Winds Of Marijuana Law Reform Rebuffed At White House

While there is a constant buzz of cannabis law reform these days in America, largely at the local and state level, unfortunately these strong winds of change do not largely penetrate the Capital Beltway.
This is made clear in a candid interview with Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) Deputy Director Tom McLellan in the November 15 edition of The New Republic’s webpage. In a blunt and critical tone, McLellan is interviewed by University of Chicago professor Harold Pollack for an informative TNR series entitled The Treatment.
While reasonable people can reasonably differ, what personally vexes me is that Mr. McLellan, a longtime veteran of government-provided addiction treatment services (mainly at the Veterans Administration for an astounding 27 years), clearly has an immense compassion, sense of service and commitment to helping his fellow humans who’ve become addicted to drugs find a path back to sobriety and functionality, which is a professional field of public health that I respect immensely. However, I’m terribly disappointed by what appears to be Mr. McLellan’s political tin ear on the subject of cannabis law reform–notably his disdain for patients having legal access to medical cannabis.
I commend NORML supporters to read the entire Treatment interview, below is the applicable excerpt where cannabis is discussed:

Marijuana use, medical and otherwise
Pollack: …. California does a medical marijuana ballot initiative, to take a random example. States do things that are contrary to the general tenure of the policy of this office and maybe to federal policy at large. Attorney General Holder has basically said: California has made a decision. We’ve got scarce resources, and we’re not going to get in the way of that.… How do you negotiate that federal/state set of issues?
McLellan: A very tough question. I’m still very new at this. And I don’t speak entirely for the office, so I’ll give you my personal reactions. In the narrow scope of things, the idea of being judicious about the use of your federal prosecutorial resources is first of all the Attorney General’s call and second of all probably smart. You’ve got a rapist and a marijuana user. Who are you going to go after? OK.
But, I’m disappointed that it was done with such drama, and that ONDCP and DoJ did not better-coordinate the policy’s release and answer questions about it side by side. For the first 3 or 4 days, the policy was spun in the media as a stalking horse for legalization and political activists claimed it meant all these things that it didn’t. That happened in part because we didn’t have a clear, coordinated message across the government. This  administration, certainly including ONDCP and the Department of Justice, opposes marijuana legalization and believes that it’s worth it to try to reduce availability of marijuana. Normally we work well together on that and a bunch of other issues. We just didn’t work very well together on this one, in my opinion.
The issue of marijuana has been interestingly framed by legalization activists. It’s been framed as, “Marijuana’s not bad for you. In fact, it’s really medically good for certain people. That was extremely cleverly done, because we could debate that all day long with existing evidence. How bad is marijuana? Is it as bad as alcohol? Does it even have some medical benefits for people that have nausea or glaucoma and all that?
Well, that’s not what’s at issue. What’s at issue is: there are efforts being made to increase the availability, and thus the use, the penetration if you will, of marijuana use. In order to show that availability expansion efforts are sensible and that we should reverse policies and laws and everything else, it seems to me the argument to be proven is, “It’s good for you. That should be the standard, rather than “Marijuana’s not that bad. Name for me another substance that you would say, “It’s not that bad, so let’s reverse state laws. Let’s increase availability to a product that really is targeted to young people. For that, you should have to prove that it’s genuinely good, not just “not that bad”.
And our position is very simple on this, and I think, frankly, you can’t refute it. Marijuana is not good for you. You have to get that one exactly right. I didn’t say, “Marijuana’s not that bad.“ I said, “Marijuana’s not good for you. And more people using marijuana is not good for society. And I believe these to be facts, by the way….
It is possible to reduce availability, not eliminate, but reduce availability. It’s already been done. It is possible to prevent abuse of marijuana, and it’s possible treat marijuana and other drug addictions. If you do those things, you have a better socially functioning society.
The other artful thing that’s been done by advocates about marijuana is that it has been pitched on one side of the base, “You know, marijuana’s not that bad for you. OK? And by the way, the only alternative to legalization is mass incarceration, which is really bad and it’s really expensive and all that.
It’s a beautifully crafted, misleading argument. Our argument’s entirely different. Nobody wants mass incarceration of marijuana users. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph–what a waste of money that is. But, marijuana’s not good for you. So we need policies that keep marijuana illegal, are sensible, and that reduce availability and use of marijuana. And those policies–unlike the current legalize and tax proposals being floated –could generate revenue for the public. A city or state could generate a lot of revenue through fines for marijuana users.
Pollack: In my own public health work, I don’t really do that much with marijuana. It’s striking to me that marijuana is such a touchstone of drug policy debate.
McLellan: It’s the center of the universe. Yeah (laughs). With all the really serious problems that we’ve got facing us–prescription drug use probably among the top, and you know, name the other drugs, why we’re spending this time on this nonsense about medical marijuana and legalization. It’s the damnest thing to me. I can’t get over it. It’s almost as though there were a contingent of people out there really eager to keep it at the front of the newspapers. Well, it isn’t us. We don’t want it there.
Pollack: There’s a culture war in which marijuana is one of the key fronts.
McLellan: People make a living debating this on stage. You know? That’s hard for me to believe, that there’s a living to be made going around debating about marijuana’s benefits and why you ought to legalize drugs and crap like that. It’s just like a silly discussion to me.

