Does the Marijuana Pill Work?

This informative article from CBS News about the government’s claim that there is no need for medical patients to access cannabis, when there is a ‘fake’ cannabis pill on the market, features remarks from NORML advisory board member, professor and author

Mitch Earleywine, and former deputy drug czar under Bush 1.0 Herb Kleber, which strongly underlines the differences between credible and not credible on the topic of cannabis.
Credible:

[One] problem with Marinol is that it’s orally administered,” Dr. Mitch Earleywine, an associate professor of Clinical Psychology at the State University of New York at Albany, said in an email. “Therefore, it takes longer to work than cannabis inhaled from a vaporizer. (Usually 90 minutes at best rather than 15 seconds – a meaningful amount of time to the nauseated.)”
“It’s harder to control dosage, too, so folks end up discombobulated or without symptom relief,” he added. “In addition, folks who are vomiting can’t hold down the pills.” Earleywine also said that a dose Marinol costs three to five times as much as a comparable dose of medical marijuana.

Not Credible:

“Are there actions in the whole plant that you don’t get from just the Marinol? I would be surprised if there wasn’t,” he continued. “The problem is that most of the data about the potential medical actions of the smoked form are anecdotal.”
Dr. Kleber, who said he has prescribed Marinol to a patient and found it to be effective, points to what he characterizes as a significant advantage of the pill over traditional marijuana: “People don’t abuse it.”
“Marijuana addiction is becoming common and as a result I’m seeing an increasing number of people who have trouble stopping marijuana,” he said. “Contrary to popular beliefs that there is no marijuana withdrawal, there is marijuana withdrawal. It’s very clear cut.”

