Government’s Crackdown On Medical Cannabis Not Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

A federal judge in Sacramento this week dismissed a federal lawsuit filed in November by members of the NORML Legal Committee against the US Department of Justice, US Attorney General Eric Holder, and DEA Director Michele Leonhart. The lawsuit (read it here), one of four filed simultaneously in the state’s four federal districts, argues that the Justice Department’s ongoing crackdown against medical marijuana providers and distributors in California is in violation of the Ninth, Tenth, and Fourteenth Amendments to the US Constitution because the use of cannabis therapeutically is a fundamental right. Petitioners also argue, using the theory of judicial estoppel, that the Justice Department had previously affirmed in public memos and in statements made in federal court that it would no longer use federal resources to prosecute cannabis patients or providers who are compliant with state law.

On Wednesday, US District Judge Garland Burrell, Jr., rejected those arguments and and granted the respondent’s dismissal motion. He denied petitioners request for public hearings prior to making his ruling.

Judge Burrell rejected plaintiffs’ Ninth and Tenth Amendment challenges, finding: “Since the Supreme Court has held the that CSA’s (federal Controlled Substances Act) categorical prohibition of the possession, manufacturing, and distribution of marijuana does not exceed Congress’ authority under the Commerce Clause (Article I Section 8, Clause 3 of the US Constitution), plaintiffs do not have a viable …. claim.”

He also rejected plaintiffs’ equal protection arguments, finding that the Justice Department’s actions in California mimic efforts the federal government has taken against “similarly situated individuals” elsewhere. Judge Burrell also cited court rulings finding that defendants in previous challenges have failed to meet the “heavy burden of proving the irrationality of the schedule I classification of marijuana.”

Finally, Judge Burrell dismissed plaintiff’s judicial estoppel clam, which argues that defendants’ “recent crackdown … against medical cannabis patients flouts the representations made on the record by the Department of Justice” in public memos and statements in court. Responding to this challenge, Judge Burrell determined, “Since judicial estoppel does not apply unless ‘a party’s later position [is] ‘clearly inconsistent with its earlier position,’ and the Ogden memo does not contain a promise not to enforce the CSA, defendants’ enforcement of the CSA is not inconsistent.”

Commenting on the ruling, Attorney David Michael of San Francisco, who along with Matt Kumin and Alan Silber were the lead attorneys in these four challenges, said “We are disappointed, but not discouraged, that the District Courts have thus far denied us the relief we had sought. They are constrained by existing precedent, and the result was not unexpected. It is the Ninth Circuit where we hope to find a receptive audience, and, with the Lawrence v. Texas decision, we may also have a more receptive audience in the Supreme Court, should the issue go there.”

Judges for the Ninth Circuit had previously determined in Raich v Gonzalez: “For now, federal law is blind to the wisdom of a future day when the right to use medical marijuana to alleviate excruciating pain may be deemed fundamental. Although that day has not yet dawned, … (it) may be upon us sooner than expected.”

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  1. Sounds like ” more facts ” above is talking about, Colleen Stern of, Santa Barbara, Ca.
    She is the most corrupt Judge in the Nation dishing out unjust rulings in favor of the City of, Santa Barbara .

  2. “America needs a peaceful Renaissance! It can happen by giving the people something for once; like the Fed government allowing states to engage in medical marijuana commerce, to build a legal marijuana economy. Legal medical marijuana doesn’t just fill the coffers of marijuana dispensaries!”

    Such a “Renaissance” has already been tried, in the 1960’s and early 1970’s (if you are old enough to remember this). It didn’t work. The power of the Police State has tightened it’s grip on the collective throat of We the People since that time.

    And if you have been “awakened” and have been following current events for the past 20+ years, you should already be aware that placid status quo resistance has proved to be ineffective in spawning change beneficial to individual rights & freedoms. New and more effective strategies must be developed and widely implemented. “Jury nullification” has already been proven to work to thwart tyrannical cannabis laws, in such bastions of freedom as Montana. Discarding the “Left vs Right” and “Democrat vs Republican” paradigms in favor of holding each and every incumbent politician and prospective politician responsible for the authoritarian positions they espouse must be part of any new offensive against The Powers That Be. Our politicians must be made to fear the voters more than those, TPTB, who would enslave us all. Crony corporate “personhood” only stands as a viable “truth” when Texas imprisons and / or executes some of these for criminal activity.

