Marijuana Reimbursement Claims Highlight How Pot Could Be Gold for Employers

A medical billing company may be blowing smoke, but could reimbursing patients for medical marijuana lower drug costs for employers?
By Jeremy Smerd, Workforce Management Online, July 2009
In mid-June, Rhode Island became the third state to legalize the sale of marijuana for medical use, giving momentum to advocates who believe the legalization of the drug offers a dose of sanity for the nation’s costly health care system.
Now that more states are legalizing the sale of the marijuana used solely as a medicine, the next hurdle for reformers who say the drug is more cost-effective than pharmaceuticals is getting those who pay for health care—insurers and employers—to reimburse patients for its use.
“It’s going to take an employer that says, ‘We’re not interested in marijuana as a gateway drug or any of that reefer madness. We want to talk about dollars and cents,’ ” says Allen St. Pierre, executive director of NORML (the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). “If the idea here is saving money, then there’s no question that medical marijuana should be part of the ambit of choices that doctors, patients and employers can have.”
The effort to legalize the sale of medical marijuana has focused mainly on whether the medical effectiveness of the drug justifies making it legal to obtain in plant form. The medical benefits have been most closely tied to treating weight loss, nausea, pain, inflammation, spasticity and other symptoms associated with cancer, AIDS, cerebral palsy, muscular dystrophy and arthritis.
Advocates for its legalization say its medical benefits should be made available to ease the suffering of patients. In a nod to the plant’s medicinal powers, pharmaceutical companies have produced synthetic forms of some of its active chemicals.
Less attention, though, has been focused on whether paying for patients’ medical marijuana is a cost-effective way to manage certain illnesses. Advocates argue that marijuana is an effective medicine that can also be a cost-effective alternative to pharmaceuticals.
Reimbursing patients who use it could push them away from otherwise costly drugs that some advocates say are not as effective. Employers, as payers of health care, should champion the legalization of medical marijuana as a potential cost-saving tool, advocates say.
Despite the recent legislative victories, however, even employers that want to reimburse patients who use medical marijuana cannot.
Stephen DeAngelo, chief executive of Harborside Health Center, a medical marijuana dispensary in Oakland, California, has tried to provide a medical marijuana benefit through the health plan he provides to his 67 full-time employees.
“Blue Cross Blue Shield will not reimburse for medical marijuana; we checked,” he says. “It’s illegal under federal law and they can’t do anything that will break federal law.” Instead, he provides his employees, all of whom are medical marijuana patients, with a free gram of marijuana for every shift they work, a policy he says has lowered his company’s health insurance costs. “Many of these patients had drug bills of several hundred dollars a week before they began using medical marijuana,” he says. “Now they are about $40 or $50 a week.”
A week before Rhode Island legalized the sale of medical marijuana, a medical billing company in Los Angeles said it had successfully enabled medical marijuana patients to get reimbursed by major health insurance companies.
GE Medical Billing, which is not affiliated with General Electric Corp., says it contracts with California marijuana dispensaries, where patients with “recommendations” from doctors are allowed, under state law, to purchase the cannabis plant in forms smokeable, edible and generally ingestible, then helps the dispensaries’ patients get reimbursed from insurance companies for the money they spend on marijuana.
Patients can pay dispensaries around $60 for marijuana with names like Purple Flo and Hindu Kush, or—for patients not wanting to inhale—Bomb Brownies that are the specialty of one Los Angeles dispensary called Bakedery.
Dispensaries that contract with GE Medical Billing send expense claims of customers to insurers via the billing company. The company’s medical director, a licensed obstetrician and gynecologist named Gil Mintz, says he has helped patients get reimbursed by such insurers as Aetna, Cigna, UnitedHealth, and that at least one union, the Field Ironworkers Union in Arizona, Nevada and California, uses its services.