Talk about anecdotal! Dr. Kleber would have readers believe, that cannabis today, as compared to the prior 2,000 years of documented cannabis use by humans is that “Marijuana addiction is becoming common”.
Really?
“I’m seeing an increasing number of people who have trouble stopping marijuana”
Of course you are Herb because as it has been well documented by NORML that the criminal justice system throughout most of the United States presents minor cannabis offenders with the Hobson’s Choice of either going to jail or to visit the offices of the ‘Dr. Klebers’ in America for ‘treatment’.
Dr. Kleber well knows this, so his statement is for me the working definition of disingenuous!
Lastly, there is nothing new about Marinol as it has been legal and available for medical patients since the mid 1980s. If the pill worked as Dr. Kleber claims, voters and legislators in the 13 states with medical cannabis laws would not have opted for a whole plant solution.
Marinol was supposed to be the government’s great ‘silver bullet’ back in the mid 1980s to end the public debate about patients’ need for whole-smoked cannabis–an analog of one of the plant’s major ingredients isolated in pill form.
Want to know more about ‘pot’ pills vs. the real thing? Checkout NORML’s published paper ‘Marinol vs. Natural Cannabis‘.
Does the Pot Pill Work?
The Government Says a Pill Called Marinol Offers the Same Benefits as
Medical Marijuana. Is it True?
By Brian Montopoli
August 4, 2009
(CBS) “Medical marijuana,” the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration says, “already exists.”
They don’t just mean in California. A pill known as Marinol has been legal and approved by the Food and Drug Administration for use with a prescription anywhere in America since 1985.
It’s active ingredient? Dronabinol, better known as THC, the primary psychoactive element of the cannabis plant.
“Marinol provides standardized THC concentrations, does not contain the other 400 uncharacterized substances found in smoked marijuana, such as carcinogens or fungal spores, and is not associated with the quick high of smoked marijuana,” said Neil Hirsch, a spokesman for Marinol manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals.
But Marinol is not the same thing as traditional, smokable marijuana. It is a less complex substance lacking both some of the good components found in traditional marijuana (such as cannabidiol, which has been found to have anti-seizure effects) and the bad or not-yet-fully-understood components (among them potential carcinogens) that can also come with the drug.
Ken Trainer, a 60-year-old Massachusetts resident who has battled Multiple Sclerosis for 25 years, said he has long been smoking marijuana to deal with the regular tremors he gets in his arms and legs.
“If I smoke a joint, the tremors go away most times before the joint is gone,” he said. “It makes my life a little easier.” Marinol, by contrast, “didn’t really do much of anything for me,” he said.
56-year-old Des Moines resident Jeff Elton, who was diagnosed with gastroparesis six years ago, had a similar experience when he was prescribed Marinol to deal with his chronic nausea and vomiting.
“I felt no relief, I didn’t feel ill, I felt nothing,” he said. “It might as well be M&M’s.”
Elton said he switched to marijuana, which he smokes through a vaporizer – a device that heats the active ingredients into a vapor instead of burning them. He said it allows him to keep down his food and regain some of the weight he lost while on Marinol.
“[One] problem with Marinol is that it’s orally administered,” Dr. Mitch Earleywine, an associate professor of Clinical Psychology at the State University of New York at Albany, said in an email. “Therefore, it takes longer to work than cannabis inhaled from a vaporizer. (Usually 90
minutes at best rather than 15 seconds – a meaningful amount of time to the nauseated.)”
“It’s harder to control dosage, too, so folks end up discombobulated or without symptom relief,” he added. “In addition, folks who are vomiting can’t hold down the pills.” Earleywine also said that a dose Marinol costs three to five times as much as a comparable dose of medical marijuana.
Defenders note that Marinol is not meant to be a cure-all: It has been approved specifically for treating nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy and for treating anorexia associated with weight loss in patients with AIDS.
“When the whole push for the smoked product came along, it was often for those two indications,” said Dr. Herbert Kleber, a professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University and the former deputy drug czar under President George H.W. Bush. “And in general, I’ve not seen any need for the smoked form of marijuana for those two indications. Marinol had already been shown to be quite effective for those two things.”
“Are there actions in the whole plant that you don’t get from just the Marinol? I would be surprised if there wasn’t,” he continued. “The problem is that most of the data about the potential medical actions of the smoked form are anecdotal.”
Research into the effects of medical marijuana is ongoing: The University of California, San Diego, for example, boasts a Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research engaged in “focused controlled clinical trials on the efficacy of cannabis in patients diagnosed with HIV/AIDS,
cancer, seizures or muscle spasms associated with a chronic debilitating condition, or any other serious condition providing sufficient theoretical justification.” (The director of the UCSD program, Dr. Igor Grant, was out of the country and could not be reached for this story.)
The Los Angeles Times, which offers a nice overview of the current research, writes that “a growing body of research supports [medical marijuana’s] medical usage, but some of it is cautionary.” Marijuana has been found to be effective in counteracting severe pain, nausea and loss of appetite, though questions remain about the drawbacks, among them possible respiratory damage and increased cancer risk.
Dr. Kleber, who said he has prescribed Marinol to a patient and found it to be effective, points to what he characterizes as a significant advantage of the pill over traditional marijuana: “People don’t abuse it.”
“Marijuana addiction is becoming common and as a result I’m seeing an increasing number of people who have trouble stopping marijuana,” he said. “Contrary to popular beliefs that there is no marijuana withdrawal, there is marijuana withdrawal. It’s very clear cut.”
The calculus, then, isn’t quite as simple as the Drug Enforcement Administration suggests: Marinol and medical marijuana may share an active ingredient, but they offer somewhat different benefits and different drawbacks. Proponents of medicinal marijuana say it’s disingenuous to hold up Marinol as a direct alternative to the more traditional form of the plant.
“I just don’t understand how they won’t let me smoke a joint, but they’re more than happy to write me out prescriptions for anything that I want,” Trainer said.

