DEA Moves To Ban ‘Fake Marijuana’ Products

Well, if nothing else, the United States Drug Enforcement Administration is predictable.

DEA says it will make ‘fake pot’ products illegal
via The Fort Worth Star Telegram

[excerpt] Within 30 days, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration will criminalize the possession and sale of “fake pot” products and the chemicals they contain for at least a year while it considers whether to ban them permanently.

The DEA announced Wednesday that it will temporarily control five chemicals used in products such as “K2” and “Spice,” as well as the products themselves, according to a press release from the agency.

In 30 days the agency will publish a final notice making the products illegal for at least one year, with the possibility of a six-month extension while the Department of Health and Human Services studies whether the chemicals should be permanently controlled, according to the release.

And from the DEA’s official press release: The United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is using its emergency scheduling authority to temporarily control five chemicals (JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, CP-47,497, and cannabicyclohexanol) used to make “fake pot” products.  Except as authorized by law, this action will make possessing and selling these chemicals or the products that contain them illegal in the U.S. for at least one year while the DEA and the United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) further study whether these chemicals and products should be permanently controlled.

To date, NORML officially has had little to say regarding this matter. The issue is somewhat removed from NORML’s mission statement — as the organization supports regulations for the adult use, production, and distribution of marijuana — not the retail sale and recreational use of synthetic cannabinoid agonists, which is what these chemicals are.

That said, the growing popularity of products are a predictable outgrowth of criminal marijuana prohibition. As prohibition is apt to do, it has driven the production of a commodity into the hands of unregulated, unknown dealers, driven up the potency of the commodity, and in doing so created a scenario where the consumer is faced with a potentially greater health risks than they would be had they simply had the legal choice to use the product they actually desired, in this case cannabis.

Given that most manufacturers of these products are overseas and not subject to U.S. laws and regulations, it is unlikely that the DEA’s action will in any way halt the dissemination, use, or misuse of these products by the public. Most likely, the DEA’s clamp down will likely only make the situation more dangerous — from both a legal standpoint and from a health standpoint — to the consumer.

I guess the DEA just never learns.

Ryan Grim at Huffington Post has more on the story here.

119 thoughts

  1. Things can change on a dime. Just look at the race for Attorney General in California. Cooley thought he was cool – but – the people didn’t agree with him. It’s pretty damned simple – “When you play – you pay.”
    It was the will of the people that changed Cooley’s direction – and – it is the will of the people that can change any direction – “Individual Will.”

  2. This fake weed is totally bad for you. It makes your heart face like abnormally fast and you feel like shit when you smoke it. I’m glad they’re banning this stuff. Although its really sad that they won’t decriminalize marijuana. If they did that stupid people wouldn’t smoke this nasty chemical stuff. Idk about you guys, but I smoke weed cus it’s natural and it fixes everything. If I wanted to have nasty chemicals in my body I’d smoke meth or take pills everyday.

  3. It’s about time these products were banned. We were among those who fell for the “natural herbal alternative’ B.S. , but efter observing the behavior associated with them and studying the chemicals used in
    their manufacture, we stopped stocking them.
    It seems that these products have become a matter of money over conciencse for many people. I chose peace of mind, and I can only hope that the powers that be will realize that by prohibiting the use of marijuana, they are pushing people to explore harmful, addictive products like Spice instead !

  4. First the disclaimer:
    I do not use or suggest the use of any substance other than marijuana,be it bunk or dank,skunk or sativa or any
    blend of them.

    I agree that any chemical drug should certainly be tested thoroughly before allowing human consumption.
    I suggest that they get to testing,and honest testing,
    because there is already a market for the drugs and to prohibit them now just gives the cartels and criminals another product to sell.

    It is another damned if we do and damned if we don’t deal…..It is all we seem to get lately,in our elections,initiatives and the economy.

    Instead of prohibiting they should move it into the liquor stores and at least get it out of the hands of young people.

    The ideal and common sense approach(you don’t get that phrase in congress much)would be to legalize marijuana
    so people wouldn’t need to worry about losing their jobs or going to prison because of a urine test. But if 30,000 people dead in Mexico means victory,then forget that ever happening.

