Well, if nothing else, the United States Drug Enforcement Administration is predictable.
DEA says it will make ‘fake pot’ products illegal
[excerpt] Within 30 days, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration will criminalize the possession and sale of “fake pot” products and the chemicals they contain for at least a year while it considers whether to ban them permanently.
via The Fort Worth Star TelegramThe DEA announced Wednesday that it will temporarily control five chemicals used in products such as “K2” and “Spice,” as well as the products themselves, according to a press release from the agency.
In 30 days the agency will publish a final notice making the products illegal for at least one year, with the possibility of a six-month extension while the Department of Health and Human Services studies whether the chemicals should be permanently controlled, according to the release.
And from the DEA’s official press release: The United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is using its emergency scheduling authority to temporarily control five chemicals (JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, CP-47,497, and cannabicyclohexanol) used to make “fake pot” products. Except as authorized by law, this action will make possessing and selling these chemicals or the products that contain them illegal in the U.S. for at least one year while the DEA and the United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) further study whether these chemicals and products should be permanently controlled.
To date, NORML officially has had little to say regarding this matter. The issue is somewhat removed from NORML’s mission statement — as the organization supports regulations for the adult use, production, and distribution of marijuana — not the retail sale and recreational use of synthetic cannabinoid agonists, which is what these chemicals are.
That said, the growing popularity of products are a predictable outgrowth of criminal marijuana prohibition. As prohibition is apt to do, it has driven the production of a commodity into the hands of unregulated, unknown dealers, driven up the potency of the commodity, and in doing so created a scenario where the consumer is faced with a potentially greater health risks than they would be had they simply had the legal choice to use the product they actually desired, in this case cannabis.
Given that most manufacturers of these products are overseas and not subject to U.S. laws and regulations, it is unlikely that the DEA’s action will in any way halt the dissemination, use, or misuse of these products by the public. Most likely, the DEA’s clamp down will likely only make the situation more dangerous — from both a legal standpoint and from a health standpoint — to the consumer.
I guess the DEA just never learns.
Ryan Grim at Huffington Post has more on the story here.
Bought time
So now their going to waste more time and more money trying to rid places of “fake pot” as it were.There have been substitutes out for decades and just now their figuring this out?If they made real marijuana legal and regulated it which os a must then their would be no fakes any more and being regulated it would be safe for consumers cause the FDA would then have a hand in what can and cannot beused in growing it such as pesticides and other harmful growth enhancers
STUPIDITY marches on.
America is supposed to be a country of freedom, but it seems that communism is more like it. Constant regulation of peoples behaviors, attitudes, and choices has done nothing more than to centralize the power in this nation. Let people make their own decisions and for those who wish to not smoke marijuana, then don’t. It is that simple.
Unbelievable. Just one more example of the federal government (and federal politicians) insisting on more and more anti-pot measures, while at the same time the states and the average citizen favor more and more liberalization of marijuana laws.
Let’s make conditions even shittier in America. Now we’ll have to be sober going through the full body scanner. America is becoming petty, and these attempts to crack down on a means to relieve stress are at bare minimum infringing… I wish we were still free.
Maybe one day Americans will be able to pursue happiness again.
Jeez! The DEA needs to just go away. If a person wants to smoke marijuana or self medicate, let them! The Gov’t is so worried about overpopulization, if someone wants to do away with themselves, you’d think they’d be happy for the help… We are losing any rights we had. Land of the free? I think not…
Thus is just sad, do these people really have nothing better to do. They have made Marijuana illegal but since some people have made a conscious effort to abide by the law while still enjoying there life they feel th need to screw us just one more way. To hell with the DEA, God forbid we should be able to enjoy the first amendment.
I’m really growing tired of this crap! Seriously, this will cause even more abuse since it has been labeled to be dangerous by the DEA. What’s next? Banning Nutmeg? Why give the criminals another means to make money? I just don’t get it!
@ Paul-
Great analysis, as always. I hope the Federal Government gets its head-in-the-sand ostrich mentality surrounding drug policy straight… sooner rather than later, for all of our sakes.
Thank you for keeping us informed.
Hey as far as I’m concerned that fake pot was bad for you anyway I say this is one drug the DEA should go after. It’s a damn pill anyway.
Its interesting that the DEA is willing to have the chemicals in these ‘products’ tested to determine if they will make them illegal, but will not openly test the chemicals in marijuana to see if they should be legal!?
I can not wait to end career politicians that allow the insanity of our corrupt and ass-backwards government to operate in such a demoralized and unconstitutional manor.
Vote for term limits on all political positions and bring about a better representation of the people and current cultural trends, end to this out of control government, and re-prioritize the job of the DEA and related agents.
We Need Our Country Back!
Isn’t the only reason that these products exist is because marijuana is illegal?
When the hell are Americans going to wake up and realize all this drug war bullshit was planned from the get-go to take away your rights? Smell the fascism homies, you are walking right into it, while the CIA keeps smuggling tons of cocaina into the US to numb your face out, if you get caught with that cocain you are getting jailed, Obama doesnt need to “realize this” he knows all this shit and supports it, you see… he is working for some very powerful people, and this drug war, this violence in Mexico, ALL THIS SHIT WAS PLANNED!! THIS AINT NO GOD DAMN CONSPIRACY THEORY. WAKE UP NOW BEFORE IS TOO LATE. You have been warned.