  3. When you have a FEDERAL JUDGES involved, they already have the advantage of FEDERALISM and the NEW WORLD ORDER behind them. They could’nt care about our CONSTITUTIONAL rights when it comes to us, but when it comes to them, they are just some puppets having their strings pulled by the elite to satisfy themselves and their cronies to protect FEDERALISM and their UTOPIAN control over the citizens of our country. MARIJUANA PROHIBITION the CONSTITUTIONAL KILLER of our rights and beyond, their TROJAN HORSE. The BARBARIANS are at the gate, it is time for the WALL come down. The MONARCHY of our government have superceded the rights of the people. THE NEW GREEN INDUSTRY SHALL PREVAIL OVER TIME when the FEDS get their heads out of their asses and face reality.

  4. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again– a win is needed this year in November. ONE STATE must legalize to move us forward… otherwise we’re just treading water and pounding our dicks.

  5. Sounds like there goes our rights!!! Pure Communism; They are so scarred of FULL LEGALIZATION that is why they are doing this, More scare tactics. We need to keep moving full steam ahead until we RUN over the Feds. The commerce clause is political BS, it is only to pertain to goods leaving or entering a state! Once states start to legalize in 2012 the’ll be no stopping it MICHAEL, you are just a puppet of BIG INDUSTRY!!!

  6. Even if a state were to vote in majority to regulate cannabis, we will have enormous problems getting around the international treaties set forth by the United Nations. We must ATTACK these efforts to keep cannabis as a prohibited item by the United Nations…

  7. Hello my name roberto and I am deaf person so I live in Texas and I have seizure when I take pills for seizure medical sometime not work for me it still to be seizure so I use smoke pot.it help me a lot but I want medical marijuana so I can use smoke pot no more take pills but I know Texas can’t let medical marijuana so please help me make Texas government let to me use medical marijuana

  8. Judge Burrell also cited court rulings finding that defendants in previous challenges have failed to meet the “heavy burden of proving the irrationality of the schedule I classification of marijuana.”

    The misdirection is so subtle.

    It occurs to me that the easier irrationality to prove is the current federal definition of marijuana itself. It is a racist tautology which is 104 words long and doesn’t define a single thing. Rather, it defines a combination of
    things which are manifested in multiple ways. There may have been a
    rational purpose, but the definition is irrational.

    Contrast it with this simple definition of marijuana which does define a single thing, is rational, and actually shows respect for our Constitution.

    16. The term ‘marijuana’ means all parts
    of the smoke produced by the combustion
    of the plant Cannabis sativa L.

    For more information, google Talking Points for the Peloton.

  9. Cannabis will be decriminalized, in most places and cases, within about 15 years. After that, about 30 years from now we can count some form of legal cannabis.

  10. @txpeloton – I wonder… Since the definition of marijuana has to do with smoke, if I make my own canna-butter using the plant, instead of smoking it, does that mean that the butter does not fall under the legal definition of what our law system considers illegal? If I was to get busted, say for having a brownie made using that canna-butter, could I use this definition as a legal defense? Surely it can’t be that easy, but our law system is so full of loopholes it’s rediculous; although I fully realize that most of those loopholes tend to favor the rich and powerful…

  11. If you research and study every website that has anything to do with the history, chemistry and use of Cannabis you can easily conclude that it never belonged as a partner with heroin and cocaine.

    The Police State is more important than rational discussion over a sui generis plant formed by Nature’s God.

    Unbelieveable this is what America has come to.

  12. this is a joke. The federal goverment has absolutely no right, and if there going to use force like this then others need to do so as well. Our constitution was fought for, and we need to do the same. This is only a money scheme for them. The federal government and the obama administration is the face of communism in america.

  13. This is exactly why we need to keep pushing for Legalization of Marijuana in general on a federal level. That’s the only way we will solve all these problems. As support grows and grows and opponents decrease, it all narrows down to a matter of time and a little bit of effort. The government needs to get out of regulating the individual’s freedom to do whatever they want to themselves. It’s only when that individual does something to someone else is when he should be arrested.

  14. Wow these guys who say it will get better in 30 years…. I said the same thing 30 years ago and look where we are now.

  15. @ somedood yes you are right! The people that say wait till the older generation dies off, wake up people those closed minded people are still breeding. So in all actuality the time is Now! Legalize, reschedule class v. F*cking something!

