It was just three years ago when President Obama (then candidate Obama) famously pledged to no longer use federal “Justice Department resources to try to circumvent state laws” regulating the physician authorized use of medical cannabis. And it was in the fall of 2009 that the administration issued the Ogden memorandum to federal prosecutors directing them to not “focus federal resources … on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana.”
Yet in recent days the administration has seen fit to interject itself in the ongoing legislative debate to establish and regulate medical marijuana dispensaries in Washington state. Last week, on the eve of a final House vote regarding Senate Bill 5073, the U.S. attorney for Eastern Washington issued a statement warning landlords that they could face forfeiture of their properties if they rent to licensed medical marijuana facilities. Undeterred, the House passed SB 5073 (the Senate had previously passed an earlier version of the bill), setting up a potential showdown between lawmakers and Democrat Gov. Chris Gregoire.
In an April 14, 2011 letter to Gov. Gregoire from the U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Attorneys Jenny Durkan of Seattle and Michael Ormsby of Spokane wrote, “[W]e maintain the authority to enforce the Controlled Substances Act vigorously against individuals and manufacturing and distribution activity involving marijuana, even if such activities are permitted under state law.”
The letter continues: “The Washington legislative proposals will create a licensing scheme that permits large-scale marijuana cultivation and distribution. This would authorize conduct contrary to federal law. … Accordingly, the Department [of Justice] could consider civil and criminal legal remedies who set up marijuana growing facilities … or who knowingly facilitate the actions of the licensees. … [S]tate employees who conducted activities mandated by the Washington legislative proposals would not be immune from liability under the Controlled Substances Act.”
Predictably, Gov. Gregoire is now shying away from the proposal. As reported by the Seattle Times, the Governor stated “In light of the Department of Justice’s guidance, it is clear that I cannot sign a bill that authorizes our state employees to license marijuana dispensaries when the department would prosecute those involved.” The Times noted that Gregoire “pledged to work with lawmakers on a new proposal.”
Is the Governor using the Feds’ letter as political cover to denounce a measure that she never intended to sign in the first place? Maybe. But the bigger picture is that the federal officials still seem content to selectively interject in the state lawmaking process as it pertains to the medical access to marijuana.
Will the Feds most recent threats have a potential chilling effect on pending legislation in Delaware, Illinois, and Vermont — additional states where lawmakers recently voted in favor of establishing similar state-licensed medical marijuana dispensaries? And what, if anything, do these threats imply for states like Colorado, Maine, New Mexico, and Rhode Island where such facilities have already been authorized by the state? Time will tell, but at present time it’s not looking good.
‘Change we can believe in?’ Not when it comes to medical marijuana policy.
Prohibitionists are “obsessed” with fear – a fear that will destroy them – and – our country with them. If not fear [then] they are “obsessed” with the payola they receive from their puppet master(s). In either case – they’re “obsessed” – and – that’s a “sickness” – a “serious sickness – a cancer” that has absolutely no place in our government. “Oh ya – it’s time” – to rid our ailing government of prohibs. “Oh ya – it’s time” – to let them know what their future has in store for them [nothing]. “Oh ya – it’s time” – 4-20 @ 4:20. Prohibitionists are puppets [on or off the string] for their puppet master(s). A prohibitionist doesn’t have a soul – even less a conscience. Think of the prohibitionist as a arsonist – and – We the American People as a fire fighter.
“Oh ya – it’s time for We the American People to take our rightful place as the leader of “our great country.” “Oh ya – it’s time” – to vociferate [speak out loudly] for our Constitution. “Oh ya – it’s time” – to reduce prohibitionists to a memory [bad memory] – but – not before we bring them to judgment..
The Feds have interfered in too may issues…steroids by baseball players, NFL strike..mind ur own business, let the leagues handle their own problems..
and not interfered in issues they should..discontinuing unemployment benefits for people who are still unemployed..they say that the unemplyment rate is down..that’s because people like me are not accounted for anymore..healthcare…POOR people living on the streets..helping to keep people out of jail..
If the State has approved MMJ, and the citizens are OK with it..leave them alone..leave ill people have some relief of their pain..let us live in peace and quiet..
Why is this still a surprise that Obama is FOS? The guy was a politician from the most corrupt party, in the most corrupt city, in the most corrupt state in America. Of course he’s going to lie to get votes.
Short of a second American Revolution, it’s going to take far more than hope and change to enact common sense in DC.
Yes, “Change you can believe in”, since nothing has changed guess we don’t have to believe the “candidate” Obama rhetoric. Keep Safe and Good Karma
The DOJ may claim Government’s Supremacy Clause to enforce the Controlled Substance Act [which itself is questionable]- but – the Constitution and the Supreme Court would disagree in that sovereign states have a sovereign right to control substances in that state – and – there is no conflicting interests in that. The DOJ, the DEA, and the ONDCP are violating our Constitution. Whether I’m right or wrong – “That’s the way it goes — talk to the hand.”
i’ve been watching the news on federal cuts while all those politicians scratch their heads trying to coming up with a way to cut federal spending, create job growth and on top of that i just saw something on CNN about the mexican drug cartel border war. Why isnt government running the numbers on this failed system? Dont they see that the cartels are all about the cold hard cash which most of their profit comes from marijuana sales that come from American buyers?
It’s pretty simple people. If she won’t sign it, find someone who will and boot her to the curb already.
Marijuana is still a big no no even for the sick and dying. The privatized prisons have a lot to do with that. The more people they have the more money they make. Sick!!
I wonder if the people still fighting against cannabis in the government actually believe the bull shit that they say, or if they’re doing this purely out of spite because we have finally beat them and the truth is out there now. Are they just ignorant buffoons, or are they a cornered weasel fighting until their last breath.
do not vote for obama..put his ass in prison
Why are the fighting this?? Wouldnt it be easier to controll and regulate in a few large grow sites vs. A bunch of smaller ones??
We the People of the United States of America – regardless of what prohibitionists think or say – hereinafter declare a “Conscience Clause” which forbids Genesists from complying with any law that prohibits our Sacrament. We claim the right to the religious use of Manna as our Sacrament, given to us by God [God giveth – and – only God can taketh away]. Because of it’s medicinal efficacy, we also claim it’s medical use. My references are The Bible, Genesis, Chapter I:1 – Genesis, Chapter I:29,30,31, and “Establishment Clause” in The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America.
Therefore be advised:
The American Genesist will not be available for “prohibitionists” in the up coming election or any election thereafter. In the meantime – stand aside – you’re obstructing my path of individual freedom. – which I will honorably defend with my life.
Why? Because they’re a bunch of dicks!!!
“Why are the Feds still meddling in states medical marijuana laws?”
Sorry, Paul Armentano, but was that a rhetorical question?