Well….A few personal observations:
-Mr. McLellan certainly is ‘old school’ when it comes to endorsing the existing drug war dynamic that when his fellow citizens use illegal drugs to ‘save’ them they are best arrested and drawn into the criminal justice system;
-Like his predecessors at ONDCP, notably former drug czars McCaffrey and Walters, McLellan mocks medical cannabis and the public’s mass acceptance of it as one of the choices that a physician and patient can employ as a safe, non-toxic medicine;
-Mr. McLellan claims that the current administration does not want to necessarily incarcerate cannabis consumers en mass (how charitable!);
-Mr. McLellan appears genuinely amazed if not chagrined that there are citizens who exist that disagree with the prohibition of cannabis; that there are actual organizations of citizen-stakeholders advocating for alternatives to the self-evidently failed status quo of cannabis prohibition, complaining that some ‘make a career’ of advocating for obviously needed policy changes.
I suggest Mr. McLellan pause for a moment, look around his ONDCP office, and fully realize that he, and tens or thousands of anti-drug bureaucrats and law enforcement personnel employed by the federal government (ie, ONDCP, DEA, NIDA, Customs, TSA, Border Patrols, VA, SAMSHA, NDIC, EPIC; and hundreds of government organs funded by the taxpayers, like CADCA, NFIA and Partnership for a Drug-Free America) are careerists as well….However, unlike reformers, who employ privately donated dollars (maybe $15-$20 million donated in total to all drug policy reform groups annually), Mr. McLellan and his other career prohibitionists employ tens of billions annually of taxpayer’s money.
Calling the kettle black does not get one far in Washington, DC.
-Maybe most disturbing, and a notion I’ve never heard advanced before by any drug policy official or law enforcement representative, Mr. McLellan believes that there is to be more revenue collected by arresting nearly a million cannabis consumers a year than by actually taxing the commercial cultivation, sales and consumption of cannabis (and of course the windfall enjoyed by society when billions of taxpayer dollars are no longer wasted annually trying to enforce a clearly unenforceable prohibition via mass arrests, prosecutions, incarcerations and probation services).
NORML supporters and cannabis law reform advocates in general need to realize that while there is a discernible cannabis law reform zeitgeist these days to be sure, unfortunately, existing at the top of government management charts, are government employees who are still very resistant to any real degree of cannabis law reform, and who favor arresting cannabis consumers en mass rather than taxing them like the consumers of alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceutical products.
Ugh.

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  1. How does an idiot like this even get to serve in this position if he is tied to the addiction treatment industry? It seems to me that we shouldn’t allow people with who are tied to a related industry serve in a position that helps regulate that industry. Not only should he not be there but the chain of idiots who put him there should also be removed.
    It seems the only “change” we are getting out of this administration is is different faces under the same old hats.

  2. Ugh indeed. But pay no attention to that pathetic man behind the curtain, McClellan. He’s just a message boy as Joel #55 said, spouting red state conventional wisdom scripted by Rahm Emmanuel.
    I hate to say it, because I was an early and big Obama supporter, but his governance strategy resembles Bill Clinton’s, Jimmy Carter’s or even Herbert Hoover’s feckess attempt at “triangulation”.
    What annoys me is that it is not neccessary to put a finger in your supporter’s eyes to appease people who don’t support you at all, like Emmanuel/Obama’s attempt to be bipartisan on health care reform. In our case, McClellan could have just brushed off marijuana as a state issue and said they have bigger fish to fry…pharmaceutical drug abuse, heroin, etc.
    But no….