  5. Marijuana will never be legalized nor de-criminalized.
    We have entire sections of our government dedicated to the economy building ( War on Drugs ) namely the D.E.A.
    Imagine all of the high paying jobs that rely on drug illegality,
    not to mention the political fallout from the loss of these jobs which is why the job creating (War on Drugs) will never end.
    The war on drugs was created by Richard Nixon to fund secret operations in Laos and Cabodia against the wil of congress.
    Loosing jobs to any Politition is political suicide.

  6. Oh no! A good thing..At least the DEA is there to take it away. All kidding aside. I have used the “Spice” products. Set products have not affected me in a negative way. I still prefer Marijuana to the “Spice.” And I understand that these products effect each person in a different way, some have not affected me at all and sent my friends to places only astronauts have seen. Well, Just laying out some facts. A note to the government End The Prohibition….I’ll totally let you guys get the greens. =^P

  7. Obamacare and the War on Drugs

    Some conservatives outraged by Obamacare’s individual mandate had helped pave the way for it through the war on drugs.

    If the generation of “limited government” lawmakers freshly chosen to man the trenches in Washington wishes to be taken seriously, the butcher’s bill must include some of the social conservatives’ sacred cows.

    Starting with the War on Drugs.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/253048

  8. Our “government” is made up of people that just don’t get it. For every problem the DEA solves (i.e. banning those fake incense K2 nonsense) they create two new ones. The solution to all this madness is to legalize the use of Sativex (basically a cannabis aerosol tincture) in the United States. If the pharmacies had a way to sell marijuana and not have to deal with it in herbal form the more likely it would be dropped out of Schedule I. Sativex is legal to use in Spain and Germany so why not have our Big Pharma lobby for it to be used here in the U.S.

    Once Sativex (which stock is off the charts at almost $100 pounds British Pound) is available through the pharmacies everyone gets their piece of the pie. I have no problem with Sativex it is just using the ice-o-later method of making bubblehash and turning it into an aerosol (oversimplication but basically that’s what I’ve read).

    So let Big Pharma have their hot new product and the entire war on marijuana goes away. Legalize hemp/marijuana by dropping them out of Schedule I and your doctor can write you a prescription now for Sativex or generic. The generic is marijuana in any format you want so that is the ticket to having marijuana off the DEA’s plate.

  9. THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT K2 / SPICE / and the DEA;

    now that the feds. have equated k2 / spice with marijuana, they have handed us the MOST POWERFULL arguement to use against them, so far.

    we just say;
    -yes, k2 / spice is just like marijuana,

    THEREFORE, WE HAVE HAD;
    -FULLY LEGAL MARIJUANA-
    IN ALL 50 STATES,
    -AND THE SKY DID NOT FALL !!

    MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DID NOT GET ADDICTED.

    SOCIETY DID NOT END.

    THERE WERE NOT MILLIONS OF CAR CRASHES.

    THERE WERE NOT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE GOING TO WORK STONED / SMOKING AT WORK, CAUSING ACCIDENTS AND FATALITIES.

    ALL THE PREDICTED DOOM AND GLOOM AND ANARCHY, NEVER HAPPENED !!

    LIFE WENT ON, EXACTLY AS BEFORE !!

    -and except for LEGAL AGE REQUIREMENTS, it was FULLY LEGAL !!

    JUST LIKE WITH ALCOHOL, IF YOU ARE CLEARLY OVER AGE, THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOW ANY I.D. AT ALL !!
    JUST LIKE WITH tobacco and prescription pills, it is LEGAL TO DRIVE AFTER SMOKING K2 /SPICE !! (intoxication is what matters, not zero tolerance)
    NO DATABASES REQUIRED FOR SMOKERS !!
    NO SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL !!
    NO ARRESTS, BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL !!
    NO ONE OUNCE LIMITS, OR ONE POUND LIMITS, NO LIMITS OF ANY KIND !!
    NO ONE BEING PISS TESTED, OR DENIED EMPLOYMENT !!
    NO EXTREME SECURITY REQUIREMENTS for sellers !!
    NO SPECIAL LICENCES / PERMITS / FEES REQUIRED for sellers !!
    NO SPECIAL ‘DRUG-FREE’ ZONES AROUND SCHOOLS, PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS !!
    NO SPECIAL I.D. CARDS OR FINGERPRINTING FOR SMOKERS !!
    NO SPECIALTAXES; SALES TAXES COLLECTED WERE THE SAME AS ANY OTHER TAXABLE PRODUCT !!
    JUST LIKE tobacco and alcohol, IT WAS NOT ON THE ‘SCHEDULE’ SYSTEM; not schedule 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5.
    CAN USE FOR RECREATIONAL USE !!
    CAN USE FOR MEDICAL USE !!
    CAN USE FOR RELIGIOUS USE !!