  16. If you need real proof that our justice system is broken you don’t have to look at this page. Just look at our president that is a murderer by definition and has no regard for the supreme laws he swore to uphold.

  17. Hi Don,

    Good question.
    The federal definition currently has no mention of smoke, so I think it would be better to ask, “When the definition of marijuana…”, to make your proposal correct.

  18. This is such total crap. I am all for violent revolution at this point but unfortunately one thing I know about Sacramento is that people are terrified here of those in charge.

    [Editor’s note: It is a good thing that people in Sacramento, and every where else, are afraid of violent revolution as violence is a bad thing to do to achieve policy reforms, most especially for ending a government prohibition against a plant.

    Inciting violence to reform cannabis laws is an absolute non-starter.]

  19. Looking at the Super Tuesday results… do you really think there is any chance in hell to get Romney or Santorum on board for any type of legalization? We are pretty well screwed unless we get some good Congressional movement going.

  20. To that editor’s note…

    Revolution may be the only way to stop the tyranny in government. It may not have to get violent, but it may come to that even. Prohibition tramples our freedoms. It’s the duty of the people to use the second amendment for what it was intended for.

    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

    -Thomas Jefferson

    [Editor’s note: You can quote America’s revolutionary heroes till you turn blue in the face, but the concept of killing another person over a public policy you disagree with (notably here changing cannabis laws) is both ultimately unproductive and self-destructive.

    ‘Just say no’ to advocating violence or armed revolution to end the war on cannabis consumers, when the real problem is that far too few cannabis consumers are part of the ongoing public efforts to reform Prohibition laws.]

  21. Sorry, I don’t want to turn this into a forum so this will be my last post on this article, I promise. I never condoned or implied that I would kill anyone through revolution, I advocate a peaceful one. It would only become violent if there was resistance, and that’s just a necessary consequence. The Revolutionary war was fought with blood against people disagreeing on policies, so don’t assume it can’t happen again.

    ” the real problem is that far too few cannabis consumers are part of the ongoing public efforts to reform Prohibition laws.”

    This is false. I agree people should be more involved, but it is NOT their fault. The fault is a tyrannical government that doesn’t stay within the supreme law they swore to uphold and trample on our freedoms as living beings. The only thing illegal here is the phony war on drugs.

    Thanks for the discussion and your efforts to end the war on cannabis. Freedoms should always be fought for and protected, even until death, at any cost.

    [Editor’s note: Your comparison of the want of a modern day cannabis consumer to access the herb under Prohibition possibly having to become violent in ‘defense’ of ‘freedom’ is both inaccurate and contradictory. The American Revolutionaries did not take up arms against Great Britain for such a narrow purpose so as to be able to use a psychotropic herb, they fought for individual rights; property rights; autonomy from a foreign government who taxed them, but provided no political representation, etc…

    While Cannabis Prohibition is a terrible blight on Americans’ freedom, the day cannabis consumers choose to become violent against their own government is the day that the steady and moral-based progress to reform the laws will have ended.

    Alcohol Prohibition ended at the end of a pen, not a pointed gun. The same is true for ending Cannabis Prohibition too.

    Think about it.]

  22. It is because Marijuana is classified as a Schedule I drug that I live in a constant state of depression. No legal drugs can relieve this depression as long as these immoral, illogical, and irrational laws remain in effect. I am doomed to live a life of persecution and oppression until awareness blooms in the White House once again.

    These laws distort rational thought to such a degree that my mind totally shuts down, or, as in this case, explodes.

    “heavy burden of proving the irrationality of the schedule I classification of marijuana.”? What part of “Unconstitutional” didn’t you understand? Tell me what is rational about a law that puts people in prison for trying to cure an illness when all other treatments have failed? Tell me that stomping all over the words of our founding fathers is rational. “Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.” What do we have to be proud of if the Federal Government defaces these words? How can you rationally expect to hold a country together when you ignore its most important precepts?

    Schedule I classification:

    (A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.

    Well, of course it has a high potential for abuse. That’s been obvious as the Federal Government has been successfully abusing Marijuana users for 74 years. Please stop the abuse and get this plant out of the schedule. Disband the DEA. They are terrorists. Stop this stupid war on drugs and heal the nation with the freedom to be proud once again.

