UPDATE!!! You can also read and leave feedback on this post at The Hill’s influential Congress blog here or on Huffington Post here.
“This ain’t your grandfather’s or your father’s marijuana. This will hurt you. This will addict you. This will kill you.”– Mark R. Trouville, DEA Miami, speaking to the Associated Press (June 22, 2007)
Government claims that today’s pot is more potent, and thus more dangerous to health, than ever before must be taken with a grain of salt.
Federal officials have made similarly dire assertions before. In a 2004 Reuters News Wire story, government officials alleged, “Pot is no longer the gentle weed of the 1960s and may pose a greater threat than cocaine or even heroin.” (Anti-drug officials failed to explain why, if previous decades’ pot was so “gentle” and innocuous, police still arrested you for it.)
In 2007, Reuters again highlighted the alleged record rise in cannabis potency, proclaiming, “U.S. marijuana grows stronger than before: report.” Quoted in the news story was ex-Drug Czar John Walters, who warned, “This report underscores that we are no longer talking about the drug of the 1960s and 1970s — this is Pot 2.0.”
Predictably, in 2008 the mainstream news media ran with yet another set of ‘news’ stories alleging that the pot plant’s strength had reached all-time highs. According to a June 12, 2008 Associated Press story:
“The latest analysis from the University of Mississippi’s Potency Monitoring Project tracked the average amount of THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, in samples seized by law enforcement agencies from 1975 through 2007. It found that the average amount of THC reached 9.6 percent in 2007, compared with 8.75 percent the previous year.”
Or not. An actual review of the 2008 U-Miss data revealed this nugget of information: The average THC in domestically grown marijuana — which comprises the bulk of the US market — is less than five percent, a figure that’s remained unchanged for nearly a decade. (See: http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/pdf/FullPotencyReports.pdf, page 12)
Which brings us to this year. Naturally, the Feds are once again sounding the alarm, as reported today by CNN: “Marijuana potency surpasses 10 percent, U.S. says.”
I suppose, if nothing else, the government’s annual “new and improved pot” claims are good advertising for marijuana dealers. As for the rest of the public, it’s time for a reality check.
First, it’s worth noting that police and lawmakers made these same alarmist claims about the suddenly not-as-dangerous-or-strong-as-we-once-said-it-was pot of the 1960s, ’70s, and 80s. These allegations were false then and they are still false now.
Second, THC — regardless of potency — is virtually non-toxic to healthy cells or organs, and is incapable of causing a fatal overdose. Currently, doctors may legally prescribe a FDA-approved pill that contains 100 percent THC, and curiously, nobody at the University of Mississippi or at the Drug Czar’s office seems to be overly concerned about its potential health effects.
Third, survey data gleaned from cannabis consumers in the Netherlands—where users may legally purchase pot of known quality—indicates that most cannabis consumers prefer less potent pot, just as the majority of those who drink alcohol prefer beer or wine rather than 190 proof Everclear or Bacardi 151. When consumers encounter unusually strong varieties of marijuana, they adjust their use accordingly and smoke less.
Finally, if US lawmakers and government researchers were truly concerned about potential risks posed by supposedly stronger marijuana, they would support regulating the drug, so that its potency would be consistent and this information would publicly displayed to the consumer. (Anyone ever been to a liquor store that sold a brand of booze that didn’t post its alcohol content on the label? Didn’t think so.)
So let’s review, shall we? Our federal government ostensibly wants fewer Americans to consume pot. So they spend billions of dollars outlawing the plant and driving its producers underground where breeders, over time, clandestinely develop stronger and more sophisticated herbal strains than ever existed prior to prohibition. The Feds then inadvertently give America’s marijuana growers billions of dollars in free advertising by telling the world that today’s weed is more potent than anything Allen Ginsberg, Tommy Chong or Jerry Garcia ever smoked in their heyday. In response, tens of millions of Americans head immediately to their nearest street-corner in search of a dealer (or college student) willing to sell them a dimebag of the new, super-potent cannabis they’ve been hearing about on TV. The Feds then demand more of your hard-earned tax dollars so they can get more Americans “off the pot.”
Then next year we do it all over again: same time, same station.
Any questions??
that’s just a good ol’ fashion LOL right there…
I feel like we are all taking CRAZY pills!
But then again, any publicity is good publicity…
LOL yea right potency of THC is dangerous. Wait how many people died from marijuana? Oh that is right 0 people. I think Mark R. Trouville, DEA Miami is full of it. I know that on CNBC on the 17th at 11pm CST.
ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS
TOBACCO …………………… 400,000
ALCOHOL …………………… 100,000
ALL LEGAL DRUGS ………….20,000
ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ……….15,000
CAFFEINE …………………….2,000
ASPIRIN ………………………500
MARIJUANA …………………. 0
i’d think more potent pot would actually be healthier since you don’t need to smoke so much. which do you think would be easier on the lungs, a blunt full of shwag or a one hitter packed with some diggidy dank? give me the diggidy dank!
In the early 1970s, during my college years, marijuana was the choice of a large proportion of students in the school. And the most common grass, consistently, was of the one-hit variety. Sure, we could do more, but one hit was all that was needed.
So the tactic–and that’s what it is–of saying that today’s marijuana isn’t your father’s or grandfather’s greas, is true in one aspect: much of it may test weaker than the 1960s or ’70s variety.
That becomes a mute point, and explains why the argument can find use among drugwar advocates–the older plant residue’s cannot be tested. They do not exist any longer. This provides the reasoning, and all we can rely on is on “eyewitness” testimony.
As a historian, advocate of legalization of hemp for full economic use, and former member of the Democratic National Platform Committee, the claim that today’s grass contains much more potent THC does not ring true either from the factual data or from the personal experience of hundreds of thousands of people.
Absolutely brilliant article! How I wish every member of Capitol Hill would read it…
Bravo.
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” — Mahatma Gandhi
No questions here, Paul. I think you summed it up pretty nicely and you backed it all up with facts. I can’t imagine what more anyone could ask for.
Smoking less and enjoying it more?
If Alcohol is so powerful that it kills 100,000 people a year, and Cannabis has never killed anyone on this planet, then why would the government say such stupid things regarding Cannabis?
Well, today’s Cannabis is stronger then it was before – the deaths rates for Cannabis used to be only 0.
So, now Cannabis is stronger – we have now reached a death rate of 0!
Hmm, Sounds Bad…
I wonder if I should switch to Alcohol? NO! – I know what kills people and what doesn’t – even if our government can’t figure it out.
By not allowing Cannabis usage while simultaneously allowing Alcohol usage this country is sickening its own people and retarding its own growth!
One thing that I don’t hear argued enough is this – When Cannabis is legalized, there will be an INCREASE in Cannabis consumption – why? Because most people will choose the SAFE ALTERNATIVE to Alcohol – therefore Alcohol consumption will naturally decrease. My argument is that if Alcohol consumption DECREASES and Cannabis consumption INCREASES that there would be very significant improvements in the Overall Average American Health!
I heard JW saying that Alcohol costs the taxpayers so very much and then he adds, so do you really want more “potheads” out there? -as if Cannabis would have the same destructive effects as Alcohol!
My answer is YES – if there were more Cannabis users than Alcohol users in this country, then this country’s health would be MUCH BETTER than it is now, where the people’s only legal recreational drug is poison (Alcohol).
Legalize Cannabis Now!
potent pot…what how about 40% alochol….anyways however potent might it be it can’t kill you
i started smoking in the late sixies on a marine corps base when the marinies could get a hold of good hash and vietnmise weed it was very good better than the mexican thats around today.The dro we have is comparible. this is just more reefer madness oh! and like dick chaney says we dont torture
They’ve started trotting this one out more and more often. Seems every six months or so the weed doubles in potency. I’m just waitin’ for the day that my weed gets me high just by sitting next to it LOL.
Are these people really so stupid that don’t know how easy it is to rebut these ridiculus claims.
Hell Yes! Keep this articles coming! haha Truth Will Prevail . . !!!
CNN was running this story all day today, I wanted to hit someone.
More potent?
Anyone know where this alleged stuff is?
😛
I could use logic to assume that the new powerful strains of cannabis were brought upon by force, since people don’t want to move a pound of brown compared to an ounce of green.
Stronger weed = Smoking less = Saving money.
Imagine that.
This article is spot on. I think the parallels to alcohol potency need to be emphasized even more.
As the article states, more potent cannabis is similar to distilled liquors, but to a less severe effect.
As a result, you can consume less to achieve the desired effect. A good example would be having 1 beer at 10% alcohol content rather than 2 beers at 5%. If I don’t feel like drinking a whole lot, I have one of the 1% beers.
I just don’t like the out-of-my-mind inebriated state drinking puts me in, let alone the brain cells it destroys.
Cannabis allows me to relax just as having a beer or two would, without all the negative effects of alcohol.
Medical Marijuana is dependant on nothing but the most potent buds. If patients were smoking large amounts of schwag not only would they feel awful, they would be causing more harm to their lungs due to increased smoke inhalation. And not to sound like a pothead or anything but the dank buds are much more enjoyable to smoke than some schwag.
Great blog article!!
Absolutely ridiculous.
“This will kill you.”
Yeah, if you’re talking about your blatant ignorance on the subject of cannabis. Or the fact that you’re trying to grow the size of your force and budget. It kills me that you ask for more money and resources under false pretenses. This statement also kills me.
“Pot is no longer the gentle weed of the 1960s and may pose a greater threat than cocaine or even heroin.”
It’s a wonder you idiots are employed in the first place. As a child, I always assumed that people that were hired to do a job were knowledgeable experts in the specific field that they decided to pursue. That is definitely not the case here.
I want my constitutional right to consume cannabis legally, given back to me and every other “free” American who chooses to do so! No more B.S., no more lies, just get the fuck out of my business!
Won’t this high potency marijuana make users more violent and unproductive? just kidding
Whenever I get the good stuff I ration it. I don’t smoke high strength stuff like the regular. Just like I don’t drink as much liquor versus beer.
Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire pisses me off to no end. Ayotte is the Attorney General in the United States. Please read this great blog about her stumblings with marijuana reform and policy in general:
http://notkellyayotte.blogspot.com/
Its unfortunate that the press doesn’t point out the awfully shady coincidence of this scare tactic and americas growing acceptance of marijuana!!
“This report underscores that we are no longer talking about the drug of the 1960s and 1970s — this is Pot 2.0.”
Lol!! Let me know when the 3.0 comes out, because I am loving the 2.0 so far..
CNN ‘The Situation Room’ just aired some propoganda on how cannabis is “3xs as strong as 10 years ago” and means its “more dangerous”. Flood CNN with facts and refute the hype.
To me having marijuana with different levels of THC is just the same as having alcoholic drinks with different percents of alcohol. They can keep trying to find negatives about marijuana but they just seem to keep insulting their own intelligence, because there really just aren’t any……. Very few people drink the same alcoholic beverages every time they go out, they switch it up once and a while and that is the reason for the different strains of marijuana and different THC content levels. People like a change once in a while and like alcohol trying a different brand or strenght drink or bud gives you a different experience.
Thats some funny shit right there, lol. So funny, yet all so true.
i never thought about comparing chronic weed to hardcore vodka but i guess it makes sense and your absolutely right, people adjust the amount they consume to the potency.
and labeling marijuana like alcohol is a fantastic idea!
legalize weed so i can say “f*ck you” to my dealer and pick up at my local pharmacy and support my community. bring on the change obama!
I don’t understand why potent pot is a problem. It’s actually healthier to smoke more potent cannabis, since the amount of cannabis you would actually need to smoke would be less. Not that it matters anyway if you use a vaporizer.