It couldn’t be that the Feds have the power (fiscal, regulatory, and military) to ride rough-shod over States’ Rights, and individual rights & liberties, and the fascistic will, incentive, and inclination to do exactly that. Besides job & budget preservation for our “War of Drugs” warriors, there are crony corporatist interests to uphold. The Feds can never publicly admit that natural marijuana smoked, ingested, or otherwise is actually one of nature’s most respected medicines — to do so would be to tacitly admit that 40+ years of the “War of Drugs” (and really 70+ years of Prohibition) were not just misguided but wrong.
At least 3 landmark studies of the effects of marijuana upon society and humankind (Siler Commission Report, Panama Canal Zone c1939; LaGuardia Commission Report, New York City c1944; and Shafer Commission Report, Washington, DC c1972)
have refuted the Federal government’s position regarding the dangers of marijuana and upheld at least 10,000 years of beneficial coexistence between cannabis sativa and homo sapiens.
There are, must be, other factors at work — suppression of minority rights, support of crony corporations, and the 800 pound elephant of self-interest in the room, civil asset forfeiture laws. But not science, that’s for certain.
Thank you for contacting me with your concerns regarding the medical use of marijuana (Cannabis). Despite the good intentions of the State Legislature in its attempts to clarify the often confusing laws regarding the medicinal use of cannabis, you can still be prosecuted for it even if licensed for medical use by the State. The United States federal government does not currently recognize any legitimate medical use of marijuana.
Eleven States, including Washington have made attempts to circumvent the Federal Controlled Substances Act to no avail. On June 6, 2005 the Supreme Court ruled in Gonzales v. Raich that Congress may ban the use of cannabis even where states approve its use for medicinal purposes. Unfortunately, if we were to pass HB 1550, it would make it even more confusing, not less. Unless the Food and Drug Administration reverses its position or there is an act of Congress marijuana will still be considered a controlled substance despite the efforts of the State Legislature to otherwise allow its use.
Many local law enforcement agencies are required to enforce the federal law in exchange for federal dollars. So while the State of Washington may not be committing resources to implement the Federal Controlled Substances Act, local law enforcement agencies may still be required to impose it.
I know this is not the answer you wanted to hear, I wish we could find an alternative way to help those who might benefit from the use of cannabis. Please know I understand your position, however this problem can only be addressed on a federal level. Thank you again for contacting me, I hope I have addressed your concerns.
Sincerely,
Judy Warnick
(360) 786-7932
Modular Building C, room 201
PO Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504-0600
The federal govt.must understand that their part in this marijuana being legal is not for them to decide . They should keep out of other peoples lives, besides who asked them for their intervention anyway? They should just go for the people by the people, not war against the United States. They cannot be controlling when it comes to the people etc. They must be controled so they can’t complicate anything anymore. Federal govt.needs reform or forgotten. Do we really need to fight communism in the USA too?
Please follow up on this.
seems like anytime we make any major break throughs they come through with another lame excuse or threat to stop how is it an ignorant government has so much power anyway local law enforcement seem to resemble small time government all there own why is this can it be stopped
They are just trying as hard as they can to slow or hault the process. I just feel sorry the people that have to go through all this bullshit, myself included. Marijuana is natures medicinal gift, why fight nature with ignorance? Its like they are hitting their heads against a wall and refuse to stop hurting themselves(aka hurting us)
I believe that Obama changed the instant he won the position of President! That is change we can all believe in!
Will someone please help me find the answer to a simple question – – In America in the last say 40 years or so what have 75% of the American people ever agreed on other than legalizing “medical cannabis”?
So much unjustified hate.
The Federal Government is doing all it can to prevent the marijuana market from becoming legitimized, contrary to the will of several state legislatures. The Feds obviously prefer to keep this market in the hands of criminals, thugs and cartels.
Makes you wonder why??????????
If the feds allow five patients to receive federal medical cannabis,couldn’t they be sued on the grounds that the logic of the CSA is invalid?
“We the People of the United States of America.” Man! – that has a beautiful ring to it. “Majority Rule” is an equally thrilling tingle in the ear. “Freedom” just blows me away. The only problem with these three phrases are – they have become “fantasy – a figment of our imagination- a mirage.” We are, if we “let it happen to us,” a controlled mass. How does “puppet” sound? We can at least show prohibitionists what’s in store for them 4 days from today on 4-20 @ 4:20. “Nothing happens unless we make it happen – and – we can make anything happen.” But! – We the People have to do it – no one is going to do it for us.
The Federal administration that puts a state worker in jail for doing state work, will lose every elected office in that state.
The Federal Government is taking a taking a COMPLETE and TOTAL stand AGAINST our Nation’s Declaration of Independence and Constitution!!! It’s time to stop this. Period.
Oh, yeah… – “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. ….”
It is NOT the Federal Government’s purpose AT ALL to do what they are doing right now. They are NOT supposed to be setting up new laws against the states.
our goverment is out of control, it is no longer a goverment of the people for the people by the people it is now a goverment of corporations for corporations by corporations. i dont know if we can defeat this. i want my medicne back and i want my goverment to follow the will of the people. poll in ohio of 73% want medical marijuana yet our goverment officials have a bill hidden in the health committee and wont let it see the light of day. i know why its big pharma and private prisons and the dea that wants to keep taking tax payer money that the people dont want anymore of the war on marijuana i just dont know if we can acually win anymore it has been made abundantly clear that our goverment is not for the people anymore.
The failed “War on Drugs,” or as it SHOULD be called, the “War on Marijuana,” is understandable, given the 70+ years of anti-pot propaganda the American public’s been fed. Amazingly, many of these folks still TRULY BELIEVE that pot should remain a “Schedule I” drug, since Schedule I drugs are classified as addictive, highly conducive to abuse (with an implied “threat” of “overdose”…), and with NO recognized medicinal application.
The “bloat” of federal resources, coupled with taxpayer money, with NOTHING TO SHOW for it, except increased violence; an overcrowded, unsustainable prison system; millions of lives ruined (talk about the “scales of justice” being unequal – does the “punishment” REALLY fit the “crime”?); along with the continued racial discrimination (that’s part of the original basis for pot prohibition), seems never-ending…
I’m disappointed with Obama (I’m a Democrat), tho I haven’t written him off completely… but as a Californian, who’s seen the raids continue, despite AG Holder’s memos to the contrary, medical pot prohibition should NOT be allowed in states with legislated state med pot programs! Doesn’t anybody at the federal level see the utter waste, and HARM this “war” is engendering? Apparently, “greed” triumphs over our well-being, our constitutional rights (which are violated time-and-time again), and our respective state’s sovereignty.
Nevertheless, as a person who’s smoked pot daily since 1967, I’m hoping these ramped-up “persecute-and-prosecute” all pot users policies are the government’s LAST-ditch efforts, before pot is fully legalized, as I know some of them (whether they admit to it, or not) DO see the “handwriting on the wall,” with eventual legalization in the future.