    Define “Abuse”… Is smoking or otherwise ingesting Marijuana in any way actually “Abuse”? This is not a poisonous plant. It is a good food and relaxes the human body. Relaxing is good for the body. It’s these irrational laws that stress me out. Why is it a law that I must be abused for relaxing?

    (B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.

    Then why do so many doctors want to prescribe it and so many patients sware by it? Laboratories have proven medical benefits. Get rational! Accept its medical importance. Stop lying and twisting my brain to fit into irrationality.

    (C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

    A super huge number of medical professionals think it is perfectly safe. What more do you need?

    Who defines the boundries of “accepted safety”?

    Um, over 12,000 years of use with no recorded deaths and these idiots can’t figure out that it is safe? Do they even know what the word “irrational” means?

    Alcohol and Tobacco are heavily abused and result in thousands of deaths every year. They are not listed in ANY of the five schedules. I’m not disappointed about that because I believe in freedom. I’m just totally confused.

    I have met many alcoholics and nicotine addicts. They tend to be annoying. I have met many marijuana users. They tend to be far less annoying. The word “Abuse” is a relative term.

    Somebody please tell me why we cannot prove the schedule classification for all cannabis products is illogical, irrational, and immoral. It’s so obvious these laws are totally wrong. They are designed to hurt people for no valid reason. Why?

  23. @editor. I understand that we need to be peaceful and tolerant. But, how long do you think the straw is before it breaks the camels back?

    [Editor’s note: Ask Buddha, Jesus of Nazareth, Mohammed, Martin Luther, Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. about violence and the camel’s back.

    Would they commit acts of violence against others to make a plant material legal (that is already largely decriminalized…and sold ‘legally’ to some…)?]

  24. I don’t see how violent revolution can help this matter in any way. I think it would be a step backward.

    I believe that we must take advantage of the scientific and social evidence available from the areas of society that have been enlightened enough to permit the legal use of this wonderful plant. Therein lies the proof that this plant is not a threat.

    Proper votes need to be cast this year. We need to get the creeps out of office. We need to stop the violence against this plant. Hold more rallys. Display more truth. Don’t just write letters to your congress people. Write letters to your local churches and hospitals as well. We need these votes to kill the laws – not explosives.

    If you think religion has nothing to do with this then you are thinking incorrectly. Lots of powerful votes sit in those pews. I think they can be educated to understand the benefits of cannabis legalization.

    A very large body of voters work in hospitals. I think some of the evidence can convince many of them that cannabis is a good medicine.

    Every vote helps. We have to get rid of these laws without violence.

  25. Reply to Bbbababart says: I read book of Pot Politics by Mitch Earlywine that Universalist Church fully support your stance, so how about your help in contact this to help to get message across the country that may be worth the try!

  26. So…who got to the judge and how much did it cost????

    VOTE FOR RON PAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. A friend who I havent seen in a Year or so so says to me today “Hey you look great your not walking with a cane and you look like your old self ” A year ago they recalled the med I was taking cause it was Killing People and was Killing me. But I still needed something To Kill the Pain.Nowere to Turn but Oral Morphine .I looked long and Deeply To Med Cannabis .On 4 19 2011 I got a Ca Cannabis Med Card.For me Canna Butter on Toast or in Food does Miracles for my Pain.Today I went to the Co Op and it was Shut Down. Fresno County has Shut Down all Dispenseies. I guess when My Friend See me again ” He will say Man you Terrible what happened to you your walking with a cane again and you look like your in a lot of pain ” Thanks Fresno County God forbid you should have Chronic Pain and have someone take your Meds From you. No Love For the Disabled in Fresno.

  28. After I wrote my last blog here, I thought I should move forward with my own efforts. The words here are doing little more than teasing willing participants.

    If I want action to be taken, then I must take action myself.

    I have begun composing a letter. First to Catholic churches. It is difficult because I have a history with Catholicism and my desire to rip this theology to shreds is strong. But I cannot allow those emotions into the letter. I need to show respect. So, this is going to take some time…

  29. Slavery vs a Plant. Won’t be screwed with by a 2-Party system in an ection year actiing like they want to be seen closing whore houses for Power. Go about your business and do what’s relevant People. Don’t play stupid – the Smoking Lamp is Lit.