Hell Yea # 5 Im With You
BUT I GOTTA GIVE MY THANKS TO NORMAL AND ALLLLLLL THE PPLE THAT BLOG WE GOTTA F**KEN DO THIS THIS YR OR NEXT
You know that the DEA is sweating bullets when they start with the killer pot stories. It is so funny to watch these guys shoot themselves in the foot over and over. These guys don’t understand that NO ONE BELIEVES A WORD THEY SAY. They have alienated everyone with their bully tactics. The minute they or any other politico says something like “It sends the wrong message to the children”. Everyone stops listening. They just don’t get that lying to the children about marijuana to promote their own twisted rightwing police/prison state is the wrong message. As far as pot being stronger. I sure hope so. Hey have you heard this one? How many DEA Agents does it take to throw a suspected marijuana user down the stairs? None! they said he fell. Hilarious huh? Peace to all you people.
There’s only so much potency any strain can achieve. It’s not like people are genetically enhancing or mutating these plants to alter the content — they’re just growing the good strains in optimal indoor conditions! We really need to let everyone know that!
By the way kickass artical ALLLLLL TRUTH
more potent pot = healthier pot
the less smoke you inhale the better shape your lungs are in
Lets just say it’s true and pot is more potent then ever before, maybe dangerous.. To me that’s just more reason to legalize it, If weeds not regulated Whats to stop the number from increasing in 10 more years, it’s clear people wont stop smoking MJ. And lets not forget the people growing this “super weed” or the same ones that dont check ID’s when they sell, easy for kids to get aye…
just saw a few min clip on Wolf Blitzer, CNN, all about this issue of oooooooohhhhh how dangerous the “new pot” is….they were just able to spew more fear across the airwaves…scientific research from the government pot masters from the University of Mississippi, the only FedStapo licensed research facility in USA. I’m sure you’ll will hear the sound bites soon enough. The story line ended with the statement: “The scientist here don’t take a position on the legalization of marijuana, but the research they are doing will certainly have an impact on that debate” …..oh really…shakin’ in my boots…been using my medicine for over 40 years, maybe they should study me, and all those other similar folks,from the 60’s, who never lost their thirst for the incredible benefits of Cannabis. Kinda hard to do though, cause we would all be arrested…so today I see the continuation of more lies and propaganda, on major airways, and it hurts knowing how hard of a struggle it will be for truth to prevail. Hope everybody understands that CNN,FOX,MSNBC all owned by Wall Street…controlled by banks…uh…ho-hum…one more obvious attempt, by the mainstream media, to show their desire in continuing Cannabis Prohibition. Oh, and of course they are sooooooooooo concerned with our health and safety…Kiss my bazuba…Legalize the Cannabis plant now !!! Tell me, for all those who have never used the Cannabis plant, what gives you the right to study or debate this issue at all ?
Once again NORML dominates
I have been smoking since 1971 and this is the biggest bull crap. The high is no different other than lasting a little longer.
GET THOSE COMMERCIAL OUT AND TELL THE TRUTH!!!!
What is really sad is that this is NOT the only thing the government uses ridiculous propaganda for.
Ron Paul 2012
campaignforliberty.com
Let hit them where it counts let all the marijuana smokers vote every incumbent out of office. We need to build a voting block and stop this attitude they know better then us.
And they know this, how? Do they smoke it? I haven’t noticed any difference. But when I do get better stuff, it goes for *more doses* not more intoxication.
Hey, NORML, edit your post to include the fact that the 10% average was taken from a whopping TWELVE SAMPLES!!! Haha, what a CREDIBLE study! check the PDF out!
Also, notice how they don’t offer the highest THC sample provided and the lowest for all the dates back to the 70’s! High potency shit has ALWAYS been around!
I’d rather smoke pot that’s legal and regulated, especially for me, a person in unbearable pain from a severe spinal cord injury from an epileptic seizure. I don’t want to have such a hard time locating a source or prosecuted for using pot for medical purposes.
I hate the govt’s stream of lies. Are they arresting users just to keep their private prisons full? What an industry that is!
I have never had trouble regulating mu use of pot and am glad it is now of better quality than ever. And the line we are all fed by the DEA is something out of a Simpson’s episode where Maude constantly screams “What about the children?!!!” If pot were given by prescription, we wouldn’t have to worry.
This is a good thing…
Who wants dirt weed like the the gov’t grows?
It’s good to hear about all the marijuana myths of the government/media being debunked, I just wish the truth could be told on a larger scale.
Doesn’t the vaporizer method only extract the thc from the plant matter and not expose a person to the more harmful things of smoke? Isn’t Marinol pure synthetic THC? Aren’t most drugs that we purchase at the drug store pure and free from impurities? Someone explain to me why potency is bad.
There needs to be more discussion about what pot does and doesn’t do to your system. I recently got into such a discussion with my older brother who last smoked pot in the 70’s and has always been somewhat amused by my continuance of pot smoking. I was surprised, since he has smoked and knows what it feels like, when he made the comment to the effect that 1) people drink alcohol to be social but smoke pot to get high (huh?) and 2) that marijuana intoxication is comparable to alcohol intoxication (double huh?)
I couldn’t tell if he was doing the Howard Stern thing and purposely taking an asshole position or if he was serious. But he reflects a lingering misunderstanding about marijuana.
I wouldn’t dream of skateboarding after a single drink, but smoke me up on the best stuff you got and watch me fly.
You have to have a good sense of humor to endure this never ending war against pot smokers. While we get a good laugh from all the DEA’s attempts to LEAD the People to safety, almost half of Americans believe the DEA’s statements. Hence, the pot wars are peeked and statistics show marijuana will be legal very soon for personal use.
Its absolutely unreal how many people will just believe what they are told from the news, come on, lets think it takes about an hour to go on the internet or a library and find enough legitimate information to conclude that THC is not capable of killing you. Anyone with half a brain knows enough to question this type of negative propaganda. I think that this negative view of us “Pot heads” or “dopers” is just disgusting, they treat us like a disease that needs to be treated and killed.
Dr. James Stevenson M.D Harvard
From CNN’s clip today:
The stronger marijuana is of particular concern because high concentrations of THC have the opposite effect of low concentrations, officials say.
So what in the hell do they think they mean by this???
They are pulling bullshit out of thin air. This is a ludicrous statement.
We all need to keep calling them out on this crap. Respond to each and every allegation these liars keep spewing. Keep hammering away with the truth until these mountains of lies come crashing down around their ears.
End cannabis prohibition. End it now.
Also, on CNN they showed a picture of the governments cannabis growing vault (it literally looked like a bank vault) where I swear to God it looked like the “high grade cannabis” they were growing for research purposes looked for all the world like industrial hemp. No wonder they think the THC content has gone up. It also explains why they say it has no medicinal value. It showed 5 gallon buckets of ground plant material that they said they had sieved to remove the stems and seeds. What does that tell you?
People compete in the Netherlands to make strong weed, and it still doesn’t kill anyone. Its a plant that doesn’t hurt anyone and makes many people feel good. Legalize it.
Another problem that exists with their tests and statistics is that they can be twisted and skewed to however you want to present them.
For example: did you know that cigarette smokers have less 2nd heart attacks than non-smokers do?
That is because more cigarette smokers die from their first heart attack.
Tired of the b.s., just legalize. Freedom now!
i L O V E THC~
Typical DEA b.s. It would seem the DEA is running scared because so many States are going for Medical Marijuana AND the majority of Americans are for legalizing and taxing weed! Time for them to spew out total bullshit, HOPING the uninformed will fall for the lies. I’m sure we are in for lots more of this total nonsense..the CLOSER we get to winning the “war on people” the more lies they will puke out!!!!!
Let me see if I got this correctly. The Federal Government has run up the warning flags because marijuana is more potent than it used to be, and therefore the “active ingredient” is unpredictable.
The Feds have similar issues with many of their “legal drugs.” Pay a short visit to http://www.fda.gov/medwatch.
To quote that site:
AS Medication Solutions, LLC, a drug repackage company, announced today that all tablets of Caraco brand Digoxin, USP, 0.25 mg, distributed prior to March 31, 2009, which are not expired and are within the expiration date of August, 2011, are being voluntarily recalled to the consumer level. The tablets are being recalled because they may differ in size and therefore could have more or less of the active ingredient, digoxin.
Digoxin is a heart medication. Here is a warning the government SHOULD be broadcasting right beside the recall notice:
Many digoxin side effects are dose dependent and happen when blood levels are over the narrow therapeutic range. Therefore, digoxin side effects can be avoided by keeping blood levels within the therapeutic level. (http://www.medicinenet.com/digoxin/article.htm)
And here is another one:
FDA and Watson Pharmaceuticals notified healthcare professionals and patients of a recall of Propafenone HCL 225 mg tablets, a drug product used to treat cardiac arrhythmias. The drug is being recalled because some tablets may contain slightly higher levels of the active ingredient than specified. Because it has a narrow therapeutic index, some patients who are particularly sensitive to small variations in dose may experience potentially serious side effects, including arrhythmias (irregular heartbeat) or low blood pressure
And more useful information:
Bodee LLC and FDA notified consumers and healthcare professionals of a nationwide recall of all the company’s supplement product sold under the name Zencore Plus. FDA lab analysis of Zencore Plus samples found the product contains benzamidenafil, an undeclared drug product and a PDE5 inhibitor. The use of Zencore Plus by an unsuspecting user of organic nitrates may pose a life-threatening risk of sudden and profound drop of blood pressure due to potential interaction between benzamidenafil and organic nitrates. Zencore Plus is sold in health food stores and by mail order on internet nationwide. Consumers who have this product in their possession should stop using it immediately.
Three drugs, page one of the medwatch site – ALL of which have serious – even LIFE THREATENING complications… and CNN warns us that samples of pot might contain more (non-lethal at ANY level) THC than other samples did.
Thanks CNN. The nation can sleep more soundly knowing you are on watch, keeping us safe from the dreaded cannabis monster.
As we have evolved as a community of cannabis connoisseurs, the strains have evolved with us. They are more potent now because we see it’s medical use and strains are created for potent medicinal effects.
Regulating the dosage of cannabis is no different than any other medication.
As for the legal growers out there, few know that some of you are on the cutting edge of hydroponic/aeroponic technology. As an industry and a lifestyle, we are
now making news every day. Keep spreading the word, support Norml and any local group trying to make a pro-cannabis change in your state.
We have the momentum, and we are bringing 70 years of credible scientific and medical research to the table.
Let’s DEBATE!!!.
The last paragraph of this article gave me a good chuckle. The rigmarole of American government in their constant barrage of negative Cannabis propaganda is so transparent by now. They’ve been doing it for a few decades. Even in my paltry 23 years of life, I’m starting to notice the same information get recycled and refurbished as “new research”.
The more herb man smoke, the more Babylon falls!
Robert Nesta Marley
we should send these articles to the news channels! Maybe they will start to catch on all this propaganda . the news has never been talking so openly about marijuana like it has in the past few months! I really hope that we can change these laws sooner then later! the government is fucking ridicolous, let us make our own fucking decisions, especially over what may just be the safest substance known to man!
CNN looks like it is sinking to the level of being just a shill for the ONDCP. I don’t think were going to be seeing much more positive journalism on this topic.
🙁
Video of CNN Anderson Cooper’s videos on THC are posted here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrNbmVqyu8I
~ Green Devil
Man. This stuff just makes me bummed out. I can’t understand why anyone would work this hard, and spend this much money to keep it illegal. SOMEONE SOMEWHERE is making money off of the “war on drugs,” even though they may not call it that now thanks to the new drug czar. It’s all so messed up. I thoroughly enjoy smoking. THOROUGHLY. And I can’t understand why anyone would take a fat rip and be like “man this shit is terrible. I feel like shit. I want to kill my grandmother.”
The man is going to get it soon.