But health insurers dispute this. They say they cannot and do not reimburse patients for drugs, including medical marijuana, that are not approved by the Food and Drug Administration. A spokesman for Cigna cited this fact when explaining that the Philadelphia health insurer has no business relationship with GE Medical Billing.
“We don’t provide reimbursement for the medical use of marijuana,” said spokesman Mark Slitt. “We don’t have a business relationship with GE Medical Billing nor did we give them permission to use our logo on their Web site.”
An Aetna spokeswoman also said the insurer does not cover medical marijuana either as a pharmacy or medical benefit.
Neither UnitedHealth nor the ironworkers union responded to several requests for comment. Cigna says it does reimburse patients for the use of a generic version of a drug, Marinol, which is a synthetic version of one of the marijuana plant’s active chemicals, tetrahydrocannabinol, more commonly known as THC.
Indeed, it appears that GE Medical Billing uses an insurance code for what appears to be a synthetic marijuana substitute called “cannarettes,” says Harborside’s DeAngelo, who asked his insurance broker to investigate GE Medical Billing’s assertions.
DeAngelo and other marijuana reform advocates say that until a federal agency says there is a use for medical cannabis, no insurance company will reimburse patients who use it.
While it is unlikely to happen anytime soon, the stance of both state and federal governments appears to be softening. Thirteen states have legalized the use of medical marijuana, and the Obama administration, in a reversal of Bush administration policy, has said it will not prosecute citizens who comply with states marijuana laws.
On June 18, Reps. Barney Frank, D-Massachusetts, and Ron Paul, R-Texas, introduced legislation that would eliminate federal penalties for the personal possession of cannabis and the not-for-profit transfer of up to one ounce of pot.
The next step, advocates say, is to study whether medical marijuana does indeed reduce health care costs.
No formal, peer-reviewed study of the cost-effectiveness of medical marijuana has been conducted, says Jeffrey Miron, an economist at Harvard University who has written about the cost of the federal prohibition against marijuana. And while $1.1 billion has been budgeted to compare the effectiveness of different treatments for the same condition, there is no plan to research the effectiveness of medical marijuana, says a spokeswoman for the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality.
One informal study on the cost-effectiveness of using marijuana for medical purposes was conducted in 2006 and published in O’Shaughnessy’s, a non-academic journal that examines how cannabis is used in doctors’ practices. In it, many doctors said the use of marijuana led their patients to cut back on more expensive pharmaceutical drugs to treat the same symptom.
Until then, politicians and voters should not be the ones to decide which drugs are safe for patients, says one opponent of medical marijuana, Robert L. DuPont, a former drug czar under Presidents Nixon and Ford and currently the president of the Institute for Behavior and Health, a drug policy group in Washington. “The idea of approving drugs through ballot initiative and legislative action is a scary precedent for any medicine,” he says, though he agrees that buying whole-leaf marijuana is probably cheaper than buying pharmaceuticals.
While studies have shown marijuana to have medical benefits, it also has potential hazards, not least of which comes from smoking. An article in May in the journal Chemical Research in Toxicology said carcinogens in marijuana made smoking three joints equal to 20 or more tobacco cigarettes.
“I don’t know when the last time you went to a doctor and he said go out and get some weeds and burn them and that’s a medicine,” DuPont says. “Because smoke is toxic.”
Advocates, who are hoping that the FDA will recognize the plant’s benefits and allow patients to get reimbursed for ingesting the drug, say the push will have to come from the people who pay for health care—not just patients, but health insurers and employers too.
“Health care costs would go down, I assure you,” says Lester Grinspoon, associate professor emeritus of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and author of Marijuana: The Forbidden Medicine.
“The argument it should be legal is not just a medical point of view, but also from a point of view that … it will be less expensive than modern pharmaceuticals are. Those are two powerful arguments for making it legal.”
Workforce Management Online, July 2009
Jeremy Smerd is a Workforce Management staff writer based in New York. E

