(This is cross-posted in the Los Angeles section of Huffington Post – please feel free to surf over there and leave a comment that will be read outside our NORML forum.)
Yesterday on our daily webcast for NORML we interviewed Dale Sky Clare, a spokesperson for Proposition 19, the initiative that will ask Californians to vote on a very limited form of marijuana legalization. We discussed the latest polling on the initiative from SurveyUSA, showing a 50%-to-40% lead for the measure.
We dug through the demographics to find that older and more conservative people are the only groups more likely to oppose the measure (no, really?), support is greatest among the young and in the Bay Area (who knew?), and support among comedians named “Cheech” or “Chong” is approaching 100% (OK, I made the last one up.)
But there is one growing demographic group that no poll has begun to track: medical marijuana dispensary owners.
Since the Regulate, Control, and Tax Cannabis Initiative was mercifully truncated to a headline-friendly “Prop 19” by virtue of making it on the California ballot, I have been tracking on our NORML Stash Blog the stories of dispensary owners who are publicly opposing the legalization of the product they sell, even shelling out money they’ve made from selling marijuana to oppose its legalization!
Paul Jury just posted Legalize It? Ask a Guy Who Runs a Medicinal Marijuana Dispensary in which he speaks to Craig, a dispensary owner in Venice Beach, who is also opposed to Prop 19:
“I’ll give you two reasons,” Craig said. “One is big tobacco. Did you know that Phillip Morris just bought 400 acres of land up in Northern California? The minute marijuana becomes legal, they’ll mass produce and flood the market. And of course, they’ll add the same toxins they put in regular cigarettes to get you addicted, and very little THC, so you’ll have to buy more… In short, they’re going to ruin weed.” He gestured around his beloved shop, with every flavor of every strain, in its purist form, selling for at-cost prices. “I like the way things are now.”
Remember how alcohol prohibition ended in the 1930’s (probably not, but indulge me) and Anheuser, Busch, Coors, and Miller flooded the market with 3.2 beer and ruined alcohol? Wouldn’t it be nice if we could go to shops with every flavor of every micro-brew, in its purest form… oh, wait, I live in Portland, Oregon, the micro-brew capital of America and that’s what we have right now under alcohol legalization!
We have every flavor and potency of beer you can imagine plus people can go buy a kit and brew their own beer if they like. And there is wine, too, with a huge tourist industry that depends on people checking out vineyards and tasting endless varieties of vino. And there is whiskey, rum, tequila, vodka, brandy, and even super-potent Everclear in some states, all in their purest form, which is to say that used responsibly they won’t make you blind like a tub of Prohibition moonshine might.
The “Philip Morris / RJ Reynolds Toxic Addictive High-less Marijuana Market Flood” scare has been floating around the cannabis community like a stale hit of schwag for decades now. It’s a form of conspiracy theory thinking embraced by the kind of people who think you could plant 40,000 lbs. of explosives surreptitiously in a busy World Trade Center or convince all the world’s scientists and a very large soundstage crew to keep quiet about that faked moon landing for four decades. Here’s why it’s stupid:
- Prop 19 allows you to grow your own. If Philip Morris’ weed sucks, you’ll smoke your own or your friend’s.
- Prop 19 allows cities to consider sales. Bad toxic Philip Morris weed is the kind of competition a purveyor of hand-trimmed, non-keifed*, organic high-potency bud would want, wouldn’t she?
- Prop 19 allows cities to regulate production. They can dictate exactly what is or isn’t added to cannabis, how much is produced, by whom, and where.
- In order for Philip Morris to sell their weed, somebody has to want to smoke it. Nothing about Prop 19 makes Prop 215 or the dispensaries go away. In fact, it gives the existing dispensaries the potential to serve even more customers. So who’s buying this toxic addictive high-less marijuana?
No, if you want to really understand what is going on here, look back to that alcohol prohibition and ask yourself how excited Al Capone was reading the headlines trumpeting its imminent repeal. It’s not a perfect analogy, as Capone was a murderous criminal thug and these dispensary owners are law-abiding businesspeople. And yes, dispensary owners, like Craig, often help destitute cancer patients for free, though one could counter that Capone and his gangs gave out free turkeys on Thanksgiving. My main point is that both are businesspeople dealing in a prohibited product.
Or just look back to the article on Craig:
He gestured around his beloved shop, with every flavor of every strain, in its purist form, selling for at-cost prices. “I like the way things are now.”