Once again the government wasting money time and all resources for absoultly no reason. I would take them all out this week just like they took out the american indians if i could…… BANG BANG SAYS THE POCKS……
This really pisses me off ! that shit ain’t cannabis & it just gives cannabis a bad name ! anything to bad mouth cannabis ! Whats next? we gonna ban snow cause it looks like coke ? Don’t smoke this shit ,it probably ain’t good for ya ! # 15 BINGO ! they call it synthetic MJ! We aught to sue em for defamation ! GEEEEZ Louise !
I heard out of, Los Angeles today on Radio station KNX that it has already been classified right along with, Meth & Heroin & the penalties are equally severe for possession, additionally i heard, Cooley has conceded to being defeated & had congratulated, Harris on her
win . Which brings up a point ; Almost all the politcians with prominent polititical roles that have opposed medical marijuana has gone down in defeat in Cali. . Just the opposite in the rest of America where they get elected . Example ; Christie .
Cali. also voted Democratic this year where the rest of the USA voted Republican . Just the opposite.
The only way I will be giving any thanks on Thanksgiving is if Michele Leonhart chokes on a bone and dies.
Fuck the DEA and fuck Obama for being a pussy – apparently he didn’t get the memo about the change we wanted to believe in.
Case in point,
Democrats = more pro Marijuana
Republican = Much, much more anti-marijuana .
It’s all about money,money,money .
I had to read this again . You said this so perfectly right ! It’s so true .
” That said, the growing popularity of products are a predictable outgrowth of criminal marijuana prohibition. As prohibition is apt to do, it has driven the production of a commodity into the hands of unregulated, unknown dealers, driven up the potency of the commodity, and in doing so created a scenario where the consumer is faced with a potentially greater health risks than they would be had they simply had the legal choice to use the product they actually desired, in this case cannabis ” .
Note to self. Stock up on K2 this weekend. The government makes great black markets. Now people are going to get rich selling this as well.
Prohibition doesn’t work. To keep spending $26 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR on a failed program is a crime in itself.
Anyone who truly loves marijuana would never waste their money on fake pot.K-2 and those other “fake marijuana products” probably cause lung cancer and other diseases like that.Tobacco companies must think those products interfere with business anyway.
I’m sure that the only answer is revolution.
Since when did the DEA replace “the People” or Congress? I don’t see how law enforcement has a say over the law
The vast majority of consumers use this fake marijuana so that they can pass drug test and still try to savor some of the medicinal or recreational benefits of marijuana.
The only way k2/jwh will go down in popularity is if they stop doing drug test for marijuana in the work place and in the justice system. It would take full blow marijuana legilization to accomplish this OR Medical Marijuana laws that protect us from drug screening for THC in every state.
Freedom Where??????????????????????
Oh Amsterdamn or Cali thts where the freedom
Really? LOL?
At the end of the day, all it matters to the goverment is your money in thier pockets. So they can go home get drunk as fux.
fuck the dea and just make weed legal so no one feels obligated to fuckin ingest stupid chemicals in the first place when they could go all natural… fuckin morons are making this planet less safe than more..
Just the usual demonstration of how little the DEA actually cares about people’s health or well being. It’s no mystery, every time they make something illegal a new more dangerous, less researched alternative will pop up in its place regardless of what substance it is or how many times it happens. First they made MJ, about the most benign substance around, illegal. Then the “fake pot” blends popped up with their far less predictable and possibly more serious side effects, but at least it’s generally agreed that they don’t carry much risk of any really serious health problems. Now that those are getting outlawed, (not that that will necessarily stop their sale, it’ll just make it a lot less legitimate) some Frankenstein chemical blend of god only knows what is going to take over its niche.
The only problem is that with our current attitude towards drug policy these new research chemicals are going to keep getting newer and more risky until our luck runs out and kids really do start getting hurt, and it’ll be no one’s fault but the “concerned parents” that decided every perceived threat should be outlawed no matter who it hurts, all so they can delude themselves into thinking that it will stop their little babies from using those evil drugs, regardless of if logic and statistics state otherwise.
Seriously? This is stupid.
These “fake pot” products wouldn’t exist if marijuana was legal.
WE HAVE DECIDED THESE CHEMICALS ARE UNSAFE, THEREFORE YOU WILL NEVER GET TO USE THEM OR EXPERIMENT ON THEM OR POSSESS THEM OR BE SUSPECTED OF CREATING THEM EVER AGAIN
So now the DEA NOT only enforces the law they now make law too?
Waste of money, destruction of peoples lives, pharmaceutical companies cram more deadly dope down our throats, America is a joke.
Its funny how someone else here said that similar products have existed for years. Any reader of High Times can tell you all about International Oddities. Yes, these products exist due to marijuana illegal status. Now the DEA wants to ban the chemicals used to make this junk. I say go for it, but don’t criminalize the herbs they are using. It is the chemicals they add which make this product unsafe and deadly for human consumption. So, plan ahead for the DEA to outright criminalize it.
But it comes back to this…they are here because pot is still illegal. Don’t they already kinda sorta know that if the make this illegal too that it will create a black market for it? Surely they would, but then again its the government we are talking about here.
Quick show of hands, how many people know of people abusing prescriptions? Yet a brief scan through the DEA Scheduling shows numerous medications (xanax, valium, ambien) that have very high potential for abuse as a IV versus marijuana being a I.
People of the once great nation of America, stand proud, vote out the opposition, legalize, tax & regulate it, PROFIT!
