Marijuana Prohibition Is Alive And Well in Florida

Despite this amazing era of increased cannabis awareness and acceptability in America, there are still strong pockets of political resistance. One of the most important states that needs to exit the era of Reefer Madness post haste is the political bellwether Florida. Of America’s political behemoths–CA, IL, OH, TX, PA and NY–Florida is the state that has least embraced cannabis law reforms, defers way too much to law enforcement’s self-interests and it’s political leadership–Democrat and Republican–are lockstep prohibitionists.

To reform cannabis laws in America means reforming the laws in a politically important and diverse state like Florida.

However, when concerned citizens in Florida, like South Florida NORML’s Karen Goldstein, contact her elected officials like Governor Crist seeking parity with about one-third of the United States’ citizens who currently reside in states that have either decriminalized cannabis, or have ‘medicalized’ it, they instead receive disingenuous Reefer Madness-soaked replies from unelected, self-interested prohibition apologists.

To wit…

April 16, 2010

Dear Mrs. Goldstein:

Governor Crist received your email and forwarded it to me for a response.  I am the Director of the Florida Office of Drug Control.  First, thank you for expressing your opinion to our Governor.

It is important to understand that our federal and state drug control policies have one overarching goal: to reduce and, if possible, eliminate the use of illicit drugs like marijuana.  Establishing a taxed and regulated legal market for adult marijuana users would not advance the goal of our drug policies.  First, legal access to marijuana would likely result in steep usage rate increases.  Our experience with alcohol and tobacco has taught us that commercial interests weaken sensible regulatory efforts.

A legal marijuana industry would employ promotion, advertising, and lobbying to increase demand while maintaining prices well below their current black market levels.  Stimulating demand while lowering prices would undoubtedly lead to both increases in the number of Americans that use marijuana as well as the intensity with which they use it.

I am very concerned about the health and wellbeing of Florida citizens.  The deaths caused each year by alcohol and tobacco represent a major cost to society that is in no way offset by the tax revenue generated by the sales of these substances.  Furthermore, I do not believe that the adverse consequences of marijuana use (respiratory diseases, traffic fatalities, poor school performance, dependence, etc.) could ever offset the potential tax revenue it might generate.

Any policy change that results in an increase in marijuana use, particularly among youth, is unacceptable.  Cannabis use has acute effects on attention and memory, something that constitutes a particular problem for adolescents still in school and perhaps contemplating a collegiate future. Furthermore, marijuana use impairs judgment and motor skills, posing a serious risk of automobile accidents.  It is also estimated that about 10% of marijuana users eventually become dependent on it.  By enforcing policies that suppress the use of addictive drugs like marijuana, we are affirming our ultimate respect for freedom and liberty by ensuring that fewer Americans get trapped into a life of addiction.

Finally, please be aware that federal and Florida laws prohibit “medical marijuana” because an expert review of the evidence conducted by the Institute of Medicine concluded that “Smoked marijuana…is a crude THC delivery system that also delivers harmful substances…[and] cannot be expected to provide a precisely defined drug effect.  For those reasons there is little future in smoked marijuana as a medically approved medication.”  Safer and scientifically proven drugs exist for all of the medical conditions that marijuana is erroneously thought to treat.

Again, thank you for your correspondence to Governor Crist.

Sincerely,
Bruce D. Grant
Director
Florida Office of Drug Control

247 thoughts

  1. “we are affirming our ultimate respect for freedom and liberty”

    How Orwellian is that?! We’re all in prison because of the Government’s “ultimate respect for freedom”.

  2. This once again demonstrates the cozy relationship between the prison lobby, law enforcement and prohibitionists in florida. i am part of the prison system here and i see how this affects floridians everyday. We have a large private prison lobby that makes too much money off of non-violent drug offenders to make herb legal. NORML needs to have a list of true conservative / libertarian politicians who are herb friendly that we can use a referance for voting this november. 141 people plus myself have taken the time to write a comment, now we have to get off of our asses and VOTE. Get ALexander and the other morons out of office who are only hoping for an election win to the “big show” whilst stomping on liberty and freedom of choice. VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!! NORML please take my suggestion to heart, get us a list of politicians who are for true change and we will get the ball rolling, too much is at stake. THis is the south god-damnit, our heritage is kicking DC in the nuts, lets do it again.