“Last month,” Craig explained proudly, “there were 24 operating marijuana collectives in Venice. A month from now, there will only be two. And we’ll be one of them.” With that, he opened the door to the inner sanctum. The “product” room.
Now, if you ran a business where you could sell your product for $5-$15 per GRAM or $200 to $800 per OUNCE, and you only had to compete with one other business in your local area, would you be excited about the prospect of many more competitors and prices dropping as much as 80%? Most of your customers already got their Prop 215 recommendation, so it isn’t as if legalization is going to bring you enough additional customers to offset the change in business margins.
Prop 19 means that marijuana retailers become more like other retail businesses, instead of the loosely-regulated turnkey goldmines they have been. That’s what Craig doesn’t like. Well, that and kids smoking pot:
“Two, legalization will mean more fifteen-year-old kids smoking pot. … If they legalize marijuana, there’s no chance that fewer 15-year-olds will smoke. And there’s a good chance that more will. Anything that will probably make more 15-year-olds put substances in their bodies, in my opinion, is a bad thing.”
Really, the “What About the Children?!?” argument? Right now, under prohibition, 85% of high school seniors and 69% of sophomores (a.k.a. fifteen-year-olds) find it easy to get weed. Right now, under prohibition, kids say it is easier to buy marijuana than alcohol. So it appears to me that locking up healthy adults for their marijuana use hasn’t really done much to stop teens from getting and using pot. How about we try letting adults smoke a joint, and when they go to buy it, they buy it from a regulated shop where only adults are let in and all IDs are rigorously checked, you know, like that alcohol kids find harder to buy.
Besides, there is no reason to believe that youth use will increase. Since California passed Prop 215 in 1996, the regime Craig likes now, teen use of marijuana has decreased. Prop 19 makes the penalty for supplying weed to those under 21 as stringent as supplying alcohol to those under 21. And we’ve seen teen use of tobacco, a legal substance far cheaper and more addictive than marijuana, plummet in the past ten years through education, advertising restriction, social disapproval (no indoor smoking, for example) and strict ID requirements.
Craig and the other dispensary owners who oppose Prop 19 are the “I Gots Mine” element of the anti-legalization campaign. They’ve got the corner on a retail market worth billions, one that is only worth billions if you arrest 850,000 mostly-black-and-brown adults a year for participating in it. They’ve got their doctors happy to take a Benjamin or two to give you permission to use a drug safer than the aspirin you need no permission for. I wouldn’t want people to vote to change that, either…
…except that I think it’s just immoral to arrest people for smoking weed if we’re going to leave them alone when drinking alcohol. I don’t care if it is profitable to the state or detrimental to the dispensary industry – arrests for marijuana are wrong, period.
*”Kiefed” means to shake loose the crystals of THC from the product before packaging for sale. The crystals, or “kief” are collected and smoked or vaporized, and, being THC crystals, are very effective. Philip Morris will certainly need to use huge machines to process weed, which will certainly shake loose a lot of kief. One grower friend of mine says he will advertise for his prized buds with the slogan “Don’t let ’em thief the kief!”
I don’t know about it being human nature that everyone is after their own dollars……after their own maybe, whatever that may be. Unfortunately some do it at the expense of the freedom of others. That’s where the line is drawn between unselfish, compassionate, caring individuals and those that are only out for their own! Unless the selfish change, they will end up old and lonely.
I think adding chemicals to marijuana similar to those in cigarettes is absurd. The purpose of this legalization should be for the medicinal benefits that marijuana possesses, not just to make a buck.
How many people will want to smoke marijuana with chemicals added to them? The world hates Big Tobacco so much for that already when it comes to cigarettes that they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they were to come out of the gates like that.
But, any way you look at it, I’m a huge advocate of supporting my own community by supporting local business as much as possible. What a change it has made for the city of Long Beach.
@editor: “…and should be supported by all of those who think arresting responsibly acting people for cannabis is wrong and a poor use of limited government resources.”
Is it not a responsible thing to hold a valid medical card to smoke pot legally and not worry about being arrested? I think you are blurring the line between those who use marijuana responsibly and those who abuse it like any other drug. It’s sad to say but there is a distinct correlation between marijuana use and crime, not because using is a crime (especially when a ‘responsible’ user holds a medical card) but because it is (sadly) abused by those with tendencies for crime (and for getting ‘fucked up’ in any way they can.) I think using ‘annual arrest statistics’ is misleading. A responsible user will make any effort to do it legally by holding a medical card first.