Continue to engage in “pot politics” — you CAN make a difference! If someone had told me back in the ’60s that someday I’d be carrying a card in my wallet that allowed me to smoke 1-1/2 oz of pot per week for diabetic neuropathy, and chronic depression, I would’ve said, “You must be trippin’!” Point is, I’ve been involved in marijuana advocacy for over 40 years (just like NORML!), and it’s gratifying to see the progress we’ve made, which is why I’m optimistic that pot will be legal, despite the government’s “best” (maybe that should be “worst”) efforts.
Stay Aware, Stay High and Peace!
It is about Power and Money, Feds could spend better use of time, guns, human trafficking, I think they have an attitude of this we canb do while they have been totally unsuccessful other than closing down mmj shops. Stupid Feds go after the guys with little money and many medical conditions.
Follow the money, we could end Mexico’s cartel with legalize drugs, how many lives would we save everyday in Mexico? I am so tired of being told my ideals are so bad since they include getting pot legalized.
The problem with this is the federal government has no legal, Constitutional authority to interfere this way in the business of the States. The 10th Amendment in addition to the Constitutional limitation put on the federal government make this a complete no no! But unless the people of the States (which the federal government is trying to steamroll) stand up and refuse to acknowledge the federal government’s intrusion into State law, this kind of blackmail by the federal government will continue.
Yes, Cannabis is as dangerous as Plutonium. That’s why the Feds have the authority to do this.
The medical cannabis bill that passed the Washington State House of Representatives Monday, April 11, is now a ghost of its former self, and is set to dramatically weaken our state’s voter-approved medical cannabis law. For some folks, anything one can paint as a victory to donors helps their bottom line, and for some, adding myriad restrictions to our law is a necessary evil in a long-term political and public opinion strategy. But please be informed that the bill as amended in the state house is, on balance, shockingly horrible for medical cannabis patients in our state.
On the arguably positive side, SB 5073 implements a very limited and licensed dispensary and grower network in Washington State. It promises to provide limited protections to patients who register with the government in a future state-run database run by our Department of Health, whose current director has a history of refusing to implement medical cannabis legislation and of surreptitiously supplanting rules created in the public rule-making process with the will of our governor. It provides an affirmative defense to patients visiting from out of state. It also defines “useable cannabis” and “plant” much more favorably.
THE CURRENT BILL IS BAD FOR DOCTORS:
Requires an authorizing health care professional to be the primary care provider or a “specialist” — which likely requires specialty certification, which does not exist currently for medical cannabis — in order to authorize the medical use of cannabis. Section 301.
Places ten new requirements on health care professionals who recommend medical cannabis. Disallows health care professionals from running “medical cannabis only” clinics, or from making any statement on the medical use of cannabis in any advertisement for their practice. Violations would be findings of unprofessional conduct, and the punishments may include per-violation fines of up to $5,000 and license revocation under RCW 18.130.160. Most doctors in our state that currently authorize medical cannabis risk having their livelihood destroyed in doing so. Section 301.
THE CURRENT BILL IS BAD FOR PATIENTS:
Protections from search and arrest were <a href="“>gutted on the house floor Monday. Patients will not be safe from police terror unless they register in a future government database, which we believe may never be implemented by our Department of Health. Section 402.
Invalidates all current “lifetime” authorizations. Section 201(32)(b)(i).
Places additional requirements and limits on “designated provider” documentation. Section 201(32)(b)(iii).
Codifies in law that state-funded housing programs may disallow the medical use of cannabis. Section 410.
Disavows the medical necessity common law defense. Washington appellate courts have a “division split” on the medical necessity common law defense, and the bill specifically removes its underlying support for the defense as we wait to see if our supreme court will take up the appeal. Section 102(3).
Denies the medical cannabis affirmative defense to members of our military. Section 501(5).
Expressly allows DOC or any other correctional authority to disallow the medical use of cannabis. Sections 102(4), 201(26)(b), 803(3), 1105.
Expressly allows Washington State hotels and motels to refuse to accommodate medical cannabis patients. Section 501(4).
Makes “tougher” the existing restrictions against driving “under the influence” of medical cannabis. Section 501(8).
Provides immunity to law enforcement and all other state actors who violate the privacy of the future state-run registry. Section 1101.
THE CURRENT BILL IS BAD FOR DISPENSARIES:
Removes the affirmative defense and legal underpinning for all currently operating dispensaries. Section 201(6)(d).
Requires currently operating dispensaries to notify local authorities of their intent to apply for a future license if they are to be afforded an affirmative defense in court. This notification — or admission of criminal behavior — will likely lead to threats of closure and raids from local authorities. Section 1201.
Places an “advertising ban” on dispensaries that forbids speech which “promotes or tends to promote the use or abuse of cannabis.” Specifically states that any visual or artistic representation of cannabis is illegal. Each violation is punishable by fines of up to $1,000. Section 802.
Allows local jurisdictions to adopt zoning, “health and safety,” licensing, and tax requirements on dispensaries. Section 1102.
READ THE BILL:
5073-S2.E AMH ENGR H2509.E.pdf
The medical cannabis bill that passed the Washington State House of Representatives Monday, April 11, is now a ghost of its former self, and is set to dramatically weaken our state’s voter-approved medical cannabis law. For some folks, anything one can paint as a victory to donors helps their bottom line, and for some, adding myriad restrictions to our law is a necessary evil in a long-term political and public opinion strategy. But please be informed that the bill as amended in the state house is, on balance, shockingly horrible for medical cannabis patients in our state.
On the arguably positive side, SB 5073 implements a very limited and licensed dispensary and grower network in Washington State. It promises to provide limited protections to patients who register with the government in a future state-run database run by our Department of Health, whose current director has a history of refusing to implement medical cannabis legislation and of surreptitiously supplanting rules created in the public rule-making process with the will of our governor. It provides an affirmative defense to patients visiting from out of state. It also defines “useable cannabis” and “plant” much more favorably.
THE CURRENT BILL IS BAD FOR DOCTORS:
* Requires an authorizing health care professional to be the primary care provider or a “specialist” — which likely requires specialty certification, which does not exist currently for medical cannabis — in order to authorize the medical use of cannabis. Section 301.
* Places ten new requirements on health care professionals who recommend medical cannabis. Disallows health care professionals from running “medical cannabis only” clinics, or from making any statement on the medical use of cannabis in any advertisement for their practice. Violations would be findings of unprofessional conduct, and the punishments may include per-violation fines of up to $5,000 and license revocation under RCW 18.130.160. Most doctors in our state that currently authorize medical cannabis risk having their livelihood destroyed in doing so. Section 301.
THE CURRENT BILL IS BAD FOR PATIENTS:
* Protections from search and arrest were gutted on the house floor Monday. Patients will not be safe from police terror unless they register in a future government database, which we believe may never be implemented by our Department of Health. Section 402.
* Invalidates all current “lifetime” authorizations. Section 201(32)(b)(i).
* Places additional requirements and limits on “designated provider” documentation. Section 201(32)(b)(iii).
* Codifies in law that state-funded housing programs may disallow the medical use of cannabis. Section 410.