Good Move, Uncle Sam! Go ahead ahead and create ANOTHER black market, and all the violence that tags along with it. This will only make things worse. Now we can have innocent people senselessly killed over another recreational substance.
HEY GUYS, LETS TAG THIS NEW DEA BITCH WITH A NEW NAME
MRS HITLER.
ALSO, IF ONE DRUG IS MADE ILLEGAL AND MADE OUT OF KIDS’ HANDS, ANOTHER WILL BE MADE….
AND, DEA ENFORCES LAWS…NOT MAKES LAWS.
WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO OUR CHECKS AND BALANCES?
WHERE IS THE SUPREME COURT?
KEEP TAKING AWAY OUR FREEDOMS OBAMA, PELOSI, AND DEA/FBI AND IT WILL NOT BE MARCHING. IT WILL BE A REVOLUTION.
I WILL FIGHT AND DIE FOR MY BELIEFS, THATS LIBERTY.
U FIGHT AND KILL FOR MONEY, THATS TERRORISM.
I’m telling you all we need to take it to the streets. Protest.
ONE MORE THING. WHO AND WHAT AMERICAN PEOPLE VOTED FOR THE DEA TO DO THIS????? Am I not right??? This is not democracy they are doing it because they fucking feel like it. I didn’t vote for this. I think that fucking militia of a DEA needs to be brought down. It’s not democratic, American or Constitutional. America did not speak that they wanted the DEA to make such a move. America cannot afford to loose the taxes that’s being made off it. And, if this shit is addictive, they just turned all of america into the test subject.
One more thing. It’s easy as fuck to regulate it yourself. Knock offs get sold to gas stations and corner stores and the real distributors only distribute to head shops. It’s very easy to regulate. Just don’t buy it where it should not be sold in the first place.
Gasp! This is just another “make work” project for the enforcement cartel. America is slowly prying their fingers from around our freedoms and choices and they seem to need some justification for their exsistence so, let’s prohibit fake pot too. Now they can also bust down our doors, ransack our homes, arrest, fine and jail us for a whole new offense. Yippee! It is truely Thanksgiving for the narcs!
Personally and frankly speaking – fake pot doesn’t impress me – and – the fake [imposter] that impresses me least is Merinol. Call me a purest – but – I won’t give up the fight for the real deal, or let these phonies cloud the issue. Pure cannabis has tremendous value both as a food and a medicine – and – we should not lose sight of the fight because of some five and dime phony they want to propagandize and compare the real deal to and make their point.
How many people do they want on their “Governmental Plantation”? 1 in 13 citizens in Georgia are in the jail/prison system or under control through probation/parole. Kids can get high off of glue… Lets make that illegal. And Gasoline…. lets make that illegal because kids sniff it. When will this craziness end? Unbelievable.
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.”-Thomas Jefferson
More filled prison beds, more jobs for cops and correctional officers, lawyers, DEA Agents. All to save our youth from the ravages of these terrible drugs. Thank You Mr. Reagan and Mr. Bush. You should sleep well knowing all the wonderful things you have done.
I wouldn’t smoke that stuff if you paid me. At this point, I wouldn’t mind a revolt by the people. These “government” officials think they can play with us. They think they can continue to make poor judgments and unconstitutional laws. WE see this, we’re not stupid. And some people will use violence as a means to show they do not agree. Wake up Washington! We are an armed nation!
what do u expect from hte goverment? something that makes sense.
I for one support this move. I read somewhere that JWH and similar chemicals are full agonists at the receptors whereas the natural THC in marijuana is only a partial agonist, making the synthetic JWH many times more potent.
I would rather the synthetic chemicals be controlled while they are being tested for human consumption, although I have am doubtful they would be ever be rescheduled or allowed to be manufactured and sold, even if they concluded that there was absolutely zero risk or harm in using them.
I also agree that these chemicals would not even exist if marijuana was legal. The reason they had to emergency schedule this new chemical was because the much safer natural alternative was scheduled in the first place. Its sad, but its their own fault that the new chemical is gaining so much popularity and causing an increasing number of problems.
I say go ahead and schedule JWH, but remove marijuana and THC from the list!
Things can change on a dime. Just look at the race for Attorney General in California. Cooley thought he was cool – but – the people didn’t agree with him. It’s pretty damned simple – “When you play – you pay.”
It was the will of the people that changed Cooley’s direction – and – it is the will of the people that can change any direction – “Individual Will.”
This fake weed is totally bad for you. It makes your heart face like abnormally fast and you feel like shit when you smoke it. I’m glad they’re banning this stuff. Although its really sad that they won’t decriminalize marijuana. If they did that stupid people wouldn’t smoke this nasty chemical stuff. Idk about you guys, but I smoke weed cus it’s natural and it fixes everything. If I wanted to have nasty chemicals in my body I’d smoke meth or take pills everyday.
It’s about time these products were banned. We were among those who fell for the “natural herbal alternative’ B.S. , but efter observing the behavior associated with them and studying the chemicals used in
their manufacture, we stopped stocking them.
It seems that these products have become a matter of money over conciencse for many people. I chose peace of mind, and I can only hope that the powers that be will realize that by prohibiting the use of marijuana, they are pushing people to explore harmful, addictive products like Spice instead !
First the disclaimer:
I do not use or suggest the use of any substance other than marijuana,be it bunk or dank,skunk or sativa or any
blend of them.
I agree that any chemical drug should certainly be tested thoroughly before allowing human consumption.