[Editor’s note: It is hard to identify which of your baseless assertions is more incorrect, that non-medical cannabis users create ‘a distinct correlation between marijuana use and crime’ or that a ‘responsible use will make any effort to do it legally by holding a medical card first’? Why should a non-sick, dying or sense threatened adult have to go through the ridiculous legal hoops to effectively lie to a physician (in many cases they’re lying to unethical ‘pot docs’) to have a legal excuse to use cannabis in the privacy of their home? What is responsible about a system largely based on lying, unethical physicians and profiteering retailers?
If a person is genuinely sick, dying or sense threatened, and along with a physician they actually have a relationship with beyond a $100 credit card transaction ($75 cash, thank you!) believe cannabis is the best therapy for them, great. The government should not get in the way of that primary relationship and choice of therapies. But, today, the hundreds of retail dispensaries (found principally in CA, CO and MT) exist to serve the hundreds of thousands of citizens who’re self-evidently gaming the gray area between prohibition and medicalization.
Is this necessarily a bad thing? No. This is the American way.
During Alcohol Prohibition hundreds of thousands of Americans were able to get prescriptions to legally consume alcohol for ‘medical’ purposes. Cannabis prohibition laws may well be following a similar path.]
Cannabis laws are headed in the same path I’d have to agree. And they will! American’s often blur the line between the abuser and responsible user. We have this way of thinking that says, “Oh, two beers made me feel great-why not drink five more?”
More more more is all we want, and so far almost every attempt at this more has been successful. Except for one thing; oil. Now the economies failing and will continue to fail (which I”m sure they know) and Voila- Cannabis is still around through all the mess as if to say “I’m still here!”
If only our politicians worked in a quicker manner all of us could actually start living the way of the future today.
It’s survival of the fittest out there, whether it be cigarette consumption, drinking alcohol, or smoking marijuana- it all comes down to choice. And yes there are always those who will be greedy. It’s up to us to be greedier than the selfish and take what’s ours!
I don’t know, but I’m excited for the near future. Even the dispensary guy will see that the “I got’s mine” mentality will only work for so long. When it comes to cannabis, we all got ours…
I disagree about growers adulterating it…one could say the alcohol industry enjoys many fine brands of top shelf brands that are created with customer quality in mind, and many cheaper types for those on a budget (think Jack Daniels special aged single barrel vs ripple. When selling weed legally, there will always be a demand for carefully bred product, and the cheap stuff, but it will mean prices will go down overall.
SCREW the feds,states,municipalities,po-lice depts and EVERYONE else. I’m 67 yrs old and I KNOW MY OWN MIND!! I will defend with my life my right to do with MY LIFE as I please without interference from any of the above. I am hurting no one and CERTAINLY NOT MYSELF!!! I have less arthritis pain and will stand up for my GOD given rights to use what HE has blessed us with!! DAMN anyone who interferes!!!!!!!
P.S. Read the book of Genisis and see WHO gave the herbs to man. Who are we to debate his will?????
I don’t agree with the editor. It’s not lying when you get your marijuana card and how dare you make that statement. When I went, I told him I’m having pains in my back because of work. Its that fucking easy… and it isn’t lying. If you smoke it because you want to get fucked up and be an idiot, go ahead. I am a responsible user who not only wants to get fucked up but wants to get rid of pain too. GET YOUR DAMN CARD!!! Its not “lying” to the “unethical pot docs” like you say. I hate that you say that. Who are you anyways? And what makes you such a pot guru that you have the balls to say things like that?
I’ve seen the biggest losers abuse pot, these losers don’t get their cards because they have priors and are afraid to be on record because of their seedy lifestyle. Those are the ones who aren’t responsible.
Going through hoops??? Are you kidding me?? Again you don’t understand how all of this works… so how dare you put the people who get their cards down like that? how dare you. Profiteering retailers??? What?
It’s article writers like you that make me realize even the one’s who think they’re Guru’s in the field and are standing up for the little guy are just as clueless about it all. Lets all just make it legal so every dumbass will try pot and kids will have even more of a reason to give it a sample… so now everyone will be fucked up and numb… THOSE are the responsible users you’re talking about?
I got my card, I have access to great collectives with nice, real, old school hippy growers who love the crop like a good wine. I enjoy it, it lessens the pain… EVERYONE is on Advil or Tylenol… so this is a great replacement. How is that “lying” to get my card. Idiot.