* Disavows the medical necessity common law defense. Washington appellate courts have a “division split” on the medical necessity common law defense, and the bill specifically removes its underlying support for the defense as we wait to see if our supreme court will take up the appeal. Section 102(3).
* Denies the medical cannabis affirmative defense to members of our military. Section 501(5).
* Expressly allows DOC or any other correctional authority to disallow the medical use of cannabis. Sections 102(4), 201(26)(b), 803(3), 1105.
* Expressly allows Washington State hotels and motels to refuse to accommodate medical cannabis patients. Section 501(4).
* Makes “tougher” the existing restrictions against driving “under the influence” of medical cannabis. Section 501(8).
* Provides immunity to law enforcement and all other state actors who violate the privacy of the future state-run registry. Section 1101.
THE CURRENT BILL IS BAD FOR DISPENSARIES:
* Removes the affirmative defense and legal underpinning for all currently operating dispensaries. Section 201(6)(d).
* Requires currently operating dispensaries to notify local authorities of their intent to apply for a future license if they are to be afforded an affirmative defense in court. This notification — or admission of criminal behavior — will likely lead to threats of closure and raids from local authorities. Section 1201.
* Places an “advertising ban” on dispensaries that forbids speech which “promotes or tends to promote the use or abuse of cannabis.” Specifically states that any visual or artistic representation of cannabis is illegal. Each violation is punishable by fines of up to $1,000. Section 802.
* Allows local jurisdictions to adopt zoning, “health and safety,” licensing, and tax requirements on dispensaries. Section 1102.
READ THE BILL:
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Amendments/House/5073-S2.E%20AMH%20ENGR%20H2509.E.pdf
30. Tim – well said Tim
Re: Rebuttal to the DOJ statement and 02.01.11 Memo
“We the People [hereby relieve you of your authority] to enforce the Controlled Substance Act vigorously against individuals and manufacturing and distribution activity involving marijuana, even if such activities are permitted under state law.” Further: If your defiance and disobedience continues – you will leave us no other alternative but to take such necessary steps against you to enforce our “mandate and order.“ It is just as easy for us to be vigilant as it is for prohibs to do so. A word to the wise is sufficient. Be wise for a change.
Understand this – 3141 counties [Genesist colonies] make up the long arm of the Genesist Faith in the U.S. The question then becomes – “How many Genesists are there in each colony? “ Well! It’s a guess – but – “How many individuals in each county [colony] believe in God and God’s Sacrament?” You do the math!
Prohibitionists [must] be made to understand one thing – and one thing only. “They are violating our Constitution/religious freedom by prohibiting our Sacrament. Prohibitionists must be made to completely grasp one other plain and simple fact – very simply put – “That ain’t gonna happen!” What prohibs [must] be made to understand is that this is not some silly little cat and mouse game. Genesists are serious, committed, mature individuals who live by the word and will of our Creator, and our Constitution. The Genesist Faith is gonna have our Sacrament whether prohibs like it or not – and – “we are prepared to take action!” Amen!
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P.S. to 35
We keep asking for a forum so to present our case and evidence to a candid audience. Perhaps the Supreme Court would be the best media outlet for the whole world to see. Let’s go prohibs – you don’t have that much to hide – do ya?
I am sorry I voted for and donated to Obama His reluctance to stop the DEA from arresting medical marijuana dispensaries in states where medical pot is legal is just wrong and he is losing a lot of his hard core loyalists.
What does he have to gain by doing this? Wake up Obama before you have no supporters left.
The answer to that question, my dear Watson, is that no one has slashed their budget.
Three simple words….Grow your own!
Any patient can do this and I’m sure the federal government doesn’t have the resources to go door-to-door to bust everyone growing a few plants. I like the idea of dispensaries, but for now, it is better to stay low-key and either grow your own medicine or have a caregiver do it for you.
In just one grow, a patient can have enough product to last for many months, depending on usage.
It is true that most people that visit this site are aware of the civil violations on the part of the federal government; however, this is not really something one hears about much unless it is being looked for. In the 60’s, violations of civil rights continued unchecked until people saw violence against protestors by the police on national television. Likewise, prop 19 put the topic out there for everyone to hear about. Politicions are currently more afraid of big pharma and the like than they are us. That needs to change. People need to understand that this issue is a cornerstone of liberty issue. We must tell our news providers we don’t care about what Lindsey or Charlie did this week as much as we do about the Federal government acting like they derive their power out of their own imagination and not the people for whom the Constitution stands.
We are not having a war on drugs We are having
civil war II. We will win this war and hopefully make our own change. Yes change you can believe in. The tide has changed and our government had better do the will of the people before we deciede that we dont need them any more. We will never stop.If there was a call to arms against washington today I would gladly join Get those crooked bastards the hell out of power
Then Federal Government is being pig headed and their local copy buddies are probablly in cahoots with eachother Maybe we then people need to come together tighter thankyou every before my decision Don’t trust the Police!!!
@windy, #34
I just send a message to the white house and to my congressman and my idiot senator, sorry, but he just so out of touch with reality.
I have most always brought up the constitutionality of the whole thing,, but it falls on def ears. At least it seems that way.
You would think there was a direct, peaceful, organized way to fix this issue….. right.,
maybe a worldwide sit-in, like the 60’s, the big shut-down for world-wide-weed
Jesus said to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. None of us would want our child thrown in jail with the sexual predators over a little marijuana. It’s time to let ordinary Americans grow a little marijuana in their own back yards.
This is just the tip of the iceburg,as far as the Feds are concerned.
I hope this isn’t off-topic but has anyone here heard of the bill S-510
that regulates(prohibits) Growing- Trading and Saving vegetable seed’s
for home gardening?..”.This tyrannical law puts all food production (yes, even food produced in your own garden) under the authority of the Department of Homeland Security. Yep — the very same people running the TSA and its naked body scanner / passenger groping programs”.This law would also give the U.S. government the power to arrest any backyard food producer as a felon (a “smuggler”) for merely growing lettuce and selling it at a local farmer’s market.
I’ts not just Cannabis anymore kids -They Want Absolute Control Over our Food Supply -This law passed the senate in december 2010 i beleive-scary stuff!
Fed-Up, that description of the bill isn’t quite correct, almost but not quite:
http://laughterandliberty.com/senate-bill-s510-explained-sort-of/
Just seems to me that if the DEA was defunded some of our social ills would be solved. Currently the budget for the DEA is over 2 billion dollars and a staff of almost 11,000. Get rid of the DEA and farm them out to Iraq and Afghanistan where they can help rebuild the infrastructure or just provide support services. This is a rogue agency that is just sucking our coffers dry. In 1972 when this agency was created their budget was 65.2 million and they had a staff of 2,775. Strewn in their path of the 40 year failed war on Marijuana is a very sad history of Richard Nixon and his completely whacked world view towards protestors and the peace movement.
Its like the saying goes, you know when a politican is lying because their mouth is moving.
FUBAR!
So, when does the Revolution start?
How ’bout 4:20?