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  1. Many millions of people understand how to self-dose with smoked cannabis or vaporized cannabis. When ingested in pill form as Marinol or as cannabis in the form of brownies or space cake, it certainly does take about 90 minutes to set on, and you have to use more of it for it to be effective. For example, if one ingested the amount one normally would vaporize or smoke and waited 90 minutes, you probably wouldn’t notice anything at all. The effective ingredients are spread through the entire body and do not reach the blood stream via inhalation. How much more one needs to ingest, I’d estimate, is about 5 times as much. I have this friend, ahem, if you know what I mean, who would normally put a nice sized bud in a joint or bowl and smoke about half of it for the desired effect. This friend, ahem, who didn’t want to smoke it couldn’t afford a decent vaporizer so decided to ingest it, so this friend, ahem, experimented, and with some good Aurora Indica from Nirvana Seeds in the Netherlands simply had to swallow 4 or 5 nice sized buds to feel anything. Indeed, it took about 90 minutes for the whole body buzz to come on, and it came on strong–too strong and lasted too long. While in Amsterdam, not wanting to break any U.S. laws of course, ahem, this friend, ahem, also tried space cake, and the same thing happened. Also, this friend, ahem, finally managed to get a vaporizer, then tried vaporizing Marinol, only to be sorely disappointed. It just took too long for it to take effect when she ingested it, and it was too difficult for her to decide how much to ingest. Goldilocks had too much trouble figuring out how much was too little, how much was too much, and how much was just right.
    Also, this friend partook of the sacred herb a few times a week to relax instead of using alcohol to relax, and when got layed off partook a few times a day, not every day, but often enough during the week, for several months, then figuring it would take 30 days for the metabolytes to clear out of this friend’s system just up and stopped with no withdrawal effects whatsoever. Nothing physical, nothing psychological, although some people can associate getting buzzed with certain areas or foods or sounds or images, which in the trade they refer to as a mild psychological attachment or addiction.
    The story is true, it’s just that the name and gender of the person has been avoided and purposely kept vague because prohibitionists, law enforcement and narcs also visit this site. One of them said one time that they wanted to see the truth set you free from jail, he knew the truth about cannabis but didn’t care as he was only interested in furthering his career. And, he considered himself a good Christian, too.
    Alas, all of us in the know realize the only reason cannabis is illegal is because of the racial reasons that have been documented as to why it was made illegal in the first place, as well as the fact that big pharma can’t patent something you can grow for yourself.
    It’s all about command and control in order for the controllers and their sycophants to enrich themselves.
    The powerful never have enough power.
    The rich never have enough money.

  2. Here we go again how many timeS are we going to get off the subject. Only to be lead down another confusing issue. Is it stronger, is it addictive, does it have medical value, can it be taxed, can it be regulated more and more bull shit.
    Its all about personal freedom and our rights as Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I SHOULD HAVE FREE CHOICE!! IF I BREAK NO GOOD LAWS OR BOTHER NO ONE THEN LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
    QUIT GROWING A CORPORATE SYSTEM THAT FEEDS ON OUR CHILDREN. AND COMPANIES THAT EQUATE THEIR PROFITS TO HOW MANY FREE AMERICANS IT HAS LOCKED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    EASY AIN’T IT????????????????????????????????????????
    CFJ

  3. YEA PEOPLE LIKE CANNABIS IT WORKS FOR THEM SO LET THEM HAVE IT!!!
    THE REST IS BULL SHIT…
    I LIKE A HOT BATH. I TAKE ONE ALMOST EVER NIGHT DOES THAT MEAN I AM ADDICTED TO HOT WATER??? HOW STUPID IS THIS ARGUMENT. I ALSO LIKE TO DO A PIN JOINT WHILE TAKING A BATH. IN MY HOUSE, IN MY TUB, ON MY LAND, BUT CANNOT BECAUSE I AM TOO OLD TO BE THROWN IN JAIL FOR CANNABIS USE…
    CFJ

  4. When my mother died of cancer she had marinol it did not help cannabis did I tried the pill and I see why people would rather use cannabis.

  5. “I just don’t understand how they won’t let me smoke a joint, but they’re more than happy to write me out prescriptions for anything that I want,” Trainer said.
    You answered your own question. . . they won’t let you smoke a joint because their politically-connected friends in the Pharmaceuticals industry can’t patent and price-gouge if you choose Nature over Synthetics. . .
    Even if the prescription drugs kill you, they still have your money. . .
    As I understand it, the 400-odd alkaloid processes in Cannabis work together. . . Alkaloid A might reduce nausea but cause ‘loose stool.’ Alkaloid B cancels it while causing uncontrollable urination. . . Alkaloid C cancels the urination problem but makes you spew blood from every orifice. . . Alkaloid D cancels that but makes you narcoleptic, etc. . . and without the entire collection of chemicals present, none of the others work right. . .
    (not saying these are real ‘side-effects, just using them as an example of why ‘whole-plant’ Cannabis is better than the synthetic)
    I was taught (back when schools actually did that) that any unConstitutional law is automatically null and void, and that violating said laws were not only the Right but the Duty of all Americans. . .
    what happened to our courage to do so?