(kudos to you if you approve this and not edit it out… )
Hey Freebird, why don’t you read the article again as well as some of the better constructed arguments in the comments that don’t take any personal pot shots at the author. Personal insults such as IDIOT don’t add any weight to your argument.
Also, something tells me that you are in the 18-20 year old category. Especially when you make the irresponsible suggestion that kids should be trying it as well.
I can ascertain that it is you, firebird, that doesn’t know all that there is to know on this subject to make an educated and factual statement.
Thanks for this info – hadn’t considered this aspect of the legalization situation before. I only recently took advantage of the medical program here in CA, and am now quite curious where they stand on this issue at the dispensary I’ve been patronizing.
Any suggestions on ways to find out which dispensaries do and do not support Prop. 19, and what we might do or say as their customers responding to an anti-legalization position?
Jeez. You guys are all smoking crack! Have any of you read the TWELVE pages of this “legalization” document? First of all, makes legalization conditional. A true legalization prop would be a couple of paragraphs like 215 was. It is not a first step as you all seem to believe. It is only a step for a very few individuals to make all the profit. Second, as most of you seem to be in denial of, the price will be regulated by those few that are allowed to sell it. They will set the price, like they already do, at the amount that they know you will pay for it. If you want the price to go down, then make it truly legal where the market will be flooded. Instead, this prop will keep illegally grown weed to be sold at top dollar to get the good stuff instead of the Phillip Morris dumb down Coors Light weed. Third, you have to remember who is forcing this through, Richard Lee, a guy who put 1.9 million dollars behind getting the ballot signatures. He already makes 30 million a year. Why would he put through a measure that removes his ability to do that? He has a warehouse near the Oakland airport ready to grow millions of dollars of weed. He doesn’t want your competition. That’s the point of this. Not for the common good, I can assure you, but for his own personal gain. Fourth, when ever has the government done the right thing with your money? NEVER. Just try and remember the lottery issue. We got told all the money would go to the school system, which it did, however, every cent that it generated for the school system got removed from the general budget, for the school system, and result? NOTHING CHANGED, except that the general fund got all that money. What did they do wit it? What are they dong with it now? Surely not fixing ANYTHING. The state is still broke and even even Conan the Conqueror and the Terminator couldn’t do any better than the guy we vilified and threw out. How soon we forget. You all just want to believe that your going to get free or cheap weed. You are to lazy to get a recommendation from your doctor, and to cheap. You will be justly rewarded for your stupidity. You don’t even realize that your 5×5 area will grwo more than one ounce of weed and that you will immediately be a criminal for posessing more than that. You are idealistic idiots, they kind that fuels the republican party’s hatred for liberals. The absolute worst ramification of this? You will forever destroy the self reliant economy that we have created in this state. That is OK, though, the big banks and filthy rich who own everything already will love you for it. Great job morons. Smoke some more pot. Greedy government officials everywhere are counting on your repeated stupidity. That is how the republican party gets elected by a mass of the population that they don’t serve. You are the epitome of American politics. The universe is laughing at you behind your backs.
[Editor’s note: So, one can place you in the ‘no’ camp along with narcs, alcohol interests, the drug czar, the ‘addiction rehabbers’, Scientologists and Senator Diane Feinstein.
Your ‘reasons’ why you don’t support the liberation of millions of people who consume cannabis are all pathetic and if you want to know what a moron looks like, find a mirror.
Prop 215 is conditional….less than 50% of the counties in CA allow medical cannabis sales. According to your flawed thinking, Prop. 215 should never have passed because the laws are ‘conditional’.
You feign concern for pricing…today’s so-called ‘medical’ cannabis is just as expensive as cannabis sold in ‘illegal’ channels. Under Prop 19 the government does not set the price of cannabis, but under Prop 215 medical cannabis providers set the prices…which are the same as ‘dealers’ charge non-medical consumers.
Richard Lee, a medical patient in a wheelchair, has put up most of the money for the passage of Prop 19 and is the hero to millions of cannabis consumers for his clear contribution towards enhancing personal freedom in America. BTW, under Prop 215, not Prop 19, businessman in Oakland (ie, Jeff Wilcox) are already planning to grow massive amounts of cannabis in warehouses (that the local government donated the land for these massive urban grow-ops)…and sold at Prohibition level pricing.
What, according to your world view, no conspiracy here between ‘big’ business and ‘greedy’ government…and all done under the auspices of Prop 215, not Prop 19?! Where’s your outrage?!
