The United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) today, as anticipated, exercised its ‘emergency scheduling authority’ to criminally prohibit the possession and sale of chemical agents contained in so-called ‘fake’ herbal marijuana products, commonly sold over the counter under the brand names ‘K2’ and ‘Spice.’ The agency had initially announced its intent to outlaw the chemicals last November.
The specific compounds prohibited under the new DEA ban are: JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, CP-47,497, and cannabicyclohexanol. Each of these compounds is now placed in the same category as heroin under federal law.
“Except as authorized by law, this action makes possessing and selling these chemicals or the products that contain them illegal in the United States,” the DEA stated in a press release. “This emergency action was necessary to prevent an imminent threat to public health and safety.”
The agency says that the federal ban will remain in effect for at least one year while the DEA and the United States Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) “further study whether these chemicals should be permanently controlled.”
The chemicals in question are synthetic cannabinoid agonists. Once ingested, they interact with endogenous cannabinoid receptors to elicit certain physical and euphoric effects associated with the ingestion of marijuana. They are added to inert herbs to temporarily induce euphoria in the user.
Though NORML takes no official position regarding the use or regulation of these synthetic products, NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano issued the following statement:
“The popularity of these products is a predictable outgrowth of criminal marijuana prohibition. As prohibition is apt to do, it has driven the production of a commodity into the hands of unregulated, unknown dealers, driven up the potency of the commodity, and in doing so created a scenario where the consumer is faced with a potentially greater health risks than they would be had they simply had the legal choice to use the product they actually desired, in this case cannabis.
“Since most manufacturers of these products reside overseas and are not subject to federal laws and regulations, it is unlikely that the DEA’s action – as well as the similar bans in other states – will in any way halt the dissemination, use, or misuse of these products by the public. Most likely, the clamp down will likely only make the situation more dangerous – from both a legal standpoint and from a health standpoint – to the consumer.”
I don’t even know what to say. The stupidity of prohibition seems to spring eternal.
more waste of tax money
Shhh Don’t tell them about kitchen spices.
Ohh well, they could have possibly done more harm to the body than the real “herb” that we need legalized, who knows what herbs they used in the process, he’ll there could have been hemlock, or nightshade just cause the people need something to be the medium for the chemical compounds.
When are they gonna quit beating around the bush, and just legalize cannabis-sativa/indica period? Don’t they realize it’s only a matter of time till K3 or some other bullshit that contain (WARNING: Insert of random compound names) JWH-015, JWH-069, or FKDEA-666 (lol). Either way people are gonna get their weed of choice, no government has a true knowledgeable right to another sentient beings way of life, or choices.
wow….these products would never have been on the market if weed was legal. Ive tried a few of those “spice” products. They will give you a high similar to marijuana, it can be nice but its not the same. It can take you by suprise too. A few times it caused my heart rate to increase and my heart to beat harder. (not in a good way) It was quite scary. Needless to say its been a while sinse ive ingested that product. its not safe. and now it’ll get you thrown in jail.
We should take this as yet another sign. The prohobition of all drugs isnt going like it was planned. There are those drugs that should be illegal and remain that way. But marijuana has been tested by time and proved itself to be a harmless and productive substance in many ways to society if utilised properly. We the people should have the right to make our own choice about whether or not marijuana should be a part of our own private lives.
they still sell these products regardless of this ban, they just changed the chemical. i have been to a headshop many times in the last few weeks and they still have the spices. even before the so called “ban” they were making a killing with how much they sold, and how much they could sell it for, which shows what marijuana would do if it were to be sold in the same manner. with the spices legal, it showed that there was no real difference in society when a marijuana like substance was legal. there was no one running a muck around town on this substance, getting in car wrecks etc. it shows that making weed legal really isn’t going to change our society in a harmful way, its just not a big deal. im not sure what they think they are protecting us from but it is obviously causing more harm than good (i.e. the production of these herbal products).
All you have to do is kill the DEA budget in Congress.
Then, they will fade away as they should have 30 years ago.
They are a useless blood sucking leech on the American taxpayer who does absolutley nothing except wage WAR on Amercian citizens. Lets end them foreve by removing their money.Any congressman that votes to keep them in the budget, lets get rid of them.
oh no! what shall we do!!?? i dunno, maybe go back to smoking weeeeeeeeeeed
Who gives them the authority to simply place ban on substances without a national vote of some kind?
Does it not strike anyone as very alarming that some organization of like minded people can change policies on consumable substances and enforce their opinion upon the rest of us, all without even asking the public how we feel about it?
Isn’t that considered a dictatorship?
What’s going on here??????
Regardless of a substances toxicity to the Human body, before a national BAN is put on the substance, shouldn’t there be a vote as to whether or not we feel valuable resources should be spent on prohibiting such substances and also, how those resources are spent?
WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?????
@old vet It’s not like the assholes already waste it by leaving their cars on as they sit there, and when they walk in for 30 minutes into a store.
why must they interfere with our right to find happieness. we find something that makes us happy and they take it a way so why don’t take away their happieness their money and power
Just LEGALIZE IT already. GEEESH.
this is stupid HEROINE???!!!!
Worldwide religion causes murder, rape & wars. Our priorities are soooooo fucked! I’d like to thank the DEA for “trying” to shut down some of my favorite foreign websites. WTF is the DEA doing shutting down websites? Oh yea, let’s not forget about the DEA funding parties for influencial afghan politicians to fuck little boys!!!!! This is all 100% true. Google it. A big thank you to the united states government for stealing money from every paycheck & giving it to the DEA so they can protect me from myself. Now that I have been made aware that marijuana is the root of all evil I will manage my time more wisely & rape little boys?!?!?! FUCK THE US!!! REVOLUTION!!! The world will be a better place tomorrow if you kill an evil person today!!!