    [Editor’s note: As it has done in the past, NORML will be releasing a cannabis consumer’s voting guide for the US Congress this fall. But suffice of to say there are only a handful of members of congress and the senate who could at all be considered ‘herb friendly’–maybe a dozen Democrats and a half dozen Republicans could be considered ‘legalizers’, which is why pro-reform bills don’t get voted out of even subcommittees, to larger committees, to the floor…]

  3. JBM said: “States legalizing marijuana should be condemned and the politicians that allowed these laws to be created should be impeached from their Office they hold.”

    JBM, you are delusional. And you obviously hate marijuana and marijuana users. Did it ever occur to you that marijuana is not as bad as you think it is? What if you were told by a reliable source that marijuana is safer and more beneficial then broccoli? Would you still want to fight marijuana?

    Please sir, you are vengeful and ‘out of touch;’ please get help…

  4. Marijuana! Marijuana! Lsd! Lsd! Teachers all take it why can’t we. I remember this from my cild-hood, age 10 1966. Let’s face it we are this nations whiping boy and I am so tired of it, mention drug law reform and you get the same thing that I have been hearing all my life BO-HO you are a dope pusher here to get our childern hooked on drugs, BO-HO all our boys in Vietnam are on dope. Oh and those dirty hippies let’s not forget them. I smoked weed for the first time in 1975 and no one pushed it on me, I have worked hard all my life and am as sick of of our law makers and leaders in Washington D.C. now as I was back then.

  5. Does anyone have the contact information for this guy? I am planning on writing him myself. Heavily regulating access to mind-altering substances such as marijuana only increases the use of easily obtained prescription medicines, which are in no way safer than marijuana. These law especially targets teenagers, who have an easy time raiding parent’s & other family member’s medicine cabinets. To believe that oxycontin and methamphetamine are safer than marijuana (both are available through prescription) is not only laughable, it’s downright unsafe. There is no possible way that the government will EVER “eliminate marijuana use”, it’s a pointless battle they are waging on their people with no rhyme or reason other than controlling and keeping the people down so the rich white man can stay in power and keep the silver spoons in their mouths.

    Plant illegality is basically….retarded. I can’t believe fools still exist that think somehow they will be able to eliminate drug use by oppressing other humans. People naturally seek out mind altering substances, especially teenagers who are searching for truth and to find out who they are. I think Marijuana can be an essential part of fully developing a person’s mind and soul. If we outlaw it, it will only be done behind closed doors, where misinformation and unsafe practices run high (like people smoking while driving since they have no other place to do it).

    I smoke plenty of weed and I have an IQ of 145. I just got a scholarship to a great university because I have such a high GPA–so where is this “poor academic performance” he is talking about? I am clearly smarter than this man. Does it disturb anyone else when “pothead” teenage girls are smarter and more clear headed than the men in power?

  6. That’s absolutely ridiculous, you can pick his arguments apart so precisely it’s crazy. It angers me that there are people who think like that out there… he cares nothing for the people who use cannabis and have their lives destroyed by legal penalties. It’s pure evil, but covered in the guise of public safety, or as Governor Crist would say, “saving people from lives of addiction.”

  7. Opions are like ASSHOLES everybody has one. Please vote this asshole out of office and ship him to the u.s.s.r. with the rest of the commies

  8. “Safer and scientifically proven drugs exist for all of the medical conditions that marijuana is erroneously thought to treat.”