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  1. Hey norml whats the story on norml board member Andy Hamid. I guess he was a professor for a college. Anyway i just made some cannabis tincture based on his recipe and it rocked. Does he still work for you guys? If so tell him thanks cuz his tincture cures my wifes migraines. And my boredom. Thanks Andy

  2. IF the TRUTH BE KNOWN…
    Some of our present and former
    employers would MANDATE cannabis:
    – For lower absenteeism / tardiness,
    greater workplace-productivity and
    reduced workplace-tensions…

  3. “I don’t know when the last time you went to a doctor and he said go out and get some weeds and burn them and that’s a medicine,” DuPont says. “Because smoke is toxic.”
    With so many people suffering economically, medically, and legally because of marijuana prohibition, clearly the time is right for a reasonably simple definition of marijuana. Congress must change the definition from this:
    “The term ‘marihuana’ means all parts of the plant Cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not;…”
    to this:
    “The term ‘marihuana’ means all parts – of the smoke produced by the combustion – of the plant Cannabis sativa L., period.”
    The semantics become clear with this simple definition. Cannabis (the plant, including its unburned parts and vapors) becomes unscheduled so that its uses can be legally prescribed rather than proscribed, while the public use of marijuana (the smoke) remains officially prohibited until it is removed from Schedule 1.

  4. Bullcrap, these insurance companies should get with the times. And sorry to do this to you but I got some info on an un-related/related(kinda) topic.
    http://www.examiner.com/x-14883-Santa-Cruz-County-Drug-Policy-Examiner~y2009m7d31-Alcohol-marijuana-tobacco-taxes-medicine-cannabis-and-confusion
    For those of you who are registered voters in CA. Read this article it outlines critical differences in the two legalization initiatives due to be on the Nov 2010 ballot. It does not however cover anything about A.B. 390. My opinion is if we leave it up to state legislators to get this legalization issue done, it won’t. It will take another 10-15 years to get something like A.B. 390 passed, but if the people vote on this, it can be law by the end of 2010-beginning of 2011 possibly.

  5. Some days I think this is a watered down version of hell. Where else would you have ‘Ice cream’ but not allowed to ‘Eat’ it?
    Now replace the words ‘icecream’ and ‘eat’ with words we know. Get the picture?

  6. If it potentialy fights cancer tumors or cancer period then everyone should b able to use it.Its This GOV. is assbackwards

  7. Nah,#5, cannabis needs to be legalized entirely for adult use, no matter how or for what reason.
    Regulating it similar to alcohol will get all the riffraff out of the system, no shady dealers lacing it wtih more addictive drugs, no gang violence in brining cannabis to the consumer, no minors being permitted to buy it.
    bottom line is it’s not the government’s-or my employer’s- business what I put in my body in my home on my property in my personal time. Free society doesn’t ban things because of a risk. If that were the case there’d be laws against motorcycle riding!

  8. If prohibition were lifted many new and better ways of dosing would be realized. This would solve many of the harmful side effects associated with inhaling smoke. The method that #1 uses sounds like it avoids some of these issues. If research labs were allowed to refine the plant into different compounds many new medical uses may come from that. Rescheduling the plant and lifting prohibition are key to research being done that would improve the lives of millions of people world wide. Great article NORML. Keep them coming!

  9. Time, once again,
    to SHRED arguments
    against digitate botanical-medicine…
    – Time, once again,
    to dethrone the dictaphone….
    PLEASE CONSIDER…
    Robert L. DuPont’s quotes:
    (in Workforce Management Online
    news-article)

    “…Until then,
    politicians and voters should not be the ones
    to decide which drugs are safe for patients”,

    says one opponent of medical marijuana,
    Robert L. DuPont,
    a former drug czar under Presidents Nixon and Ford
    and currently the president of the Institute for Behavior and Health,
    a drug policy group in Washington.
    RE:
    – This “sounds” valid
    EXCEPT for the fact that
    WHOLE-CANNABIS is
    NOT a “drug”;
    – It’s NOT some humanly-devised molecule,
    created in a laboratory, not occurring in nature,
    (a.k.a, Vioxx®, paracetamol, diphenhydramine…),
    NOR a modified molecular-permutation of a pre-existing compound,
    (such as HU-210, an “amplified”, synthetic THC-analog…).
    (where double-blind, peer-reviewed studies and the
    FDA approval-process IS most-necessary…),
    – It’s a naturally-occurring plant,
    which has been used safely for millennia…
    and ought to be treated as such…