If strong potent pot can kill, where’s the bodies?
i got in a debate with my grandfather, he is so hypcritical, he thinks because its illegal its bad, its worse than alchohol, hes brainwashed, by propganda, he watched it on the news today, lol, he believes everything he sees on television, that goddamn former drug czar, is a, go goddamn, fucking fraud of a lier, i hope he rotts
why arent we all able to come together enough to make it happen (legalization) never the less (decriminalization)of cannibis i confused i really wanna know what will it ake to make this matter a reality ive waited for so long but my state …… oklahoma is like one of the worst states in the usa any amount pretty much gets you a felony even a seed i know that has happened to me i have a pending felony over a seed on my record now i cant get a good job
Did anyone check out the website, “http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/pdf/FullPotencyReports.pdf”
stated in the article? Notice on page 12, the %THC for 2008 skyrockets to 10%, up from 5%. Now go up one page, to 11, and notice that they only have 12 samples for 2008, as compared to 600 – 1000 from other years. How tricky is that?
What is funny is see the dangerous side effects from alcohol vurses marijuana at the most potent level of THC. Alcohol is worse even at 30% proof while the worst thing with marijuana at 30% THC would what at the worst give you a case of the munchies. Better yet how many deaths is caused from marijuana vurses alcohol?
ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS
TOBACCO …………………… 400,000
ALCOHOL …………………… 100,000
ALL LEGAL DRUGS ………….20,000
ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ……….15,000
CAFFEINE …………………….2,000
ASPIRIN ………………………500
MARIJUANA …………………. 0
From Gospel of Sri ramakrishna,
Master: “One should keep pictures of holy men in one’s room. THat constantly quickens divine ideas.”
BANNERJI: “I have your picture in my room; also the picture of a sadhu living in the mountains, blowing on a piece of lighted charcoal in a bowl of hemp.” **
MASTER: ” It is true that one’s spiritual feelings are awakeneed by looking at the picture of a sadhu. It is like being reminded of the custard-apple by looking at an imitation of one, or like stimulating the desire for enjoyment by looking at a woman. Therefore i tell you that you should constantly live in the company of holy men.
(to Bannerji) “You know very well the suffering of the world. You suffer whenever you accept enjoyment. As long as the kite kept the fish in its beak, it was tormented by the flock of crows.
** Many wandering hindu monks smoke Indian hemp.
** Now Sri Ramakrishna is a revered saint in the hindu religion, ill take his advice over some government anytime. gg…
In a way, this can be considered accurate–
Twenty years ago, annual marijuana death was at a level of zero per year.
Ten years ago, that number doubled!
And now, it’s at a staggering rate of ten times that amount!
Let’s see, how much does that make…
Great article Paul. You dissect through the hype and propoganda like a surgeon cutting out the tumor and showing the world for the cancer it is. This is why I want to see you on TV debates and the Schwarzenegger Cali debates. Paul, keep it up, your a real cannabis hero of mine !
Jerry I was thinking the samething. Also I was wondering if anyone knew if vaporizers extract cannabinoids other than THC like CBD or does the vapor just contain THC ?
Jerry I was thinking the samething. I was wondering if anyone knew if vaporizers extract cannabinoids other than THC like CBD or does the vapor just contain THC ? Does anyone know where to find real good info on vaporizers and which ones are best to buy ? thanx
Ugh, do you have any idea how much extra late night revenue mcdonalds and taco bell would get if it was legalized from users getting the munchies?
just a thought.
I love how they claim that stuff is the “norm” when most people would be truly grateful to get a constant supply like that.
They confiscate more than that to do a true sampling for their data but choose not to. As someone else mentioned, its in the data set they showed. Small sample, excluded exceptions, little or no consideration for outside feedback, no overseas samples in comparison, etc.
I’ve yet to come across someone who had a supplier for Maui-Wowy, Columbian Trip, Columbian Gold, Jamacian Trip, etc (old names from a by-gone era folks) tell me that this current high grade and commercial stuff is somehow 5 or 10 times more potent. I’ve laughed at these claims myself for several decades and truly wondered where and what they were sampling.
Not to mention just how expensive/hard to cultivate a good strain is. They assume in their efforts to scare people away from it. I would think most field growers would be seeing lower percentage yields when trying to harvest in bulk in the long term. Especially since selling you twice as much of the same product for the same price as the boutique cannabis would be their best commercial bet.
*shrug* More of the same. The news outlets love this stuff. It gets them their “fear juice” for the day.
Spend some time debunking this stuff on their sites as well. The more people hear it being questioned the less of an impact this will have.
So what got more air time: We dont want a war on our people, or this Pot 2.0 BS?
LOL…this is getting better every day…my dad…a retired ex-state dick tells me stories all the time about him and his buddies going to the N.C. coast and picking up some Panama Bud in a burlap bag that would “kill ya”…he didnt mean actual death…he ment puff puff pass the f$ck out!….i have never had anything like that in my life and ive been smoking pot for 14 years..i always get the crap bud that everyone else gets….
Will S., you are right on. If the founding fathers of our country were here today, they would be buying ammunition.
I personally don’t think weed is any more potent than it was 40 years ago when I had my first toke. This super potent argument, I seem to recall, was used some 20 years ago to scare the public.
Cool you can roll smaller doobies…..
LEGALIZE REGULATE TAX
END THE WAR ON US (DRUGS)
Just the latest in a long line of lies to keep illegal. Lets face it the major pharmaceutical companies will fight this with all the have, and the have allot….
Well this is just another smear campaign, but sadly for them we aren’t the same generation as the 30’s. We use our logic and reasoning freely with out the fear of being a “communist”. Think if cannabis was legal, could you imagine how strong it would be? It’s capitalism at it’s best, you have to make a more potent (“better”) product to compete with your counterpart. What puzzles me is whether or not these people believe what they are saying.
Lmao I lust say!!! Your blog cut right to the chase Love it!! Smh Why did i see a commercial talking about marijuana …can cause deadly driving can result in death….needless to say I neva laughed so hard in my life!!!
You tell me 1 person who has died from “SMOKING Marijuana’ NOT Selling it, SMOKING IT!!!!
lol i think this cop confused the words tobacco with marijuana, i mean seriously, there are only 2 reasons why the american government wouldnt make tobacco illegal, 1. money, many big tobacco companies fund the people in government, 2. they would use the hitler card , any one who would allow tobacco use would automatically be compaired to hitler and his non-smoking rules, of course to hide fact 1 they would use fact 2 the poloticians would say well in germany in the 1930s-1940s some one else wanted non-tobacco laws, ect… and try to draw attention away that alot of money is used in polotics from tobacco, sad but true very sad but very true
opps i meant wouldnt up there sorry
FACT: Problem drinkers consume more alcohol from beer and wine beverages than hard liquor. This certainly doesn’t support the argument against higher strength weed.
Higher THC (and other cannabinol)concentrations just mean less consumption of plant material for the same medical benefits.
So, what’s the problem with higher THC concentrations?
Ok, wait a minute. I’m 25 years old, I know many baby boomers, who smoked in the 60-70’s. Every one of them complain that the pot now days is complete garbage compared to what they had in the 60-70’s. Not only was it better in those two decades, it was also much cheaper. If anything, quality has gone down due to lack of being controlled, and with quality going down, prices have gone up. We have had an “inflatin” in the black market lol, so to speak. And yet we still get our hands on it, reguardless of price. Hey, big brother, WAKE UP and smell the bud, because it isn’t going away any time soon. God made all seed bearing plants for food, and at one time, before man made drugs, food was medicine. We were intended to use it, one way or another, for food. Just like the FDA don’t want to admit that an all natural diet and a body PH level of alkaline is the best way to fight off disease, viruses and parasites. If people did that, Big Pharma would go out of business, and the FDA would have lost its biggest stakeholder. Its all about money. And money equals power. Its sickening.
I think the environmental protection agency needs to get their hands in this mess. The goverment is trying to eradicate a plant species, and in doing so could have an effect on the enviromment. All the EPA knows is growers that grow in the wild are destroying the areas with trash and chemicals. COOPERATION between the DEA, EPA and a policy shift would solve both the problems. Why cant us lower life forms be elected to implement common sence into this country?
They were like: OMGz NOOBZ weed will PWN YOU!!!!1!!
And I was like: lolwut?
To show you how our government addreses the topic and where they get their information, check this
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS-RL33211
or go here and download the report in pdf format
http://wikileaks.org/leak/crs/RL33211.pdf
This is the Congressional Research Oficce’s Report for Congress titled:
Medical Marijuana: Review and Analysis of Federal and State Policies updated November 10, 2008
You don’t have to go much past page one to find out which direction this report is tilting, considering it is prepared by:
Mark Eddy
Specialist in Crime Policy
Domestic Social Policy Division
I’ll let anyone judge the report who wishes to do so, but is it not interesting that a report on medicinal cannabis would be authored by a specialist in crime policy!
This is one silly square dance we’re doing. If there weren’t so many lives hurt by our ineffective policy it might be funny
I LOVE when the DEA takes to the airwaves. The DEA does more to prove the points of prohibition opponents than we could possibly hope to do on our own. If the people they are most worried about are the KIDS, what is their answer as to why it is so easy for KIDS to OBTAIN marijuana? Prohibition doesn’t work, and the demand for the product is shaping how it is produced. I smoked some very potent marijuana in college on one occasion. One hit and I was done. I didn’t WANT any more. The lesser potent varieties were the ones that took more to achieve the desired effect. When looking at the amount of tobacco in a cigarette versus the minuscule amount of pot it takes to get high, it’s hard to swallow the “more carcinogens” arguments. Especially considering the research that is showing marijuana to be effective in combating cancer.
I also loved how they pointed out the there is ONE facility in the U.S. dedicated to marijuana research. WHY IS THIS? WHY DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE PATENTS ON MARIJUANA FOR THERAPEUTIC USE??!!
#76 Emerald Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 12:35 am
Jerry I was thinking the samething.
I was wondering if anyone knew if vaporizers
extract cannabinoids other than THC like CBD
or does the vapor just contain THC ?
Does anyone know where to find real good info on vaporizers
and which ones are best to buy ? thanx
RE:
Emerald,
Vaporizers DO volatize other cannabinoids besides THC,
based upon their vaporization-temperatures.
(CBD has a higher volatization-temperature than THC).
For more info SEE:
Properties of Cannabinoids
Generally,
CONVECTION vaporizers,
(Utilizing warm-air stream,
such as the Volcano or the VaporGenie),
are preferable over
CONDUCTION vaporizers,
(Glass-domed HOT-PLATE, whip-vaporizers; e.g. BC-Vape).
because
CONVECTION-VAPORIZERS provide
consistent, controllable, EVEN-HEATING,
whereas
CONDUCTION-VAPORIZERS end up scorching some
of the botanical closest to conduction-plate,
and not heating remainder
sufficiently to produce vapor.
MORE INFO:
(On vaporizers and vapor-quality)
See Wikipedia Article…
Vaporizer
The average potentcy of cannabis in this country has increased over the years, another of the many unintended consequenced of prohibition. This largely means that users simply moderate dose by consuming less to yield the same effects. Unfortunately, most cannabis is smoked, not consumed by more health conscious means such as by using a vaporizor or food and drink preparations. Therefore, those concerned with public health should logically see increased potency as a very good thing, since less is smoked. It is the smoke, not the cannabis, which poses a measurable health risk. Please note that cannabis at least somewhat available decades ago was was every bit as potent, if not more so, than any available now. Back then, after two or three puffs of Thai-stick, you still knew your name, but why bother? In context, the “more potent” point expressed by prohibitionists is just another dubious argument in support a horribly failed policy. The truth is, prohibitionists are largely responsible for the very increased potency they now decry. But then, prohibitionists are also responsible for numerous dangerous drugs being readily available to our children, by keeping those drugs in the hands of criminal drug profiteers. Prohibitionists are also responsible for wasting more than a trillion dollars of public funds in a failed attempt to carry out a policy that can never work. Prohibitionist drug policy has also degraded the domestic tranquillity of several allied nations. This same policy continues to violate the Constitutional, God given rights of millions of American citizens. The facts proving prohibitionists’ catastrophic failures go on, and on and on. Prohibitionists can never get their facts straight, as the facts, and therefore truth, simply proves they should be tried and put in prison for their crimes against humanity. Most prohibitionists think cannabis is a drug, when in fact it is a plant, a common shrub. Most prohibitionists think ethanol is not a drug, because it is legal. This is why they often use the phraise “drugs and alcohol.” Prohibitionists obviously live in a very “special” world; I just wish they would stop trying to make it part of my world where objectively verifyable, inclusive facts are the truth based upon which I freely choose to live. By the way, if Marijuana is a “gateway drug,” where are prohibitionists hiding all the tens of millions of heroin addicts? In short, prohibitionists and their ilk are full of shit.