    And to get off of those drugs, you have to take more “proven” drugs, and so on. You wanna quit smokin, you just quit. Any “addiction” caused by marijuana is solely psycological, unlike many prescription medications which cause both physical and mental addiction. As far as marijuana being attributed to respiratory problems, if marijuana were legalized you would be able to purchase foods containing cannabis on a regular basis, reducing the number of people with respiratory problems.

  9. What about the relief on the justice system? Has he taken a look at the amount of taxpayer money is spent in catching, jailing and prosecuting otherwise law abbiding citizens?

  10. “States legalizing marijuana should be condemned and the politicians that allowed these laws to be created should be impeached from their Office they hold.”

    #130 JBM: They should be impreached for doing what the voters want them to do?

  11. I have Multiple Sclerosis, my neurologist will prescribe 2 pain killers including vicodin before marinol due to the scrutiny in this state. I live in Lakeland, FL., Polk Co., one of the worst. I am on probation for a non drug charge, and still get piss tested and violated for thc in my urine.

  12. Hello fellow activists, this is a letter I received from Gary Miller, my representative in the state of California for the 42nd district.

    Dear Mr. Yang:

    Thank you for contacting me regarding legalization of marijuana. I appreciate hearing from you on this issue. I believe the United States government must do everything in its power to ensure the health and safety of the American public.

    As you may know, the Controlled Substances Act of 1970 classified marijuana as a Schedule I drug with a high potential for abuse and no acceptable medical uses. In the 1980s and 1990s, with the passage of strict federal anti-drug laws and mandatory sentences for possession of marijuana, use declined. Recently, though, the number of new marijuana smokers has increased, going from 1.6 million in 1990 to 2.6 million in 2004. Today, marijuana is the most commonly used drug, with 25.8 million Americans using the drug within the last year. It is also one of the most addictive, with 60.3 percent of all drug addicts dependent on marijuana.

    I firmly believe that it is a tremendous threat to our nation’s public health. Several studies have found that marijuana is not a benign substance, but a powerful drug with a variety of side affects. When smoked, the drug delivers many harmful chemicals to the blood stream that can cause a variety of potentially destructive reactions, including bouts of depression, short-term memory damage, and a loss of coordination. In addition, marijuana has been shown to promote the incidence of lung cancer, induce severe respiratory problems, and increase the risk of a heart attack. Marijuana use has also been linked to tardiness, absences, and a negative attitude toward both school and work environments.

    Most alarming to me, however, is the negative impact of marijuana use on our nation’s youth. A recent study found that an alarming 42 percent of all high school students have reported trying marijuana in their lifetime, and 24 percent within the last thirty days. Today, the average age of a new marijuana user is 17.1 years old, and half of all new users are under 18 years of age. Not only does marijuana use at a young age increase the likelihood of drug-related health problems, it also provides a gateway for the use of other illicit drugs. In fact, adults who used marijuana before age 15 are six times more likely to be dependent on an illicit drug, such as cocaine or heroin, than adults who first used marijuana at age 21 or older. I believe that Congress must work to reverse this trend and stop the growing epidemic of marijuana use among our nation’s youth.

    Again, thank you for contacting me. I hope that you will remain in touch in the future on other issues of importance to you.

    Sincerely,

    GARY G. MILLER
    Member of Congress

  13. “Safer and scientifically proven drugs exist for all of the medical conditions that marijuana is erroneously thought to treat.”

    Bruce, and I’m saying this with complete disrespect, is a moron.

    Lets do a breakdown:

    “Furthermore, I do not believe that the adverse consequences of marijuana use (respiratory diseases, traffic fatalities, poor school performance, dependence, etc.) could ever offset the potential tax revenue it might generate.”

    Respiratory diseases; Why the fuck are cigarettes legal?

    Traffic Fatalities; Roughly every 30 seconds, someone dies from a drunken related traffic incident.

    Poor school performance; Plain and simple, if you try your best, chances are you will not fail… that is just a horrible bullshit conspiracy statistic.

    Dependence; Do I really have to bring up all the deaths from alcohol, tobacco, and prescription medications?