  3. I’ve had the mispleasure of being on the recieving end of their forced treatment at the insistence of the courts. I had to lose my job, uproot my children from their good neighborhood and put them and my wife in a low-rent apartment with all kinds of thugs around while not being able to be there to look after them for the 100 days it took for me to complete the program that didn’t work. I finally beat my meth addiction on my own with the help of my family, my marijuana maintainance plan and the new friends I made after relocating. I have been meth free for almost 8 years now and the gov had nothing to do with it. I do however blame the gov for me getting hooked on hard drugs. If it weren’t for their war on drugs America probably would have never had that vile crap coursing through its veins. It gianed its popularity the same way ketamine did; it gets you high and it wasn’t on the illegal list when they started cracking down on the more mainstream substances. But I’m getting angry and starting to ramble so let me just close with…..
    Fuck that dude, his treatment centers and the war horse that he roe in on!!!!!

  4. A PREACHER’S PERSPECTIVE ON PROHIBITION
    I am an ordained Southern Baptist minister, and I have served as a pastor for 15 years. In those years I have had dealings with a number of people with substance abuse problems. I have seen first-hand the misery that drug addiction can inflict on addicts, their families and society. My experience with these individuals has led me to two conclusions which put me at odds with the majority of evangelical Christians and with Mr. McLellan.
    My first conclusion is that our government’s current policy of prohibition is a failure and a waste of time, money and lives. The fear of arrest and jail is not and never will be an effective deterrent for most addicts. Some of the addicts that I have met had wrecked their marriages, had their children removed from their homes, had their drivers’ licenses revoked, got fired from their jobs, evicted from their homes and stripped of all self-respect. Some have done jail time. Compared to the sacrifices they have already made for their habit, an arrest and a rap sheet are small potatoes. Prohibition has only served to make these addicts more secretive and more dangerous.
    Not only is prohibition counterproductive, but affordable addiction treatment is in short supply. On numerous occasions I have succeeded in persuading someone to get help only to find that help was nearly impossible to get. Many drug treatment centers require payment in advance. Others require proof of insurance coverage. Some only accept referrals from the courts. The rest have waiting lists of six weeks to six months. The majority of addicts I have tried to help gave up out of frustration and are either still hooked or dead.
    These facts have led me to believe that we need a complete overhaul of our drug policy. We need to stop treating addicts like criminals, and we need to stop wasting money and resources on a failed program. Instead, let’s invest in treatment, education and harm reduction. Portugal has had success with such a program and it’s time we should try something similar.
    My second conclusion is that cannabis should be legalized. I cannot justify marijuana use as morally acceptable, at least not to the satisfaction of most conservative Christians. However, marijuana is far less addictive and much safer than alcohol. I have a good personal friend who is a recovering alcoholic. When he was drinking, he couldn’t keep a job and couldn’t seem to stay out of jail. A few years ago, he switched from alcohol to marijuana. Since the switch, he has not only found and kept a job, he is a dependable and valuable employee. And he hasn’t had a single run-in with the law. Over the years, I’ve met quite a few others with similar stories. These stories have led me to the conclusion that our society would be better off if we were more tolerant of marijuana and less tolerant of alcohol abuse.
    If my parishioners were to find out how I feel on this subject, I’d be out of a job, but I am convinced that this is the most logical and the most Christian approach.

  5. The Nazis of today are alive and well practicing there right to infringe on the freedoms of Americans! These type of people are the men who stood silent and followed the agenda of people like Hitler! They don’t repect you or your family or your rights because the only individuals worth anything are themselves. WAKE UP AMERICA!