Reform our prison system by dismantling the DEA and turning them into guards of violent criminals. Let all the pot smokers and non violent offenders go free. Then they’ll have something constructive to do instead of picking on pussies who refuse to fight back with guns and bloodshed, just like the DEA does.
53. Windy – I didn’t laugh – I cried inside [then] became outraged.
Then will you hear me now?
Genesists are not tin foil hat wearing weirdos who think we need rights and freedom. Genesists are steel battle helmet patriots who [have] rights and freedoms, and [will] defend those rights and freedoms with our lives, and to our death. “We are American Genesists.”
The Democrats and Liberals want big government and big laws – the Republicans and Conservatives want limited government and big laws. Either way – we’re plagued with “Big Laws” – and – reject the statement as to who is going to stay out of our lives – that’s non-sense and fantasy. Reality indicates that we have the necessary ingredients brewing for a civil war – and – by the sound of the jungle drums and the sight of smoke signals – we’re about to have one. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to circle the wagons.
The questions we should ask ourselves are:
1. If S510 – FDA Food Safety Modernization Act requires those who “grow and share” food to be regarded as “Community Supported Agricultural Suppliers” – how does that effect cannabis collective and coops?
2. How does S510 fit into “No Home Grow” legislation being pushed in all 50 states?
3. How does the 02.01.11 DOJ Memo piece fit into this puzzle?
4. How does the DEA-FDA rescheduling of whole plant material extracts to schedule III fit the puzzle?
5. How does this effect importing hemp seeds from Canada [ask Mark Emery]?
6. How is this all being orchestrated?
It’s almost impossible to read this bill with any dignity – but – I will say this – there are some “political wizards” working on this – and – may I add that Dingall is without a doubt a complete and total – “Dingallberry.”
You know, this could be countered pretty easily. Similarly to the couple of states which have made laws to protect mmj patients from discrimination in the workplace etc., the lawmakers in Washington could pass an addendum to the bill protecting any person, state employee or otherwise, who facilitates the acquisition of a license or activities pertaining thereto from federal prosecution. Make it a felony punishable by 10 years in a maximum security state prison for any federal employee to enforce the Controlled Substances Act as it pertains to cannabis in contravention of state mmj laws. If such a law was actually enforced, I’ll bet the federal enforcers would stop screwing with that state pretty quick.
The best solution to this ridiculous stand-off between laws that do more harm than good and freedom is to get I-1149 on the ballot and then pass it, it takes away ALL penalties for cannabis, completely, then people can grow/buy/sell/transport/use it for medicine without any hassles from State government.
As for the federal government, refer back to my first statement in this thread. Obviously, the federal government has no authorized Constitutional power to interfere in State laws, nor to demand State officials enforce federal laws. The only power it has in these circumstances is the power of fear in the people and State officials. Throw off that fear and stand up for your Rights, tell the federal government to go suck an egg.
Washington State should not back down. Nor should any other state that is considering adopting medical marijuana laws. Let them come in and bust dispensaries. Put it on State, local, and national news. The Federal government has fought medical marijuana all along. When a few states legalized it for medicine the world did not fall apart. People realized it is medicine. Now the Feds know they have to stop any more states from becoming medically marijuana friendly. The lies about no medical marijuana use have been found out to be LIES. When all or most of the Fifty States legalized Medical Marijuana the Federal government will have to change the scheduling of marijuana. Marijuana is a benign herb. The laws against marijuana are more harmful than the plant itself. It’s way past time to change the unjust marijuana laws. Contact your Senators, Representatives, The AMA, The President. Tell them what you think and that you vote and you will not vote for anyone that is anti marijuana….at least for medical and spiritual purposes. Stand up now or just let the situation revert back to the way it was under Nixon. I recently e-mailed the Govenor of Montanna Thanking him for his wise position on medical marijuana. Get active. The Feds are running scared and are showing their true bully boy status.
The Federal Government is running scared and is showing it’s true bully boy status.
I had a nice long post and it dissappeared. When the majority of States change the law to allow medical marijuana the Federal government will have no choice but to change the wrongful scheduling of marijuana. The current laws are based on lies, racism, and favortism to big buisiness and corporations. Now that some states have medical marijuana laws on the books and the world has not fallen apart they are coming down hard on any new states. This needs to be in the National, State, and Local News. Where is it? It’s hidden away. Mail all of your representatives and tell them that you vote and that medical marijuana should be legalized. I just e-mailed Montanna’s Govenor thanking him on his stand for medical marijuana. You have got to Thank them when they are good and chastize them and vote them out when they don’t follow your wishes. We need non violent peaceful disobedience and the attitude that we are not going to take it anymore. The last prohibition was overcome when we had a great Depression. We’re in another one and we need to get out of this prohibition. They won’t tell us we are in a Deprssion beause they lie about the unemployment numbers. They lie about the infation numbers. They lie about SAFE, CLEAN, CHEAP NUCLER ENERGY. They lie about marijuana. They lie about the reasons for going to war. They lie about the debts we owe. They lie, lie, lie….. It’s past time that they were called out on their lying. Write them, call them, e-mail them.
you people have to start realizing that you do not live in a free country anymore. We live in a fascist state: a merger between corporate power and the federal government. Since Bush convinced the people to give up so many freedoms, we have been living midway between democracy and dictatorship. Obama recently decided he was going to IGNORE part of the budget plan agreed on by Congress. Despite the fact that Congress decided he was no longer aloud to pay his “Czars,” he signed a statement saying that he plans to ignore that order. That is not in any way acceptable. We need a revolution. They are controlling everything, and the presidential administration will not willingly give up that power.
“You prohibitionist weasel! – and – you may, if you so choose, take this personally. You dirty rotten no good skunk. You’ve spit on my country, raped my Constitution, shot my dog, and stole my Bible – but – you didn’t get my soul – and – that will become your worst nightmare. That’s not a threat – that’s a promise – MF. Perhaps by now – everyone is aware of how much I personally disfavor prohibitionists – and – make no bones about it whatsoever. I don’t “hate” them [hate is not in my vocabulary – hate will destroy me – not them] – but – I passionately “dislike them immensely.”
Prohibs live with their misery because they’re so terrified of change, and the unknown associated with it. If they would just surrender to common sense and reason, and “let it be,” they might come to know the truth – but – no! they’re not interested in the truth – they’re not familiar with the truth – their only interested in their own misguided opinion, supplemented by their arrogance. Cannabis may be a foreign concept to them – but – I wonder how they feel about being deceived – and – being relieved of their liberty. Right! “Deceived and Relieved.”
Prohibs simply can’t master their minds. Their inflexible [stubborn] thoughts keep getting in the way. Prohibs are truly caught in the middle of their own level of awareness – tormented – they can’t cross over the line – either way. They have no Equilibrium of the Soul. They let their bad thoughts kick ass on their good thoughts. This occurs when they try to “think for others” – and – “insist that their thoughts are the only thoughts suitable for all of humanity.” They let evil rush in, and prejudice pave the path to the truth. Who in the hell needs that – except those in hell – under the control of Satin? I sure as hell personally don’t – and – I’m sworn to defeat their arrogance until I hear them scream – “Uncle, uncle, uncle – I give up!” – I promise!