    I mean I understand that he is trying to do his job by enforcing the federal laws, but it sounds a bit conformist to me.

  14. Some of these comments are very cogent replies to Mr. Grant, but guess who will never see them? And if we all write his office, he is unlikely to read every letter – not that any facts would change his mind.

    Posting comments here is basically preaching to the choir. Write your local paper. Join NORML or one of the other organizations dedicated to reforming these ridiculous prohibition laws, and take action in the greater community. Table at public events. Spread literature. Talk to your friends. To fix the government, you must first educate the populace.

  15. Way to go Crist. Maybe you can fool the public for another year and distract them with this same old argument (since 1937) and waste all the political money for yet another year on the same old subject (controling your people). We would’nt want to move on and spend all that money on education and technology advancement. Who needs that in this country right now, or ever. Makes your job easier just doing nothing now doesn’t it.

  16. I wish I could have said I read every post here to ensure nothing similar was said, but at 164 posts before me it’s proven difficult. Excuse me if I’m repeating another.

    I’m 22 years old and have lived in the Miami/South Florida area since my birth. Incase anyone was wondering just how much of the population smokes/smoked marijuana, it has to be a vast number. Growing up and even more so now, I’ve been amazed by the amount of people that smoke cannabis. Stand in a decent sized line at any corner store in South Florida, and 2-3 fellow line-dwellers will ask the cashier for Cherry Blunt Wraps or a pack of Dutch Masters. This will happen in any gas station or convience store that sells these products. Finding a dealer is the simplest of tasks. Chances are there’s someone on your block that deals.

    Amongst the citizens of South Florida, there is a very apparent acceptance of marijuana in our culture. And I can tell you that even with the extreme diversity of nationalities and cultures that we harbor there is no racial boundary that decides who does and doesn’t smoke. You can get high with Democrats and Republicans, with Cubans and Dominicans, Guatemalans and Arabs, and blacks and whites. There’s always marijuana at whatever social gathering you attend, with the occassion not mattering one bit at all.

    There is a lot of backing for the legalization of marijuana amongst Florida residents (at least in the south). There has to be a reason for no progress to have been made though, and I believe the reasons include an “old country” and old fashioned mentality. There is a large 50+ base of citizens that hold true to anti-marijuana and propoganda, whether they were exposed to this in the United States or their respective countries of birth. The influence on younger generations makes it easier for people with the age to make changes to stay quiet and do their illegal bidding behind closed doors. You don’t want your parents finding out you smoke pot, even if you’re in your 40s.

    It’s also extremely easy to keep marijuana under cover here. Your neighbors don’t care that you’re smoking pot. Cops don’t care that you’re smoking pot. The neighbors will just be disappointed you didn’t invite them over, and the cops will turn their face the other way (but don’t get caught by a brain-washed, crime-fighting rookie).

    With as much die hard, anti-marijuana legislation and propoganda you see on the local news, there’s a great deal of marijuana freedom amongst Florida citizens. We’ve come to live comfortably in a world we know we can interact with marijuana whether medically or recreationally, with little actual real world consequence. Just don’t get caught by the wrong cop and you’re safe as mentioned earlier.

    The average person doesn’t have the motivation to care to do anything about marijuana prohibition in Florida. Everyone is smoking just fine. Maybe Florida smokers are just too high.

  17. That whole state is infested with corruption and organized crime. The reply from Director Florida Office of Drug Control, Bruce D Grant expressing his puritan rhetoric, is not fooling anybody.
    Of course they have the law on their side; it’s all paid for with dirty money from cocaine.

  18. I think the Florida government has an excellent point. We can’t have some young black kid experiment with cannabis and then believe he could someday become President of the United States.

  19. I love the part where it says we have drugs that are “safer” and “scientifically proven” to help out sick people. All those synthetic pharmacuetical drugs have way more negative effects than all natural marijuana. It cost more to produce, its more expensive, and usually your insurance doesn’t cover the cost. Any ways, we are now in 2010 we don’t smoke, we vaporize producing a minimum of 92% THC.