  6. Have we figured out yet it is a waste of time to talk to the federal government about marijuana. Who cares about them take your state back and mentally fight for what is right!!! The federal government would never legalize marijuana and thats what having states rights is all about. Of course a federal speaker is not going to bow down and kiss marijuanas ass.. He is being paid a great deal of money to keep his closed minded points. PEACE ON EARTH PEACE ON EARTH PEACE ON EARTH ONCE WE LEGALIZE WE ASCEND

  7. Mcliean was paid to lie. It’s obvious to see that they (prohibitionist) are reaching for the stars. Paid to say what they say….and, o golly me, that’s always a FACT! Screw science, fuk everything that goes against whatever agenda is on the menu…it doesn’t matter—science never wins if money is a factor. U don’t beLIEve? check out what happened in England when science spoke. No different here. What the government is afraid of, and what will happen, is a revolution. Now, we all heard this before, this time, it’s the real deal.

  8. If you haven’t read the Entire article please do so. The guy’s a flake.
    Last paragraph:
    McLellan: It’s a difficult job for me, and I think it would be a very difficult job for any person with a research background, because you simply don’t have the time to be contemplative. I run around all day long, stupid most of the day…(laughter)
    There just is such an array of issues that come through here where you have less than an hour to make a decision or issue a statement or develop a talking point… . There’s not a single scientific paper I ever published that wasn’t like the 10th or 20th draft. “Now we need a statement on medical marijuana, and we need it in 20 minutes.” You basically draw on your instincts and your relationships and the principles that you’ve learned, but you rarely have the opportunity to draw upon the contemplative, methodical research that you’d like to. The pace is just too fast for that.

  9. Mcdonald’s. Burger King. Taco Bell. KFC. All of that food is “not good for you” and they have meals that “target kids” so why don’t we make those illegal too and reduce availability? Hmmmm?

  10. To editor: That’s great!!! I hope you send your best people equipped with some of the best arguments. We as Americans not only want Legalization, we need it. I’m tired of dealing with these old, racist laws that could potentially ruin my life. Thank you for your response, it was greatly appreciated.

  11. How about we call a national boycot of alcohol by tokers; even just a few days of it would bring about the change we need.

  12. There is an effort to increase availability?
    People are getting busted for trying to sell it door to door,and to people sitting in their cars at redlights. How much more availability is there? There are more people that use marijuana now than ever before,and no matter who coordinated the governments stupid war on drugs,it was doomed before it ever started,you can’t stop people from doing something that brings them so much pleasure,with so little harm.
    “Marijuana is addictive to people the same way sex is,anything that good needs repeating.”

  13. I wish those old prohibitionists would hurry up and die out.
    [Editor’s note: How about just retiring…and letting the next generation who favor reforms have their turn at leadership and policy implementation?]

  14. While I appreciate your words #105 Tim Weaver, you are preaching to the choir? so to speak that is.
    With all due respect, you are of NO help to the movement to end this madness if you’re not speaking out against Prohibition.
    Since you are Christian you may wish to align yourself with:
    http://christiansagainstprohibition.org/
    They are spot on and would likely be able to help you through the difficult moments.
    —————

  15. ya McLellan is old school he’d would rather have alchol which is worse, does more damage, kills cause people to fight, and so on and so on. it people like him that should be showen the door. the gorverment could make money, use it for something worth while. na not the god old u.s.a. they just give them seeves raises and spend money like it’s water. someday day hopefully this year the goverment will do something like legal lize pot. lol.

  16. His argument – since marijuana isn’t 100% good for you, it should therefore be illegal – overlooks so many other products and services, that aren’t 100% good for you, that humans use and abuse daily, and legally.

  17. It seems that a lot of commenters here are angry and “fed-up”. That’s actually quite good.
    If the last election proved anything, it proved that voting doesn’t change a damn thing, especially when it comes to the federal government. I personally believe that our country has been taken over secretly by forces from both within and without, but that is neither here or there. They are all getting too much money security off of illegal weed, one way or the other, so they just don’t give a shit if the masses want it legalized.
    While I appreciate the efforts of NORML, and the changes brought about by referendums, and the comprimises made by indivdual states…I really don’t think the Feds will ever accept the breakdown of their game.
    …unless…
    …unless we the people get out into the streets and show them who is boss. Our country is being looted by war-mongers, our economy is being withered by greedy bankers, and our freedoms are being abolished ever more brazenly by a newly militarized police force. Everybody in this country is angry about something the federal government is up to…taxes, torture, war, oppression…HYPOCRISY…it’s time to channel this anger into effective change. Voting isn’t going to cut it.
    The protests are already out there. We just need to go join the ranks. A couple million people around the reflecting pool would be a good start…

  18. Director Tom McLellan said:
    “It’s a beautifully crafted, misleading argument. Our argument’s entirely different. Nobody wants mass incarceration of marijuana users. JESUS, MARY, and JOSEPH–what a waste of money that is.”