  6. – The problem with Marinol is that it does not contain
    ALL beneficial-compounds found in the plant,
    just ONE deemed to be “the active-ingredient”
    (To the EXCLUSION of the REST of the ACTIVE-INGREDIENTS).
    THE ORANGE-JUICE ANALOGY:

    Rebel with a cause HAS said before:
    ”You can have the orange juice…
    but…you can’t touch the orange.”

    HOWEVER…
    – Marinol® is not even the “orange-juice”,
    it’s just the “ascorbic-acid” / “synthetic vitamin C”,
    MINUS the bioflavinoids, carbohydrates, B1 and potassium…
    (Whole “orange-juice” is seen by some as the gateway to
    “mixed-drinks” and vodka-abuse / “screwdrivers”
    therefore, not allowed …
    BESIDES, orange-peels contain mold-spores…EEK!!!).
    – Sativex® is the “orange-juice-concentrate”,
    only legal in some other countries at present…
    (However, I’ve heard that taste-tests of the
    orange juice concentrate are underway here…).
    – For those of who know
    the Truth About Citrus,
    orange juice is still superior to
    isolated, synthetic, ascorbic-acid…
    as well as frozen-concentrate…

  7. It’s obvious why marinol is legal… pharmaceutical companies make money on it. Big name pharm companies aren’t making any money off of dispensaries. If there was a way to get these companies on board with the herb then it would be legal within a decade

  8. Marijuana
    Is a benign substance that when used
    Results in
    Inteligent thinking, and debate
    Not
    Obvious
    Lies, like synthetic pills.

  9. Marijuana
    Is a benign substance that when used
    Results in
    Inteligent thinking, and debate
    Not
    Obvious
    Lies, unlike synthetic pills.
    Mods, please edit previous post and use this one in its place.

  10. I will have too say in regaurd as a bi polar patient Marinol does not work. I recently got ahold of a supply from a freinds deceased moms perscription for cancer. I have taken the recomended dose for about 2 weeks. Not a damn thing, i also have chronic back pain from warehousing, not even one bit of gleem for pain. I then started taking more than the recomended dose. still not a damn thing. If you ask me Marinol is bull- s&@!. I’ts just another way for the government to keep the dea employed. and the only way too bank off of sick dying people!

  11. It’s active ingredient? Dronabinol, better known as THC, the primary psychoactive element of the cannabis plant…… um, no.
    THC= TetraHydroCannabinol. Nice and natural
    Dronabinol=Chemically synthesized crap from pharmaceutical companies that put out inadequately researched drugs like vioxx, which kill people

  12. yah, the pill does not work at all, some ppl i know use it, nd they say it does not work for em as smoked canabis does. I beleave that our goverment nd pharmcy is trying to make people pop more pills then other treatments out there.

  13. This is still about two issues: 1) Government controll of what we do withour bodies I.e. Freedom.
    2) It about making money.
    If marinol is just the same as med cannabis then why not let people grow their own? Oh Ya , no money for governmet and Pharm companies.
    Same ol’ twist the subject to their advantge,same ol’ hypocrasy our leaders have always run US by.
    I welcome the day when our leaders are held accountable for thier hypocracy and injustices. I welcome the day the laws we live by catch up to them as well.

  14. “And in general, I’ve not seen any need for the smoked form of marijuana for those two indications. Marinol had already been shown to be quite effective for [chemo and aids patients] those two things.”
    So we shouldn’t even study the natural alternative because Marinol is doing an o.k. job?
    I feel like that would piss a lot of people off.