Lastly, if you can only grow one ounce of cannabis from a 5 x 5 plot, you are a very incompetent gardener and should rely on a truly free market absent Prohibition to just buy your smokes at a retail outlet for the lowest price.
If medical patients want to keep paying $15-$25 a gram for ‘medical’ cannabis, continue the government tyranny created by prohibition laws, keep the arrest rate up to 70,000 a year in CA and soon see their whole-smoked medicine be replaced by FDA-approved pharmaceuticals derived from the cannabis plant, by all means vote ‘no’ on Prop. 19.
For the rest of the sane world, we’ll be supporting and voting ‘yes’ on Prop. 19 this November to help end Cannabis Prohibition in our lifetime.]
The shenanigans will always happen.Money is Involved and that always brings out the greedy Bastards who already have Money.
The City Needs to work with The Growers and that will allow for everone to pay taxes and have a Piece of the Pie.
Setting the Economic Hurdles Too High will cause Ordinary citizens TO DO Whateve it takes to GET THEIRS.The end Justifys the means in some of the minds.That would be Okay if they aren’t using gang money.HUH Ken Estes!
Just Because some Fuck up doesn’t mean that the Privelage be revoked forever for all concerned.We can count on Shenanigans.Like The kind that happend after Prop 215.
We are forthcoming!The SHIT will happen!
The Worse thing that can happen is the status quo.That is truly insane.
Rodney G Jones in such a Mindless Rhetoric Spewer that he will never realize how stupid and Rhetorical his Statement was.I Feel Sorry for Fontana for having such an Ignorant Police Chief.
Prop 19 will help you in your fight against violence.
I am so Tired of Cannabis being Linked with the Violence that HARD DRUGS cause.
Any Drug sold from a street corner is Dangerous.DUH!!
He Talks about Issues that prop 19 is Needed to Help Stop and He does Not See That.How Blind and Stupid!
Prop 19 allows for OTC sales and that eliminates the danger of street sales.DUH!!
The dangers will Go away when the black Market is taken away.
There will always be a Black Market aimed at Kids.
It is the Job of Everyone to Keep Cannabis away from the Kids and The Sub Scum Bastards who would give it too Them need to Go to PRISON.That is in the Law.
So Stop The OLD RHETORIC and Just Vote YES for a law that will beat the Hell out of the Status Quo.We can Amend what is Nebulous Later.
The Reefer Madness Must End Now!
Just Vote YES
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@ Cali dude #114:
“Jeez. You guys are all smoking crack! Have any of you read the TWELVE pages of this “legalization” document? First of all, makes legalization conditional.”
I’ve read the entire document. ‘Conditional’ legalization is to be expected in the Cannabis situation at this time. Many people are ignorant, and therefore afraid. It will take time for restrictions to loosen. This proposition was a step – a step toward better legalization, a potentially won battle in a very long and costly war.
“A true legalization prop would be a couple of paragraphs like 215 was.”
Please explain why you believe that.
Because solid legal documents are always short? Because recreational use is the same as medical use?
Because developing human bodies and minds are not more sensitive to potentially harmful effects?
Because a psychoactive and motor-affective substance poses zero dangers on the road?
“It is not a first step as you all seem to believe. It is only a step for a very few individuals to make all the profit.”
I can see how that would be your concern, if you’re a greed-motivated participant in the lucrative production or distribution of marijuana currently.
However, as many more people share my perspective of being one continually raped financially, socially and legally by Government and the Black/Gray Markets they have created/allowed, your arguments are obviously totally self-interested and lacking any true compassion for those you claim to serve.
“Second, as most of you seem to be in denial of, the price will be regulated by those few that are allowed to sell it. They will set the price, like they already do, at the amount that they know you will pay for it. If you want the price to go down, then make it truly legal where the market will be flooded. Instead, this prop will keep illegally grown weed to be sold at top dollar to get the good stuff instead of the Phillip Morris dumb down Coors Light weed.”
Here you are either confusing two separate issues (legalization and corporatism), or actually claiming to have opposed Prop. 19 so as to keep prices from going up or holding at the already prohibition-inflated levels you now enjoy and support … contradictory?
“Third, you have to remember who is forcing this through, Richard Lee, a guy who put 1.9 million dollars behind getting the ballot signatures. He already makes 30 million a year. Why would he put through a measure that removes his ability to do that? He has a warehouse near the Oakland airport ready to grow millions of dollars of weed. He doesn’t want your competition. That’s the point of this. Not for the common good, I can assure you, but for his own personal gain.”