BS! My father was in the coast guard during vietnam, the shit he got from Jamaica and other ports they went to was good strong stuff (so he says.) He recently tried some and said it sucked compared to the old stuff. Maybe he got some crap, but the Jamaican stuff was dirt cheap (got a large garbage bag full for $5!)
John Walters Lied on CNN Last night
by MPP’s Bruce Mirken
On Thursday night’s edition of “Anderson Cooper 360,” former drug czar John Walters and I were interviewed separately about a new government report claiming an increase in average potency of marijuana seized by law enforcement (we’ll have a video link posted soon). I pointed out an obvious fact: When the marijuana is more potent, users smoke less, just as people typically drink a much smaller quantity of bourbon than of beer. Thus, higher-potency marijuana doesn’t necessarily mean users take in more THC. And, given that the most significant health issue connected to marijuana is the respiratory harm from smoke, smoking less to get the same effect is clearly healthier.
Asked about this, Walters said flatly, “There is no evidence of that.”
He lied. I know this won’t be a huge shock to faithful readers of this blog, but I think it’s worth putting the facts on the record.
In a study titled “Vaporization as a Smokeless Cannabis Delivery System: A Pilot Study,” ( http://www.nature.com/clpt/journal/v82/n5/abs/6100200a.html ) published in May 2007 by the journal Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics, University of California researchers looked at smoking and vaporization using marijuana of 1.7%, 3.4% and 6.8% THC. Because the idea of the study was to compare smoking and vaporization, participants were guided through a standardized puff procedure.
Although the high-strength marijuana was four times as potent as the weakest, it produced a peak plasma THC level only about 20% higher, smoked or vaporized. This, the researchers wrote, suggests that either less is absorbed at the higher potency levels or there is “self-titration of THC intake,” meaning that “smokers adapt their smoking behavior to obtain desired levels of THC.” Among the evidence for self-titration, researchers found that their subjects tended “to take more puffs at lower THC concentrations” — despite having been given a fairly regimented smoking procedure to follow. Similarly, the subjective “high” reported by participants was only modestly more intense at 6.8% THC than at 1.7%.
Prohibitionists are entitled to their own opinions. They aren’t entitled to invent their own facts.
One final note: I was disappointed that perhaps the most important thing I said to the interviewer didn’t get on the air. If potency is a concern, there is an obvious solution: Regulate marijuana as we do alcoholic beverages, and require the cannabinoid levels to be listed on the label. If consumers know what they’re getting — as they do now with beer, wine, or Bacardi 151 — they can adjust their behavior to avoid unpleasant surprises.
We need a firm face to face to face debate CNN,MPP,NORML and who ever else to set fact straight and call out the liers. What a messed up nation we are in . Thought it was suppose to be we the people and not we the govt.
The whole argument over “increased potency” in cannabis is falsely posed. The only reason that it appears that the street potency of cannabis has increased is because of the introduction of Indica and Indica strains into the western black market. Cannabis Indica is actually the more traditional way of consuming Cannabis as a recreational drug. Indica is the variety most traditionally used for the production of hashish which used to be the only way you could really get the stuff if you wanted to smoke Cannabis as a psychoactive substance. It was really the only economic way of distributing it. Trying to distribute loose leaf and flower together required more technologically advanced packaging and delivery systems, like plastic bags and rolling papers. Furthermore, the leaf of cannabis is the least potent part and those distributing cannabis sell on the basis of potency. In a more liberal and commercial market, the leaf would qualify as an adulterant in the distribution of cannabis for its psychoactive effect.
The stuff of the sixties was nothing more than the tailings of hemp growing operations using Cannabis Sativa from south of the US and Mexico border. When hemp growers stripped off the leaves and flowers of their **marijuana** plants for purposes of hemp production, some enterprising individuals bagged the stuff and shipped it north into the black market where reefer had established itself as a counter culture institution. Who it was that first started consuming leaf and flower together as cigarettes is something we deserve to know, but in any case, the introduction of Indica has become independent of the consumption of hashish and, in fact, hashish itself in the west is just as likely to be the product of Sativa as it is Indica. And also the consumers on the western black markets look to “bud” or the flower alone and eschew the consumption of leaf as unworthy of attention. The stems and seeds that used to accompany an ounce of marijuana are history as near as I can tell and so are the leaves. It used to be you might be very lucky if you got a lot of flower, now you don’t expect anything else.
So two things have made it look like street cannabis has increased in potency: The introduction of the more potent strain, Indica, and the increased emphasis on the the most potent part of the plant, the flower, for purposes of consumption.
I challenge the DEA to show us the bodies.
boy, these people are really grabbin at straws to gather their support. im tellin ya. thing is they have no idea how it is especially for those of us who are responsible about its use….gee, if only we could gather these unfortunate people in a huge building and every day for say….a week, get em all a buzz on this wicked weed. only then, will they know the truth. only then, would they know the benefit that the remedy could bring them. ill bet then…. they would be lookin at the real drug issue that is erroding our country. the people that are manufacturing the highs that are ruining our society. dammit, leave herb out of this man made mess!
Looks like the DFAF is trying to lead people astray again on Change.org. Here’s their group:
http://www.change.org/drug_free_america_foundation_inc
…..and, this guy mark is probably responsible for the commercial bout the kid in the emergency room with his fist jammed in his mouth…..lol such bullshit
The only people that benefit from the prohibition of cannabis is the pharmacutical companies, lumber yards, oil industry, and our overcrowded prison systems.
Once we can get more power then all of these people combined, then we can consider legalizing cannabis. Unfortunatly, we do not have the billions of dollars these guys have to even stand a chance in battle. Or rather the support of the nation. As a great man once said “the common mans a fool.”
This is not an issue of how potent cannabis is, or how it can benefit you medically. This is an issue of your rights as an individual. I know the medical benefits of cannabis are in fact amazing, I would know becuase I have been smoking it for 7 years of my 22 year existance. But it isn’t about that, this is about the government trying to tell us what we can or cannot put in our bodies. It has to stop, how can we call this a free country when our people are made into criminals every 25 seconds?
If we want some real results, we have to take to the streets in masses. Smoking joints, snapping bongloads, and passing blunts. Make it show that we are the ones with the power, we have the numbers, and they cannot arrest us all!
screw it…i say someone from NORML.com or mpp.org run for President in 2012…..VOTE FOR NORML
The study is bullshit statistics. A typical sample size has to be at least 100 to be statistically significant, and I think 300 is another good plateau but this study only had 12 SAMPLES for the 2008 year. In 2009 there 852 samples and the THC concentration for domestic samples was 4.78 This is terrible science to publish 10% THC concentration as a significant stat when there were only 12 samples. READ page 16 of the FUll potency report
“This will kill you.”– Mark R. Trouville, DEA Miami. PROVE IT. Don’t talk the talk if you can’t walk the walk, ‘Trouville,’ if that IS your real name! Prove it! Prove to me you can die from smoking cannabis! Go ahead, I’ll wait!
Read tinyurl.com/1mn and tinyurl.com/potconviction the first being a speech to the California Judges’ Association before the 1995 law was passed legalizing medicinal cannabis, the 2nd being the first 9 chapters of work to be included in “The Marijuana Conviction,” available now at half.com!
It’s not a war on (some) drugs, it’s a war on minorities! After the north won the civil war and outlawed slavery, corrupt, racist uncle sam outlawed the *NATURALLY GROWING* drugs that minorities were using so they could replace slave labor with prison labor!
I am sooo sick of this crap!! Our government officials do nothing but lie about everything they do. I’m not just talking about these lies about cannibis but everything from cannibis to torture. Have ya all been watching the news the last few months. It’s one lie after another. They must be held accountable for the lies they tell everyday. The sins of the corrupt will be seen by all.I can almost see the strings when they talk,somewhere in the background some one or something is pulling the strings.Now with that said,on to the subject at hand.
I can remember just back in the 80’s one joint of premo could get 5 or 6 people a good buzz. No problem,we just smoked less. More addicting? BULLSHIT!! I’ll explain that in a second.
I went through some very tough emotional losses in the past couple years.Lost father and grandmother to cancer from asbestos and cigarettes. Shortly after wife cheated on me,we divorced. There after lost my job thanks to our governments bullshit! Ive been an emotional reck in that time(I’m fine now). I have tried several pharm anti-deppressants all of which were driving me closer to suicide. I weened my self off them because the side effects were worse than the problem I was having.After getting off those god aweful drugs ,I started smoking cannibis again after 10 or 12 years of not doing so. I did so because from past experience I knew it would help my depression. I smoked it for about 2 months and decided to stop because I was feeling much better. I STOPPED COLD TURKEY!!
Now I will explain my previous “addicting”BULLSHIT!” statement.
If cannibis was so damned addicting why am I not selling everything I have to get more? One night I sat down and smoked a whole 1/8 bag .Why am I not dead? I’ll tell you why. IT WONT KILL YOU!! I sleep very good that night!
Our drug warriors and government officials see thier jobs slipping away,along with the billions they take for “THE WAR ON AMERICANS”. With all the lies they spew everyday,how can we be sure they are using that money on this god aweful war?
The day of accountablility IS coming.The day we regain our freedoms IS coming. Let them lie,it’s coming back around to haunt them all.
THC in any amount will not kill a person. However, a single bullet from a DEA agent kicking in the wrong door during a no-knock drug raid at the wrong address has been known to kill people.
Joey Says:
May 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Joey!~ Thats an awesome thought. How would our governmenrt react if many thousands walked down the street in a “GOVERNMET SMOKE OUT!” bongs in hand. Any 912er’s out there?
oh please i want more potent pot so i smoke less of it..anything u do smoke is bad for your lungs so why not smoke less if u have to
oh these government officials are so full of crap! beer is beer and whisky is whisky!! i’m with zack give me the diggidy dank! we will all smoke legal soon… oh happy days…
No matter how THC a cannbis bud contains it is still no where near as harmful as alcohol and tobacco.
Public health concern….don’t try to concern my life when I’m on my own property and not bothering anyone. I don’t tell the government how to run their lives when they go home for the day, why should they feel they have the right to. The government can piss off and stay out of my life. As long as I’m not hurting someone else they can mind their own business.
All I see right now is a friking run around, and why the hell did the the government choose Dobbs or whatever his dilbert looking ass’s name is as the presidential speaker….I’d like to see him try and take my phone from me.
Legalize already for God’s sake, what the hell is going on?
(>^_^)><//////W~~~~~~ Excuse me while I light my spliff!!! Haaaaa Haaaaa Haaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaa
The possibility that today’s pot is more potent than yesterday’s pot is irrelevant when you consider that most people aren’t going to great lengths to get extremely intoxicated by the herb. If they were, why would the vast majority of smokers typically use joints, blunts, or bowls rather than bongs? How many people abuse Dronabinol, the 100% THC drug? They could put it over the counter and I bet few people with access to marijuana would abuse it.
I am tired of all the bull shit we are adults…
Treat us like adults!!!!
CFH
For me, the fact that marijuana is stronger, is a real benefit. Because of the quality of bud, I can take just a few hits to relax and have a pleasant high. I don’t have to smoke a whole joint or several bowls, so the wear and tear of smoking is minimized. I bet research would show that smokers of high-potency weed smoke significantly smaller amounts, thus reducing lung damage.