  15. I believe that as an avid cannabis user the marijuana pill known as Marinol is nothing more than an attempt to control and contain the use of Herb. For years marijuana has provided the earth’s inhabitants with physical and mental pain relief by containing nothing more than the earth’s riches. Now as the United States grows nearer towards the goal of national decriminalization and possibly(hopefully) legalization, our government has taken a predictable path by cooking up false accusations and claims that deal with the artificial pill being suffice. Although I cannot possibly argue with the effects that the pill may have on the public (mainly becuase I have not tried it first hand) I do feel it is my responsibility as a user and supporter to express my feelings towards the subject of Marinol when compared to Marijuana. The point that Kleber and supporters of Marinol have made are obviously false. Marijuana is a product of nature and our environment. Where as Marinol should be considered a drug instead of marijuana. Marinol, to my knowledge is a man made “drug” concocted in the attempt to stop the fowrard process that canabis has recently been making, it is said to have all the pleasurable effects of marijuana and is ingested orally rather than inhaled like marijuana. If the goverment is able to support a labratory drug which is suppose to have all the same effects as canabis (excluding all the positive economical effects it would have if legalized), why is it so difficult to support a plant which will aid your citizens in pain relief and which is faster acting and not chemically engineered. Although the pill is an abomination within the marijuana community I believe that it shows that our strides towards decriminalization are not going unnoticed and are moving in a more positive direction, hell years ago the government would have just claiming that marijuana is awful rather than suggest that a pill is better.
    Light Trees like everyday was Christmas…
    Steven Rhys Foster

  16. Hey friends, I don’t know how many of you play online poker, but if you do, there are chat boxes where you can talk about anything. I talk about cannabis extensively and you would be amazed at how mamy Europeans are appalled at our drug policy.
    If you play poker on line, USE THE CHAT BOX to help get our message across!!!

  17. Well sure ,if cannabis were to become re- legalized ,where,s the need for their marinol? I love the smooooooooooth flaver of great tasting smoked erb ! ummmmmmhh !!! Nuttn Finer! I have the right to choose ! I choose LIFE w/MJ ! Avoid Big Pharmas Poison ! Fight on PPLs ! We gots momentum !

  18. There’s not a z of truth to Kebler’s findings. I think he’s dropping too many of his own pills. What is “CLEAR CUT” is Kebler is working for the prohbs and not for medicine…something like…when he is operating on you…you discover that he’s on the mortician’s payroll. See…he has a motive for his madness…his program is money in his pocket. We need to rid ourselves of these kinds of doctors, if you want to call them doctors, as much as we need to get rid of congressional clunkers. The Medical Board of Quality Assurance should be taking a hard look at this medical profiteer. I’ve seen a hunred of these guys performing unnecessary procedues.
    People won’t stop using the whole plant material…
    because…they simply don’t want to stop. That’s not addiction…that’s choice/preference.
    While I’m on this roll…let me say this.
    Every time a pot-phobic prohib hears the word… marijuana…they see a hangman’s noose. It truly is a phobia; an irrational, excessive, and persistant fear. This problem would be best handled in a psychiatrist’s office, not in the laws of this nation
    …and…especially not in the hands of those inflicted with this phobic condition.

  19. They are fools to keep on trying to find weak arguments towards keeping Marijuana illegal. I mean honestly, the argument stating addiction is going up is pathetic. Alcohol is far more addicting than pot, so what’s your point? Alcohol addiction is going up at an even higher rate and ruins more lives. Alcohol impairs people to the point in where they can barely drive, pot does not. Pot doesn’t ruin lives, only the scumbag feds that arrest the people for it giving the person a bad record for something that’s not even as bad as they make it sound.

  20. It scares the government to death that people might do something without the gov’s A-ok. All i’m asking for is to grow a few plants for my own personal use in my home. I don’t want to be a kingpin, i’m not looking to give/sell weed to high school kids. i just want to relax with a joint at the end of a long work day. Why is this so bad?
    Land of the free my ass. land of the pharmaceutical companies with their lobbyists up Washingtons ass. Mr. puppet.. err president, please live up to your promises

  21. This is just more government propaganda .I’ll just stick with the real thing.let them take their own damn pills.what right do they have telling us what we can and cant consume ? well good luck with that,but don’t count on my cooperation .

  22. MARINOL is legally prescribed and approved by the FDA if that means anything to anyone out there. Always pushing towards the BIG PHARM MENTALITY that they are always right and were are not supposed to know shit about their products they produce for the masses. It seems like that the doctor is always right and the customers are always wrong. The reality of the situation is that there are a doctors out there that do’nt take BIG PHARM DRUGS that they prescribe. NATURAL VERSUS SYNTHETIC and the WAR OF THE DRUGS goes on. THE BIG GREEN FOOT PRINT is gaining speed and MARIJUANA PROHIBITION will be stomped out in the near future.