    Robert L. DuPont,
    news-article quote:
    “The idea of approving drugs through
    ballot initiative and legislative action is a
    scary precedent for any medicine,”

    he says,
    RE:
    – Yes, I agree,
    for any HUMANLY-DEVISED “drugs”,
    (as I’ve previously defined above),
    – NOT for pre-existing, naturally-occurring,
    God-Given plants, used effectively
    for centuries in botanical-medicine…

    news-article quoting
    Robert L. DuPont:
    …though he agrees that
    “buying whole-leaf marijuana is
    probably cheaper than buying pharmaceuticals….”

    RE:
    Even more so,
    once the quasi-legal,
    grey-market premium
    on this plant-species is rescinded!!!

    Workforce Management Online
    news article:
    While studies have shown
    marijuana to have medical benefits,
    it also has potential hazards,
    not least of which, comes from smoking.
    RE:
    – Smoking is NOT the only means of
    administering / consuming / utilizing cannabis,
    and shouldn’t have bearing on therapeutic-validity
    of the whole botanical form,
    (just because some people chose / prefer to smoke it…).
    – Smoking was once the preferred
    self-administrative method for utilizing
    Mentha longifolia, (mint-leaves),
    as treatment for certain medical-conditions,
    but you don’t see lawmakers clamouring
    to ban, nor, maintain a ban on that plant
    because of this…!!!

    Workforce Management Online
    news article:
    An article in May in the journal
    Chemical Research in Toxicology said
    carcinogens in marijuana made smoking
    three joints equal to 20 or more tobacco cigarettes.
    “I don’t know when the last time
    you went to a doctor and he said go out and
    get some weeds and burn them and that’s a medicine,”

    DuPont says. “Because smoke is toxic.”
    RE:
    – While I agree that smoke contains
    pyrolytically-generated toxins,
    and
    that some people chose smoking
    as their preferred-form of self-administration,
    this is STILL not a valid reason for banning,
    maintaining restrictions upon,
    NOR, for dismissing
    THIS SPECIFIC WHOLE-BOTANICAL
    as MEDICINE!!!

  10. First of all…any thing DuPont has to say, should be flushed down the toilet. Having said that…the most important step to take is to…”DEFINE THE WHOLE PLANT SUBSTANCE.”
    Merinol is a legal drug, because it’s 100% THC. THC is legal. What is being said here is…”You can have the orange juice…but…you can’t touch the orange.”
    You’ve got it!…that makes about as much sense as anything else they’ve got to say. I really have to
    wonder if these eggheads believe their own shit. If so…they have no business or place being in any kind
    authoritarian position. God save us all…most of all them.
    If insurance companies WILL pay for Merinol…where’s the logic in NOT paying for the whole plant substance, especially when the other, now 79, cannabinoids are the most nutritious food known to man. It’s called hemp. See!…the logic just fails me, and I’m sure goes right over their eggheads like a rocket. Do I really want anyone with that kind of reality running
    any part of my government. I don’t know if they would do any better running a sewage plant. I’m sure they would feel more comfortable, being in their element.
    At any rate…insurance coverage is on page two, and we’re still on page one. We need to set our corner stone…that being…”DEFINITION.”

  11. 10 Fireweed
    They do have laws for motorcycle riding…you have to wear a helmet…that hot sweaty thing that keeps the
    feeling of freedom off of your face. It does keep the bugs off your teeth though…and…has saved many lives. Nevertheless…it’s just another prohibition.

  12. I just got back from a rodeo and three out of twelve were rushed out of the fairgrounds by way of ambulance. And pots illegal? Seems to me ridin a 2000 pound steer is a sight safer than smokin harmless herb.

  13. The pharmaceuticals want to turn it into a pill so they can make billions from it’s sale. No way. We want it free street legal.