I suggest that they get to testing,and honest testing,
because there is already a market for the drugs and to prohibit them now just gives the cartels and criminals another product to sell.
It is another damned if we do and damned if we don’t deal…..It is all we seem to get lately,in our elections,initiatives and the economy.
Instead of prohibiting they should move it into the liquor stores and at least get it out of the hands of young people.
The ideal and common sense approach(you don’t get that phrase in congress much)would be to legalize marijuana
so people wouldn’t need to worry about losing their jobs or going to prison because of a urine test. But if 30,000 people dead in Mexico means victory,then forget that ever happening.
GOD BLESS N.O.R.M.L.
If i thanked you a thousand times it would still not be enough of times for all the good you’ve done to bring the truth to the people of this Country .
Marijuana will never be legalized nor de-criminalized.
We have entire sections of our government dedicated to the economy building ( War on Drugs ) namely the D.E.A.
Imagine all of the high paying jobs that rely on drug illegality,
not to mention the political fallout from the loss of these jobs which is why the job creating (War on Drugs) will never end.
The war on drugs was created by Richard Nixon to fund secret operations in Laos and Cabodia against the wil of congress.
Loosing jobs to any Politition is political suicide.
How can such a openly corrupt administration be allowed to exist. I have no faith in our government.
Oh no! A good thing..At least the DEA is there to take it away. All kidding aside. I have used the “Spice” products. Set products have not affected me in a negative way. I still prefer Marijuana to the “Spice.” And I understand that these products effect each person in a different way, some have not affected me at all and sent my friends to places only astronauts have seen. Well, Just laying out some facts. A note to the government End The Prohibition….I’ll totally let you guys get the greens. =^P
Obamacare and the War on Drugs
Some conservatives outraged by Obamacare’s individual mandate had helped pave the way for it through the war on drugs.
If the generation of “limited government” lawmakers freshly chosen to man the trenches in Washington wishes to be taken seriously, the butcher’s bill must include some of the social conservatives’ sacred cows.
Starting with the War on Drugs.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/print/253048
Our “government” is made up of people that just don’t get it. For every problem the DEA solves (i.e. banning those fake incense K2 nonsense) they create two new ones. The solution to all this madness is to legalize the use of Sativex (basically a cannabis aerosol tincture) in the United States. If the pharmacies had a way to sell marijuana and not have to deal with it in herbal form the more likely it would be dropped out of Schedule I. Sativex is legal to use in Spain and Germany so why not have our Big Pharma lobby for it to be used here in the U.S.
Once Sativex (which stock is off the charts at almost $100 pounds British Pound) is available through the pharmacies everyone gets their piece of the pie. I have no problem with Sativex it is just using the ice-o-later method of making bubblehash and turning it into an aerosol (oversimplication but basically that’s what I’ve read).
So let Big Pharma have their hot new product and the entire war on marijuana goes away. Legalize hemp/marijuana by dropping them out of Schedule I and your doctor can write you a prescription now for Sativex or generic. The generic is marijuana in any format you want so that is the ticket to having marijuana off the DEA’s plate.
THE GOOD NEWS ABOUT K2 / SPICE / and the DEA;
now that the feds. have equated k2 / spice with marijuana, they have handed us the MOST POWERFULL arguement to use against them, so far.
we just say;
-yes, k2 / spice is just like marijuana,
THEREFORE, WE HAVE HAD;
-FULLY LEGAL MARIJUANA-
IN ALL 50 STATES,
-AND THE SKY DID NOT FALL !!
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DID NOT GET ADDICTED.
SOCIETY DID NOT END.
THERE WERE NOT MILLIONS OF CAR CRASHES.
THERE WERE NOT MILLIONS OF PEOPLE GOING TO WORK STONED / SMOKING AT WORK, CAUSING ACCIDENTS AND FATALITIES.
ALL THE PREDICTED DOOM AND GLOOM AND ANARCHY, NEVER HAPPENED !!
LIFE WENT ON, EXACTLY AS BEFORE !!
-and except for LEGAL AGE REQUIREMENTS, it was FULLY LEGAL !!
JUST LIKE WITH ALCOHOL, IF YOU ARE CLEARLY OVER AGE, THERE IS NO NEED TO SHOW ANY I.D. AT ALL !!
JUST LIKE WITH tobacco and prescription pills, it is LEGAL TO DRIVE AFTER SMOKING K2 /SPICE !! (intoxication is what matters, not zero tolerance)
NO DATABASES REQUIRED FOR SMOKERS !!
NO SEARCHES AND SEIZURES, BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL !!
NO ARRESTS, BECAUSE IT IS LEGAL !!
NO ONE OUNCE LIMITS, OR ONE POUND LIMITS, NO LIMITS OF ANY KIND !!
NO ONE BEING PISS TESTED, OR DENIED EMPLOYMENT !!
NO EXTREME SECURITY REQUIREMENTS for sellers !!
NO SPECIAL LICENCES / PERMITS / FEES REQUIRED for sellers !!
NO SPECIAL ‘DRUG-FREE’ ZONES AROUND SCHOOLS, PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS !!
NO SPECIAL I.D. CARDS OR FINGERPRINTING FOR SMOKERS !!
NO SPECIALTAXES; SALES TAXES COLLECTED WERE THE SAME AS ANY OTHER TAXABLE PRODUCT !!
JUST LIKE tobacco and alcohol, IT WAS NOT ON THE ‘SCHEDULE’ SYSTEM; not schedule 1, or 2, or 3, or 4, or 5.