  23. Let’s see the Marinol is produced by a big drug company and is therefore a good drug and the whole plant treatment is bad for what reason? Oh yea it can be grown by anyone anywhere and the big drug company wont make any money off of it. I guess that’s it in a nut shell. I have a close personal friend that has given marinol to patients and has told me it had little or no effect on the old people she gave it to. It was supposed to increase their appetite and help with nausea. She reports that it did neither.

  24. Why does Marinol work and not smoked marijuana? Simple: you can make a lot more profit off of a pill you need to get from a pharmacy than a plant you can grow yourself.
    Marinol is a schedule III drug while marijuana is a schedule I drug. It would be the same as making cocaine a schedule III drug and coca leaves a schedule I drug.
    They make no sense. Common sense won’t work on these greedy bastards. And since politicians won’t listen (possibly because big pharma is giving them a cut) I think a violent revolution is overdue.
    /rant

  25. My sister just died from PNET euwing sarcoma, (A form of cancer) and I can testify to the fact that marinol does not work better than smoked or vaporized cannabis.
    Her DR’s perscribed her hundreds of the marinol pills and she did not take many at all. She had to have the plant form so she could ease her pain and sickness. I believe its sad that cannabis is illegal because of the many people that are in need. I sit here and think of the pain and suffering I watched her go through for 2 years, and all the others that are going through similar situations. It hurts. America needs to wake up and understand that these corrupt marijuana laws are effecting peoples well being. And take a stand for CANNABIS!

  26. Haha, I like how they have “maybe habit forming”. “Maybe”, lol has there been no research at all since ’85?

  27. Dr. Kleber? Is greed, money, fear or incompetence?
    In the future such people will be called no DR but fraudsters)))

  28. Yet another goverment drug that most likely will have side-effect and the people will end up taking and then getting put on something else….but yet regardless to the people on the marijuana wannabe are still going to hit up the vaporizer on there regular bases….so let legalize it so no more jail time and no more inacent people getting screwed over….
    Thanks
    Chris Campbell

  29. I’m sorry but I do not want a pill. I’d like to try the spray Sativax. But all in all, I prefer to grow my own, organically, the way it should be. No matter who you are, you can regulate your own medicinal schedule, I simply keep usage charts for monitoring etc. I take no pills. Amazed the types of drugs the Federal Government has approved and has killed. Just let it go, stop fighting. I am willing to pay taxes on Cannabis, that is fair in my book. If you’d stop putting people away the economy would improve drastically, supply and demand, it will help everyone. Peace.

  30. we’ve got them now. they admit that cannabis has beneficial effects on humanity.
    no f-ing way am i going to purchase a pharmaceutical Marinol @ three times the price of an equal dose of indica or sativa depending on the mood.
    especially considering i can grow my own cannabis at a fraction of the cost of the dispensaries.
    BULL$HIT.
    END THE LIES.
    END THE PROHIBITION ON CANNABIS AND HEMP
    THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAS. MAKE IT HAPPEN!

  31. Man I love you people(not in that way!). You all see it so clearly, Its freedom they fear. They try to confuse everyone. Not just on this issue , but every issue. Just as they do with the “do it now , sign it now ,cant wait , must act now before its too late!” Bills they have today. Its all illusion and shell games to get what they want. The time is coming friends. Pres. Obama likes his apology tour so well, maybe he should start with the American people instead of foriegn dictators. Apoligise for the waste our time(e.i. our tax dollars, thats what it is..TAX=OUR LIFE OUR TIME) and past transgrestions by the government to the people. WHERE IS OUR APOLIGY?

  32. #25 Ed:
    Take it easy with that violent revolution talk. I understand you,as everyone , wants to change the way our leaders do things, but violence would seriously cause damage to the change you are looking for. It could cause enough damage that the change we all want would NEVER happen. Think about it, thats what they want, discredit the cause , call us all drug crazy nut jobs that need to be put down. No my friend, thats not the way. Let them be violent , let them dicredit themselves. You know the ol’ saying? Give an idiot enough rope, he’ll hang him self. Dont be that guy.Let them hang them selves(as they are).