  30. Who is this “Editor’s Note” person?

    This is not simply a matter of trying to legalize a psychotropic herb. It is about our Constitution. It is about quality of life. It is about life itself. It is about truth. It is about dignity. It actually does match very closely with the reasons for violent revolt in the 1700’s. We cannot vote the DEA out of office. We cannot grow a cash crop that would surely help our economy in a very big way. We cannot have access to an incredibly beneficial source of life saving molecules. …and our judges don’t seem to grasp the truth…

    US District Judge Garland Burrell, Jr has just proven that the system doesn’t work. What more needs to be added to the stew before it’s a meal?

    I would in no way suggest that we take it to any level of violence, but I can envision scenarios that could drive people to violence.

    I don’t recall reading anything that described Siddartha (Buddah is a title – not a name), Jesus, Mohammed, Martin Luther, Gandhi, or Martin Luther King Jr. sitting in a hospital room watching their child wasting away before their eyes – all the while knowing that a sure cure was a simple plant that was so totally illegal that their child must, by law, die – instead of being cured.

    Anybody wanna challenge me on that?

    This is really serious stuff. It’s not just about catching a buzz. Violence could very easily begin to happen out of desperation to catch the attention of the American people and its rabid government.

    If this were a ship at sea, mutiny would be justified because this command can be proven to be irrational to the point of insanity. The topic of this blog is that proof.

    I make my plea to the soldiers of this unjust war on cannabis to stand down. Please stop hurting good people. Stop enforcing insane laws. Know thine enemy – it is not the American people – it is not this simple plant – it is your boss and his playmates. Can’t you see you are simply “paid bullies”? Don’t you understand that a bully is mentally disturbed? Well, how could I expect you to understand that… I don’t give a damn what rank you have reached. If you don’t stand down I can only view you as a traitor to this nation. If you hurt anybody else because of these defective laws, you are a terrorist. Don’t you have orders to disarm and detain terrorists? A paradox like this can only prove the source is insane.

    You know, “Editor’s Note”, Martin Luther King Jr. supported a movement that helped to free a group of people. It quickly became violent, but there was a positive result – even though he gave his life for it. That same form of oppression, persecution, and bigotry exists in the laws opposing cannabis today. The pot is boiling. What could possibly make you think that it won’t bubble over?

    Many people are honestly suffering because of these laws. Hell, the entire country is suffering because of these laws. Every single person in this country is negatively affected in some way by these laws.

    We need to get rid of these laws. As you said, all it takes is a stroke of the pen. Is blood to be the ink? I hope not.

    We need to take a stand. I can only hope and pray we take a step forward in 2012 and manage to stay green. Vote for freedom. Vote us out of this stupid, useless, insane war on cannabis so we can focus on the rest of the world. Vote to help us regain pride in our constitution. Vote like a sane patriot. Dump the junk!

    [Editor’s note:

    I don’t recall reading anything that described Siddartha (Buddah is a title – not a name), Jesus, Mohammed, Martin Luther, Gandhi, or Martin Luther King Jr. sitting in a hospital room watching their child wasting away before their eyes – all the while knowing that a sure cure was a simple plant that was so totally illegal that their child must, by law, die – instead of being cured.

    Anybody wanna challenge me on that?

    You’re a fool and no student of religion (or civil rights) if you think any of these people would justify being violent towards their oppressors. They rightly knew that the high ground is held by the non-violent.

    Please stop trying to sow the seeds of violence on NORML’s webpage when it is neither warranted or moral.

    Just say no to becoming violent to bring about peace.

    Think about it.]

  31. @ Bbbababart – If those of us that advocate for ending marijuana prohibition become violent, it would hurt our cause in a huge way. I understand fully, all of your points, but those who your current describe as bullies (and I’m not disputing that) would use it against us with very dangerous expensive weapons purchased using our tax dollars and as a means to further attack us.

    As much as it sucks, we should all try to play the political game and just get rid of (by voting out) all those who oppose freedom in the name of their personal greed and ignorance.

    All of you reading this should be participating in every friggin’ blog out there advocating for ending prohibition and spouting truth and reason instead of the lies and propaganda our opponents regularly use. Surely, common sense and just will ultimately prevail. In the meantime, it is awful that the bullies have been winning so many battles and that so many have, and continue to, suffer because of them.