  20. please tell me about this so call “safer, less addictive” drug then marijuana. As far as i know you cant over dose on weed like you can on all other medications.

  21. demonizing cannabis users, flower children in particular, got us to this point in time.

    consider …

    levitating the dea — literally and/or spiritually.

    make love not war yo

  22. Something of note… Florida is a HUGE distribution point for illegal substances (as has been repeatedly documented in the news). My concern is that there might be some “bias” in the form of campaign contributions or some other in-between party. I see 2 possible conflicts:

    1. If Marijuana was completely legalized in Florida, to the extent that tobacco is, my guess would be that millions of dollars would stop flowing to growers in other countries because we would be producing everything we need and exporting the rest (possibly). Which would definitely be against their interests, hence, they use their influences to prevent this politically.
    2. If Marijuana was only legalized for medical patients (Like me in California), it would still have a major impact on the black-market prices. I say this because as a grower, I usually produce more than what I need and I do give back to the community through my local co-op and personal friends. That having been said, the same thing would probably happen in Florida. The overall effect being a decrease in price in the black-market probably do to the availability of cheaper, superior grade, “home-grown” medicine.

    In effect, knowing the amount and variety of political scandals that have concerned Florida’s Political leadership since even before I was born, I am highly concerned with several phrases this man gives in his response:

    1. “Smoked marijuana…is a crude THC delivery system that also delivers harmful substances…[and] cannot be expected to provide a precisely defined drug effect. For those reasons there is little future in smoked marijuana as a medically approved medication.” Safer and scientifically proven drugs exist for all of the medical conditions that marijuana is erroneously thought to treat.”

    -My personal opinion on this is that “Safer and scientifically proven” is all in the eye of the beholder. Experiment results, and so called “Experts”, can be bought just as easily as politicians (NoFreeLunch.org). I need to see published documentation and research citations from as many sources as possible before I believe that. Second thought, if marijuana is so bad and delivers harmful substances, what does that make cigarettes which contain toxic chemicals and are PROVEN to cause cancer/death?

    2. “Our experience with alcohol and tobacco has taught us that commercial interests weaken sensible regulatory efforts. ”
    3. “A legal marijuana industry would employ promotion, advertising, and lobbying to increase demand while maintaining prices well below their current black market levels.”

    -My main concerns with these I stated at the beginning, but All industries employ promotion, advertising, and lobbying to increase demand. Driving the industry into a black-market state causes just causes it to become morally bankrupt and only concerned with cash flow. A second thought concerns diminishing demand for tobacco/pharmaceuticals as a result… and eventual loss of money and power to tobacco, pharmaceutical companies, and any industries based on them.

    4. “Any policy change that results in an increase in marijuana use, particularly among youth, is unacceptable.”

    -Kids will ALWAYS be able to get anything. Kids get alcohol and cigarettes like air in some areas of the country, I speak from personal experience because I began experimenting at the age of 15 with both. The best defense is to be a good parent and help your kids understand why they SHOULDN’T do some things. Knowledge is power.

  23. please tell me he isnt related to that prick harry j

    # Jim Buchhofer Says:
    May 2nd, 2010 at 9:15 am

    After 9 months of battling lung and brain cancer, my wife underwent dangerous brain surgery on Wednesday at the UF’s renowned Shands Hospital. I hold Charlie Crist completely responsible for depriving her of the pain relief and medicinal support which Medical Marijuana could provide her. By appointing the neanderthal Grant-Anslinger as the malevolent director of Florida’s Drug Control office, Gov Crist assures that I can not in any way condone supporting his so-called “Independant” political aspirations.