  14. Isn’t Ginseng an herb and don’t we allow people to use it, unregulated, to give them energy? What about the Acai (spelling?) berry that’s supposed to be good for you? I know that the effect from Ginseng is much milder than that of cannabis, but I was just sitting here thinking of how ridiculous this all is.

  15. Why is anyone listening to robert DuPont when he’s heir to a chemical processing company and is most likely benefitting from continued prohibition?

  16. Regarding Dupont’s comment “Because smoke is toxic”: I refer all to Dr Donald Tashkin’s work( you can find it on you tube). He is the head of Pulmonary Function at UCLA Geffen Medical Center. He has been researching the effects of cannabis smoke on the lungs. Although, Dupont is technically correct and the smoke does create carcinogens, Dr Taskin’s 30 years of government sanctioned research shows unequivocably that smoking cannabis DOES NOT CAUSE CANCER, EMPHYSEMA, OR CHRONIC OBSTRUCTIVE PULMONARY DISEASE. His research shows that the only negative efffect is chronic bronchitis, inflammation of the bronchial tubes obviously from smoking. Dr Taskin and other researchers are theorizing that the cannabinoids released during smoking are so powerful that they overide the negative effects of the carcinogens in the smoke.

  17. It is wise for the re-legalization movement to ally themselves with powerful organizations (public and private sector) who stand to benefit from drug prohibition’s end.
    The more powerful our movement in conjunction with drug prohibitionists unable to sustain a single argument in favor of maintaining their policy, the sooner we will rightfully defeat the incarceration lobby that has apparently selfishly opposed unalienable Rights for decades while lying to the public to support their addiction.

  18. The fears of health repercussions from cannabis smoking are over-wrought. Virtually all the health data from large case studies by various groups over decades have shown no increase in mortality or cancers from smoking marijuana regardless of how much was used. That said, it’s nice to eliminate any possiblity of harm from the potential bad effects of smoking by using a vape or eating it in various food preparations, but the smoke is not causing big health problems for users and never has. The miniscule risks from the smoke are far, far outweighed by the benefits, whether medical or simply for personal enjoyment.

  19. we all should stop smoking marijuana……and buy vaporizers….aaahh.bad smoke…..badddd…sheesh!thanks norml for all yer doin. this is one hell of a roller coaster ride but worth every word you print.

  20. Maybe with a public option of health care reform the federal government can be forced to reschedule cannabis in deference to states where it is considered medicine. There is much scientific evidence since the CSA of the 1970s. I’m not counting on it. I suspect D.C. will use its usual tactics:
    1. Stall, stall, stall & mabye it will disappear from the newswires and the public’s radar, as in we need more research or more study on it.
    2. If it doesn’t disappear then claim that there is already an existing solution or existing laws are enough or go too far so as it is.
    3. Introduce legislation to reform the laws to accommodate the change needed, and argue about it to the point of there being several different bills so that no one bill has enough votes for it ever to become law, but politicians can still go home claiming they voted for change.
    4. If it does become law, then take the wind out of its implementation by defunding the oversight or by putting people in charge who are really against it and will hamper its success, i.e. people who are essentially in the pockets of big pharma.
    Sprinkle in the usual lies and trot out the former drug czars and doctors against it along the way. Can you say El Sohly? He’s the guy who runs the government’s marijuana program out of U. Miss. and he’s got his own company with an eye on, you guessed it, making millions off of patented medicine derived from cannabis, id est synthesized compounds from cannabis. Can you say monopoly?
    His site: http://www.elsohly.com

  21. Any Big Pharma oppressors reading this would most likely sh#t their pants. That’s funny.

  22. Blue cross Blue shield, An insurance company that will not do anything to break the law, ?. Did I miss something there Im confused.