I hardly ever agree with the DEA, but this is a smart move. People smoking this stuff are just looking for something to smoke. It’s terrible the chemicals that are in “synthetic marijuana”; in my town, numerous seizures have been reported from idiots smoking “potpourri” or “spice.” It’s really stupid, it’s giving cannabis a bad rep.
Honestly the substances people consume/produce, instead of the glorious cannabis sativa buds, trying to get around the marijuana laws are even more dangerous then cannabis itself.
what did they expect? They put us in jail for using a harmless plant. Companies refuse to hire well qualified citizens for it’s use as well.I am denied my pain medications and labeled a drug user for using it and so I live in extreme pain. Of course we are going to try to find a way around it. When will they give up this old way of thinking and do what’s right? If I can’t use this herb then they should not have access to their beloved alcohol products, Or medicines.I give them 30 percent of all my earnings every year and this is what I get. They are the criminals and I’ve had enouph.
Man, FUCK the DEA.
next thing you know nutmeg will be illegal, just because they can have hallucinagenic effects
Have to say it’s pretty scary that such substances can just be sold in gas stations,etc when there’s basically no research done on them (mainly in humans and the long term effects). In a positive light though I’m hoping this will just encourage the legalization of ganja since they can just create new synthetic cannabinoids as fast as they can ban them.
And like every other Prohibited substance, all the funds that could have been going towards a better human race will now make for cash in the hands of criminals; be they the everyday working-man, all the way down to the murdering drug king. Its just too bad we see so many good men and women behind cold bars, and not more of these murderers. Regardless of all the lunacy or speculation behind our elephants or donkeys, one thing can most definitely remain certain; In the words of Serj Tankian; “
And like every other Prohibited substance, all the funds that could have been going towards a better human race will now make for cash in the hands of criminals; be they the everyday working-man, all the way down to the murdering drug king. Its just too bad we see so many good men and women behind cold bars, and not more of these murderers.
Regardless of all the lunacy or speculation behind our elephants or donkeys, one thing can most definitely remain certain; In the mighty words of Serj Tankian;
“THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON, (For you and me to live in)”
why the fuck would u smoke that shit anyways
we need to figure out a way to get high on milk. Then they will outlaw cows worldwide.
wait until the DEA hears about Dihydrotrimethypurinedione (caffeine) and how tens of millions of americans are doping up on it and driving and operating machinery.
Honestly fuck the government, all i get from them is speeding tickets and tax forms.
Ban the DEA cut off the funding and shut them down
The DEA is flexing their muscles again. Big surprise.
Really this kind of fraudulent commerce should be prohibited. It isn’t like anyone knows what these products contain for sure. Much better to regulate cannabis for purity and *on those grounds* prohibit these adulterated substitutes.
I am so glad that I have a government that watches out for my health so well, because I am totally not capable of doing it myself. (Hope you sense the sarcasm).
Don’t people realize the criminalizing something just makes it more popular? There are several legal herbs and over the counter substances capable of causing intoxication, euphoria, or hallucinations. Most people haven’t heard of them though because no one’s trying to ban them.
This action will only increase the demands for these possibly harmful substances, all while ignoring the obvious solution to the problem: legalize marijuana.
If people think about, this is exactly what happened to alcohol except there weren’t synthetic alcohol, people were just sneaking it in, so now if you look at this picture people created something to go around the law’s which is spice and now people are seeing that this is the cause and effect of cannabis prohibition, now the next step is repealing cannabis law’s. WERE WINNING THIS BATTLE, CANNABIS WILL BECOME LEGAL IN THE NEXT YEAR!
Also, whatever happened to determining through well-conducted, objective research that something is a severe health hazard BEFORE criminalizing it? Where is the accountability?
Fire all the DEA and see how much tax money we have left over. They are no more than leaches sucking the life blood of the American public. If it wasn’t for the drug war the US would not be in debt right now, do the math. Cannabis Sativa is an herb that GOD made for man.
the governmaent is a bunch of morons you couldn’t run a country if you tried the senate and everybody down to the nearest dickhead police officer are stupid get bent and die losers lol lol lol lol lol fucking morons you don’t know shit, you stop the dumbest shit from happening and let the serious shit keep going your pathetic
All I can say is WOW Thanks for look out for my best interests.. Even thou I did not ask for it I’m very capable to do so. LOLOL you stupid unrealistic government if I had my way I would fire all the retarded politicians.
I’m glad SALVIA DIVINORUM won’t ever be outlawed I can still pry and get wrecked beyond stupidity and dance in the streets naked still. LOLOLOL
Quoted From http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html
Salvia experiences range in intensity from subtle to extremely powerful. The strength of the effects will depend on how much you take.
* You cannot take a fatal overdose of Salvia leaves.
* Salvia is not habit forming.
* Salvia is legal in most countries.
* Its effects are brief in duration, so you quickly return to normal.
* Salvia seldom produces adverse side-effects or hangover.
Well Doesn’t this sound familiar? *cough marijuana*
Now think to your self, Why would this not be Illegal?
Quoted from “http://www.sagewisdom.org/usersguide.html”
Traditionally the leaves are taken in a semi-darkened room as part of a healing or religious ceremony.