  24. # 126 – Jeanne: Any “drug” that is placed under Prohibition is wrong. Prohibition is the problem. ALL “drugs” should fall under the regulate, tax, and control. NOT arrest, imprison, and punish.
    Abuse is the problem in the meth, crank and coke you mentioned. Educating people, like you referenced with cigarettes is what works. NOT treating people, who want a little buzz here and there, like they are second class, non productive, non thinking individuals.

    #130 – JBM: You are stupid, hands down, you are no more than an effect of lies wrapped around propaganda.

    #118 – Jose Melendez and #135 – Eric S: Right on letters.

    Your letters bring up a valid point of why “we the people” who want Prohibition ended need to keep hammering away at anyone in the g’ment that supports this glaringly failed policy.

    Keep talking Floridians, let them know you’re not going to settle for their lies any longer.

    You did read #136 right? That’s what Obama said recently. That’s your rough draft of the National Control Drug Strategy, compliments of the drug czar, Obama, and the rest of the rats.

    We have to stay strong, realize it isn’t going to be easy because it’s their frakking cash cow, but we need to keep hammering away. Tell the prohibitionist to Listen to you Loudly because you’re not going to shut up.

  25. JBM, you are delusional. And you obviously hate marijuana and marijuana users. Did it ever occur to you that marijuana is not as bad as you think it is? What if you were told by a reliable source that marijuana is safer and more beneficial then broccoli? Would you still want to fight marijuana?

    Please sir, you are vengeful and ‘out of touch;’ please get help…

    I am sorry if i want criminals and those that support by making it available should be put in jail. There are drug stores in states that are corrupting our laws and security. Drugs bring higher crime rates to the areas they inflect. That fact is obvious. And these stores will sell it to anyone with a card that you can get for having a headache, it is ridicules.
    I beg of you to vote for politicians that will take the toughest stand we have ever seen in Florida like Attorney General Bill McCollum for Governor and Marco Rubio for the Senate. And for you people whining your on probation for being caught you should be thanking liberals for keeping these useless punishments around you belong behind bars.

  26. Florida is so backwards; I live here and I cannot believe this state is still so southern KKK redneck; it’s unacceptable. What the fuck is wrong with Floridians…….don’t come here; fuck Disneyland and Orlando, don’t come here as tourists anymore please; don’t prop up our economy anymore, and when we have no choice but to go the way of California because of a defect then perhaps the fucking idiots in power of this state will finally take their thumbs out of their ears and put them back in their asses.

  27. I just wanted to input my opinion on Bruce Grant – clearly, the guy is an a-hole and a moron. He is completely out of touch with his constituents and should not be taken seriously by anyone with at least half a brain!!!

  28. I am a Florida resident, and I am also pissed off. Fuck these oppressive assholes. Fuck them hard. I am definitely going to lead, rally, and organize as many protests as I can next year (and the four years after it, should I decide to continue my college education in this backwards state), as well as spread as much awareness about this as I can.

    “I hope that time isn’t too distant; the illegality of cannabis is outrageous, an impediment to full utilization of a drug which helps produce the serenity and insight, sensitivity and fellowship so desperately needed in this increasingly mad and dangerous world.”

    -Carl Sagan

  29. I have many things to say about this person and none of which are good. The statements are completely retarded, if we legalize marijuana then adolescents would become surrounded by marijauna and it would effect their school performance. How about if marijuana was legal we would have less kids having drugs available to sell drugs, more people would be able to apply for jobs that paid a substantial pay because they can pass a piss test, and finally since every marijuana activist seems to be set on a stander age of 21 for consumers to even be able to purchase like alcohol how would they ascertain the substance. Poor political awareness in Florida. And to be replied by the drug czar of Fla. and not the actual gov. really gay and really spineless

  30. Florida is more interested in prescription drug money and, make no mistake, Florida is the center of the prescription drug trade. I have seen it first hand and it is terrifying. Florida is a cesspool and there is no reason to visit or live there.

  31. Holy Smokes. Remember that the Pres. was only one arrest away from being a statistic of the drug war. “The whole idea was to inhale.” – BO, President of the US.