Oh, and getting addicted has nothing to do with marijuana… it’s a personality trait. I have smoked on and off throughout the past 37 years and have never once felt compelled to smoke… with several periods of 1-2 years off. The reason I return, other than pure love and respect for the plant, is the joyful social experience of smoking with friends and loved ones.
I can see why all the lies and bull shit its all about money. But the time has come we must overcome the power of all the money against weed. It does too much damage to our country and destroys kids lives. The War on US (drugs) has to end. This is America and we deserve the freedom our for fathers had.
We need to stop the money paid our representatives that makes them not do what is best for our people. Legalize regulate and tax.
WAIT…..POT CAN”T KILL YOU??
we all should send more request for more coverage to CNN where our voice is heard.
#1 HASH IS ABOUT 50 % THC. HASH IS NOT NEW. and if you try to smoke, today, pot as weak as they say it wes, you won’t get high.
#2 I LOVE THE STUPID ADS AND FOOLISH LIES; THEY ARE SO BAD, A 10 YEAR OLD COULD DEBUNK THEM. THERE WAS A TEST OF AN AD THAT SAID “DRUGS SUPPORT TER RORISTS”, AND A SIZABLE PERCENTAGE OF THE TEST GROUP OF KIDS SAID “THEN THEY SHOULD JUST GROW THEIR OWN”
#3 THERE ARE 2 POLITICAL PARTIES WE CAN CHOOSE FROM; GREEN AND LIBERTARIAN. BOTH ARE VALID IN ALL 50 STATES, BOTH ARE PRO – LEGALIZATION.
#4 WHEN WE MAKE A NEW LAW, WE NEED TO MAKE IT JUST FOR US, AND STOP “THROWING A BONE” TO THE PROHIBITIONISTS TO TRY TO PLEASE THEM. example 1; THERE IS NO LIMIT TO ONE OUNCE, OR FOUR OUNCES ECT. WITH ALCOHOL, example 2; MANY PARENTS allow their kids some supervised alcohol use, but thats a jailable offence with pot, etc.
propsed law ; cannabis is hereby recognised as a legal, medically efficatious herb, like garlic, and will be regulated like garlic. (for purity only)
I am so glad that I starting reading this shit! I feel so much better knowing that thier is others out there who feel the same way I do!!!!!! WTF!!!! Can our LEADERS wake up allready. I did not go through a lot of schooling actually only graduated 8th dropped out first part on ninth although I am proud to say I recieved my GED due to my Husband pushing me …. If this is what college teaches thes people then I sure as hell am not sending my Kids!! I bet my 3yr knows more about life and telling the differance between right and wrong … I also never went to church a lot , But am told that you should give thanks to god for creating EVERYTHING on this fine GREEN world… and I am proud to say that I believe in GOD and I will believe in him before I will believe in MAN!! Thank You GOD/LORD/MOTHER of EARTH/EVERY GOD I thank them ALL for CREATING my STANKY DANKY!!! I Love to smoke it everyday and I will keep on toking for I have not had a suicidal thought cross my mind in 8yrs since I have become a TRUE TOKER….. All of the Book Smart No Common Sense MOttha’s can just shut the *%#@ up all ready!! We get it , We get it …. as soon as they open a clinic to do studies on people , one that would include 4 people one doing nothing but Herion in differant levels of potencie along with one on Alcohol one on Weed and of course our GOVERMANT APPROVED Prescription DRUGS!!!!! and lets so who is left to campare notes after 30 days …. How is that for study you no common sense Mother F&$!@s … love ya 420!!!
there are 2 political parties that are in all 50 states that are pro – legalization;
green party and libertarian
if we pick one, and all get behind it, we will definately have a big enough voice to heard on this issue
I think its major and total BULLSHIT that you would even try to compare it to heroin or cocaine!!!
knock it off and just legalize my weed already!
Joey #108,
Good point but don’t forget the tobacco and alcohol industries. Both multi-billion dollar industries.
Here is a news video from Fox News about our cause http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXX8RgeZTvM
Lets think back to yesteryear. Does anyone remember Acapulco Gold, Mohoccan or the other “brands” available 30+ years ago? Some of marijuana back then had a kick to it too. Of course no one ever died from smoking it. The high potency weed they are referring to today is probably hydroponic. This is a result of underground grow operations but is certainly not a “super weed”.
… as taxpayers, I think we all need to demand Mr. Trouville resignation. It’s obvious that he isn’t qualified enough to do his job…
In the recent CNN piece regarding supposedly stronger marijuana, Walters describes himself perfectly:
http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=NrNbmVqyu8I
0:28 “There’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing here.”
This is what I’ve been saying for ages.
Matthew 7:15-20 should give the interested reader the context of the words he uses to condemn himself.
Ravenous wolves like him have born much bad fruit!
• Prison populations busting at the seams.
• Preventing ill people from accessing marijuana easily.
• Endless corruption of government officials.
• Many U.S. citizens deaths due to drug raids and overly heavy-handed tactics.
• Thousands upon thousands of deaths in foreign lands due to their self-righteous imposition of prohibition.
• Brainwashing millions people in to thinking marijuana is similar to alcohol and tobacco.
• Brainwashing millions of people with a ton more lies.
• Spiraling the cost of the Drug War to insane amounts.
• Creating a paranoid sense among law enforcers that nearly everyone is a wanton law breaker.
• And on and on.
for all those christians out there heres something to chew on-first I am a christian and While I may not believe in abortion or gay rights but what all those so called christians dont care to understand is this 3 THINGS- #1 LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE #2 THE PASSING OF THE PEACE #3 WE CONTINUE TO PERSECUTE OTHERS IN MUCH THE SAME WAY WE WERE PERSECUTED WHEN WE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY WE LEFT TO FIND A PLACE FREE FROM RELIGOUS PERSECUTION AND I FEEL AS THOUGH TREATING OTHERS AS THOUGH THEY DONT DESERVE A VOICE IS JUST PLIAN WRONG take a good long look in the mirror before you say medical marijuana is wrong you stuck up jews!!!!!
A SEED IS A SEED NO MATTER THE OUTCOME
On AB390 in California.
CAN SOMEBODY BUILD A WEBSITE SHOWING EACH REPRESENTATIVE AND THEIR SUPPORT?
Sorry for the all caps. I keep seeing a thousand pages of forums saying the reasons it should be legal. I see hundreds of news columns talking about the existence of the bill. What I’m not seeing is a unified front, showing each representative BY NAME and whether they support or not. We should be spending our time and resources to annoy the living hell out of those individuals who are not going to support the bill. We need them to make public their intent to vote in support of the bill. We need a countdown to the deadline for their vote. If we can nail down the representatives and the deadlines we can push the support upwards to “The Governator.”
We need for these people to know that if they neglect their constituency in this matter it will affect their reelection. Threaten their jobs and get their attention. Show that the people support this bill and are organizing against their apathy. Politicians are rich and powerful and only act when they feel its politically safe to do so. Make enough noise so they can always point to the public after the vote and say they were made to vote they way they did, for the public. Make it known that they WILL vote, they WILL vote FOR the PEOPLE, or they WILL be unemployed.
WE NEED A WEBSITE WITH THE REPRESENTATIVES NAMES, DISTRICTS, POSITIONS AND THE END OF THEIR TERMS. WE NEED PRETTY COLOR GRAPHICS SO EVEN IDIOTS, CHILDREN AND ANIMALS CAN SEE WHERE THIS BILL STANDS.
Make the system work. Yes there is a political law enforcement machine keeping Weed illegal. Machines break. What have you done to break the machine?
I keep coming here stating ideas how to spread the truth to the public. About a week ago my mom suffered 3 broken disks in her neck that could have debilitate her. This fueled my 420 campaign on facebook. Out of all the people out there, she deserves medicinal marijuana more than ever for her pain. I have about 140 friends in total and most of them have or chronically smoke pot. Every 420 am/pm est, I post one truth about pot, and willing to have an open debate. Then I sign it with a hemp leaf with “housing, textiles, fuel, oil, inspiration” along with it.. every 12 hours. Today sparked a wonderful debate with my aunt (who is a registered nurse). I hope I educate someone. Chances are I have already. I refuse to site idly by while my mother suffers nor sit back and watch my country endure the worse economic crisis since the great depression. There will be people who oppose, however, I will fight the good fight.
The REASON they refuse to legalize, or even in the least recognize cannabis’ medicinal value, is because it is the cornerstone of the DEA’s budget needs. It makes up 99.9% of the DEA work.
After Obama had Holder reinforce the fact that federal DEA troops would no longer subvert states with medical cannabis laws, I suggested to him (on change.gov as one of the questions I submitted) to fire 26% of the DEA, my logic being, 13 of 50 states now have medicinal cannabis laws, therefore DEA troops for those states are no longer needed.
But this is why they so adamantly refuse to acknowledge the medicinal properties of cannabis, because to do so would require them to move it from Schedule I status and that would mean much less work for the DEA.
I still hold hope that Obama is only ‘towing the line’ because it’s so early in his administration; I’m sure he knows he’s not living up to the claims he made as a candidate, but he still has 3 years to go before he has to start worrying about re-election. If he wants to get re-elected, he’s going to have to really make some progress; of course, the only alternative would be to elect another republican to the highest office, which makes me cringe.
HELP STOP THE BRIBERY IN DC MILLIONS PAID TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES THAT CAUSES THEM TO VOTE AGAINST WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE….
http://www.change.org/actions/view/step_one_end_special_interest_in_washington
THANKS
CFH
-marijuana kills the lungs(more than tobbaco).Tobbaco kills around 435,000.
-its easy to get addicted to. and its hard want to quit.
Think about it like this if you never smoked pot you would not want pot.(and pot is bad for your memory and lungs) Thats why its illegal.
Use is abuse-because it leads to addiction.
-kids/people should not be addicted to something that effects peoples memory(you wont remember everything you need short term memory for it to get into longterm memory). and kills there lungs. (if pot didn’t get you high you would not smoke it therefore you should not smoke it) if everyone was smoking an ounce a week. you would have alot of pot heads that smoke. and get stuck in there stoned highs, its something that kills you in the long run.
Think about it like this if you never smoked an illegal drug you would never want an illegal drug.(that effects your memory. and kills you lungs)(bullshit there has to be a few pot deaths) Thats why its illegal.
So get rid of your reefer and try to quit smoking. Then you will truly be free. You know you’d be better off if you never smoked pot.
There is one other issue that is not directly related to ending prohibition, but may help the cause: a renewed push for States Rights, specifically the 10th Amendment to our US Constitution.
Several States, with Montana being the first, are discussing and enacting laws that re-assert that the Federal government does not have the authority under the US Constitution to regulate firearms that are made and remain within a State’s border. In other words, unless it crosses a State border the Federal government does not have jurisdiction.
Note that this is Not about firearm regulations; it is much much bigger than that. If/when the US Supreme Court agrees with just one State then I believe this will be a hugely significant victory for ending prohibition.
If someone grows some cannabis plants on their own property and consumes it on their property, or does not sell or give it to someone in another State… then the Federal government should not have any authority in this matter, according to the US Constitution. The 10th Amendment:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
If you oppose the new Montana law, that’s fine. I am not advocating support for this law. Just FYI, that if/when this is upheld in court then it would be an additional catalyst for ending prohibition.
To R.O.I., “Any 912er’s out there?” YES!
Off Topic:
Since watching the Libertarian Glenn Beck, I now believe it is more important and perhaps even vital that those from all points on the political spectrum to join together on issues with which we agree. It doesn’t matter to me the name of your chosen party. What does matter is that we are all Americans; we are a free people. And we need to stand up together for common issues and also to help thwart corruption in politics – in all parties.