Salvia is a consciousness-changing herb that can be used in a vision quest, or in a healing ritual. In the right setting, Salvia makes it possible to see visions.
(See visions? LOL In other words TRIP your balls off)
That’s right since our stupid nation is founded on religion it will be legal till the end of time.
Kind of Ironic don’t you think?
Honestly all things tend to balance out in time; for quite a while we have waited for Cannabis to be legal. California as our guide, soon my friends 🙂
On side note, JWH really wasn’t(yay past-tense) that bad – I’ve used nearly all variations, and in combination with each other. JWH 018 is the only one that should be on this list — honestly. It causes extreme disassociation – your arms are no longer your arms, and similar problems – no joke. Take a look at an ant the next time you spray it with poison, and watch as he squirms and writhes, moving in circles. Now imagine if that ant was conscious of this, and could see themself abstractly. That’s JWH-018 overdose, plus or minus some disturbing physical feelings(pins & needles, heavy HEAVY heart beat, vortex to outer space vacuum suck feeling)
Note: Only occurs on overdose
073 and the others however, were super tamed out(like a cigarette the first time you had one). I only bought pure 99% powder – which I tested via local pharmaceutical for certainty. Made in great ol’ Usa
So the concern isn’t what is inside these chemicals – DEA doesn’t want us to get high, or have alternatives to get high. It is the only answer left to choose, as they have banned everything of relevance to marijuana, yet alcohol and cigarettes remain.
There is a reason for it, most namely control. Probably many factors as well.. border control(drug lords of mexico), Taxing on products, export and import procedures and control of, new drug tests at jobs, etc. etc.
They(government) control all of us, as seen by this ban — without our consent or consult. We just don’t realize it, until things like this happen.
It seems most obvious that it was easier for them to simply ban any and all relating obstacles, than to properly handle it in conjunction with the desires of the entire U.S. populous.
I swear it though, soon thing’s will change. For if they don’t, America will continue down into the worsening depression. We are in it – we can change it.. but so many of us simply are too broke and hurt to even debate venturing that path. It’s a vicious circle… but one can hope though.
Go California! whooop whooop!
Natural versions of synthetic cannabinoids can now be approved by the DEA. Synthetic versions of natural cannabinoids are now illegal.
Trust me, this bullshit won’t last another generation. I’m 24 and most everyone my age sees through this garbage. I’m sorry you all have to wait though.
[Paul Armentano responds: Synthetic cannabinoid agonists can be approved by the FDA. Marinol is one.]
it has nothing to do with health or concern for anyones safety, its just about making more money for the DEA and justifying its budget and existance. with 2 more substances to gain revenue streams from just like marijuana prohibition
Why doesn’t the government realize that people (AND AMERICAN SURE ARE PEOPLE) like to GET HIGH!!! People desire euphoric feelings! People need them to evolve!
Why can’t the DEA just realize the obvious facts that people need to be intoxicated. Just ask how many DEA agents drink on occasion. If not more than just at occasions. I am forced to drink because of the “one size fits all” idea we are being forced to fit into!
Regardless of the substance and the harms it does or doesn’t entail, most seem to be overlooking the REAL issue at hand here –
THE DEA PASSED AND ENACTED LEGAL SCHEDULING OF A SUBSTANCE WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Under what authority do they possess the rights to do such a thing?
Maybe this is the area we need to focus our activist efforts towards?
We need to find out who and/or what gives the DEA the authority to write substance schedule policies without research, public consent, and/or some type of public vote.
We can not allow small groups of like-minded people create nation-wide policies that can affect all of our lives… Regardless of the substance it is this notion that gives the DEA their power and is the reason we are where we are.
[Paul Armentano responds: “Under what authority do they possess the rights to do such a thing?” Under the authority granted to DEA by Congress: “The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 amends the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) to allow the DEA Administrator to emergency schedule an abused, harmful, non-medical substance in order to avoid an imminent public health crisis while the formal rule-making procedures described in the CSA are being conducted.”]
The absurdity of the extent that the DEA and our Federal government to go to in order to ban “anything like cannabis” in the furtherance of the War on (some) Drugs is (almost) astonishing. Next on the list of banned items: mimosa trees, since they have leaves a bit like cannabis that may confuse some DEA agents in their pursuit of contraband. SOS, SOS, SOS. The DEA has decided that the term “grass” must be banned from the English vernacular — it is to be stricken from all dictionaries and general usage forthwith, upon punishment of 1 year in the Federal penal system.
Shades of “DoubleSpeak Vol. 10” from George Orwell’s “1984”.
Well, thank goodness that the DEA is here, front and center, to protect the USA public from anything that might be used to alter a person’s mood. That “medicine” must be left to the auspices of the highly profitable and addictive products from Big Pharma, and “pushed” by our medical professional “pill mill” pushers.
/snark
That practically harmless plant material sold as “Spice” or “K2” has been selling for about $6 – $10 per gram, money much better spent on real marijuana at a lower price per gram — at least that is the case for the almost ubiquitous Mexican “brick weed”. Support your local drug cartel representatives — buy either Big Pharma’s THC products ($$$), or Mexican “brick weed”($). Do your part to help keep the War on Drugs alive, and justify keeping DEA agents in their jobs!
/snark
Someone please wake the American public up from this Orwellian nightmare — legalize (like beer) marijuana, and shut down the DEA. This situation is tragically absurd.
Wow every single one of these comments besides 1 is against the DEA.