  33. NO CAN DO!
    Just where is it…in my soul…which I share with “L”…that says…NO CAN DO! Where do I…draw the line…and say…NO CAN DO! When do I…protect my soul…with my life…and say…NO CAN DO! I say…I can no longer suffer…because of…this unjust law…NO CAN DO! I reject…your unjust law…and will suffer…the consequences.
    It’s entirely up yo me…and I tell you…moral idiologues…NO CAN DO! I demand…ownership of my own life…and I’m going to have and hold that. I tell you…I reject your noose…and its restrictions…of my freedoms. I can no longer…be a victim…of political injustice. I can no longer…be riddled with…the absurdities of injustice…NO CAN DO!
    If you are a prohiitionists…you are an affliction. “L” made you that way…for reasons known only to him.

  34. Id be interested in knowing the exact ingredients in marinol ! is there anything else in that crap we should be aware of ! anything habit forming ? anything unsafe ? INQUIRING MINDS want to know !

  35. Marinol doesn’t work like the whole plant does, experience speaks for its self.
    And … eventually all Liars get caught, the Prohibitionist Liars will get caught and hopefully it will be a 10.0 earthquake type of caught.

  36. Fuck the gov. Im smokin till its too hard to hide then im movin to canada. Especially once the re-education camps open. They only lettin us think we are makin progress toward legalization so that we are that much more devastated when they increase the penalty for pot.

  37. I just thought of something. Cannabis is a schedule 1 narcotic, right? That means the gov say’s it has no medical value. Well in that case they’ve blown their case by making marinol legal. If it’s same as ganja then it can’t be a scedule 1 and cannabis must be reduced to sch 2. This is what it’s all about folks, at least with the government. So if it’s not THC that’s keeping it sch 1, what, fibers? Constitutional lawyers should look into this angle.

  38. Look i never tried Marinol yet, but I have tried the vaporizer. And I got to say on my opinion I rather use a bong or a blunt anytime before I use a vaporizer because it does not work for everybody. I spent about 150 on this vaporizer and believe me I tried it and I think it was a lil bit of hassle. I mean had to be careful on how you are putting the lil thing inside the machine and sometimes it gets really hot and u got to be careful, but on top of that Is not hitting me. I did not feel high! So now im stuck with a $150 vaporizer that I dont use and Im short on money. Any takers? lol

  39. My brother died of HIV/AIDS a few years back. There was a drought around here a couple of years before he died, and we could not find any weed. His doctor prescribed some marinol, which my brother said was pretty much worthless, as far as he was concerned. Of course, he was on about two-dozen other meds, too…so…
    Well, he got to wondering if he could take the Marinol and try to smoke it. We took some of the capsules and broke them open, and inside was a clear, extremely slippery substance. You could rub this stuff between your fingers all day and it would never lose it’s viscosity.
    He burned some on a butter knife and got some good smoke, but no effect. If Marinol is THC derived, and if THC is what makes you high, then why didn’t he get a buzz on this? Nothing worse than bogus weed, man…unless maybe a bogus pill.
    I’ve been smoking for a long time…decades…and I’m under no delusions. Quitting is difficult, but not as tough as quitting tobbacco, or booze. It isn’t about what harm a substance might do, it’s about my right to choose what is right for me. As long as booze and cigarettes are allowed to wreak havoc upon our society, fairness requires that those substances be treated in the same fashion as marijuana. Can you imagine the backlash if cigarettes and booze were suddenly illegal? Wouldn’t it be great if you couldn’t get a job unless you gave up the tobbacco? I’d laugh my ass off if that ever happened…!

  40. CALIFORNIA IS ONCE AGIAN A PACESETTER.
    Now! hold on to your seats, and make sure you’re sitting down. An incarcerated Qualified Patient runs us $14,000.00 per year in medical expences. That’s over and above the $54,000.00 per year it would normally cost for room and board. This is the highest cost of inmates in any prison in the world
    …and…ain’t I proud of that…NOT!
    Has our government gone mad? I, as a citizen…demand an answer to the question of whether or not government has far exceeded its mental capacity. I’m demanding accountability for the insanity behind this abuse of governmental authority. Don’t hand me a bunch of crap…just justify this lunacy, or pack your bags. You’re not staying in D.C. You’ve worn out your welcome.
    A three judge federal panel, has ordered a reduction of 40,000 inmates over a two year period. I understand
    that this just may well be a ploy to put 40,000 inmates in a manditory rehabilitation program, such as Dr. Kleber’s program…but…freedom is expensive…
    even if it lines the pockets of the good Dr. Frankenstein.
    Republicans have promised an appeal that will go directly to the U.S. Supreme Court. I guess the Republicans want to lose another election. At any rate…roose or not…it’s another step forward, and surprisingly enough…a positive one. We have to stay on top of this one, all the way.