  23. I know this was on audio stash but check this out. If this doesn’t tell you why some choose not to believe or trust in those who have sworn to protect and serve the people then you need to get your head checked. I have heard stories of this happening and have even been in this situation myself but their were no cameras to view the arrests. The cam doesn’t lie, people do. I’m not saying all cops are bad but guess what? Not all MJ consumers are bad either. You know what they say though? One bad apple ruins the whole bunch. This proves that if you are disliked by those with a position of power they will do any and everything to discredit your credibility and make you look like a criminal. Slowly but surely our rights are being turned into privileges. Time to stand up. Shoes on the other foot now, huh? How does this guy get a paid leave of absence? What message is being sent? It’s ok for the cops to break the law cause they are above it? No one is bigger than the game. The game made you. It can play you as well.
    http://www.mikecann.net/2009/08/video-of-cookville-tn-police-planting.html

  24. I can see it all now:) a world of legal cannabis where people can use it for fun and also medical. As I spent most of my day in pain today; and later when I could medicate with cannabis, I not only did not feel as much pain, but the neatest thing is that the effect also helped me to forget about being in pain.

  25. With all the garbage big pharma tries to peddle to the american populace. You’d think they would have at least a stand on the efficacy or lack their or for medical marijuana. Oh i forgot we can even have any studies or research into this drug because big pharma and his daddy big gov wants to control every aspect of our lives. In the end, i hope most americans see the
    it is the drug pushers, “BIG PHARMA” and their “legal” drugs that cause the deaths in this country. Stop trying to push and criminilize a segment of this country. We do not live in nazi germany. Yet we do. Yet we do. man so fucked up beyond believe. STOP THE PERSECUTION MOTHER FUCKER!

  26. One of my medications costs $5000 a month! That’s a LOT of pot! Between that drug and all the others I’m on letting me smoke pot and having BC/BS pay for it would save them and my employer tons of month every month!

  27. More propoganda to shore up the fake front of “medical marijuana” and keep buyers paying those black market prices for something that would hardly be worth anything if it were legal.
    http://cocktails.about.com/od/history/a/prohibition_2.htm
    “….
    Another interesting provision to prohibition was that alcohol was available via a physician’s prescription. For centuries liquor had been used for medicinal purposes, in fact many of the liqueurs we know today were first developed as miracle cures for various ailments. Despite the fact that in 1916 whiskey and brandy were removed from The Pharmacopeia of the United States of America and in 1917 the American Medical Association stated that alcohol “…use in therapeutics as a tonic or stimulant or for food has no scientific value…” and voted in support of prohibition, there was still a belief in liquor’s medicinal benefits among many.
    Because of this established belief that liquor could cure and prevent a variety of ailments, doctors were still able to prescribe liquor to patients on a specially designed government prescription form that could be filled at any pharmacy. When medicinal whiskey stocks were low the government would increase its production. A significant amount of the prescription alcohol supplies were diverted from their intended destinations by bootleggers and corrupt individuals during prohibition.
    ….”
    Some people continute to be under the thumb of law enforcement because of cannabis, while others sit around hoping somebody else will pay for their pot because they have a license to get high. The War on Drugs is something engineered by the rats of organized crime to keep them rich.
    Nobody is fooled. Legalization or nothing.

  28. i can see it getting to the stage where the lobby splinters, like greenpeace and seas sheaphard etc
    WE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH THIS MUCH LONGER
    i can see people getting millitant, attacking the big pharmas and idiots like Dupont, at the end of the day they are stealing from humanity so they must pay for their crimes
    [Russ responds: We don’t need to be “militant” or “attack” anyone in a physical sense. With letters, lawsuits, and protests, sure!]