    Rev.sLeezy
    The Universal Life Church of the Holy Smokes.

    RAMP
    CAMP

  32. It gets better. Just google “Florida State Senator Mike Bennett”.

    Republican. Florida. Surfing pornography during session caught on camera.

    Who is going to protect us from those who take power without responsibility, Mr. Grant?

    I do not think they understand, the internet is a source of actual information, not a bottleneck for propaganda.

    We’re the ones watching what you do, not the other way around.

  33. Sadly, I still have some very good friends that probably believe the same nonsense that this guy is spewing. It’s still amazing to me how so many people can be overwhelmed by fear and misinformation when there is so much evidence out there to the contrary.

    I’m working on a book idea based on my own personal experiences with this holy plant that I hope will help to open the eyes of the critics and help to get us on the road to the 2nd repeal of prohibition.

    Legalize Freedom!

  34. Love seeing trolls like JBM mention politicians who are interested in bankrupting a State. Rubio especially. He is pushing for some severe DUI law changes that will cost the state more than an additional $25 plus million a year and can potentially reach beyond that. Nobody likes DUI but his ideas are draconian and fiscally irresponsible. Especially during a depression/recession.

    I shouldn’t feed the trolls but I had to comment on Rubio as he is an example of the throw the baby out with the bath water type of politician that has created the police state mess we seem to live in now.

    I also warn those supporters of his ilk that eventually you’ll have no one left but illegal immigrants to run the basic services you hold so dearly. Or not, as I’m sure you are all for having them deported or locked up as well.

    The costs of a free society are many facetted. But cut too much and too deeply and you no longer have a shining gem.

  35. Bruce D. Grant should re-read the Constitution of the United States. It is God’s will for people to live in freedom and liberty, as cited and acknowledged in that inspired document. I doubt Mr. Grant is as wise, and definitely not as intelligent.

  36. Even IF there were no medical benefits, WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DOES IT GIVE THE GOVERNMENT (FEDERAL OR STATE) THE POWER TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN OR CANNOT PUT INTO MY OWN BODY?!?!

  37. JBM, you sir, are an ignorant “conservative” hypocrite.

    That goes without saying, really.

  38. I get spupid letters from my reps. all the time that say the same thing. I think these people get together so they can make up shit to scare the public.

    What’s even more alarming is that Crist is supposed to be a progressive. Vote all these backward thinking idiots out of office when ever you can. It’s just shameful that they can’t get past the stigma while people are suffering.

  39. Your right I am a troll for wanting the Laws upheld and drugs kept Illegal. Sorry that “people are already driving around High” is not a conferring enough reason to allow more to. Or at least if they would make it legal for medical and than they could do what I do get extra and sell it to those who don’t have a medical issue.
    I am stupid and full of propaganda unlike the message your spewing.If we could just make the punishment so harsh on drugs that it wouldn’t be worth trying to get them it would allow the police to save billions but instead we hand out slaps on the wrist. Without drugs the crime rate would plummet. That is a racist, stupid idea alright. We need decent Politicians that are above handouts to stand up for the citizens in Florida well being. Lets get to the poles this November and give the tea Party a chance!! Spread the word.

  40. JBM,
    “If we could just make the punishment so harsh on drugs that it wouldn’t be worth trying to get them it would allow the police to save billions but instead we hand out slaps on the wrist”

    …. so you advocate what? the death penalty for smoking a doobie? Besides that question I have this from your earlier post:

    “And for you people whining your on probation for being caught you should be thanking liberals for keeping these useless punishments around you belong behind bars.”