Its was not ilegal to begin with….do your research on how it begin this whole prohibition on weed!! Its was the corporations thats started all this!! tHEN THE GOVERMENT FOLLOW THEM!! its recorded on history that the only reason why they made it ilegAL BECAUSE OF RACISIM! UNDERSTAND BEFORE YOU START OPENING YOUR MOUTH! AN U AND THE GOVERMENT GOT NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WAT TO DO ON THE PRIVICY OF MY OWN HOME! DOES THE GOVERMENT HAS A MEDICAL BACKGROUND NOOOOO! THEIR BACKGROUND IS POLITICIANS! IDIOTS
# r Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Think about it like this if you never smoked an illegal drug you would never want an illegal drug.(that effects your memory. and kills you lungs)(bullshit there has to be a few pot deaths) Thats why its illegal.
So get rid of your reefer and try to quit smoking. Then you will truly be free. You know you’d be better off if you never smoked pot.
That is BS look at the statistics:
ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS
TOBACCO …………………… 400,000
ALCOHOL …………………… 100,000
ALL LEGAL DRUGS ………….20,000
ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ……….15,000
CAFFEINE …………………….2,000
ASPIRIN ………………………500
MARIJUANA …………………. 0
—————————————-
Source: United States government…
National Institute on Drug Abuse,
Bureau of Mortality Statistics
again after looking at the facts how many people dies from marijuana? That is right 0 .
If marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol and Tabacco and is illegal then why is it that alcohol and tabacco also illegal? After all isn’t this a nation “for the people by the people” ? It is the same thing as saying we are free yet are we really free if we the people are not even allowed to make our own decision on what should be legal and what should not be? After all today kids get by any means perscription pills like morphine and vicodin to name a few to get messed up as easily as it is to get tabacco and alcohol yet marijuana which is lease dangerous is kept illegal and in prohibition. Wake up America there will always be a black market heince a way to get marijuana illegal or legal. What we should do is just legalize marijuana tax and regulate it like we do with tabacco and alcohol which would devistate the black market but not only that the 14 billion annually that is being lost can if marijuana becomes legal can be used for areas we need the funds instead of using it towards strengthinning the black market and costing the country hundreds or thousands annually on processing and other things like time , court costs , etc…
So why should we remain ignorant keeping marijuana in prohibition and illegal when we have a choice to legalize and tax marijuana saving hundred of thousands of dollars annually taking the money from the marijuana tax that can go towards more serious things like health care , education and fighting terrorist to name just a few. The time to make a change is hear. Lets legalize and tax marijuana and strengthen our nation instead of keeping it in prohibition which simply does not work.
We would be better off not watching TV, eating fast food, or surfing the internet as well r. Do you really think personal choices should be up for public debate.
Think about it like this if you never smoked an illegal drug you would never want an illegal drug.(that effects your memory. and kills you lungs)(bullshit there has to be a few pot deaths) Thats why its illegal.
So get rid of your reefer and try to quit smoking. Then you will truly be free. You know you’d be better off if you never smoked pot.
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I disagree with you but I don’t feel like arguing because this argument is beside the point.
There are uncountable things that people have/do that they would be better off/healthier without. It doesn’t mean that they should be arrested for it.
#141 and 142: Ignorance is prevalent in your posts. You really need to go do some research. Marijuana isn’t illegal because it’s harmful, and there is no proof that marijuana causes lung cancer, just the opposite in fact. If tobacco causes so many deaths, and marijuana is worse than tobacco, why aren’t there -at least- a few thousand documented deaths each year? lol.
r, Please show where in the 5000 years of written medical history has *anyone* ever died as a direct result of smoking marijuana… both short and long term? Please, show me some stats because even the US government has shown to the public that ZERO people has died since it has been deemed illegal. Please show any evidence by scientific research, and not government propaganda, that marijuana has shown to cause harm more so than smoking tobacco. Also, do know that marijuana can be taken orally (i.e. food or pill form such as the FDA-approved Marinol), vaporized (hence smokeless – so that nulls any argument about the harms of marijuana), sprayed, etc.
141 anonymous and 142 r,
interesting monickers! Before getting more uptight you might want to check this link and see what the medical profesion has to say about addictiveness of cannabis.
http://www.procon.org/viewbackgroundresource.asp?resourceID=1492
Weed isn’t getting anymore potent, they are just sampling stronger weed. That’s like saying alcohol is getting more potent but only sampling ever clear. Mids are still mid strength, schwag still sucks, and dank weed is still very potent. Its called different kinds of weed.
However if regular weed is getting more potent, I’d like to find where this is coming from so I can uhh make a scientific research out of it.
as a hep c patient i can vouch that good tasting, high quality buds such as strawberry cough (a quite potent and my personal favorite strain) helps me eat after my hep treatment alot more that some nasty bobby brown brick. it also takes a significantly less amount to get to where i wanna eat or to just catch that buzz, and by the way its a way better buzz too. a cleaner high if you will.
Hey “r” I have started and stopped for years at a time, don’t give me that addicted bullshit and my memory is just fine. I stopped cold turkey many times(5 or 10 years at a time)without withdraws. You need to read, learn and REMEMBER the truth about cannibis. Oh wait,You maybe a drug warrior. No use talking to you huh?
This is insulting. Check out this link on above the influence
http://www.abovetheinfluence.com/stoners/default.aspx#
poor hygene? lack of movement for hours? Who are they trying to kid?
Anonymous at May 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am and “r”, please provide credible data to back up what you say, and try to resist posting a “drug czar” propoganda website like the one in the begining of this comment. The only pot deaths are from police shooting, or gang related violence that can be prevented with control and regulation. Tell the people who are dying that they would be better off without pot, the only thing that works for them when all other prescription chemicals fail. Tell the people who smoke or injest pot that do it to not get addicted to dangerous prescription medications, for headaches, stomach aches, cramping, stress/anxiety, and insomnia. Tell me to my face that i would be better off without it. Or then again, you wouldnt be able to tell face to face with me that I even use it. It is the only natural medicine on gods green earth that wont kill you or addict you. It is the only medicine on this planet that we have receptors in our bodies for. If you don’t like it, thats your perogative, but don’t force your standards down others throats. Why is it illegal you ask? Answer me this: Why is it legal to kill unborn babies as old as six months in the womb? It became illegal because it was the countries only way to get away with racism and to cause a mass hysteria. Its illegal because it keeps the big pharmacutical companies in business profiting from addiction of their products. If it were illegal because of a few deaths, then so would driving, drinking, eating food from a grocery store, eating meat, using flouride, taking over the counters, motorcycling, thrill seaking, bungie jumping, parachuting, and the list could go on and on forever. Think before you type!!!
“Anonymous Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
-marijuana kills the lungs(more than tobbaco).Tobbaco kills around 435,000.
-its easy to get addicted to. and its hard want to quit.
Think about it like this if you never smoked pot you would not want pot.(and pot is bad for your memory and lungs) Thats why its illegal.”
Smoking tobacco is bad for your lungs, and I could take up this page with lists of pharmacuticals that effect your short and long term memory. They are legal and proven highly addictive and dangerous. Think about your contradiction. Tobacco kills your lungs, not marijuana. You prohibitionists fail or outright refuse to remember, IT DON’T HAVE TO BE SMOKED TO HAVE THE SAME EFFECT!!! That same old excuse is getting tiring.
r: Ok then why do people smoke for the first time? They never smoked an illegal drug before but they still do it. Marijuana does not effect your memory and it doesn’t kill your lungs. Maybe you should do more research. There is also proof that it fights cancer.
It is not addicting and there are many many studies that prove it is not physically addicting. Yeah sure some people hate giving up their few joints they smoke during the week but why should they? No one throws a fit about people drinking a few beers after a hard day of work. And there is tons of proof that alchol is addictiting and causes serious damage to the liver. No one has ever died from cancer due to marijuana or from anything marijuana related for that matter.
There is not one case of marijuana killing anyone.
#142 r Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Think about it like this if you never smoked
an illegal drug you would never want an illegal drug.
(that effects your memory. and kills you lungs)
(bullshit there has to be a few pot deaths) Thats why its illegal.
So get rid of your reefer and try to quit smoking.
Then you will truly be free.
You know you’d be better off if you never smoked pot.
RE:
R,
– I somewhat agree with you…
“if…never smoked”
The EFFECTS of carcinogens in smoke can
AFFECT the delicate
lung-tissues adversely…
YES!
We ARE better off if we have never SMOKED pot.
(There are SAFER means of consuming this God-Given
medicinal-herb / food-crop!)
HOWEVER:
“ILLEGAL-DRUG”
is an arbitrary, vocabulary-limiting,
thought-shrinking, blanket-term.
(Specifically, an over-generalization!).
– Coffee, tea, tobacco and even potatoes were,
(At various times in throughout history),
declared ILLEGAL by mis-guided individuals…
What, (EXACTLY), are you REFERRing to?
(Or, in your case, REEFERing to… ???)
R,
Your poor grammar and misuse of homophones,
(sound-alike words),
makes me wonder what you have been ingesting.
(Some the most deadly and
brain-damaging drugs are perfectly legal!!!)
#142 r Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Think about it like this if you never smoked
an illegal drug you would never want an illegal drug.
(that effects your memory. and kills you lungs)
(bullshit there has to be a few pot deaths) Thats why its illegal.
So get rid of your reefer and try to quit smoking.
Then you will truly be free.
You know you’d be better off if you never smoked pot.
RE:
R,
– I somewhat agree with you…
“if…never smoked”
The EFFECTS of carcinogens in smoke can
AFFECT the delicate
lung-tissues adversely…
YES!
We ARE better off if we have never SMOKED pot.
(There are SAFER means of consuming this God-Given
medicinal-herb / food-crop!)
HOWEVER:
“ILLEGAL-DRUG”
is an arbitrary, vocabulary-limiting,
thought-shrinking, blanket-term.
(Specifically, an over-generalization!).
– Coffee, tea, tobacco and even potatoes were,
(At various times in throughout history),
declared ILLEGAL by mis-guided individuals…
What, (EXACTLY), are you REFERRing to?
(Or, in your case, REEFERing to… ???)
R,
Your poor grammar and misuse of homophones,
(sound-alike words),
makes me wonder what you have been ingesting.
(Some OF the most deadly and
brain-damaging drugs are perfectly legal!!!)
#142 r Says:
May 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Think about it like this if you never smoked
an illegal drug you would never want an illegal drug.
(that effects your memory. and kills you lungs)
(bullshit there has to be a few pot deaths) Thats why its illegal.
So get rid of your reefer and try to quit smoking.
Then you will truly be free.
You know you’d be better off if you never smoked pot.
RE:
R,
– I somewhat agree with you…
“if…never smoked”
The EFFECTS of carcinogens in smoke can
AFFECT the delicate
lung-tissues adversely…
YES!
We ARE better off if we have never SMOKED pot.
(There are SAFER means of consuming this God-Given
medicinal-herb / food-crop!)
HOWEVER:
“ILLEGAL-DRUG”
is an arbitrary, vocabulary-limiting,
thought-shrinking, blanket-term.
(Specifically, an over-generalization!).
– Coffee, tea, tobacco and even potatoes were,
(At various times THROUGHOUT history),
declared ILLEGAL by mis-guided individuals…
What, (EXACTLY), are you REFERRing to?
(Or, in your case, REEFERing to… ???)
R,
Your poor grammar and misuse of homophones,
(sound-alike words),
makes me wonder what you have been ingesting.
(Some OF the most deadly and
brain-damaging drugs are perfectly legal!!!)
142 and 141 are illogical! Marijuana is safer then all legal drugs- including- tylenol, alcohol, tobacco, caffeine! marijuana is only illegal because of special interests and racist politics! I can’t tell you how much marijuana has bettered my life! I only use it at the end of the day after my priorities down and allows me to reflect on life!!
much more productive and interesting then sitting in front of a tv like most of america does on a daily basis- yet somehow smoking weed is evil………..