  29. FACTS:
    Judges have been accused of taking bribes to insure for profit jails stay full.
    Millions are paid under the table to ensure stiff sentences with jail time to insure corporate profits. It is called slavery where I come from. Wonder how much it cost to get the federal mandatory minimum sentence put in place? Grow one plant 5 years in jail and it is almost guaranteed you will do the five years..
    Our representatives continue to take money and vote to jail us. Rather than help us.
    They sell their vote and sacrifice millions to slavery to ensure they receive millions in contributions. We must stop the selling of our representation to the highest bidder.
    Cops are caught planting drugs.
    You have done nothing and are stopped for DWB if you don’t kiss the cops ass they will plant drugs on you.
    Plus is you know any cops they all have a quota systems. They are expected cover their cost by the fines and arrest they make to feed the system (system=jailers, cops, judges, jails, bailiff, jail food suppliers, inmate transportation, lawyers or any of the thousands that make their living supporting this war on drugs)
    Legal drugs kill hundreds of thousands every year yet remain legal.
    A herb that has never killed anyone based on written history for thousands of years of use is illegal.
    The war on drugs was started mainly for racist reasons. It was viewed as a way to re-enslave the people of color. It is still working as designed today..
    The secondary reason is greed. They did not want hemp to compete with oil and tree farming. So they made it illegal as well although you can’t get a high from it. It would replace oil and tree farming if our leaders stopped taking bribes to keep it illegal.
    The legal drug pushers liquor, beer, chemical drugs, cigarettes. Pay big bucks to keep cannabis illegal. They would lose too much money and could not competed with cannabis, any one can grow in their flower garden. hundreds of billions would be lost to these corporations every year so they pay to ensure the only choice we have is their products….
    I could do this for days more later
    Cherokee Fred Jesus

  30. i know this is a little off topic but come April 20 most people don’t want to wear a pot symbol out in public but that’s what we need im trying to get the pot community to wear green because most people have a boss,friend ,family that wouldn’t understand so this made the most sense. that way the anti smokers can’t screw with the guy wearing a pot leaf but know this is a issue that has spread like a wild fire and can’t be contained. im trying to blog every site that will listen and i hope it gets out there so tell a friend and norml please pick up the idea there is plenty of time to tell the community it is a cheap way to get the message out, that its time for change.

  31. #36 proud pothead jared w Says:
    August 4th, 2009 at 12:11 am
    …get the pot community to wear green
    i know this is a little off topic but
    come April 20 most people don’t
    want to wear a pot symbol out in public…
    RE:
    Superb idea,
    proud pothead jared w!
    – Could this augment,
    Saint Patrick’s Day?
    (Since they’re only a month away).
    – The heptate digitate palmate
    follows the four-leaf clover
    by 32 days.

  32. I loved when he said this “that he provides his employees, all of whom are medical marijuana patients, with a free gram of marijuana for every shift they work, a policy he says has lowered his company’s health insurance costs.” Damn I wish they had that at my part time job. That would have been awosome! LOL.
    My people we have got to start buying NORML’s, MPP, and all the other people that represents for the movement of freedom shirts and put them on. We have to make it look normal. The more we wear it, the more people are going to wear it. I do and I cant wait for my other shirt that is coming by mail. So EVERYBODY when u going out to buy some clothes….say shirts? why dont you buy one from here or the othe other ones that have this shirts avaliable. Im telling you man people are gonna be wondering and they gonna be curious and they gonna wanna ask where u get that from you know, and there you have the power to inform them about the movement and the organization. come on lets step up a notch. Lets make this the shit. And the more people are expose to this the more they are gonna see the truth!

  33. #18 LOS Says:
    August 2nd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
    Why is anyone listening to robert DuPont
    when he’s heir to a chemical processing company
    and is most likely benefitting from continued prohibition?
    RE: LOS,
    People buy-into the things
    Robert Dupont has to say BECAUSE:
    1) The things he says,
    SOUND and APPEAR SOMEWHAT-valid
    and plausible on the surface…
    but are actually lies and truth intermingled,
    usually truthful-reasoning for one instance
    that is not valid when applied towards
    something else / a different instance…
    2) People, the general-population, for the most part,
    are unaware of the full-history and greed-based
    ulterior-motive(s) behind cannabis-prohibition,
    (and the war on SOME drugs, in general),
    even though it was enacted with apparent and
    PURPORTED “good-intentions”.