Ban, ban, ban.. Their only solution is to “ban” everything they don’t approve of! Cannabis prohibition is doomed to failure, as it is based on a series of total “un-realities”, which no amount of repression can make “real”. Cannabis is NOT physically addictive as it lacks a documented physical withdrawal syndrome, the so-called “gateway drug theory discredited as invalid, much touted by the DEA drug Marinol is not at all the same as medicinal cannabis, smoking Cannabis does not increase the risk of lung cancer, and cannabis use suppresses violent behavior. These are REALITIES! To further say that Cannabis plant does not have medicinal properties is simply delusional and is a complete “break” with “reality”. If anti-Cannabis repression by the DEA and its allies were to be intensified, the rate of alcohol, cocaine, opiates, other hard drugs, alcohol, and dangerous prescription drugs would increase sharply. Neither the DEA, not its minions can make people perceive Cannabis as “unsafe”, where is in reality it is quite safe, much safer than alcohol and other alternatives. With the rise of the use of alcohol/hard drugs, the amount of violence and mayhem in this society will also rise, something that every mother and wife should consider. In these hard economic times our so-called “representatives” do not even dare talking about cutting the bloated DEA budget, especially its so-called “marijuana” enforcement, while they are willing to discuss cutting everything else. This is because the DEA and its minions are very good with attaching labels, and no one wants to risk being “labeled” as “soft on drugs”! The employment drug tests have a potential of “screening out” “Picassos”, and Lady GaGa’s, and Willie Nelsons, but letting people like Charlie Sheen and Mel Gibson slip through (if the employers are “lucky”). And to say that Cannabis Plant does not have medicinal properties is simply delusional! Cannabis prohibition, as based on glaring scientific and philosophical “un-realities” and can never succeed in the long run!
Always playing the guardian card, but they only make responsible adults into criminals. All government does is break your legs, and then when they hand you the crutches, they tell you “See, I told you you couldn’t walk without me!”
In corpus christi they not olney ban this type of spice or what not they have also ban smok shop.s here
The DEA needs to be buried with Nixon. I guess when they fire all our teachers maybe then they might, possibly, kinda, consider looking at cutting back budgets in other areas? Naw, there’s too much money in prohibition to end it.
Pot opens the mind to creative thought.
But the feds want you to spend all your money on their form of “education”, designed to keep you broke, working in a field other than the one which you were educated – and to keep you in the dark.
“He who controls the spice, controls the universe!” – Vladimir Harkonnen
This is such a waste of time. If you look at the original research for these compounds these “spice” companies will just (as they already have) move down the list away from the banned ones. Chemists have their jobs for a reason, they are very smart. You can continue to tweak the structures making new ones to add to the list essentially forever. So our tax dollars are being spent just to keep the chemists on their toes, thats it.
I’ve been clean from marijuana in my system for almost a year. I have a couple g’s of k2 left in my Grizzly case. I went to re-up yesterday and found out this news… I’m not being too conservative : ( Time to make that switch yet again. The only reason I smoked K2 instead was because of its ease to purchase and not having to wait. It felt kind of col to be free of any urine tests. Now, after my first check from my new job…. I will have to get ripped off by some shady dude who is not only going to over charge but pinch the bag as well… potent ish though. I never ever overdosed and have literally smoked hundreds of grams and burned through 100’s/ I was glad to support my local smoke shop too… oh well
I almost never agree with the DEA, but on this I kinda do, these synthetically enhanced herbs have not been tested for side effects or safety. The real problem here is the illegal status of marijuana itself, which has shown to be the safest drug (if it even qualifies as a drug) on Earth. If marijuana were legal, these dangerous substitutes for marijuana would never have been made and put on the market, who would buy a substitute when they could legally buy the real thing?
Overall, the DEA needs to be shut down completely, just as the drug Czar’s office needs to be disposed of too. What we need is a system of treatment and education for addicts of heroin, cocaine, meth, etc. Incarceration only produces criminals from what were once law abiding citizens that enjoy a little weed now and then and out of people with a substance abuse problem that need treatment, not prison. Face it, over 95% of all addicts would prefer not to be addicts, but putting them in prison is not the answer, treatment is and marijuana has been used successfully in the treatment of many former addicts, who then can choose to keep using marijuana or not because the marijuana is not addictive. (like, say, methadone)
Why would anyone want to smoke K-2 and SPICE when good MARIJUANA is everywhere. True “POTHEADS” wont touch that crap.
So the DEA will study synthetic marijuana for a year but won’t study the real thing?
That sucks.
So since when can the DEA make law? What is going on here…this is a dangerous presidence….when the minority ( and not a law making body) can force thier opinions upon the American people we no longer have law and order… just a dictatorship. Good bye America, hello comunistic dicatorship.
The only reason people(mostly kids) used spice and alike was because it was legal. Now people will just keep using it and weed…banning it makes no difference except to what side of the law your on now.
IDIOCY!
End our criminal government!
54.webee Says:
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Why would anyone want to smoke K-2 and SPICE when good MARIJUANA is everywhere. True “POTHEADS” wont touch that crap.
True, but it is OUTRAGEOUS and a REPEAT of what is already wrong with prohibiting alcohol or tobacco or pot. Next will be your cuppa coffe or cuppa tea. Then chocolate.
[Paul Armentano responds: “Under what authority do they possess the rights to do such a thing?” Under the authority granted to DEA by Congress: “The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 amends the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) to allow the DEA Administrator to emergency schedule an abused, harmful, non-medical substance in order to avoid an imminent public health crisis while the formal rule-making procedures described in the CSA are being conducted.”]