142- you can say its bullshit that no one has died from pot, but the fact is there isn’t one report of it happening, so if you can’t prove it then don’t spew your bullshit! it’s ignorant people like you that are stopping the world’s greates plant from being legal once and for all…………………….. and about your lungs- you can use a vaporizer or make edibles so that isnt even an argument
NOTE TO NORML-Blog Moderator:
PLEASE DELETE first two RE’s to #142,
(Containing TYPOS).
– I’m distracted by unmitigated post-collision
body-pain caused by other-people’s poor vehicular
skills.
142. r
“Think about it like this if you never smoked an illegal drug you would never want an illegal drug.(that effects your memory. and kills you lungs)(bullshit there has to be a few pot deaths) Thats why its illegal.”
“There has to be a few pot deaths”? Get real. The evidence is everywhere, wake up.
The MARIJUANA PROHIBITIONISTS are at full steam on the propaganda machine. LIES AND MORE LIES. MARIJUANA PROHIBITION= Prisons filled with non-violent offenders and a mindless DRUG WAR wasting tax dollars and erosion of our constitutional rights. If the pot is more potent than you smoke less. Never heard anything about marijuana potency complaints in the seventies. To the non-bud smokers-GET A LIFE-GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT-AND WHEN MARIJUANA IS LEGALIZED THE REAL TRUTH WILL BE HEARD AND WE WILL BE SET FREE.
#141 and #142, first of all who the fuck do you think you are? Who are you to tell over 300 million people what they can and can’t do. What if I told you that you can’t drink alcohol, or take your prescription drugs. It’s about more than just a high, it’s about my very rights as a human being, and my freedom. I don’t tell you what you can and can’t watch on TV, or any other facet of your life, so what’s makes you think you can have a say on what I do with my body? Cannabis is not physically addictive, it is a MENTAL addiction, and NO there has never been a recorded death from overdose or otherwise from cannabis, but thousands of people die every year from some of the medicines you probably keep in your bathroom or pantry. Stay out of my business and out of my life. I am a parent, military service member, churchgoer, and law abiding citizen. I don’t drink alcohol, swear, or watch violent or inappropriate material in front of my children. So I am obviously able to handle myself in a responsible manner. Get off of your high horse and do some real research, and you’ll find out just how beneficial Cannabis can be. Along with it’s medical benefits, and ability to raise desperately needed revenue for the Government, it might even give you two some needed relaxation and different perspectives on some things.
Once again, do not make decisions for me or anyone else, make them for yourself. If you want to drink yourself into oblivion every night that’s not ok with me but it’s YOUR life. Just don’t get behind the wheel. I have served my country for over 8 years, and since I have put myself in harm’s way for the safety and security of this nation I feel I should be able to put into my body whatever the hell I want. And #’s 141 and 142 you can just stay the fuck out of my business.
No, there haven’t been any deaths. Weed is less toxic than asprin.
And what about Alcohol, Mcdonalds food, tobacco, and watching tv for 6 hour stretches at a time? All these destroy memory and body. All these break down the human body and some outright kill people on a daily basis. Yet where’s the call to mandate laws against these and countless other unhealthy habits.
Call me crazy, but I was under the impression that when I became an adult I was responcibal for my own health. Who the hell are the Federal government to dictate health to me? Not to mention they’re in direct violation of the 10th amendment if they do so
Letter sent to Bill O Reilly in response to Joseph califano Jr. appearance on 5/14. people like this will do and say anything to scare the uninformed public, and I think the next war we must wage is outing these scum who are so called experts but have minimal facts on the subject in which they speak. There was a time in this country when you had to have some proof or knowledge on a given subject to, be a panel member. Nowdays they trot out any piece of trash to encite fear.
letter sent on 5/16 follows…………….
Mr. Oreilly, you’re segment with Joseph califano Jr. on 5/14 proves that you dont have to be informed when appearing as an expert.
Legalizing will make cannabis more available to kids? Using kids as a shield to cover up a hidden agenda is spin, adults and kids alike, purchase from gang member thugs, I dont think they check for identification. And the cry that it is more potent, please look at some facts before you let guests with hidden agendas attempt to look out for me!
The potency issue should NOT be any concern to non-users of marijuana. What’s the real hidden agenda of opponents? In any debate, always find out what your opponent’s goals and benefits are for being a prohibitionist of marijuana. The well over 52% and growing number of marijuana supporters in America would appreciate opponents simply excuseing themselves on marijuana issues and STOP hendering life saving medicine and personal use law reform.
Kind of makes you wonder who’s supporting MJ prohibitionist that want’s to stay hidden. What’s in it for prohibitionist? If they don’t use it, then why oh why does potency matter to them so much, the answer is obvious, they think they can further confuse the public with their comments and further promote fear of the “UNKNOWN!” Just to prevent MJ from being legal in any form? Enormous amounts of money are being wasted on prohibition. I wish I could just turn it off or fast forward this time period till I arrive at the legalization day!
What is really funny is I was reading the June 2009 issue of High Times and read a feedback in the mag. from a Republican and this is exactly what is said from him word for word . It is titeled Republican for legalization and here is what he said “I haven’t smoked pot in years-primarily because it’s illegal-but I fully support it being at least decriminalized, if not fully legalized.
I saw you [Sen. Ed David Bienenstock] on Fox and friends this morning, and despite the facts that I’m a Republican, the hypocrisy of the right was very clearly demonstrated by you, and for that, I thank you. It’s a states’ rights issue, and if politicians truly gave a rat’s arse about states’ rights, regardless of their personal views on marijuana, they would see it as such. Unfortunately most politicians are only about states’ rights only when it’s convenient for them, as you clearly demonstrated was the case.
Anyway, thank you for going on the show and exposing the hypocrisy. Like I said, I don’t partake of marijuana anymore, but assuming you do, smoke some for me.”
Reason why i had to post this to you is the simple fact that if a Republican is willing to speak out about decriminalize, if not fully legalize marijuana then where is the other people in the gov’t. willing to help our cause by helping us decriminalize, if not fully legalize marijuana? We the people are ready for legalization and regulation/taxation of marijuana regardless of the THC levels. After all why keep marijuana in prohibition that simply doesn’t work while there is a more logical reason such as using the tax money (14 Billion annually) from legalized marijuana to go towards medical , education and other areas such as a fight to end terism and helping our nation become stronger? After all don’t we have a say in the matter or is it simply we the gov’t.? We request that marijuana be legalized!!!
I hope that the NORML org. , MPP org. and any one else who can use this information for our cause and would like to end this by saying best of wishes and keep up the fight to legalize marijuana.
so there is hope that we can grow a strain that hit 30 to 50 percent,yippee time to get the vaporizer, and alot of sick and hurting can get the medicine they need at a cost people can afford.there is no such thing as to powerful,i love our lying deceitful government,when kids try the “killer stuff”and live what then? your fear mongering leads them to try things that will kill them,we are in trouble,led by the common senselesssss
Dizzle,
Put exactly what you just said in a letter to your state.
Is not whiskey more potent than wine ? There are hundreds of thousands that end up in emergency wards due to alcohol .
Marajwana
Joehaven, Damn good idea!
Lies lies lies THC is good for your body!
You want to talk about harmful effects? Let’s talk antidepressants. In a recent study http://www.upmc.com/MediaRelations/NewsReleases/2009/Pages/STARD-trial.aspx a professor points out a signficant weak spot and demonstrates why antidepressants so often don’t work, or work only for the short term, but often leave patients with weight gain, and all the related health consequences.
Also, antidepressants can actually cause patients to consider suicide, and many patients have attempted suicide by overdoeing on these same antidepressants.
Does pot cause any of this?!?!?
Someone please stop the insanity wheel and let me off!
Let’s all go to Wash DC on the 4th of JUly and pass around a joint the size of a fucking blimp! someone could make one out of papier mache, it could be filled with straw or balloons for that matter,and just passed around for the visual.
What needs to happen is this. We need to have a 1, 2, or 10 million person HIGH march on the white house. They can’t arrest us all.
The first and most basic reason that marijuana should be legal is that there is no good reason for it not to be legal. Some people ask ‘why should marijuana be legalized?” but we should ask “Why should marijuana be illegal?” From a philosophical point of view, individuals deserve the right to make choices for themselves. The government only has a right to limit those choices if the individual’s actions endanger someone else. This does not apply to marijuana, since the individual who chooses to use marijuana does so according to his or her own free will. The government also may have a right to limit individual actions if the actions pose a significant threat to the individual. But this argument does not logically apply to marijuana because marijuana is far less dangerous than some drugs which are legal, such as alcohol and tobacco.
SUMMARY: Individuals deserve the right to decide whether or not they should use marijuana. The government should not tell individuals what to do as long as they do not harm others.
Anyone who has ever been charged in the court of law for Marijuana should be able to sue the government. The fact is the government has with held important information regarding Marijuana that would couse it to be legal, the government is wrong in lying to the american people and with holding the information, as so the government should pay for its crimes against the people.
What I do not get is in other countries it is legal yet in the states it is illegal yet we the USA are suppose to be “Land of the free” well if that is the case then why do we not have marijuana legalized and taxed? What about discrimination I thought we had a constitution that is against discrimination regardless of sex, religion etc….? This being said they should pay attention to our rights and legalize and tax marijuana instead of strengthining the black market . As long as their is a black market there will always be a way to get marijuana and other things so why don’t they just legalize marijuana and tax it and put a hurting on the black market while at the same time use the taxed money from it towards good instead of keeping it illegal and suppling the black market 14 billion annually ?
We need to re-legalize marijuana. It should never have been made illegal in the first place. These laws against its legality are INSANE.
STOP THE MADNESS!
Give me a fucking break (to those who say it’s bad and addictive.)
I have a disease that is horrible to deal with. One of my drs told me I could have 5 ok years on heavy narcotics then 15 years where nothing at all will help my pain. I have another who just today, gave me medications that have the worst side-effects I’ve ever seen. They can give me cancer, lupus, MS, serious infections, and heart failure. And those are just the bad ones. The other side effects are all day every day nausea, dibilitating fatigue, head aches and can cause my hair to fall out. They’re basically very similar to chemo drugs, but instead of taking them short term like chemo, if they work it’s the rest of my life!
All this just to deal with a possibility of preventing my disease from progressing. Now if I was in a medical marijuana state I could ask for it to 1) help my condition, the pain and the side effects from the medication and 2) to use in place of some of my drugs which will give me less side effects, won’t make me addicted to them (like the narcotics I’m on) and will help just as much.
The idea that there are such ignorant people out there doesn’t surprise me in the least. Wake up and do your own research, realize that pot isn’t at all what the government and other idiots lead you to believe.
Here is the url to a site that has a petition to end the prohibition of marijuana.
http://www.enddrugprohibition.com/
Here is the url to a site that has a petition to end the prohibition of marijuana.
http://www.enddrugprohibition.com/
This just came in my email from mpp. This is what I have been think would happen. they are going to ignore the voice of the people and over turn ANYTHING that WE THE PEOPLE vote for. The constitution means nothing to them.
From Marijuana policy project:
Tomorrow morning, a committee in the U.S. Senate will consider an amendment that could undo the state medical marijuana laws that voters and legislators in 13 states have worked so hard to pass.
Your senator, Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), sits on the committee that will vote on this amendment. Please take action to stop this amendment before the committee vote tomorrow by calling Sen. Harkin’s office right away.
While MPP has not yet seen the exact text of the current amendment, Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) introduced a similar measure in 2007, and we believe this amendment will closely mirror the 2007 version. That amendment used a nefarious technique to attack medical marijuana patients and caregivers by allowing the FDA to possibly stop effective state medical marijuana laws. Sadly, Sen. Harkin voted in favor of this amendment when it came up in 2007, which means it’s critical that he hears from you.
Will you please help prevent Sen. Coburn’s anti-medical marijuana amendment by calling Sen. Harkin’s office at 202-224-3254?
since i’m a meduser i prefer the highest % of THC i can get,which is usually very high since i get it from a grower in california.
may god bless and keep him from those damn fed asshats.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/11/ancient.cannabis/index.html
cultivation isn’t a new idea!