    Seriously, I wish that NORML would create a page that would list every person we should vote for and against. I know it’s against the rules for NORML to do so. I think that is because of the non-profit aspect. If that is the case, I suggest changing to a for profit organization. If you did so, and actively helped to get the bums out, I have to wonder if your membership and donations would drastically increase. I continue to look to NORML and like organizations for guidance and help to end the incredible stupidity of our highest elected officials and their cancerous policies.

  32. Editor: Please insert the comment below in place of the one I submitted earlier since I’ve changed a few things and your blog doesn’t allow for any editing once submitted. Thanks!

    @ Bbbababart – If those of us that advocate for ending marijuana prohibition become violent, it would hurt our cause in a huge way. I understand fully, all of your points, but those who you describe as bullies (and I’m not disputing that) would use it against us with very dangerous expensive weapons purchased using our tax dollars and as a means to further attack us on the political front.

    As much as it sucks, we should all try to play the political game and just get rid of (by voting out) all those who oppose freedom in the name of their personal greed and ignorance and with lots and lots of letters, emails, personal appearances, and exposing them for the low-lifes that they are.

    All of you reading this should be participating in every friggin’ blog out there (even the ones that have nothing to do with marijuana) advocating for ending prohibition and spouting truth and reason instead of the lies and propaganda our opponents regularly use. Many people will surely tire of all the marijuana related comments but ultimately the message will get out to everyone including those who typically don’t bother to think about the subject.

    If we all stick together, peacefully, then I believe that common sense and justice will ultimately prevail. In the meantime, it is awful that the bullies have been winning so many battles and that so many continue to suffer because of them.

    Seriously, I wish that NORML would create a page that would list every person we should vote for, against, and why. I know it’s against the rules for NORML to do so… I think that is because of the non-profit aspect. If that is the case, I suggest changing to a for profit organization. If you did so, and actively helped to get the bums out by pointing them out, I have to wonder if your membership and donations would drastically increase.

    I continue to look to NORML and like organizations for guidance and help to end the incredible stupidity of our highest elected officials and their cancerous policies.

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  34. Why do I get the feeling that the editor ignored my last couple of posts? Oh well, I still love you folks at NORML and hope, with all my heart, that your efforts to end prohibition find success real soon – preferably, before I die! I’m approaching 60 years old and have been suffering the govts idiotic policies since the 60s…

  35. Hi Don and Editor,

    Wow… This is a perfect example of how words can be twisted.

    I think you folks have read some things into my posts that are simply not there. I do not support a violent movement as a solution. As Don said, it would be ridiculous and fruitless to do so. We ain’t talkin’ black powder muskets and cast iron cannons no more. My little .38 won’t do squat against a smart bomb. I simply disagreed that your comments made it sound like you felt nobody would think that way. The DEA certainly feels that violence and threats of violence are the way to go. Alex commented about the straw that breaks the camel’s back and it appeared to me that you put him down for that comment by belittling our grievance as being a simple desire to get high. I could very easily see that Alex was not suggesting violece – he was only commenting on some profound observations. As was I. You seem to be just a little out of sync.

    I do not want civil war. I simply bring it forward that the very same reasons for past revolutions and civil war are quite apparent at the moment. These are stressful times. Not only are we dealing with a bad economy, and bogus healthcare – some of us have lost children to a war that will probably not end until all the oil is gone. With all this, our president flat out lies to us, the federal power keeps hurting us over domestic issues, and we have judges like Burrel failing to see the irrationality of it all. We have state laws that we have voted in. We have elected people to help us. But the Federal Government has decided that state laws do not count. How can you expect me to NOT be nervous about these things and why aren’t you?

    What are you suggesting, that I cover my eyes, plug my ears, clamp my mouth shut? This is real stuff – I’m not making it up.

    My words are not dangerous. It is the government itself that is showing some serious instability.

    Now THAT worries me.

    As for the comments about me not knowing anything about religion or civil rights… With the possible exception of Siddhartha Gautama, all the people you mentioned were surrounded by violence and supported civil disobedience. Three of them were murdered. Martin Luther did, indeed, preach violence against the Jews. Muhhamad even started and participated in wars. I know what is in the history books – that would be many stories of “violence”. While I might accept the title of “fool” – I sincerely doubt anyone could be justified in calling me ignorant.