    it was FULLY LEGAL, AND THE SKY DID NOT FALL !!

    THEREFORE, IF WE FULLY LEGALIZE REAL MARIJUANA,

    THE SKY WILL NOT FALL !!

    SO; that’s EXACTLY what we need to shoot for.

    MAKE MARIJUANA TOTALLY, COMPLETELY, FULLY, 100 % LEGAL !! (for adults)

  10. “The American public looks to the DEA to protect its children and communities from those who would exploit them for their own gain,” said DEA Acting Administrator Michele M. Leonhart. “Makers of these harmful products mislead their customers into thinking that ‘fake pot’ is a harmless alternative to illegal drugs, but that is not the case. Today’s action will call further attention to the risks of ingesting unknown compounds and will hopefully take away any incentive to try these products.

    Straight from the horse’s mouth. How about instead of going on a rampage of banning substitutes left and right you just do the sane thing and at LEAST decriminalize cannabis. “The American public looks to the DEA to protect its children and communities” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Please, no more! I can’t stop laughing!! If you want to protect your children and communities, stop placing innocent people in jail/prison for using a (safer) alternative to alcohol. I’m pretty sure anyone who has had to deal with the police for simple possession will agree, along with anyone else with 1/2 a brain, that the laws against cannabis do more harm to an individual and their family than the substance they are trying to “protect” us from.

  11. # 10 waitinforchange.

    Your name says it all. You’re “growing tired of this crap” ? I’ve been tired of it for the last 35 years. Why doncha get up off your ass and do something about it? Do you live in California? If so,then why DIDN”T you go out and vote YES on prop 19? Why aren’t you posting home made videos on You Tube like myself and so many others? Why doncha go down to your local church and explain to them the evils of prohibition?

  12. A lot of this has to do with the fact that Obama has a domineering wife. Behind every “sucessful” man is a domineering woman…….Look at George Herbert Walker Bush, for example.

    She’s the one that got Barry to give up weed and now that they have 2 kids…………………..

  13. I praise the DEA chiefs for dressing themselves, speaking without drooling and knowing how to tell time. When you consider the type of decisions they make in other aspects, it is amazing they are able to do all that they do without round-the-clock supervision in a group home.

  14. D.E.A. is law ENFORCEMENT.

    law ENFORCEMENT does not MAKE LAW.

    CONGRESS makes LAW.

    SO THIS IS JUST MORE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL B.S..

  15. to post #61: You can also use the argument that k2 and spice had worse side effects and are more dangerous as well.

  16. Come on people, what about free? It seems the more america tries to legalize pot the more the government tries to regulate other things..(so i wonder how many innocent kids will be killed by black market sub.’s for pot? How many of you out there know of any person killed by pot use,i am also speaking to you at the dea b/c i know you have a bunch of flunkies reading my post… now how many do you know of that has been directly killed by over the counter meds,now prescribed meds ,now alcohol? me my self i can name quite a few on all above but one can you guess the one?thats right POT … So please take your heads out of your asses there at the DEA and see that poy is not as bad as refer madness says!! Now we know our laws can be changed by the DEA,legalize it…….

  17. NORML CANT ADVERTISE FOR ITSELF SO WE BETTER SUPPORT NORML BY TAGGING NORML.ORG ON EVERYTHING WITH GREEN SPRAYPAINT!!! NO,SERIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE WHO USE MARIJUANA HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS WEBSITE BEFORE BECAUSE THE F.C.C PREVENTS NORML FROM RUNNING ADVERTISEMENTS ON T.V. FOR IT.