  41. I disagree with you ROE for once. Violent revolution is always on the horizon. You think they are hangin themselves? They do what they want. It states in our constitution that if our government gets to bad its our duty to shake off that yoke of oppression. You think our founding fathers mean that to sit idly by begging and hoping the gov will do wats right? They kno the truth and dont help us cuz of profit. The kill whole familys for a fuckin plant. Its peace mongers like you who wil hand the rights of the people to gov on a silver platter.

  42. MARINOL is proof of the conspiracy by our representatives to enslave us for profit.
    Cannabis main ingredient THC
    Marinol main ingredient chemically synthesized THC
    Cannabis anyone can grow.
    Can you chemically synthesize anything?
    Our leaders moved THC to a lower drug schedule making it legal for the legal drug pushers to sell..
    Our leaders still put us in jail if you grow one plant you are a dealer and get five years guaranteed!
    Confusing isn’t it? Not to me it is projected the legal drug pushers would lose billions. If you had a choice as guaranteed by our laws. They know most people would choose cannabis and they would lose the billions if we had a choice. That is why they pay our reps millions to insure we have no choice……
    Cherokee Fred Jesus

  43. When you start listing the pharmaceutical drugs that will be obsolete,when America can get honest studies completed,without the ONDCP buying a study to contradict
    the study claiming medical applications. Until they re-schedule marijuana,the ONDCP is required to fight any movement to legalize anything Schedule I,using what ever means necessary. That means false studies and the lies
    are all he has to work with,which is why we will win.

  44. CFJ,
    One choice we do have,run these crooks out using their own greed ,lies ,hypocrasy against them. Not just on cannabis issue, but all issues . They are showing their true selves to the world right now.The secret is out, thats why they are trying to suck us dry with these bills right now before its too late. Have you noticed the anger rising? They are calling the people right wing nut jobs and trying to vilify them. Its not gonna work. The sleeping giant is waking.

  45. #43 A rope leash Says:
    August 5th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
    My brother died of HIV/AIDS a few years back.
    There was a drought around here a couple of
    years before he died, and we could not find any weed.
    His doctor prescribed some marinol, which my brother
    said was pretty much worthless, as far as he was concerned.
    Of course, he was on about two-dozen other meds, too…so…
    Well, he got to wondering if he could take the Marinol and try to smoke it.
    We took some of the capsules and broke them open,
    and inside was a clear, extremely slippery substance.
    You could rub this stuff between your fingers all day and it would never lose it’s viscosity.
    He burned some on a butter knife and got some good smoke,
    but no effect.
    If Marinol is THC derived, and if THC is what makes you high,
    then why didn’t he get a buzz on this?

    Nothing worse than bogus weed, man…unless maybe a bogus pill.
    RE: A rope leash,
    the Mari-NULL “pill” is quite bogus…
    – Though the active-ingredient in Marinol®
    is THC, the capsule is NOT 100% PURE THC,
    ONLY 2.5 to 10mg of IT is. The rest, is an extremely
    slippery substance called SESAME-SEED OIL.
    (In pharmacological-terms, the sesame-oil is a
    vehicle for the paltry, MINISCULE-AMOUNT of
    THC that Marinol®-capsules ACTUALLY contain…)
    – The REAL physical-characteristics of
    one-hundred-percent PURE THC itself, is that of an
    extremely-viscous; sticky, gooey, tacky liquid at room-temperature.
    (Doesn’t THAT sound familiar…???) 😉
    – Though TetraHydroCannabinol is the only “active-ingredient”
    in dronabinol-capsules, it’s NOT the ONLY active-compound
    found in whole, botanical, cannabis-herb.
    – For more info,
    see previous post-comment #6:
    THE ORANGE-JUICE ANALOGY

    POST-SCRIPT:
    – Let’s start referring to Big-Pharma’s
    feckless-SINthetic “pot-pill” as “Mari-NULL”
    since it’s not as effective as the genuine-botanical
    it attempts to imitate. 😈

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