Will they ever stop the lies and deception? Our tax dollars at work? What will happen when they run out of dummys to believe their horseshit?
complete legalization is the only answer, now, fight for it. it’s the only way to be rid of lawyers and politicians. then, and only then will we be able to grow fields of industrial marijuana, saving you from big lumber, big cotton, big chemical, and big oil. then grow your own medical marijuana and save your family from big pharmacy. they recognized marijuana as their enemy 100 years ago, with all its healing properties for so many medical issues, and cancer. a cure for cancer in a plant anyone can grow, for pennies. big pharmacy is willing to spend millions for propaganda to scare people, and if that doesn’t work, put them in jail. complete legalization is the only answer, or we will never be rid of the lawyers and politicians, and the taxes.
The 21ST CENTURY INQUISITORS have a blank check when it comes to MARIJUANA PROHIBITION. As long as the cash comes rollin in for their budget, the FANTASY of winning the DRUG WAR is real to them. State by state the changes are coming into view as the NEW MOTHER NATURE is inching its way at the wall of MARIJUANA PROHIBITION and the FEDS are trying to restructure deviant applications of a law of their own. THE CONSTITUTION is going KAPUT in the name of FEDERALISM or just plain old BIG BROTHER and TOTALITARIANISM and the ORWELLIAN MENTALITY. DON’T THINK-DON’T FEEL-DON’T DREAM-JUST DO AS WE SAY and ingest drugs that are FDA approved and created by BIG PHARMA. Fifty states with fifty different views creates chaos and the WALL OF MARIJUANA PROHIBITION is starting to weaken, but the BARBARIANS ARE AT THE GATE as long as their are tax dollars siphon off the budget. In a few more years add another TRILLION DOLLARS the FEDS will blow for control of the masses and their TOTALITARIAN DREAM OF A NEW WORLD ORDER.
The Johnny Appleseed strategy might be nice.
If it was as widespread as dandelion’s….good luck feds.
But, I fear they will get around that too, but just making any % of it in your blood stream an offense.
This is simply backlash that is far overdue and may times told to be coming. We had the same thing happen in the 70s when we all thought it was almost over yet the doors shut closed very hard. But this is also the time for the judicial system to step in and start throwing cases in front of judges and juries and thats where laws can be made and or saved. Just like the FL judgement about the door to door drug dog sniffing and how that may change how police can treat citizens.
All I can say is we need to weather this storm of backlash and use it to swell our numbers to then win this fight once and for all. Just remember no matter what state your in the Federal government has turned you into a criminal and will come get you if they choose, with that we are all the same even in KY where we have NO medical marijuana laws on the books. SO we all have to keep fighting because we are all criminals in there eyes!
thats a good idea #60 we should get the word out.
Sunday 04.17.11 CDXX Communion.
Then will you hear me now?
Genesists didn’t come to town on a horse! We know that NORML allows us to air our grievances, share our opinions, and provide us with information we need to draw our own conclusions. It also allows us our
anger. Ya know! – when I’m pissed off [which is an every day occurrence with prohibs] – I don’t hold that anger inside and let it eat me up – “I vent – I let it out” – and – NORML provides that outlet/forum. Hell! NORML is good therapy. Maybe they ought to get a couple of hundred bucks an hour like other shrinks do. It may even surprise you to know that NORML has its own opinion, regardless of the facts they present [I’ve had many of their opinions thrown at me – message received]. We are all human, and thank God we act like humans. So! for all the other things I’m thankful for today in CDXX Communion – I want to thank NORML. They’ve certainly been patient with Genesists for a long time now – in our joy, and in our anger, but mostly allowing us to reach our brethren who fight for the right to our Sacrament. I hope we Genesists, through the “Reformation” of our brethren, have been as good for NORML as NORML has been to us.
Have a great CDXX Communion
I don’t understand, the Fed’s keep saying that they are going to waltz right in a throw all us us in jail. What the hell happened to our elected officials! The Fed’s DO NOT have jurisdiction inside ANY state borders! Read the law!!!!!
“Well, it does,” he said, “but what of it?”
“This,” said I, “that they will have to employ
many of those drugs [pharmakeuein]
of which we were speaking.
We thought that an inferior physician sufficed
for bodies that do not need drugs but yield
to diet and regimen.
But when it is necessary to prescribe drugs
we know that a more enterprising and venturesome physician is required.”
“True; but what is the pertinency?”
“This,” said I: “it seems likely that our rulers
will have to make considerable use
of falsehood and deception.”
[459c] The Republic, Plato
74. Buggsy13420666
If things keep going the way they are going now – My Evil Brother will depress our currency until the coffee can we put our cash in will be worth more than the cash we put in it. We will all live in shanties, and stand in long lines for a loaf of bread. This is what government will provide us “for the privilege of saving our asses” from the Great Satin. “The middle class is/will be a credit card – until it’s maxed out [then] cut, cut, snip, snip – bye bye middle class. The middle class will be in the bankruptcy courts like everyone else [and] our country.” Someone is pretentious as hell and needs to get real! However – if you have a family trust [in] My Evil Brother’s bank, and are living off your trust allowance for life, you’ll be O.K. At least you’ll be able to jet set around the world during the season. Don’t forget the Deb’s Ball next month. I say – Carlton – golf Tuesday at the club. – and – Buffy – bring some bud – my stash is gone. What’s wrong with this picture?
Have a great CDXX Communion
“GOOD-BYE MR. SPALDING!”
Boy! We sure could use a “Home Run” now!
April 20, 2100 @ 4:20 p.m.
Let’s put it over the fence!
“GOOD-BYE MR. SPALDING!”
Its time for Pitchforks & torches! Who wants a Govt that LIES to you?
Thee Bud Guru, I and many others have been trying to get that message out, but it seems some people (so-called “important” people/politicians/pundits, and even just everyday citizens like you and me) are absolutely immune to the truth, I’m thinking their brains don’t even recognize there are letters on the page, let alone words, when they see truthful statements about the limited powers of the federal government, they go willfully blind; and I am pretty damn certain they do not hear those words when spoken aloud, so they go willfully deaf, too.
Minus 14.22 trillion and counting.
The line in the sand all those special drug cops are worried about their pay checks, if cannabis becomes the accepted high, what will happen to all those proud drug cops?
It is time for a real change, forget about Obama he is a loser.
Gather close and choose well
As far as I can understand, there are only be 5 ways to correct this recurring problem of government failing to comply with the will of the people — sending emails, snail-mail letters, and phone calls aren’t getting their attention:
(1) vote all these politicians out of office — even better, recall them (asap) if your State has such a legal process;
(2) regardless of threats, keep passing State MMJ, decriminalization, and/or re-legalization legislation;
(3) massive coordinated protests in the streets all across the country, as a matter of non-violent civil disobedience;
(4) repeal prohibition by way of jury nullification, or if busted request a jury trial — prospective jurors will have to lie to get on the jury;
OR (5) revolution, real honest-to-goodness blood-in-the-streets hang-the-fascists-from-lampposts revolution.