  34. we’ve got them now. they admit that cannabis has beneficial effects on humanity.
    no f-ing way am i going to purchase a pharmaceutical Marinol @ three times the price of an equal dose of indica or sativa depending on the mood.
    especially considering i can grow my own cannabis at a fraction of the cost of the dispensaries.
    BULL$HIT.
    END THE LIES.
    END THE PROHIBITION ON CANNABIS AND HEMP
    THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAS. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

  35. your post needs to be repeated Fireweed!
    # Fireweed Says:
    August 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 am
    Nah,#5, cannabis needs to be legalized entirely for adult use, no matter how or for what reason.
    Regulating it similar to alcohol will get all the riffraff out of the system, no shady dealers lacing it wtih more addictive drugs, no gang violence in brining cannabis to the consumer, no minors being permitted to buy it.
    bottom line is it’s not the government’s-or my employer’s- business what I put in my body in my home on my property in my personal time. Free society doesn’t ban things because of a risk. If that were the case there’d be laws against motorcycle riding!

  36. what if we wore green the first friday of EVERY MONTH
    # proud pothead jared w Says:
    August 4th, 2009 at 12:11 am
    i know this is a little off topic but come April 20 most people don’t want to wear a pot symbol out in public but that’s what we need im trying to get the pot community to wear green because most people have a boss,friend ,family that wouldn’t understand so this made the most sense. that way the anti smokers can’t screw with the guy wearing a pot leaf but know this is a issue that has spread like a wild fire and can’t be contained. im trying to blog every site that will listen and i hope it gets out there so tell a friend and norml please pick up the idea there is plenty of time to tell the community it is a cheap way to get the message out, that its time for change.

  37. #42 jeff newman Says:
    August 5th, 2009 at 4:02 am
    “what if we wore green
    the first friday of EVERY MONTH…”
    RE: Yes.
    – Beginning with…
    Friday 7- August – 2009
    (less than 48 hours from now…).

    Certainly better than WAITING 8½ months!!!
    😐 🙂 😀

  38. 42 Jeff Newman/43 Neurogenesis1;29
    Can I add my 2 cents to say…what do you think we call the purpose “THE GREEN DOOR” and wear a plain kelly green polo shirt all the time to state the cause? Just another thought. “GET BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR.”

  39. 42 Jeff/43 Nerogenesis P.S to 44
    You may or may not know that I keep haranguing about “PHYSICAL PRESENCE.” “PHYSICAL SIGHT/VISUALISM” could be just as effective to get the point across. Point: If every time you looked up and saw a green polo shirt…wouldn’t you be curious to ask…”What’s with all these green shirts?” It may prove to be “QUASI PHYSICAL PRESENCE” and equally as effective as standing on the Capitol’s steps. After all…the Happy Face T-shirt, and the Have a Nice Day bumper sticker made a little impact. How about “Green Door Shirt Company Label.” Maybe it’s my idea…but…the world can have it.

  40. #47 Rebel with a cause Says:
    August 8th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    42 Jeff/43 Neurogenesis pps to 44
    Did I say Kelly Green…I meant Hunter Green.
    RE: Rebel,
    Fortunately,
    I have one of each…

  41. 48 Neurogenesis
    O.K. then…I’ve got my Hunter Green polo shirt on right now, and are damned proud to wear it. I only wish that I had a Green Door label on it to distinguish it from other green shirts. Oh well…green is green, and it means what it means.
    I hope everyone…”GETS BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR.” Isn’t there a song about the Green Door? Where am I getting this thought from? Was there a Green Door Tavern that
    liberty fighters met at? Help me out here.??????????

  42. #49 Rebel with a cause Says:
    August 9th, 2009 at 9:00 am
    “…Isn’t there a song about the Green Door? Where am I getting this thought from? Was there a Green Door Tavern that
    liberty fighters met at? Help me out here.??????????”
    RE: Rebel, Wouldn’t California’s
    medi-cann fall under,
    (but not exactly),
    the description “Green Door”,
    as noted in the song?
    (Having to “qualify” to be
    permitted entry through…).

    Green Door (lyrics)

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