CAN USE FOR RECREATIONAL USE !!
CAN USE FOR MEDICAL USE !!
CAN USE FOR RELIGIOUS USE !!
it was FULLY LEGAL, AND THE SKY DID NOT FALL !!
THEREFORE, IF WE FULLY LEGALIZE REAL MARIJUANA,
THE SKY WILL NOT FALL !!
SO; that’s EXACTLY what we need to shoot for.
MAKE MARIJUANA TOTALLY, COMPLETELY, FULLY, 100 % LEGAL !! (for adults)
rumor has it that alot of important officials will be watching the ratings of this… lets overwhelm them?!!?!!?!?!
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=114552811944141
“The American public looks to the DEA to protect its children and communities from those who would exploit them for their own gain,” said DEA Acting Administrator Michele M. Leonhart. “Makers of these harmful products mislead their customers into thinking that ‘fake pot’ is a harmless alternative to illegal drugs, but that is not the case. Today’s action will call further attention to the risks of ingesting unknown compounds and will hopefully take away any incentive to try these products.
Straight from the horse’s mouth. How about instead of going on a rampage of banning substitutes left and right you just do the sane thing and at LEAST decriminalize cannabis. “The American public looks to the DEA to protect its children and communities” AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Please, no more! I can’t stop laughing!! If you want to protect your children and communities, stop placing innocent people in jail/prison for using a (safer) alternative to alcohol. I’m pretty sure anyone who has had to deal with the police for simple possession will agree, along with anyone else with 1/2 a brain, that the laws against cannabis do more harm to an individual and their family than the substance they are trying to “protect” us from.
I smell a new gov’t agency.
# 10 waitinforchange.
Your name says it all. You’re “growing tired of this crap” ? I’ve been tired of it for the last 35 years. Why doncha get up off your ass and do something about it? Do you live in California? If so,then why DIDN”T you go out and vote YES on prop 19? Why aren’t you posting home made videos on You Tube like myself and so many others? Why doncha go down to your local church and explain to them the evils of prohibition?
A lot of this has to do with the fact that Obama has a domineering wife. Behind every “sucessful” man is a domineering woman…….Look at George Herbert Walker Bush, for example.
She’s the one that got Barry to give up weed and now that they have 2 kids…………………..
I praise the DEA chiefs for dressing themselves, speaking without drooling and knowing how to tell time. When you consider the type of decisions they make in other aspects, it is amazing they are able to do all that they do without round-the-clock supervision in a group home.
D.E.A. is law ENFORCEMENT.
law ENFORCEMENT does not MAKE LAW.
CONGRESS makes LAW.
SO THIS IS JUST MORE UN-CONSTITUTIONAL B.S..
to post #61: You can also use the argument that k2 and spice had worse side effects and are more dangerous as well.
Come on people, what about free? It seems the more america tries to legalize pot the more the government tries to regulate other things..(so i wonder how many innocent kids will be killed by black market sub.’s for pot? How many of you out there know of any person killed by pot use,i am also speaking to you at the dea b/c i know you have a bunch of flunkies reading my post… now how many do you know of that has been directly killed by over the counter meds,now prescribed meds ,now alcohol? me my self i can name quite a few on all above but one can you guess the one?thats right POT … So please take your heads out of your asses there at the DEA and see that poy is not as bad as refer madness says!! Now we know our laws can be changed by the DEA,legalize it…….
NORML CANT ADVERTISE FOR ITSELF SO WE BETTER SUPPORT NORML BY TAGGING NORML.ORG ON EVERYTHING WITH GREEN SPRAYPAINT!!! NO,SERIOUSLY SOME PEOPLE WHO USE MARIJUANA HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THIS WEBSITE BEFORE BECAUSE THE F.C.C PREVENTS NORML FROM RUNNING ADVERTISEMENTS ON T.V. FOR IT.
Oh NO! Not Marijuana… Let me load my guns!
Tax $ Hard at work again. When will the FEDS stop drinking?
What an AWESOME argument “jon ganj-ovi” LETS PUSH IT PEOPLE!!!!!!!!! PUSH IT HARD!!! He most definetly has somthing here. And im still willing to take out the stupid DEA!!!!FUCK YOU FUCKS MAKING MONEY ON MY POT!!!!!!!
i, am an unfortunate soul who gets hair tested in order to work. so when serenity came along…i tried it, cautiously and, do use it on occation but, i found that, to get a bit of that comfort that cannabis has always brought me, i only had to hit the bowl once every couple hours or so. these clowns that think you can huff this crap like cannabis are sadly mistaken. that is why kids are landing in the emergency room….i know you cannot “replace ” natures comfort with this plastic k2 or serenity. personnaly, im glad they will ban it. i wont miss it either. i do miss the goodness of cannabis.this suck ass government is too much for the people to change the cannabis laws in a voting manner..i dont see where enough governmnet officials have the balls to change what is wrong with cannabis laws..not in my lifetime…how can we get people to listen to the people who use cannabis..those that dont understand could here it from the horses mouth…we need comercials..speak up people..peace to you all
If these products and chemicals will be illegal, what will be the penalty if found to be in possesion of them? Will it be the same as if you were possessing marijuana?
Holy Smokes. I use aspirin for pain relief as a substitute for marijuana.
Rev.sLeezy
The stupidity of the people is in direct relation to the corruption of our leaders.
Republicans and Democrats are one and the same, get it!
I believe it’s time for a real change because a ” Goverment that doesn’t trust it’s people shouldn’t be trusted ” or tolerated!!!