    Conservatives are the ones keeping those laws around. Conservatives like the folks in the Tea party. You need to research and give evidence; not just “spew”, as you so elegantly put it, propaganda. You do not get sir, that Al Capone, Machine-Gun Kelly, Baby-Face Nelson, all these bank-robbers, gun-men, and crooks became prevalent in society solely because the failing economy and prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s created a highly lucrative niche market for them to exploit through power and fear.
    One final thought is, how are you going to stop the drugs sir? Politicians have vested interests and the position to influence policy, as do corporations, foreign governments, hell, the whole world runs on pharmaceuticals and illegal substances these days. Can you name someone, ANYONE, who has never taken any form of drug illegal or otherwise? Who makes the decision that it is ‘illegal’ anyways? We know that part of the reason why Hemp was illegal is lobbyists from other industries fearing the competition. Who is to say that these pharmaceutical companies, that have billions at stake, are not spending some on the side to control the information YOU and I are absorbing from the media every day.
    The “war on drugs” as Nixon put it is a hole we keep dumping money into and that will not stop the problem any time soon. The only approach that will do more than just cover it from the public’s eyes is regulation and overwatch, not arresting almost half of Americans for having smoked marijuana and sending them all to the Gulag.

  41. In regards to post 194: I dont believe I have ever seen someone here shoot themselves in the foot that badly.

  42. It seems to me his attitude is misplaced on marijuana. It seems more appropriate for nicotine – a physically addictive carcinogen. A PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE CARCINOGEN!
    And that’s only one of its curses.

    There is no excuse to continue the ONDCP experience with policies based on spite and ignorance.

    On the other hand, I am very loathe to support any prohibition.

  43. Why do these people insist that they need to protect us from ourselves. It’s MY BODY to do with as I will!! NOT YOURS TO DICTATE TOO.. slavery was supposed to have ended.. controlling my body is slavery..

  44. Regarding post 195; it’s not just conservatives that are keeping the drug laws around; it’s both sides (google Joe Biden and Drug Czar; HE is the one that created this cabinet level position!).

    The War on Drugs that Nixon launched was really his way of going after groups of people that he just didn’t like; specifically the counterculter, hippies, drug users, etc.

    Also, regarding the “Tea Party” contingency; I would argue that the majority of those folks are probably PRO legalization, regulation and taxation of drugs (or at least Cannabis).

  45. REgarding post 194: JBM, I can appreciate that you want “the drug problem” to go away, but the fact of the matter is that there is no amount of law enforcement or penalty that will prevent someone who seeks a particular drug from obtaining it. If anything, by making it taboo, it only makes it MORE ATTRACTIVE!!

    Honestly, if your neighbor wants to sit in his living room and smoke pot (or cigarettes, or drink alcohol, or pop pain pills) while he watches TV, what difference does it make to you? For that matter, if the same neighbor wants to eat a whole pizza by himself while his veins slowly fill with cholesterol, does it really concern you?

    Of coursre not!

    I’ll agree that driving while intoxicated on alcohol or any other drug is a crime (DUI/DWI) and should be dealt with, but to say that you simply cannot do something “because it is the law” is absurd. We’re already starting to see regulations creep in regarding the health-content of the food we eat, the salt content of food in restaurants. It’s a slippery slope; before you know it you won’t be able to have the haircut you want because it’s not legal. . .or that tattoo or piercing you had thought about will suddenly be off the list.

    I would be willing to bet that the majority of politicians on BOTH SIDES of the political spectrum agree that the drug war is a ridiculous waste of money and has done nothing to fix the problem; however, you will never hear any existing politician say this, for 2 reasons:

    1. They view this as “political suicide” in that, its not what their constituents want to hear.

    and

    2. By admitting that the existing drug laws are a failure, they are also (by proxy) admitting that the majority of bureacratic government functions and corresponding laws on the books are also a failure and that they should be eliminated. . .which is something that politicians will never give up: POWER and CONTROL; to your point, the above 2 “drugs” are far more dangerous to our freedom and liberty than a stoner blazing up and eating a bag of Doritos.

    Something to think about. . .I realize that you may never think drugs are okay, and that’s fine, but knowledge is power, and I would encourage you to at least research it further . . .you just might learn something:)

    Peace,
    Matt

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