Our Federal government and their lackeys at the State and Local level have overturned nearly 1,000 years of established common English law, beginning with the Magna Carta — that’s what civil asset forfeiture is, illegal. They have used the prohibition of an innocent plant to persecute minorities, stripping them of their rights and freedom. They have used the War on Drugs to prop up favored corporations fiscally, over the rights of citizens to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”.
At nearly every turn, “our” government lies to We the People, whether it’s lies about cannabis, the inflation and unemployment rates, WMDs as a rationale for illegal immoral unjustified foreign military adventures, or about who caused the contrived economic collapse and why the perpetrators aren’t being prosecuted (some of them are in Obama’s Cabinet). One more “little white lie” from our Drug Czar or our President hardly seems worth getting upset about – it’s Their SOP, and it’s FUBAR.
Except that it is our tax dollars and our seized assets that are funding the very jack-booted goose-stepping fascists that are shooting us in our homes, throwing us in prison for a plant, with the ever-increasing power of the Police State. It’s time to do … something — take your pick of (1) through (5) above …
Why? Because thier being “LOBBIED” to!
P.S. to 82
Damn – it’s Y2K11 not 2100. What a dummy I am! My only excuse is that “There are no excuses.”
Unbelievable. Glad to see that the taxes I paid last week are going to good use.
The federal government is the criminal here…they don’t want marijuana legal because they have so many federal postal workers dealing pot to everyone under video survellance and police protection….why do think the price is so high? the government scoundrals do not want to allow marijuana to be legalized or decriminalized because that would cut into the profits of all their littLe and big government scroundrels moonlighting career. Uncle sam is running the cartels and the military is right in the middle of it also. Our government is the biggest bunch of liars. We all know that….It’s time to impeach the government as a whole and take back our rights , freedoms and liberties. This government is the equivalent of political corruption and government scoundralism.
We the people are tired of this OPPRESSION…and it’s past time “We The People SHOULD STAND UP AND BE HEARD.
END MARIJUANA PROHIBTION.
LEGALIZE MARIJUANA and open up the industry and provide jobs for americans, tax and regulate before this country goes down the funnel any farther before it’s too late.
JUST DO IT!
Everyone SHOULD “COME OUT AND BE HEARD” ON
April 20th @ 4:20 o’clock.
JUST DO IT!!!
YES WE CAN!! 4/20/2011 AT 4:20 O’CLOCK NATIONWIDE!
END MARIJUANA PROHIBITION
4/20/2011 AT 4:20
Yes we can!!
Leave work early that day,
Your damn boss is only trying to squeeze you out of more labor anyway and if you have anyone associated with the government in any way whatsoever that works where you do, your employer will probably give the croonies that bonus for YOUR hard work anyway. I slaved for too many years as a dedicated employee, to only see a couple of ex-military scumbags that sat around on their asses, tring to do as little work as they could possibly get by with and playing computer games and bullshitting on the telephone more than anything, and they get frequent bonuses. I got one small bonus per year for all my hard work, extra effort and dedication.
If you ever feel that is probably happening to you at your place of employment..then it probably is happening.
SO EVERYONE TAKE THE REST OF THE DAY OFF AFTER 3:00 p.m. ON 4/20/2011 AND GIVE YOUR SELF TIME TO JOIN THE REST OF THE CROWD on 420 @ 4:20.
I don’t know about you the people, but I’m tired of the abuse.
You really think that Pres. Obama was just going to sign an Executive Order legalizing cannabis? Please. The negative comments made against Pres. Obama are unfortunate, and reflect ignorance of those making them. Until the Congress and White House pass and sign a federal law legalizing and regulating cannabis, there will always be a conflict between federal and state laws. Instead of just toking, complaining and blogging, try actually contacting your state representative and hold an adult conversation with them. That is where it starts. I would be curious to know how many people who post on here actually get involved with their local and state politics. Do you know who represents your district in congress? Have you ever lobbied them for legalization of cannabis? That is where it starts. So don’t sit and complain about a President that was handed a bad economy and debt. Too many people expected too much out of President Obama. True Change comes from the ground up, Not from Washington D.C. Call your local leaders, attend a town hall meeting. Write to your congressmen and women. With continued efforts and making the case for legalization, it may happen. Until then, quit with the ignorant comments, it only lends crediblity to those that are against legalization.
Remember Egypt, Syria, Tunisia and Lybia…..
It’s that time people.
END MARIJUANA PROHIBITION
4/20/2011 AT 4:20 O’CLOCK
Of course we all know of some government bastards and government scoundrals that need to be ousted!!
Just like the people of Egypt, etc, etc.
Obama can write memos till he is “Dem. Donkey Blue” in the face. We all know Michele Lionfart runs her department “Her way”. So much for having a strong Prez!!!
Because They CAN!
The Amazing Reality behind “Recreational Legalization” and the Stunningly SHRILL Shrieking INSISTENCE by the Equally Stunningly Naive Cubicle Left (As opposed to the REAL Left) that “PRIVATIZATION = LEGALIZATION”..is..”IS”..the Entire “REASON” ..”Why”..the Federal Government Can..Will and IS JUSTIFIED in Continuing to Attack.
I left ALL Support for “Nroml” when they decided to “Support” the Truly Diabolical PRIVATIZATION of the Medicinal Cannabis Movement via “Prop19”.
Richard Lee is simply a “Rip-Off”.
I realize this is “Too Much Freedom Of Expression” for the Cubicle Left “Moderators” but..its the TRUTH.
Medicinal Cannabis WORKS!
Its ALREADY “Legal” and ALREADY Generating BILLIONS in Taxes of every Description.
By Rabidly Supporting the “Control” by literally a HANDFULL of Individuals to the Exclusion of EVERYONE ELSE..well..thats PUSHY.
And the Feds? They ALREADY WON!
They Won in the SCOTUS.
They HAve the “Right” to REGULATE under Interstate Commerce Clause.
In a Literally “UNIQUE” moment of again..UNIQUE Understanding the Feds “ALLOW” the Medicinal States to ALLOW COTTAGE INDUSTRY to Flourish.
But..the Rich and the Connected just REFUSED to “SHARE”.
And look around.
No Sooner did the GREEDY come out to Create the “Walmart of Weed” scenario..then the Feds began PUSHING BACK HARD.
For me..as a Native of the Emerald Triangle..for me..the Son of the “Father Of Underground Comix” I grew up IN Marijuana Culture.
To Watch a handful of bureaucrats Hand over TOTAL CONTROL of a Currently PUBLIC RESOURCE..and Simultaneously DECAPITATE the RURAL LEFT..is Truly an Abject Lesson in the POWER OF GREED and the Ease with which even the “Left” can simply “DISMISS” their entire “Ideology” in the Face of “Allot Of Money”.