  18. Oh NO! Not Marijuana… Let me load my guns!
    Tax $ Hard at work again. When will the FEDS stop drinking?

  19. What an AWESOME argument “jon ganj-ovi” LETS PUSH IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! PUSH IT HARD!!! He most definetly has somthing here. And im still willing to take out the stupid DEA!!!!FUCK YOU FUCKS MAKING MONEY ON MY POT!!!!!!!

  20. i, am an unfortunate soul who gets hair tested in order to work. so when serenity came along…i tried it, cautiously and, do use it on occation but, i found that, to get a bit of that comfort that cannabis has always brought me, i only had to hit the bowl once every couple hours or so. these clowns that think you can huff this crap like cannabis are sadly mistaken. that is why kids are landing in the emergency room….i know you cannot “replace ” natures comfort with this plastic k2 or serenity. personnaly, im glad they will ban it. i wont miss it either. i do miss the goodness of cannabis.this suck ass government is too much for the people to change the cannabis laws in a voting manner..i dont see where enough governmnet officials have the balls to change what is wrong with cannabis laws..not in my lifetime…how can we get people to listen to the people who use cannabis..those that dont understand could here it from the horses mouth…we need comercials..speak up people..peace to you all

  21. If these products and chemicals will be illegal, what will be the penalty if found to be in possesion of them? Will it be the same as if you were possessing marijuana?

  22. The stupidity of the people is in direct relation to the corruption of our leaders.
    Republicans and Democrats are one and the same, get it!
    I believe it’s time for a real change because a ” Goverment that doesn’t trust it’s people shouldn’t be trusted ” or tolerated!!!

  23. I am a little leary about anything(especially chemicals and pharma s or other drug type substances ) being added to anything I consume .After finding out about all the poisonous chemicals and other toxic agents found in tobacco cigarettes, It became evident to me that cigarettes had become a delivery system for the deadly cancer virus.How ironic it was to discover that those who promoted the use of chemicals also had a hand in making the only natural cure for cancer illegal.I am a little miffed at how any regulated drug could be found to be so awfully contaminated as to cause cancer . I suggest those who regulate cannabis see to it that cannabis dose not wind up like tobacco.Our hopes if not over regulated cannabis will cure cancer rather than cause it.I think its a good idea to let the fda
    restrain the use of chemicals on any consumable goods.In fact the more crap we hear about wanting our natural cures legalized,The more crap I wanna hear about all the chemicals used in food growing and processing and other consumable products.I think cannabis and hemp should become as legal and free to grow and consume as salad and maybe even remain unregulated if our only choice is to have chemicals put in it or on it.

  24. Wow it just dawned on me, someone out there can do this, bear with me.
    If someone could shower the internet with a web site, no, multiple web sites with information about each political candidate, who and what they support, who and what corporations they take money from or are linked to and not indicate which party these politicians belong we can eliminate the party system thus making each Politition electable based on their actions.
    How about changing unlawful punishments based on earnings.
    If a person that makes minimum wage gets a speeding ticket for $200.00 and a person that makes a million a year gets a speeding ticket for $200.00 who is punished the most ?
    If a lawmaker signs a bill into law he or she should be punished three fold for the crime, am I right?
    How many politicians do you think have smoked pot.

  25. yea here we go.This is sure a strange turn of events .Where were the fEDS and the DEA when chemical poisons were found to be in tobacco?Why was tobacco not banned then?It was clearly dangerous and found to give people cancer because of all the chemicals in it.. ARSNIC FOR GODS SAKE.It was poisoned and it still is and its still raking in the bucks and so is the MIC Along with all the chemical companies who provided the chemicals.Admit it cigarettes are a drug that is killing people and making them very sick yet the DEA nor the FEDS seem the slightest bit worried about it actually harming us or our kids etc.This is a contradiction I do not understand.I would think the population could trust their government to regulate the safety of a product.How is it tobacco wound up with all these poisons in it if it were being regulated properly and controlled by the government?Was making cannabis illegal only a part of a plan to make us all sick with no cure in sight,in an effort to profit big pharmaceutical and chemical industries?I donno but maybe so.