Well crap Paul…they can do this til the cows come home with anything they dont like.
As my name implies…this isnt the America we all think it is..or lead to believe it is.
[Paul Armentano responds: “Under what authority do they possess the rights to do such a thing?” Under the authority granted to DEA by Congress: “The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 amends the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) to allow the DEA Administrator to emergency schedule an abused, harmful, non-medical substance in order to avoid an imminent public health crisis while the formal rule-making procedures described in the CSA are being conducted.”]
Indeed – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substances_Act
Thanks for the response!
Perhaps it’s time we revisited The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 and the CSA of 1984.
We need to address its processes in a more skeptical perspective.
I think people should know more about these two aspects of our law enforcement in greater detail so they can truly understand how absurd the DEA and prohibition systems really are!
NORML needs its own National TV show! It would allow us the ability to truly reach out to people in a way never thought possible. We need to truly start spreading the knowledge.
During the times when these policies were enacted, most of the general public didn’t even have PC’s. So information was short. Most were only aware of what the newspapers and media on TV were promoting at the time. The government was well aware of this and took full advantage of the situation to embed itself into our lives.
What I really want to know, is who authorized the enactment of the CSA? Who ACTUALLY voted for this? I’m having a hard time believing that the American people voted in favor of such an act. Apparently only Congress was the voting body on this bill. How is this possible? How and Why is it allowed? Why do we let it continue?!
This is the kind of secrecy we need to address. Our federal employees are enacting laws and setting policies without consulting with the American people, at all! This is a disgrace and is every bit of illegal as it comes.
These loop-hole bills and acts create situations where pure dictatorship is masked by the illusion that the bill was placed before the American people and voted upon. When in reality, only Congress was even allowed to read the bill at the time of decision making.
We need to get more involved in the governing process people!!!!!!!
It wouldn’t surprise me if the DEA themselves created K-2.
Think about it for a minute. What better way to make their organization seem useful and truthful?
Create a new kind of smokeable, easy to obtain substance that is similar to other smoked substances and then push it out into stores across the globe under the guise of some strange foreign company.
Think about it. How would such a substance have made it to the shelves of stores so fast without authorization from the FDA or any other organization?
Then simply take heed of the complaints from parents when the youth get a hold of it by acting accordingly; ban the substance, provide some hoopla BS reports of the chemicals inside it and once again appear as a compassionate organization which cares about the health of our nation and its youth…
It all seems a bit strange if you ask me. This whole K-2 thing.
K-2, A possible public morale boost for the DEA?
It may not be so far fetched…
As if they the government have nothing better to do . Than outlaw something that USED to be LEAGLE . Its not like there is no starving people or lack of meadical care or houesing in the GREAT UNITED STATES OF AMERICA .. It is time to quite imposing LAWS just so a FEW heads of the Pharmicutial companies can make the all mighty dollar!!!!!! REMEMBER ONLY YOU CAN PREVENT CANNABIS PERSICUTION. Merri The Ganja Fairy
The irony is lost on them, issuing a ban because of an imminent threat… on a product that is almost a decade old.
The fact is, the stuff has been available and society is still here. I am happy they shoot themselves in the foot by claiming this was a threat.
I am about to go smoke a mixture of JWH-018 and crushed vaporized cannabis. I find it an effective treatment for my depression. Perhaps it is the full agonist nature of the chemical. I feel fully functional on a very low dose, and I actually like it better than the marijuana.
So, thanks for making it illegal. Now i guess its back to the Zoloft. Thanks for helping me move to a drug that is processed in my kidneys and makes me have diarrhea. I can’t thank you enough for helping me choose what i can put in my body so that I may live.
Really, I can’t.
The main reason, or atleast in my state, they are trying to make it illegal, in their words, “to save our children”. 1st of all anything in the name of a child in relation to DEA or government is usually a nice way to get the idiots who dont pay attention nor care to do their own research to jump on the bandwagon. Our nation as a whole has a BIG problem with inciting panic and hysteria over small things. As if to make us all concentrate on the small things and forget the big things like war and the economy. Personally I believe,as with weed, they want to make it illegal so the government can make money off the restitution offenders are required to pay I.E. probation, drug classes and court costs. However they dont stop to think that this product, realistically, keeps struggling tobacco stores and gas stations going financially, it’s added revenue to the region and prevents the added cost of prisoners who would, under other circumstances such as marijuana possession, be housed, fed, medicated all on us, the tax payers, dime. Not to mention weed and the synthetic weed have many benefits that would also bankrupt or seriously injure the pharmaceutical companies of the US that make drugs such as Xanax, Paxil, Phenergen(anti nausea), Vicodin and other chemicals that have more side effects than benefits. And lastly it would put a damper on the alcohol manufacturers. And what do all these big corporations have in common? They all “donate” to the politicians “campaign fund”. It’s a sad, vicious circle of money and power, and as usual us “smokers” get the short end of the stick up the Government’s ass, while Meth and Crack are genuine drugs that should be “cracked down on” as they have these side effects claimed by the supporters to ban the synthetic weed. Our country is screwed up, I’m half tempted to move to Canada.
[Paul Armentano responds: “Under what authority do they possess the rights to do such a thing?” Under the authority granted to DEA by Congress: “The Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984.”]
SO THE CONGRESS GIVES TO THE DEA,
A POWER THAT THE CONGRESS DID NOT EVER HAVE FOR ITSELF.
if you believe that THAT BULLSHIT IS VALID,
i would be glad to give you london bridge, the white house, the pyramids, france, and the moon,
NONE OF WHICH I AM IN POSESSION OF.
you cannot give away what you do not have.
you cannot give away WHAT IS NOT YOURS.