Again, you prove my point that all persons or organizations currently making money off of marijuana during prohibition is suspect – that includes you. Why should we trust your true intentions any more than you trust his?
“Fourth, when ever has the government done the right thing with your money? NEVER. Just try and remember the lottery issue. We got told all the money would go to the school system, which it did, however, every cent that it generated for the school system got removed from the general budget, for the school system, and result? NOTHING CHANGED, except that the general fund got all that money. What did they do wit it? What are they dong with it now? Surely not fixing ANYTHING. The state is still broke and even even Conan the Conqueror and the Terminator couldn’t do any better than the guy we vilified and threw out. How soon we forget.”
Again, you are confusing issues. Government use of tax money has nothing to do with my right to legally use Cannabis as a responsible adult. You did not vote against misuse of revenue by the Feds … you voted against lower prices on your cash cow.
“You all just want to believe that your going to get free or cheap weed.”
That’s true. It’s a plant that grows abundantly in the wild. It should not cost as much as it does. Medicine (including Cannabis) should not cost as much as it does. Food should not cost as much as it does. Shelter should not cost as much as it does. Fuel should not cost as much as it does. You’re proud to be one of the few driving the many to suffer and die for the artificial cost of life’s necessities?
“You are to lazy to get a recommendation from your doctor, and to cheap.”
I have my recommendation. To pay for that ‘privilege’ and continually for the medicine itself proves that I am not cheap. Since I have to work hard for the money to pay the MedPot Industry it’s prohibition-profiteer rates, that proves I am not lazy. Many people who could benefit from Cannabis do not have these luxuries, for being on lower incomes. It is an increasing hardship for even myself.
“You will be justly rewarded for your stupidity. You don’t even realize that your 5×5 area will grow more than one ounce of weed and that you will immediately be a criminal for possessing more than that.”
You are the stupid one, as you misunderstood the law as written. One who grows in the legal space may posses everything produced in that space, including past harvests. One ounce is only the limit on what may be possessed outside of your residence.
“You are idealistic idiots, they kind that fuels the republican party’s hatred for liberals.”
Why are you equating the views of those who disagree with you with political party affiliation? Seems like you are attempting to use the same divisive partisanship that government uses to confuse the issues …
“The absolute worst ramification of this? You will forever destroy the self reliant economy that we have created in this state.”
That is the plan, and that is alright – because I care more about people (including myself) suffering across the planet under prohibition, than your self-reliant economy created in your state … you’ve selfishly made a global issue into a local one, a human rights issue into a financial concern.
“That is OK, though, the big banks and filthy rich who own everything already will love you for it. Great job morons. Smoke some more pot. Greedy government officials everywhere are counting on your repeated stupidity.”
Wrong again. How do you think government, banks and various other wealthy gain and keep their power? On the backs of others. Using prohibition to target the poorer members of society. This is what you choose to continue. We will end prohibition, we will stop feeding those who would bleed us dry, whether they be in Big Government, Banking or MedPot.
“That is how the republican party gets elected by a mass of the population that they don’t serve. You are the epitome of American politics. The universe is laughing at you behind your backs.”
No – the universe is weeping. You’re the only one laughing … for now.
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45$ / eighth oz.
so we are still looking at 360 dollars per ounce, for a plant that grows easily. I encourage any legal medical marijuana user to grow their own medicine in an effort to drive down the costs for those who cannot grow.
the people that are largely all 4 prohibition are the ones who are capitalizing from it. lots of money in the black market.
I am from boston anybody no’s do I have to a card to buy weed out there
Seven years have passed since I commented.
The REEFER MADNESS in waning .
Medical Cannabis is now mainstream .
The Old School Growers left standing GET IT
Greed still has its grip on our community.
There is no longer the need to hide .
The BEST PRACTICE is to obtain all permits when cultivating. Assuring the electrical is totally legal. Those grows usually NEVER GET RAIDED.
Because they have done their best to COMPLY .
Prop 215 was nebulous from the start allowing rogue DAs to take advantage of the confusion.
The biggest flaw was “The Burden of Proof” placed on the defense in cultivation cases.
I won an appeal due to this burden of proof being unconstitutional . People vs Giangiobbe
So many cases paved the way to our current status
So many brave principals like Ken Estes
His longevity is epic.
Did all the youngsters think the status quo came without sacrifice ? HELL NO