I am a little leary about anything(especially chemicals and pharma s or other drug type substances ) being added to anything I consume .After finding out about all the poisonous chemicals and other toxic agents found in tobacco cigarettes, It became evident to me that cigarettes had become a delivery system for the deadly cancer virus.How ironic it was to discover that those who promoted the use of chemicals also had a hand in making the only natural cure for cancer illegal.I am a little miffed at how any regulated drug could be found to be so awfully contaminated as to cause cancer . I suggest those who regulate cannabis see to it that cannabis dose not wind up like tobacco.Our hopes if not over regulated cannabis will cure cancer rather than cause it.I think its a good idea to let the fda
restrain the use of chemicals on any consumable goods.In fact the more crap we hear about wanting our natural cures legalized,The more crap I wanna hear about all the chemicals used in food growing and processing and other consumable products.I think cannabis and hemp should become as legal and free to grow and consume as salad and maybe even remain unregulated if our only choice is to have chemicals put in it or on it.
Wow it just dawned on me, someone out there can do this, bear with me.
If someone could shower the internet with a web site, no, multiple web sites with information about each political candidate, who and what they support, who and what corporations they take money from or are linked to and not indicate which party these politicians belong we can eliminate the party system thus making each Politition electable based on their actions.
How about changing unlawful punishments based on earnings.
If a person that makes minimum wage gets a speeding ticket for $200.00 and a person that makes a million a year gets a speeding ticket for $200.00 who is punished the most ?
If a lawmaker signs a bill into law he or she should be punished three fold for the crime, am I right?
How many politicians do you think have smoked pot.
yea here we go.This is sure a strange turn of events .Where were the fEDS and the DEA when chemical poisons were found to be in tobacco?Why was tobacco not banned then?It was clearly dangerous and found to give people cancer because of all the chemicals in it.. ARSNIC FOR GODS SAKE.It was poisoned and it still is and its still raking in the bucks and so is the MIC Along with all the chemical companies who provided the chemicals.Admit it cigarettes are a drug that is killing people and making them very sick yet the DEA nor the FEDS seem the slightest bit worried about it actually harming us or our kids etc.This is a contradiction I do not understand.I would think the population could trust their government to regulate the safety of a product.How is it tobacco wound up with all these poisons in it if it were being regulated properly and controlled by the government?Was making cannabis illegal only a part of a plan to make us all sick with no cure in sight,in an effort to profit big pharmaceutical and chemical industries?I donno but maybe so.
Look at all the money made in alcohol treatment programs.the list of treatment facilities has grown tremendously.They cost so much money to maintain and operate.Trying to get people off alcohol is like trying to pull hens teeth.And talk about a dangerous substance .It will do serious liver damage.
Maybe we should take a look at chemical pharmaceuticals
Lets start with over the counter drugs,how about pain killers that do liver and kidney damage with long term use.what no safe natural pain killers besides alcohol?
Humm this should net quiet a bit of business for the treatment centers …need I say more about what the government has made legal to spite all the dangers involved?I think cannabis is the first drug that I do not see as harmful and dangerous and actually has healthy benefits as long as no one poisons it with chemicals we will do good to have it legal and available for any one who wishes to grow it or use it.
the laws against cannabis do more harm to an individual and their family than the substance they are trying to “protect” us from.
Except that it is a natural cure for cancer,can provide sustenance to feed hungry people,cloth and fiber for paper ,and is also a renewable fuel,
I can see no reason why cannabis should be illegal.
It has few pest enemies,needs no chemical pesticides or herbicides.Its a very hardy plant.Cannabis should be very inexpensive to raise.
Why would any one wish to use a fake substitute?
The DEA is not trying to protect us from the dangers of cannabis because there are not any.They are the only dangers associated with cannabis.
The DEA is trying to protect the Dupont Rockefeller and Fabins who thrive on sick people with cancer and all those chemicals on cotton and tobacco.And why hell the powers that be have enslaved a whole nation of healthy young pot smokers in prison,who now work for 35 cents an hour,because the government is determined to keep its poison pharma petrol and chemical industries hard at work producing poisonous chemicals and fighting since less illegal wars over petrol.I wondered if These guys purchased our government,so the big money gets to call the shots.It would seem this big government behind the government has made it illegal to cure your self from cancer,using a natural remedy.Now this is pretty sick on their part.But maybe they are into sick. Remember this IS the same people who supported Hitlers Germany during the war.They are into sadistic.Money not
humans is their objective.Rocker always thought we should use prisoners for his medical experiments.Hes the one who started the eugenics program here in America .He proceeded to have people sterilized and eliminate those of us who were not perfect.He thought people with sever disabilities should be terminated.This little program still exists under the wire.see Bayer sells aids virus contaminated PLASMA to hemophilia Patients in America who in turn send it to three other countries where it is distributed and sold for profit.When confronted Bayer says “these plans were set in place years ago and are humane”People in the countries this contaminated plasma were sent to were charged and placed in prison or executed.while no one in america was charged nor prosecuted,and neither was Bayer.This happened three years ago in 2007.These people are jaded bad.It is a wonder they can sleep at night.Rocker is still using prisoners for his drug experiments.I can only hope the DEA sees the evil involved in all this.