–unless you STEAL IT.
THEY STOLE OUR RIGHTS, AND GAVE THEM AWAY TO THE DEA, THEREFORE; IT IS INVALID !!
Yeah, WTF? Why doesn’t NORML have a cable TV show?
RE: 54. webee Says:
“Why would anyone want to smoke K-2 and SPICE when good MARIJUANA is everywhere. True “POTHEADS” wont touch that crap.”
I can think of a couple of reasons, right off the top of my head.
(1) Anyone who is regularly tested for cannabis consumption (pre-employment or employment screening, 7th – 12th graders who are currently tested for drugs in order to qualify for extra-curricular activities, or persons on probation or parole.
Remember, metabolites of cannabis can be detected in a user as long as 3 or 4 months later with current testing methods — not so with “Spice” or “K2”. The “high” experienced sort of resembles that of (really bad) cannabis, and cannot be detected by any usual and ordinary methods. The draconian DEA Police State has forced people into using poor alternatives to cannabis, and now the DEA has adopted a new proscribed substance. The DEA’s violent game of whack-a-mole, using billy clubs and assault rifles against non-violent victimless drug “offenders” continues anew …
fuck the dea
Even though I hate the DEA and their policies, I can’t say banning synthetic marijuana bothers me personally very much. Compared to the real thing, it probably, almost certainly, is harmful and dangerous.
If real marijuana were to be legalized, the synthetic crap would never have become an issue… The only reason people were using it instead of the real thing is because the want the marijuana type high without failing a drug test…
Just legalize the real thing and suddenly a multitude of problems that currently exist in our society would disappear.
So War has begun, The DEA should be gathered and hung or some bullets in their heads, it is time for Justice and Tax Reform.
Obama do the best you can do, to prevent a civil war of the population.
Free Cannabis a common plant in a worldwide garden
I can’t wait for the DEA to ban NUTMEG! That shit is soooooo dangerous!!!! Anyway, I just finished my ninth beer at the local watering hole so I need to drive home, slap the wife, beat the kids and kick the dog. I should smoke a joint so I would resort to such actions. But weed is illegal and I dare not to break the law! Oh well…..
I am surprised at the attacks on herbal incense from some here
Smokers of all plants need to be UNITED during this period of time
what I like about herbal incense
1) it is legal, allowing one to feel good about trying to follow rules with less sense of dealings of legal stress with cannabis
2) all the Bullshit that occurs with the cannabis trade was practically eliminated .. no waiting, no worry about getting robbed when purchasing and various other sorts of stress
3) it helped the economy–
4) the amount of time to baseline was shorter than cannabis– meaning the amount of time one feels intoxicated was shorter
5) it allows people of all walks of life who no longer can consume cannabis for job reasons, future job reasons, or whatever the reason.. to rediscover the joy of smoking herbs
6)It defeated the argument chaos would ensue if cannabis because RE-legalized
Keep up the fight– keep smoking– and Thanks Allen for being a GREAT director of NORML
Fuck the DEA!
Heroin is schedule two, not schedule one.
Jason
In what setting is Heroin schedule II
I have always heard it to be schedule I
they had played around with its legality decades ago in the United Kingdom
i agree with # 1 says it all
yea the people saying that DEA has no right to do this , don’t sound very smart. I’m glad the DEA has the authority to execute emergency bans for testing – if you do research on JWH online, you will quickly find that nothing comprehensive or verified as accurate exists. It is all simply debate, with equal statements to counteract all those made.
Community is in desperate need of test results, for naphthalene ring metabolism and potential of gluon abnormality (ie how cancerous if at all). That’s aside from how it might affect liver, or become resident in fat cells(more cancer concern here), etc.
It’s a good thing.
PLUS – it means everyone in America who cannot smoke the real green, will be “choked” and thus desire it all the more. A means for reform is on the way(finally i hope), or we are being even more suppressed(can’t last too long @ current rate & overall national disgust w/ government at present).
Either way good things are coming 🙂
Just a side note, the one thing that has been proven true by Huffman’s research, is that JWH (in the amount of over 3x the amount to overdose in human) caused rats to die of cancer, tumors and all.
Of course JWH will be metabolized by humans very differently — but dammmmnn yo, some risky business 😛
Jake
there are several JWH derivatives the ban includes some other chemicals as well
If you oppose prohibition then I dont see why you would favor a ban on herbal incense
Does anyone even bother to look into how these herbal smokes are made? They are extracted from lichen using essential oils, the result is much more potent than actual THC and it even has physically addictive properties that arent in MJ. in short the only thing that made Spice better than the real thing was that it didnt show up on a drug test and to me that is the real reason that it is being banned. The government likes to be able to find out what we have been doing if they choose to do so, soon people who use even recreational drugs like pot wont even be able to leave their house or drive a car without living in fear. There are thousands of drugs that have no schedule and more are discovered everyday, they will continue to substitute the real thing until we can find a way to regulate our drug problem. Look at the problem with these “bath salts” that shit is so dangerous but people shove it up their nose all day long, makes me sick
Leglize and there will no problem!! Banning K-2, Spice will not stop people that want to get high. Leglize cannabis!!
Someday, cannabis might actually be legal in the USA, legal like beer or even like tomato plants, like it was before Prohibition. I would go further to say that no plant or plant extract should ever be illegal. The DEA’s only reason for existence is the draconian persecution of users of now-illegal drugs, as a matter of law enforcement rather than at most a medical concern between a doctor and his patient. If the Swiss can find a quite workable solution, why can’t the USA?