    Frank Zappa 1974 10 31 Po-jama People

  19. 14 states have medical marijuana Is this the Devided States of America? Its high time Washington pulls there head out of there ass and get a national medical marijuana law. Lets march on DC and let them know we are are mad as hell and were not going to take it any more SET A DATE NORML !

  20. The government should re-legislate all laws every 10 years using modern data. The original arguments for prohibition would never stand in today’s society.

  21. I wish they would make those motorcycles and ATVs illegal! They are dangerous! I hope they make deep fried donuts illegal. Them are dangerous! I wish they would make cosmetic surgery illegal! It can be dangerous! Come to think of it, people should not be allowed to consume peanuts, as a choking hazard and common allergen! Let’s put people in prison for lifting heavy objects! This activity is highly dangerous!
    Why is it that of all the fun things to do in life, marijuana is the only dangerous thing that is illegal? It is almost silly that people keep justifying keeping pot illegal because it is “dangerous” when there are numerous other legal consumer products and services that are more potent. This argument that pot should remain illegal because it is “dangerous” can be easily squashed.
    A person that would rather fine a peaceful person rather than tax him is slave owner.

  22. It is clear to me after reading through the comment on this post that more posters than me had issue with the article.
    I feel I was attacked when bringing up a valid discussion point. Is this how everyone who questions “Norml Proper” is treated?
    I hope I’m all wrong but as a supporter I feel my input is not appreciated.
    I am seriously disappointed with the attitude of the “editor” and will consider putting my energy and money towards other reform groups for the near future.
    Maybe after I smoke one I will be less offended. PEACE
    [Editor’s note: It’s not a matter of being appreciated, it’s a matter of correct or incorrect. You think the #2 at ONDCP supports decrim, when he does not. You think that he really didn’t say arresting cannabis consumers will raise more money than taxing cannabis, when he did.
    If getting called out for being incorrect makes you want to support another law reform group, that is your concern.]

  23. Yo, number #6. The thing that seperates Alcohal/ciggi’s and fastfood…..or even too much Television is that: (yes,) cannabis CAN be harmful(maybe). But Cannabis;unlike the others….can ALSO be helpful as well as Healthful. And ya know….we don’t want “vices” out there that can help instead of hinder.
    We don’t want that now*sarcasm*COUGH!!!
    LOOK, man. I was raised christian…still am. HOWEVER, a lot of christians seem to associate weed smoke with hellfire and wine or booz with water….which; in the Bible, it(water) is symbolized or connected with salvation. Same with Wine(bcuz it represents his blood). Where as…smoke is often times associated with brimstone/fire and the like.
    They just can’t let that sub-conscious learned behavior.

  24. O.K…..so when cops BUST down your door, scare/arrest/shoot you dead on the spot(the last mentioned only seems to happen when the DEA knocks down the WRONG door??), then STEAL all of your’ sh!t and then turn around and AUCTION it off for Police Dept. Profit……correct me if I’m wrong;but,..is’nt that what PIRATES and CROOKED warlords did–PLUNDER.
    POLICE-Plundering doesn’t sound all that diiferent……….

  25. ALSO—-I’m gonna go ahead and guess that most pirates(just like policemen..) Persecuted and PLUNDERED upon good people that were not doing anything harmful to the Pirates to provoke them into invading one’s home.

  26. I would love to be a part of a peaceful march on Wshington and I’m sure many others would be as well. But if we do this we have to remember that they will be looking hard to find to put our effort into a egative light so if and when it happens everyone please remember to be on your best behavior. Set a date norml!!!!

  27. McLellan thinks making a living off of the debate of prohibition is ridiculous. I think it is ridiculous for my probation officer to make a living off myself using marijuana.