  26. Look at all the money made in alcohol treatment programs.the list of treatment facilities has grown tremendously.They cost so much money to maintain and operate.Trying to get people off alcohol is like trying to pull hens teeth.And talk about a dangerous substance .It will do serious liver damage.
    Maybe we should take a look at chemical pharmaceuticals
    Lets start with over the counter drugs,how about pain killers that do liver and kidney damage with long term use.what no safe natural pain killers besides alcohol?
    Humm this should net quiet a bit of business for the treatment centers …need I say more about what the government has made legal to spite all the dangers involved?I think cannabis is the first drug that I do not see as harmful and dangerous and actually has healthy benefits as long as no one poisons it with chemicals we will do good to have it legal and available for any one who wishes to grow it or use it.

  27. the laws against cannabis do more harm to an individual and their family than the substance they are trying to “protect” us from.
    Except that it is a natural cure for cancer,can provide sustenance to feed hungry people,cloth and fiber for paper ,and is also a renewable fuel,
    I can see no reason why cannabis should be illegal.
    It has few pest enemies,needs no chemical pesticides or herbicides.Its a very hardy plant.Cannabis should be very inexpensive to raise.
    Why would any one wish to use a fake substitute?

  28. The DEA is not trying to protect us from the dangers of cannabis because there are not any.They are the only dangers associated with cannabis.
    The DEA is trying to protect the Dupont Rockefeller and Fabins who thrive on sick people with cancer and all those chemicals on cotton and tobacco.And why hell the powers that be have enslaved a whole nation of healthy young pot smokers in prison,who now work for 35 cents an hour,because the government is determined to keep its poison pharma petrol and chemical industries hard at work producing poisonous chemicals and fighting since less illegal wars over petrol.I wondered if These guys purchased our government,so the big money gets to call the shots.It would seem this big government behind the government has made it illegal to cure your self from cancer,using a natural remedy.Now this is pretty sick on their part.But maybe they are into sick. Remember this IS the same people who supported Hitlers Germany during the war.They are into sadistic.Money not
    humans is their objective.Rocker always thought we should use prisoners for his medical experiments.Hes the one who started the eugenics program here in America .He proceeded to have people sterilized and eliminate those of us who were not perfect.He thought people with sever disabilities should be terminated.This little program still exists under the wire.see Bayer sells aids virus contaminated PLASMA to hemophilia Patients in America who in turn send it to three other countries where it is distributed and sold for profit.When confronted Bayer says “these plans were set in place years ago and are humane”People in the countries this contaminated plasma were sent to were charged and placed in prison or executed.while no one in america was charged nor prosecuted,and neither was Bayer.This happened three years ago in 2007.These people are jaded bad.It is a wonder they can sleep at night.Rocker is still using prisoners for his drug experiments.I can only hope the DEA sees the evil involved in all this.

  29. Thats just what the Government needs to do is spend another trillion dollars to make something else illegal and that is y america is in a recesion. One of the most dangerious things ever is alchohol but to hell with making it illegal lets just let it kill people in many different ways. I say we the people should rise up against the so called people out for the bettering of this country and take it back for us

  30. I am glad the fake pot is being looked into.depending on the chemicals involved they may find that these chemicals are very toxic,and were maybe intended to be so.I do not know that much about it,but i am guessing chemicals including pharmaceuticals are not where any of us wanna go.In light of the fact that it is big chem-pharma that wants to keep natural cures like cannabis off the market,Far be it from me to suggest they would try to once again cash in on the unavailability of natural cannabis cures and uses .Just as they did with tobacco.luring us into their toxic chemical poison alternative products that wind up making us all very sick oh how convenient since they own all the hospitals and pharmacies.

  31. Thank Obama for not getting rid of every republican that George Bush appointed to the DEA and Justice!

    Hope and Change turned into More of the Same!