The rise of the Police State in the USA, between the War on Drugs and the War on Terror, has a lot more to do with the absolute power of the State over it’s citizens and a lot less to do with the prevention of harm to society.
I have a solution to the continued employment of the DEA, the TSA, and every other segment of the goose-stepping Police State — send them, lock stock & barrel to Afghanistan. Their unmeasured violence against unarmed civilians there will likely be met with more resistance than they have experienced here, and our long-suffering National Guard troops could use the extra time with their families.
@57 I agree 100%
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/03/cops_charged_after_being_caught_on_tape_in_botched.php
To serve and protect
Cmon Obama
@#84 … the substrates upon which the JWH compounds are laced, and the ACTUAL compounds, are different topics. That’s partly the problem here. People are getting sick off smoking the herbal stuff used as a vehicle for the JWH.
JWH will not hurt you, but smoking a bunch of organic matter will definitely give your lungs pause.
I use the pure chemical form of the cannibinomemetics, a white powder that is like powdered sugar… and the substrate i use for smoking? Cannabis leaf that has been twice passed through the vaporizer and has very little active chemical left.
Excellent idea. See how big their balls are.
I will say this whole k2 ban thing is just a way for the dea to say were smarter than the people get used to it. On the whole theory of govt releasing as a trial test on americans….think this…if they find jwh 018 has regulated medicinal use. Then they can do away with medic marijuana all togather and control this and give this as a substitute. Yes I believe legalize marijuana is the solution ecnomically and health wise. But maybe the government is looking for a way to study and control a synth canni. Just like most hardcore script drugs and docs can wite scripts that way. Idk. My 2 cents. I have been making my own herbal incense for 8 months now. Smoke morning and night. And have yet to expierence any side effects from jwh-018. I’m sorry but this is all a way for america to say we fucked up my keeping marijuana illegal…our bad. But were not going to admit it and reverse itbecause then we will have to make everything else legal now.
How can they LEGALLY outlaw something BEFORE they do their “testing.” Last time they tested ganja, they suffocated monkey’s and said it was the ganja that killed their brain cells. What will they think of next? Those tax-sucking bastards CAN NOT BE TRUSTED.
I’d have to agree with everyone that stated that it does cause more harm, in that of experience the most. I’ve been an ongoing smoker of what some would consider illegal and for a short time (through fear of legal actions) I began to smoke “legal” alternatives, those of which have not only caused harm to my lungs but a psychological problem that I have also seen in many others that partake to these alternatives. A very good friend of mine has never smoke marijuana in his life but started to smoke the “legal” herbs and within a matter of months (not having any other medical or psychological issues) started to show signs of severe depression, anxiety, and suicidal tendencies along with other issues that have been diagnosed (not good at all). As a collective of active reformist, artist, and intellects, we took initiative and weened him into smoking marijuana instead of taking the prescribed medications (due to the knowledge of harm that they can cause, he was addicted to xanax and another pill they gave him causing problems with his family, schooling and friends). After one week of smoking marijuana his grades became outstanding, his family was finally able to talk to him with no problems and his depression completely subsided. Obviously his normal emotions kept like sadness and confusion to some situations but his outlook on life and all that surrounds him has greatly improved. We cannot really prove any of this to anyone that can viably do anything to change these laws in the state due to what some may consider an illegal experimentation and consumption, but we can point this out to those that care to listen, like all of you at NORML and all who choose (and I mean choose in a very serious manner) that believe/know the benefits that “real” marijuana and marijuana products can have.
Thank you for your time and peace within,
Everyone at Psy/Crap Studio and MaxiChrismas enterprise
Since weed is good, and D.E.A. sucks nuts, replace D.E.A. with ganja and the number of pot arrests will be zero. (obviously)
The DEA are running around intentionally blind like a child in a candy shop. They never know or care about how or what their doing. There is alcohol,tobacco and those TV commercials which advertise these medicines which have seriously harmful side effects including DEAth. Why are they so against marijuana that has a great and proven track record in more ways then they can count. For our safety and health? I don`t think so! Where is the Freedom of Choice in this?
I have been using legal herbal smoke to be able to pass a drug test, so I could get a job. I have been trying to do my best to manage my bipolar without taking the medications that hurt my stomach. They have came out with a new variation of it, and I will continue to use this, however I already failed that drug test, probably because I didn’t get a new pipe and soaking in alcohol wasn’t good enough… oh well… I have a 130 IQ and I have to work at McDonalds because the DRUGS the Dr’s give me hurt in many ways. This is America, where I am not free, and I am unable to make my own decisions. If I ever make a new war device, I will not share it with my country, I will give it to another country who supports my freedoms, and is against oppression, much like Einstine did when he moved to America.
free and pardon all drug offenders and other non violent offenders that only committed a crime to get money for drugs. Roll all the drug laws back to 1965 and legalize marijuana. with the pre 1965 drug laws if you want or need narcotics your doctor can simply write you a prescription.
lets all go to the streets and smoke some oregano and see what law congress passes.
I read everyone’s remarks on the issue of banning the herb-like marijauna. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and had children in the 90s. They are teenagers now. The herbal products are running rampant in the high schools. My 15 year old son bought some over the internet. He was honest with me after he got it and smoked some. (he sees a doctor and therapist for anxiety and depression). He told me he would never smoke pot because it is illegal. This stuff makes him calmer than all the meds the doctor ever gave him. Now I discover this is now illegal. I do not know what to do. Because I am a mother I needed to tell him I can not let him do any of it. He thought it was ok because it was legal. I am such a hypocrite. I worry, too, that the government has too much power over us, but I’m also a mom.