  28. Cops pluder is made to seem ‘LAWFUL’. Its a mass propaganda of the populace. “We can do it because we are the ‘LAW’. ” Well ..it is obedience to god to fight against this kind of tyranny. Thats what it is plain and simple TYANNY!
    Put one guy in a ballcap,mustache/beard and rock tee shirt. Put another in a suit,all trim and ‘proper’ looking.
    Now have them stand in front of a crowd.
    Have the guy in ballcap make a small speach that is, unknown to the crowd,to be true.
    Now have the guy in a suit make a small speach,unknown to the crowd,to be false.
    Who do you think the crowd will believe?
    Now look around at our leaders,cops ect.
    See how easy it is to lie and convince the masses it is the truth.
    I’m not saying all in suits or uniforms are liars, that would be wrong, but now you see.
    Our government make it easy to stand and lie to you,convince you they are ‘good’.
    Who do you think the crowd will believe?
    If it isnt obvious to people these days that our government is corrupt, then said people are wearing blinders willfully.
    Time to change this people.

  29. Then it is as I feared. Our government has no plans to legalize and regulate pot. They still consider the draconian policies to be effective. Scary, very scary for this is a sign of things to come. The man makes no sense to me. He says marijuana availability must be reduced to support a healthy functioning society… BAH! The existence of democracy is said to do the same. Im confused though, because last time I checked democracy means people make the laws, and people decide. If they cannot listen to the people they are intent on ruling with an iron fist, then we’ve reached the point of tyranny and it’s our job as american citizens to do something about it. We owe it to america. Oh and if marijuana must remain illegal because its “not that good for you” What does this idiot have to say about alcohol? Im scared people, im scared for the future of this country. The government continues to show their lack of respect for their people. Isnt it time we make it very clear to them that WE are in charge? Can we really do that peacefully? It will not stop with marijuana, our government has grown into a monster. It’s quite obvious america is turning into something else and I will NOT be afraid to say so! Look around you, does love truley conquer all? When it comes to tyrants and peasents No it doesnt. No one understood this better then our founding fathers. They did what had to be done, and for a short while we had a truly free country. I wonder who America’s next founding fathers will be?

  30. McLellan: diaf you retard.
    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
    Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness you moron, GTFO of MY life, MY choices, and MY body. We dont want to pump cannabis down the throats of kids, but that is what prohibition does now, because black market dealers dont card children.
    Gee you must be really smart to know that something is NEVER good for anyone right. Hows the saying go, Only fools deal in absolutes?
    For standing in the way of people’s Liberty, I hope you choke, you son of a bitch.
    [Editor’s note: As a general rule of thumb, despite the frustration rightly experienced by cannabis consumers and reformers, please, let’s try to abate from wishing our political opponents and prohibition-leaning citizens painful deaths…Let’s try to be a little more Gandhian: “When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall — think of it, always.” -MKG

  31. we dont have much hope with this mclellan guy and others like kevin sabet (can u say overacheiver?) over there at the Office of national lying policy.

  32. Everyone should go to this web site: http://fija.org/ We need to start letting the justice system know that we are tired of the laws that take away our citizens liberty.
    “…This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it…”
    – US President Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861

  33. re:#99 & #125
    Adam, I’m not trying to kiss up to Paul or “norml proper” but exactly how do you think they enforce these cannibas fines this Mclellan guy is talking about….under threat of damaging your credit rating? No. They do it under threat of our phycical freedom and all that comes with being locked up plus the fines plus the cost of the forced treatment plus etc. etc…
    I enjoy your intellect and opinions that I read in most of your posts so I do hope I haven’t offended you in my effort to help clarify this point as I hope to read more from you in the future.

  34. Our gov’t at one time(LONG ago, mind you..) was Clear and Direct with a purposful Agenda. Now, it seems our gov’t is Cloak and Dagger with a Self-Serving Agenda.

  35. The stated policy of that office is dissuade use of a large host of substances. By any means. He is careful in his delivery there. Well crafted delivery I might add.
    People are quick to dismiss the fact the voting public is in stronger and stronger support and that influences all the money these folks get. While the message is not reaching the spokesperson who denies that there is a debate, the debate rages around him. Eventually they will either have to get more draconian and go for full prohibition again, like the UAE and others are trying in respects, or start staging a different kind of campaign.
    Quoting him is like quoting PETA though. It gets their message out and those words stick with people. Much like all the stuff they spewed out in the 80’s I hear parroted from people still to this day. Just make sure you dont start or end an argument with these quotes.