I noticed that the “Partnership for a Drug Free America” has purchased a large amount of air time on CNN. This has happened, coincidentally, just as CNN ratcheted up the Reefer Madness hysteria.
What ever happened to independent, factual news reporting? It certainly isn’t on CNN.
For awhile, I thought CNN might give us a balanced alternative to the conservative wingnuts on Fox News and the liberal wingnuts on MSNBC. I guess it goes to show that money can still buy you the best news stories in the world.
All I can say is thank God for the Internet!
And, the mass media outlets all wonder why they are going out of business. . .
Ok. I really think our people need to get their head out of their asses. Also, our government needs to stop trying to overuse its power. Marijuana is harmless. I just graduated highschool with less than a point away from being honors…. hmmm, so people who smoke pot fry their brains???? If I hadn’t spent so much time in the hospital for my shunt it would have been honors. Still, If only it would be legalized. We would have agricultural, medical, industrial, and many other benefits. Hell, it will even create a cleaner burning, non-toxic fuel. LEGALIZE IT!!!! Quit being retarded america.
I believe your argument would be stronger if you focused less on the statement that people ‘prefer less potent pot’, and more on the idea that better pot equals less smoking.
I don’t know many people that actually prefer less potent pot.
I do know lots of people that prefer high potency pot in very small amounts.
The end result of your logic and this one are the same, although I believe the ladder gets the point across more efficiently.
Peace and love and great article all around.
My son growing up was diagnosed with A.D.D. & H.D.
The Dr.’s prescribed Ridalin for him. I did some research on it and the side effects from it was horrible so I took him off of it and started having him smoke a little weed and it made him slow down to where he could concentrate and do his work and his grades started going up. The school said they would turn me in for letting my son smoke pot. Pot is good for people with A.D.D & H.D. My son ended up quitting school and not getting his education because of stupid people.The wonderful God given plant has so much medical value.The Government needs to attack alcohol and legalize pot, but they arent going to do that because all those assholes are drinkers.I am 52 and love to come home from work and take a few tokes and kick back and relax.It also helps me sleep. It would probably help with sleep disorders.
Enough with the beauracratical BS . LEGALIZE WEED
Schuster,
I hear ya on the school thing. I was terrible in highschool until I started smoking cannibis as a sophmore. I went from d’s and f’s the previous 2 years to honor roll my last 2 years. I’d like the government to explain that!!!!
I need to make clear my previous post about smoking cannibis in highschool. I dont condone teens smoking cannibis. It was just a choice I made in th 80’s.
Go to this CNN site and page down till you see the marijuana leaf and vote on marijuana legalization. They reference three surveys that favor legalization and want to do their own.
http://ricksanchez.blogs.cnn.com/
#192 R.O.E. Says:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Schuster,
I hear ya on the school thing. I was terrible in highschool until I started smoking cannibis as a sophmore. I went from d’s and f’s the previous 2 years to honor roll my last 2 years. I’d like the government to explain that!!!!
RE:
R.O.E.,
Don’t know if the gov’t
will ever ‘fess-up’ and tell the truth,
(that cannabinoids promote NEW brain-cell GROWTH),
however,
this medical research article does…
Cannabinoids promote embryonic and
adult hippocampus neurogenesis:
Journal of Clinical Investigation
Wikipedia Articles:
Endocannabinoid-system
Neurogenesis
#192 R.O.E. Says:
May 19th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Schuster,
I hear ya on the school thing. I was terrible in highschool until I started smoking cannibis as a sophmore. I went from d’s and f’s the previous 2 years to honor roll my last 2 years. I’d like the government to explain that!!!!
RE:
R.O.E.,
Don’t know if the gov’t
will ever ‘fess-up’ and tell the truth,
(that cannabinoids promote NEW brain-cell GROWTH),
however,
this medical research article does…
Cannabinoids promote embryonic and
adult hippocampus neurogenesis:
Journal of Clinical Investigation
Wikipedia Articles:
Endocannabinoid-system
Neurogenesis
HU-210
is the synthetic cannabinoid used in the JCI study
By the way…
HU-210 is 100 to 800 times
more potent
than natural THC from cannabis…
you know, their is something that is also important that seems to not be brought up so much. how is it if the remedy is legalized, that it will effect children in school? now, im talking from a responsible users point of view. i relize their are irresponsible users for sure but, looking from the adult side of this, why is it a problem to legalize if , we as parents teach our children they cannot use it until they are old enough to make up their own mind. as in when their twenty one. gee, like alcohol. we as adults are charged with teaching our children not to use alcohol yet, how many parents drink to excess around their kids on a regular basis and, that is legal. if the law says twenty one or older , we would treat it the same as alcohol so, their is no validity in using children as a tool to keep it illegal. i have been smoking herb off an on for thirty two years and, never, would i subject my children to being present while i was pounding the pyrex. and anyone who does smoke around their children needs kicked in the slats until good sense is revived! as a child, my parents had many parties and alcohol flowed like the river. i picked up that habit at way too early an age. i love the taste and effect of it but, for one, i dont drink anymore and two, when i did, never , did i subject my children to it. i will only smoke herb now and, nar can they tell that daddys got a buzz. though now, because of random drug testing, i have been forced to quit.dammit. my point being that if we are responsible about it and show it, especially on a public format such as this, those that are against it can read our comments and learn that we can be reasonable about a natural plant that has many benefits for use. people who “wont walk a mile in our moccisans” can at least read that we who smoke marijuana are very sensible people.i for one would not think for one minute that it is ok for my kids to use.but ill tell you this, when they do choose which method to ease the edge after a long day at the job, i hope its the remedy that they choose. thanks norml for makin these comments possible to view by those who otherwise would only have government reports to judge their beliefs.
Why do we elect idiots who manufacture their own false statistics or are gullible enough to believe someone else’s made up BS.Forget drug testing elected officials…these folks need to start giving IQ tests.And Mark R. Trouville’s comment about the deadly pot sounds more like a dare to any pot smoking veteran.Maybe the Miami DEA needs to test their agents’ IQ also.Marijuana may be a gateway drug but so is nicotine and alcohol,both of which are far more deadly than marijuana.
here in kansas city this is the people fighting the fight for marijuana, and they fell for the potency
http://blogs.pitch.com/fatcity/2009/05/marijuana_potency_at_three_yea.php
Data from the University of Sydney reveals samples of local cannabis from the early 1970s up around 11%. The lowest was 3% with most samples being at the upper end. The whole DEA spin is complete rubbish. But we knew that.
I honestly prefer NOT to have stronger pot most of the time. I don’t always want to get blitzed right from the get go on just one hit. Sometimes it’s nice, but sometimes I’d rather just take my time and dose myself slowly until I reach a certain level of comfort and then back off. It’s nice when you can do that. Besides, too much THC makes me jittery and uneasy. I want to feel relaxed and at ease, not over-medicated. It’s best to have the proper balance of cannabinoids in one’s diet. 😉
Does anyone know if Barney Frenk or any of the others in the Government plan to reintroduce the Bills for Medical Marijuana and The legalizing and transporting Marijuana?
And I havnt YET seen The PSA that NORML was running, Is it still running Nationwide?
The information in this PSA is OUTSTANDING … the percentage of people wanting to outright legalize MJ went from the High 40% percentile to the low 50% percentile.. I can only amagine that the informative PSA caused this.. If its not running.. I do hope it will RUN again soon.. at these low costs…
Give me some pot
Just like the pot
That turned on dear old dad.
Well, this whole debate should have been solved with only one statement ” FDA approved 100% THC pill”
how can FEDS come back and say higher thc is a problem when they sell a 100% thc pill ?????????
WTF!@#!@# IDIOTS
Today police officials seized a small bag of marijuana from a college student in Pennsylvania and when they sent it to the lab for testing, they found out it was 250% THC.
They immediately brought this ‘super weed’ back from the lab and gave it to their kids to validate the results.
It turned out to be oregano….
Er, okay, so just sell less potent pot, legally, in shops.stupid government!
The more is kept to the streets the more progressivley strong it’s going to get.
To stop it, just legalize it.
Am I the only one this is obvious to?
#203 Aleister Wilson Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Give me some pot
Just like the pot
That turned on dear old dad.
RE:
8)
Dad’s pot was BETTER!
#204 Weed Wonder Says:
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 am
Well, this whole debate should have been solved with only one statement ” FDA approved 100% THC pill”
how can FEDS come back and say higher thc is a problem when they sell a 100% thc pill ?????????
WTF!@#!@# IDIOTS
RE:
[sarcasm]
Oh,
but it’s an advanced pill-form,
not the CRUDE plant. 🙄
[/sarcasm]
#201 David C. Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:17 am
…It’s best to have the proper balance of cannabinoids in one’s diet. 😉
RE:
TRUE.
🙂
– Some Americans are cannabinoid-deficient,
and need supplementation…
(An EXOGENOUS source of ENDO-Cannabinoids).
– Laws against cannabis are gov’t-mandated
MALNUTRITION!!!
🙁
you get used to the new strains as if they are regular and the taste is sweeter. other than that it’s just pretty to look at.
One thing I don’t understand about the above article(very good, btw) is contained in the quote “The average THC in domestically grown marijuana — which comprises the bulk of the US market — is less than five percent, a figure that’s remained unchanged for nearly a decade.”. By this account I would obviously surmise that the bulk of marijuana sold on the U.S. black marketis of domestic origin. However, I have heard DEA reports(even on NPR interviews) that the bulk of marijuana sold in the U.S.is coming from Mexico. The figures usually given are something like 70-80% smuggled in from Mexico, and the remaining 30-20% is domestically grown or from other countries. The implication is that U.S. demand for marijuana is supporing the Mexican drug cartel and contributing to all the violence. I have heard other statistics cited(on a conservative talk radio show of all things) that basically reversed these statistics i.e., 20% from Mexico and 80% of domestic origin. Does anyonw know the correct statistics?
I think its messed up how the opinions of the public to Obama were blown off as online “trolls”. It disappoints me to hear Obama say “NO” to legalization when our growing concern is the Mexican border and the obvious solution is to lower demand for marijuana. Not by creating more treatment centers and debt, but by creating domestic growing operations so good the money may start flowing the other direction.
There is just too much to say that has probably been already “hashed” out. Please, Mr President, GO GREEN!
1 bowl of the pot 2.0 and im happier than a mother fucker.
It is my own personal authority over myself with what i put into my body.
capital hill your Hitler of this century.
I need to get some of this hi potency herb. sounds good to me. smoke less for better buzz. the potency was better in the 1970s. the stronger pot bull is just that . bullpoop. wish it was stronger though. no one has ever died from cannabis. people on asprins have died though. doctor meds kill hundreds of thousand of people. also tobacco,boose kill untold millions through the years. propaganda, propaganda, It never stops. our government is really crooked. JJjeeezzzeee
I got more buzzed off the 70’s bud like Santa Marta Gold and thai stick I don’t understand there problem
http://www.alternet.org/rss/4/57561
This will link you to a news article where one can find ONDCP’s statistics. In order to achieve THC content of over 10% includes Hash! The ONDCP lies and distorts the facts to achieve their own purposes. The lie is exposed and CNN should be called to correct or recant their story and present the facts.
#5 commenter Zach makes the crucial argument.
#215 Johnny D Says:
May 29th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
http://www.alternet.org/rss/4/57561
This will link you to a…”
RE:
Johnny D.
– The alternet address only links to
a ‘404’ page…
The following underlined hypertext
links to similar article…
“Drug Czar’s Pot-Potency Claims Go Up In Smoke”
Huffington Post
How did Harkin vote? I am from Iowa, I know Grassley acts like he is smoking too much….and is probably out.
Harkin will alienate a few voters if he is not supporting medical marijuana use.
thanks.