I look for a time where you get put away for having an energy drink … they are proving to be dangerous to people’s health over the long haul … just waiting for the intrusive DEA to ban that next. WE WANT LIBERTY!!!!!
There are thousands of different chemical compounds The concret this uforic. I almost went psychotic buy ingesting incense. My psychosis has almost passed. I’m probly gonna be haunted by this for the rest of my life. On meds for the rest of my life. I think there needs to be a ban on anything that mimics a controlled substance. This is turning out to be just like the lsd days. When they were altering chemical slightly to make it legal again.
WIN 55 IS ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE BANNED Which created by psychosis. Although I was Ingesting other Synthetic cannabanoids. I just don’t want anyone to turn out like I did. No short term memory. Paranoia. Most colors agitate me Just the sight of them. Like when I see you are yellow and red sign. Hey give me a migraine
Lawmakers are in the process of closing any loopholes that currently exist with laws pertaining to some herbal incense products, but there efforts will prove to be fruitless in the end. The prohibition of marijuana has created this demand for legal marijuana alternatives. A rather prosperous niche that will be tapped into for as long as marijuana continues to be illegal. There are many places one may still buy k2 incense and according to the vendors, like http://www.buyherbalincense.com the k2 herb products they sell are legal everywhere.
If the DEA and the government is so worried about our health could we please start with the food we eat everyday? They let the food industry put whatever they want into it, hell that big ground turkey contamination, they knew and shipped it anyway and people DIED!!! Sounds like concern to me………right.
everybody quit complaining and go out and do something instead of the easy leagalize cannabis quote. hell leagalizing cannabis wont change a thing dea will hassel something else that will piss people off. america come on nothing is free here this goverment has spit on the consitution and you. america the land no freedom BAN CRIMNAL GOVERMENTS
marijuana has to be safer, think government would realize this, they ban and people still get high, hint….hint……
That’s o.k.- There is a revolution coming man. The tip of the iceberg is already here. Just take a look around………..I love it
The goverment dosen’t give a rats ass about the people
It’s only concern is about the money it might be loosing
Wow this is bullshit How will we deal with the end of world now….
as the owner of a herbal potpourri company. I feel the product is not bad. I sell Bc Blendz herbal potpourri and everyone loves it. personal user for 3 years I have found no side effects under normal use. its effects are similar to marijuana which is why I use. check us out at http://www.newagetoledo.webs.com or like our Facebook page New Age Distribution in Toledo,OH. this product and any like it should be kept legal. we use AM-2201 in all of our products.
My frustration with the spice situation is this: i got busted for growing weed, now instead of looking for (stupid) ways to get high i went for this (slightly less stupid) potpourri. My state has a ban on this “spice” but i can order certain kinds but don’t know if it’s specifically illegal. I’m on probation for 4 more years. I would just ride it sober but I have serious depression and gettin high seems to cure it. Can’t find the motivation to fufill my probation requirments sober but high i’m demonized. Should i just see a shrink and start poppin pills? I HATE PILLS. Oh and i can’t afford that route. Life’s a dick, when it gets hard F*#% it.
legalize it. didnt think id have to say that again…
fredom my ass my own mother didnt give me this many rules they know its bullshit aka the goverment but again might be money they might not make fuck the people who run this so called FREE COUNTRY NOTHINGS FREE unlees they can TAX FREE ITEMS then its ok
I work at a poison center and we see people having kidney failure, seizures, heart problems and many other bad effects from these and other designer drugs. Why don’t you all just smoke regular pot. It doesn’t cause these things. I say if you want to do these harmful drugs and you die it is natural selection. We are seeing these being used by kids in highschools and Junior highs. You people are stupid if you think it is ok to let your kids use these too. Again if they die it just leaves better people in the gene pool. It is not the government that is the criminal here it is all of you who live to get high. you are destroying our Country.
The 1970 Controlled Substance Act is a criminal violation of our God-given, CONSTITUTIONALLY protected personal LIBERTY.
DRUGS ARE ILLEGAL FOR CHILDREN.
Dear US military,
RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM . . .
#1 PRIORITY = RIGHT TO PRIVILEDGE.
W H-O/R A W
Remember when liquior was outlawed? It should still be. How many people over do and then go out drive and kill inocent people. Why? Because they want some relief they can afford from the pain and cannot afford pain medications. Marajuana grows in the ground. That means it is made by God and isn’t he suppose to know whats good for us? He gave us this to use as a medicine for many illnesses. Lets make use of it. Not to mention that it could help boost our economy which is sucking right now. Legalizing marajuana is a win win situation. people get what they need and our economy gets help too.
ya ,all bunch of criminals sitting on seat ,all to just make muslim life miserable as past ,even the judges are drunkard alcoholics ,police ,officers,force ,military doctors nurses ,presidents, mayors teachers etc a to z all are alcoholic, just 1 day don’t give them alcohol watch they kill each others,because it
hi ,only making legals medicated drug smoke can save many lives and just check the crime rate how its go down saving life is better than destroying it,
people should have a right to this manny medicinall properties can help depression and make iou fell better and less side effects than over the counter meds
people should have a right to this manny medicinall properties can help depression and make iou fell better and less side effects than over the counter meds
dont want bath salts you idiots