  36. I wouldn’t really worry about this McLellan guy. I think he is just one view in the White House. After all not only is his argument that marijuana is illegal because it is “dangerous” silly, but as pointed out here, very old school thinking.
    Obama is very good, he knows he needed to temper his recent endorsement of medical marijuana states. This McLellan clown and his wacky ideas are counter; and most importantly sure to fail the test of time.
    For President Obama to relax marijuana laws, he needs the opposition to fail. He seems fair and balanced as a US President.
    Anyway you look at it, marijuana legalization is finally here!

  37. Holy Smokes. Thank you Allen. To show others who may not truely understand that there is actually people who hold positions in society and government who believe they know what is best for you. They are called prohibitionists and/or moralists. They are blind and cannot see. Believing the lies and misinformation to protect their livelyhood. They will never change until it hits home with one of their own family or friends becoming sick or incarcerated.
    The Rev.sLeezy
    Universal Life Church of the Holy Smokes

  38. Holy Smokes. If the Federal Government believes that wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is a state rights ,issue. Well then what about states rights to control, tax, and regulate the cannabis plant. Sounds like a fair comparison to me.
    Rev.sLeezy
    TULCOTHS

  39. READ… READ… READ… I had a thought the other day after hearing one of the NORML pod casts. The main stream media is just a biz. We know they track the searches on their web sites. We should go to FOX, NBC, CNN, and others such “marijuana”. The more hits they get the more likely they are to cover marijuana related stores. This way we can get more mainstream press.

  40. I have news for you all, Barrie Hussein Obama was a big cannabis smoker at his elite prep school, Punahou in Honolulu. And he has admitted to drug problems. Ok, we can agree on that?
    Guess what, folks, he has not changed. This guy has a plan, give him some time, the chains of prohibition are being unlocked one link at a time. Btw, I am not an Obamagirl,nor have I ever been one. FWIW. I predict full legalization for medical use in 3 years. Israel is allowing it in hospitals for certain medicinal purposes. I imagine that some Jewish hospital in LA will be the next to have their pilot program. After that….????

  41. its pretty bad that the only big reason they keep mj illegal is becasue of the tax money making prohibitionists rich the govt. is now
    making companies randomly drug test thier employees so that they can win the war on weed if we smoke they will catch us in our piss and fire us so we cant afford to buy how communistic to ruin a person just because they smoke weed on the weekends the govt. has no morals

  42. Marijuana is good for you! Consider that the cancer rate of users is lower than the general public; that marijauna has nuero-protective qualities that delay the onset of Alzheimers and other brain diseases, that marijuana users have lower rates of violence…need I go on? Does marjuana have side effects that are not good? Yes, dry mouth, coughing, short-term memory impairment while using. Water is good for you but too much can kill you. Too much marijuana, and your’e just wasting it.

  43. The feds. have stomped all over the constitution they are breaking the law when they pass laws to prohibit drugs. That is why the stamp act did not prohibit pot. Our gov. is not authorised to do so according our laws then or now. the sad part they break our laws and the intent of our laws every day.

  44. silly lil potheads…
    dontcha know that big daddy govt/god in the sky.. has to help you decide what is best for your body and mind because you may make decisions of which they disapprove.
    thats ok tho..they’ll also help you to become the good lil economic units (prison wage slaves)that you were destined to become befor you decided to engage in cerebral enlightment.
    “officer!!! imprison that fellow!! he had the audacity to have a flower in a bag”

  45. Look, I have to say something here.
    I am tired of all you claiming that you’re all about freedom, free the weed, then turning around and scapegoating cigz and liquor..
    Yes, weed is safer than them, agreed.
    But, I like smoking cigarettes, and don’t fancy having to go through all the black market crap I do for weed to get them.
    So quit it.
    If you truly believe in freedom, then you have to accept that it applies to all of these things, to drink liquor, to smoke cigarettes, and yes, to get high as we please.
    You’re just as bad as the government if you don’t support my right to smoke cigarettes. (I can accept smoking\non smoking sections, etc,.)
    Peace

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