Thats just what the Government needs to do is spend another trillion dollars to make something else illegal and that is y america is in a recesion. One of the most dangerious things ever is alchohol but to hell with making it illegal lets just let it kill people in many different ways. I say we the people should rise up against the so called people out for the bettering of this country and take it back for us
I am glad the fake pot is being looked into.depending on the chemicals involved they may find that these chemicals are very toxic,and were maybe intended to be so.I do not know that much about it,but i am guessing chemicals including pharmaceuticals are not where any of us wanna go.In light of the fact that it is big chem-pharma that wants to keep natural cures like cannabis off the market,Far be it from me to suggest they would try to once again cash in on the unavailability of natural cannabis cures and uses .Just as they did with tobacco.luring us into their toxic chemical poison alternative products that wind up making us all very sick oh how convenient since they own all the hospitals and pharmacies.
Thank Obama for not getting rid of every republican that George Bush appointed to the DEA and Justice!
Hope and Change turned into More of the Same!
Willie Nelson charged with cannabis possession
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8166118/Willie-Nelson-charged-with-cannabis-possession.html
Of course we had to hear about it first from Europe,because of the corporately owned news media.
Texas — Country music superstar Willie Nelson was arrested Friday morning for allegedly having about 6 ounces of marijuana after his tour bus was stopped at the Border Patrol checkpoint in Sierra Blanca, about 85 miles east of El Paso. He posted bond and was released shortly after.
Nelson, 77, was traveling from California to Austin, where he owns a ranch.
Nelson, who has written hundreds of songs including “Crazy,” “Whiskey River” and “On the Road Again,” was stopped at the checkpoint about 9 a.m.
Border Patrol agents searched Nelson’s tour bus and found the marijuana, which Nelson claimed was his, said Hudspeth County Sheriff Arvin West.
Nelson, who has performed duets with Toby Keith, Julio Iglesias, George Jones and many more, was taken into custody and booked into the Hudspeth County Jail. West said that Nelson posted a $2,500 bond and was on the road again by 1:30 p.m. Friday.
“It’s kind of surprising, but, I mean, we treat him like anybody else,” West said.
“He could get 180 days in county jail, which if he does, I’m going to make him cook and clean,” West said
What next ? Beating of Children ?
With Freedom you take your chances, what you leave behind has no value beyond The Vail
Stay out of, California – U.S.A.
Oakland, CA: Oakland city officials are seeking to license up to four industrial-sized medical marijuana grow operations within the city limits. City officials began accepting applications from prospective growers this week.
Licensed growers would be required to pay a $211,000 annual fee to the city of Oakland to operate the cultivation sites.
The permits do not set limits regarding the quantity of cannabis that licensed producers may cultivate at each given site.
The Federal Government is the BIG PHARMA of the approval of FDA drugs used by the masses in our country and now the AUTHORITARIANS the DEA (DEAD END ATROCITIES) want to be THE BANANA REPUBLIC dictators of law in what we want to ingest in our bodies. Now that we have this synthetic smoking shit going around, it’s going to clamp down our on rights even more. This fake stuff is just another by-product of the drug war on MARIJUANA PROHIBITION, people looking for a cheap way to get high just like crack. To the users of by-product drugs I hope you all kick the bucket or get brain dammage, you deserve it because of your stupidity. When are you going to get the big picture on what is going around yourselves. And that goes for the happy pills and painkillers produced by BIG PHARMA and the rest of the junk they produce that kills or injures you and don’t forget about the coke and heroin and meth by the drug cartels. That is the way your going to kiss the sky and never come down again or get brain damage. FREE THE WEED FOR IT TO BE LEGAL and the rest of the trash will eventually be gone. And by the way, who is going to fill the concentration camps set up by BIG BROTHER across the country, it will not be them it will be people like us who want real freedom from FEDERAL INVASION of our rights of what we ingest or the way we think and say. Next on the FED agenda will be THE DREAM POLICE. The technology is there and BIG BROTHER IS WAITING TO EVEN GET MORE CONTROL OVER US. The real terrorists are in our own back yard and thats the FEDS. HOMELAND SECURITY MY ASS, THE FEAR MONGERS. They started it and were the victims, just like MARIJUANA PROHIBITION. 420 ALL THE WAY!
I wonder how many websites are going to be shut down. Legalbuds is only one of them. So much for legal.
We really can’t have anything can we?…and everyone wonders why so many people kill themselves. Fucking prison planet.
We really can’t have anything can we? …and people wonder why so many people kill themselves. Ughh…I’m so sick of this bullshit.
Unbelievable that our Gov continues on this ridiculous “Pork” spending. This is no way to create jobs. That money should be spent on fixing our infustructure like paved roads, new power lines, education.
to 83, sandy…..couldnt have said it better myself.a most honest platforn on which to stand…..peace to you…
ill bet if cigs gave you a buzz, they would be outlawed!
What the hell,they only want to make it illegal because the D.E.A. are not making any money off of it.Come on,they want to run our lives and tell us how to live,like them fucks that call them selves bilderburgs
This country does nothing more than try to control EVERYTHING that people want to do. How a country can keep alcohol legal,knowign it kills more people,is totally unbelievable and two faced. What a joke this govt is. We got bigger problems in this country than a few pot smokers. The Govt should do it’s job to get the economy back. Legalizing pot to sell in stores and tax would do it,but they do not see it. It works in Amsterdam, I know that for a fact having been there.
I love the US of A,just hate the numbskulls big business elects to run it….into the ground…..BOOOOO to double standard politics !!!!!
fuck all of you that dont like pot so get reid of all the k2 and spice and legalizes weed stuped ass holes marijuanna is safe for people to smoke and eat
Let’s elect fake politicians !