    Once again, I do not want violence – I want the government to get a grip on reality and stop the civil war that, in many respects, has already begun via the violent and unconstitutional acts of many federal agencies. It needs to be stopped now while it is still relatively easy. The Federal Government must surrender the war and adhere to the state laws that have legalized medicinal cannabis. This must happen with votes in 2012. This country can no longer bear the stress of a prohibition enforced by a corrupt judicial system.

    If this reads like a call to arms, then read it again until you understand that I am only making observations and attempting to motivate people to vote in a way that will avoid such a thing. Nobama. Ron Paul for all.

  36. Perpetuating the inequality is why our legislators pass these rules that only apply where a person with authority decides it needs to be applied. We have to keep our prisons and jails occupied to pay for their use and their emotional control of past and future victims.

  37. @Bbbababart – I did not intend that my words go only to you. I referenced your post only because there is a relationship but I never thought you were trying to incite violence. You were expressing anger and frustration – the same kind so very many of us feel. I responded because I believe it is terribly important to remain peaceful and continue to insist on Justice and Freedom!

  38. ron paul,ron paul, ron paul. he sides with the constitution. if we are a peaceful bunch of people, we have to find out who and who doesnt defend the rights of the people. how can you side with hipocrites ?

  39. I hate to say it like this, but why does everyone think that we are going to get any change under the current system structure? I ask this ever so often, and I never get responses! Its like everyone is so in the box they cant think of anything outside the artificial world – they just keep proposing the same ole crap – vote for this person, we need this tax or some other type of BS legislation, donate to that… As long as society operates on contrived ideas like monetary systems and political parties, then we cannot expect rationality in anything that happens. Established societies are always based around supporting elite interest FIRST. And Im really not interested in the “lesser of two evils” or any other bandaid patchwork like we’ve been doing for many years. Its obviously getting worse! Has anyone noticed 1% of the population basically owns the other 99%? Thats part of your problem, yet many of you keep appeasing to the ones who have things exactly the way they want them! No amount of money or votes is going to change whats happening with cannabis (like many of the worlds other problems). When everyone can grow up beyond these outdated, fossilized ideas to operate society, we will then probably start to progress until we can be truly called a civilization. 2012 isnt the end of the world, its the end of an era – we need to end the current paradigm and move onto the new – beyond politics, poverty, and war!

  40. By the way, Im was’nt trying to belittle anyone with my post, I think everyones heart is in the right place – we just need to redirect our efforts so that rational ideas like legal cannabis are not stuck in old fashioned methods of activism

  41. Well. NJ, that is pretty much what the original constitution was designed to do.

    Interestingly, the original supporters of that wonderful document known as “The Constitution” were free to consume cannabis at the time it was written. Not surprisingly, the novel idea of freedom from tyrany came to pass. This happened, of course, without a lot of voting – but with a great loss of blood.

    Unfortunately, the concept and reality of this freedom caused the country to advance so rapidly that the bulk of the nation could not keep up. Science and industry quickly overcame agriculture’s dominance. Tyrany again snuck up on us and took over. Cannabis, which was a catalyst for “out-of-the-box” thought, became conveniently illegal before we even saw the danger of this law coming.

    …and here we are… Trying to scratch our way out of the box again – only, this time, we are at a severe disadvantage. Blood appears to have lost its value. Our only sane option is to vote properly while we still have the freedom to do so.

    All through my life I never thought I would get into politics. Now I feel it is my duty to get involved.

    I’m pushing for Ron Paul because he has a track record of supporting the constitution.

    It might not be a bad idea to put a website together that lists all candidates for all offices in all states – and their agenda. In that way a nationwide effort could be made to block the wrong powers from getting into office.

    The biggest problem is that so few people running for office are actually interested in helping this country. Perhaps we could put a little more emphasis on history in our school system as well. As a youth I found it quite boring. I’m sure there are methods to boost its appeal a bit.

    We could also just throw seeds everywhere and basically overwhelm law enforcement across the country with the job of destroying the plants… Imagine, every single vacant lot filled with cannabis plants – happily cleaning the air for us 🙂 There is some out-of-the-box thinking, NJ.

  42. Government’s crackdown must not correspond with costly failed prolonged marijuana war, so they better read great book of World War-D The case against prohibitionism, A roadmap to controlled re-legalization by Jeffrey Dhywood at http://www.worldwar-d.com US can be victory only with legal hemp!

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