  32. Texas — Country music superstar Willie Nelson was arrested Friday morning for allegedly having about 6 ounces of marijuana after his tour bus was stopped at the Border Patrol checkpoint in Sierra Blanca, about 85 miles east of El Paso. He posted bond and was released shortly after.

    Nelson, 77, was traveling from California to Austin, where he owns a ranch.

    Nelson, who has written hundreds of songs including “Crazy,” “Whiskey River” and “On the Road Again,” was stopped at the checkpoint about 9 a.m.

    Border Patrol agents searched Nelson’s tour bus and found the marijuana, which Nelson claimed was his, said Hudspeth County Sheriff Arvin West.

    Nelson, who has performed duets with Toby Keith, Julio Iglesias, George Jones and many more, was taken into custody and booked into the Hudspeth County Jail. West said that Nelson posted a $2,500 bond and was on the road again by 1:30 p.m. Friday.

    “It’s kind of surprising, but, I mean, we treat him like anybody else,” West said.

    “He could get 180 days in county jail, which if he does, I’m going to make him cook and clean,” West said

  33. Stay out of, California – U.S.A.

    Oakland, CA: Oakland city officials are seeking to license up to four industrial-sized medical marijuana grow operations within the city limits. City officials began accepting applications from prospective growers this week.

    Licensed growers would be required to pay a $211,000 annual fee to the city of Oakland to operate the cultivation sites.

    The permits do not set limits regarding the quantity of cannabis that licensed producers may cultivate at each given site.

  34. The Federal Government is the BIG PHARMA of the approval of FDA drugs used by the masses in our country and now the AUTHORITARIANS the DEA (DEAD END ATROCITIES) want to be THE BANANA REPUBLIC dictators of law in what we want to ingest in our bodies. Now that we have this synthetic smoking shit going around, it’s going to clamp down our on rights even more. This fake stuff is just another by-product of the drug war on MARIJUANA PROHIBITION, people looking for a cheap way to get high just like crack. To the users of by-product drugs I hope you all kick the bucket or get brain dammage, you deserve it because of your stupidity. When are you going to get the big picture on what is going around yourselves. And that goes for the happy pills and painkillers produced by BIG PHARMA and the rest of the junk they produce that kills or injures you and don’t forget about the coke and heroin and meth by the drug cartels. That is the way your going to kiss the sky and never come down again or get brain damage. FREE THE WEED FOR IT TO BE LEGAL and the rest of the trash will eventually be gone. And by the way, who is going to fill the concentration camps set up by BIG BROTHER across the country, it will not be them it will be people like us who want real freedom from FEDERAL INVASION of our rights of what we ingest or the way we think and say. Next on the FED agenda will be THE DREAM POLICE. The technology is there and BIG BROTHER IS WAITING TO EVEN GET MORE CONTROL OVER US. The real terrorists are in our own back yard and thats the FEDS. HOMELAND SECURITY MY ASS, THE FEAR MONGERS. They started it and were the victims, just like MARIJUANA PROHIBITION. 420 ALL THE WAY!

  35. We really can’t have anything can we?…and everyone wonders why so many people kill themselves. Fucking prison planet.

  36. We really can’t have anything can we? …and people wonder why so many people kill themselves. Ughh…I’m so sick of this bullshit.

  37. Unbelievable that our Gov continues on this ridiculous “Pork” spending. This is no way to create jobs. That money should be spent on fixing our infustructure like paved roads, new power lines, education.

  38. to 83, sandy…..couldnt have said it better myself.a most honest platforn on which to stand…..peace to you…

  39. What the hell,they only want to make it illegal because the D.E.A. are not making any money off of it.Come on,they want to run our lives and tell us how to live,like them fucks that call them selves bilderburgs

  40. This country does nothing more than try to control EVERYTHING that people want to do. How a country can keep alcohol legal,knowign it kills more people,is totally unbelievable and two faced. What a joke this govt is. We got bigger problems in this country than a few pot smokers. The Govt should do it’s job to get the economy back. Legalizing pot to sell in stores and tax would do it,but they do not see it. It works in Amsterdam, I know that for a fact having been there.

    I love the US of A,just hate the numbskulls big business elects to run it….into the ground…..BOOOOO to double standard politics !!!!!

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