Dutch Reasons for Legalizing Marijuana.
To those of you that support this while claiming to support an end to cannabis prohibition: Stop being damn hypocrites.
The foundation of the argument of why cannabis should be legal is that it’s really none of the government’s business what you do in your private time.
Well guess what. Same principle working here. Don’t be hypocrites and leave people that enjoy cannabinoids in different forms out in the cold.
Ban this so called ,legal bud. and leglize cannabis!!
Only in America…
where synthetic pot is ILLEGAL
while kids shoot up the school with LEGAL guns..
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True DEAth
Candyman Stoner
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1633
Virtues’ of Ganja
http://tinyurl.com/4deh6e
Near beer looks and taste like real beer, moonshine looking like bottled water may be a risk. As mentioned, candy cigarettes and m&m’s look like pills. Booze in mouthwash and the Priest giving kids a taste of sacramental vino at Mass. They tried banning Hemp candy, the only danger is its making schizophrenics out of the drug worriers. Ganja may protect cigarette smokers and those stuck in traffic by expectorating the pollutants before they do lung damage. What would the message be to the rugrats? What about the Ganjawar profits? Are these sucker moms that selfish they would worry more about their kids health than prison profits? Lets bust the parents if their kids get caught with pot. Why enable the evil doers with bogus laws that only perpetuate the profits, thereby disregarding any notion of concern for the citizens wellfare. Kids are bombarded every Christmas with war toys. WTF is that message?
“Our problems stem
from our acceptance of
this filthy, rotten system.”
~ Dorothy Day
Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia
http://tinyurl.com/2y7hay
Ban Fossil Fools for the Sake of the Children huffing it!
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/topic/1635
The total disregard for reality leaves the witch hunting cross burning moneysluts killing kids for the safety of the oil companies… Ban the mild and leave the e-z poisons. A kid smoking a joint will wake up to continue life. The parent neglecting the child, for whatever reason regardless of social acceptability. Is why they die. From legal , illicit or non-drug solvents, make absolutely no difference. They will not wake up and continue life.
Because of DEAth Merchants and Drug Warriors profit policy saveding the war at any cost. The dead kids are collateral damage reincarnated into statistics justifying the past and authorizing DEAth Czars to kill more kids year after year. Kids huffing the dope the government gives them over the counter, die. While the non toxic doobie is a schedule#1 narcotic with draconian 90 year sentences in some penile colonies given statehood. A clear message to the kids… No one ever died huffing smells of french fries to my knowledge.
Huffing, bagging, or sniffing is the inhalation of chemical vapors for a quick high. An estimated two million kids aged 12-17 are doing it. But first experiences can be as early as 6 – 8.
Sniffing or Huffing Gasoline Vapors
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1439303/sniffing_or_huffing_gasoline_vapors.html%5D
This behavior is almost as old as the use of gasoline is in mainstream culture. Gasoline vapors, when inhaled, can trigger an intense hallucinogenic state.
Medical Marihuana in a Time of Prohibition by Lester Grinspoon, M.D.
International Journal of Drug Policy, April, 1999.
“among the safest therapeutic substances known to man.” If it were now in the official pharmacopeia, it would be a serious contender for the title of least toxic substance in that compendium. In its long history, marihuana has never caused a single overdose death.”
~ DEA Administrative Judge Francis L. Young
Pollution: Petrol vs Hemp
http://www.hempcar.org/petvshemp.shtml
Biodiesel is nontoxic
Hemp Car
http://www.hempcar.org/
Hemp car was an alternative-fuel project car that utilized hemp biodiesel for fuel. Industrial hemp would be an economical fuel if hemp were legal to cultivate in the United States. The car departed from Washington D.C. on July 4, 2001 and returned home on October 2, 2001.
The process of converting vegetable oils or animal fats to diesel fuel is nothing new. Biodiesel fuel has been produced and tested for years as an alternative to petroleum based diesel fuel, or “petrodiesel.”
Hey how can the gov’t make marijuana illegal when you get down to the nitey grity it was on the planet that the greater powers placed this WEED. So what the creator put on this earth to enjoy is now illegal…UMMM so the gov’t is GOD now and messing with his earth….Back the (bleep) off and let the weed grow….420 forever…
I bought the pure powder jwh-018, and figured out a way to mix it with already vaporized weed to make a smokeable mixture.
it was so effective, like #74 said you only had to hit it once. it actually satisified my receptors so much i didnt feel like using more.
we need more science on these things. everyone i got to try my mixture had positive reactions (and the already vaped weed was twice vaped, so basically just a vehicle for the jwh and not highly active)
Well I have to say one thing everybody! Let it be known that now we have a new ‘gateway’ drug! Yeah!!!
What about the right to disagree with this being the right type of heard it through the grapevine type of society? More laws don’t equal more know hows and who’s causing statism and isolationism. To rebel with a cause connosieur grass don’t impress me neither when it’s not shared resposibly with who has’nt used any in a long time. Less than good’s how too many people from the ninety are all drifters the less we mention hobbies or underground private library books the higher there values stay. It’s too bad drifters are the coercion of lowering there value and people values anyway.
have no fear for mental slavery, None but ourselves can free our mind
As Mr Marley said ” we’ve got to have Kaya NOW”!!!
Ridiculous.
We will just start smoking banana peels.
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ban will be in place for at least a year as the federal government considers whether to control the substances permanently.