Fact is..”Recreational Legalization” is a MYTH.
Simply Put:
CAN YOU SAY “PSYCHOACTIVE 2ND HAND SMOKE”?
CAN YOU SAY “THIS AIN’T AMSTERDAM..ITS A HYPER-LITIGIOUS NATION RUN BY INSURANCE COMPANIES WHO WIL NEVER..EVER..ALLOW ‘LOCAL PARKS’ AND ‘LOCAL GOVERNMENTS’ TO “GET OFF CHEAP” IF THE USE OF A JUDGMENT IMPAIRING SUBSTANCE IS ALLOWED IN PUBLIC IN THE PRESENCE OF MINORS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC?”
It will NEVER happen.
This is the Reality behind SO much of the LOSS of Support for “Legalization”. The Simple “OBVIOUSNESS” of the GREED that is in fact the Motivating Factor for Everyone from “Norml” to the Local “City Council” members in Oakland Promised what amount to BRIBES to “Hand Over TOTAL Control To A Few People”.
I realize many of you are the same people who now support “Humanitarian Bombing” in Libya..but you see..just because YOU can Rationalize and Deny REALITY..doesn’t make it a “Selling Point” for everyone else.
We SEE THROUGH the Blatant Hypocrisy and the GREED.
You have CRIPPLED the Rural Left in your Race to PRIVATIZE marijuana Production.
You have DESTROYED the LAST..Post Logging..Post Fishing..Post Housing COTTAGE INDUSTRY in Rural California.
You CANNOT..”REPLACE” Hundreds of Thousands of INDEPENDENT “Volunteers” Growing in their Basements with a FRACTION of their Numbers in “Corporate Style Grows” and..COME OUT AHEAD!
Thats a TAX BURDEN..not a TAX “BENEFIT”.
Your Naivete and TOTAL lack of “Street Smarts”..is the Ultimate and FINAL “Reason Why” this will..in ANY EVENT..be a FAILURE.
Oh..Hey..I BELIEVE you’ll succeed in handing TOTAL CONTROL to a FEW PEOPLE..yes..I think you will “SUCCEED”.
But the “Success” will last ONLY as long as it takes for the FIRST LAWSUITS to come along..and for the “PONY-TAIL DRUG WAR”..or DRUG WAR 2.0..to RUIN the “Local Economies” that are RIGHT NOW totally Dependent upon INDEPENDENT MARIJUANA CULTIVATION.
As these “policy Makers” whoa re oh-so-coincidentally ALWAYS “part Of A Collective”..oops..CARTEL..making the “NEW RULES”..and demanding as they are in Humboldt County that for EXAMPLE..”Growers VOLUNTARILY Surrender their 4th and 5th amendment rights and allow ‘Inspections’..” I mean WHAT?
If “Men With Guns” could not Compel us to “Surrender”..what makes you think Utter Naivete and ‘Good Intentions’ will work?
IT WON’T!
In fact the “Invisible CRASH” is ongoing at this very moment..as the Economy COLLAPSES as a DIRECT RESULT of CONSOLIDATED GREED.
Yeah..”Norml” is so far off that what I hear these days is UNIVERSAL CONTEMPT for the “Group” from the very people who used to be brave supporters.
Greed is TRANSPARENT!
Wake Up.
If you continue to Push for PRIVATIZATION and camouflage it as “Legalization” the Fds WILL NOT ACCEPT that. Its PUSHY and Greedy and ULTIMATELY? TOTALLY UNNECESSARY.
But…I realize this is your “Job”..being a “Policy Group”..it does not matter if the “Policy Works”..that is NOT the “Idea”.
So..Break the Current System even though it WORKS.
Yeah..make certain a FEW people have TOTAL CONTROL..I mean that doesn’t even WORK ON “PAPER”..let alone in “REALITY”.
But again..we now live with a Cubicle Left ENSCONCED in Denial and Rationalization.
Claiming to Despise Torture and War yet FINANCING it!
Yeah..Live The Lie..that’ll “Work”!
No..it WON’T!
Now..go ahead and Censor me..its not as if we “Want” all the “Voices”..that would be “Counter-Productive” to the LIE!
[Russ responds: THANK you for your “comment”..we are VERY interested in your “opinions” and hope you will SPEND MORE of your time Composing Anti-“norml” “comments” on the “norml” BLOG sometime soon..it means you’re not EMBARRASSING the rest of us in “public” somewhere..]
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Congressman Dingallberry is a Monsanto stooge/puppet. Monsanto produces GMO seeds. No more organic seeds – no more organic food! S510 obstructs organic seed. “Cannabis is an organic seed.” The Bill has a “Right to Inspect Clause.” The feds “inspecting your home grow” – wouldn’t that create an interesting outcome. The pieces of the zigsaw puzzle are starting to fall into place. Every angle is being covered. It seems – there is an orchestrated network developing, and everybody is playing their part. “No home grow” legislation is being pushed in all 50 – even Compassionate Use states, the feds are cracking down on state sovereignty with “federal law” and the Government Supremacy Clause. They’re nipping every bud off – soon nothing will remain – and – we will have nothing! They can even control the hemp market.
Have a great Communion
93. KJ
There’s nothing at all “unfortunate” about the negative comments made against Obama. I don’t even know what they were – nor do I care. “This was the way individuals felt,” and I’m sure, still do. You “CAN” criticize any one in this country. The comments may very well reflect ignorance – but – it sure feels good to get that ignorance off one’s chest – especially when that ignorance is true. Especially when the names and the incidents have been changed to protect the guilty. Yes – you feel strongly about Obama – but – do you really think he was flack free.
As far as state sovereignty is concerned The Constitution and the Supreme Court recognize state sovereignty – and – there is no conflicting interests. The state has the sovereign right to control substances within that state. The state will not enforce federal law.
Your absolutely right! – the best place to start is with one’s state representative – and – that’s exactly where we intend to be 4-20 @4:20. Hope to see you there.
#93 KJ,
I have been lobbying my so-called “representatives”, at both State and federal levels, on this issue for more than 35 years. They seldom respond, and the few responses have always been pretty much “thanks, but kiss off, we aren’t changing anything” couched in politically neutral phrasing.
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result, well I think a lot of us who’ve been insane concerning this issue have suddenly become very sane and have realized we need to do something drastically different, something more, because contacting the sold out ****** is government hasn’t worked in the past, isn’t working now, and will never work in the future. If nothing else, that fact is eminently clear.
So what do we do, well there are the 5 things David762 suggested, and there is one more, the individual States must repeal all criminal and civil penalties associated with any aspect of the cannabis trade for anyone 18 or older, just as WA’s I-1149 will do. Each State has its own methods of getting a law passed, but State citizens need to force the issue in States that have the initiative process, as WA does. Once a sufficient number of States have done this, the federal law will have to change, it’s one of the Constitutionally legal ways to change the federal government.
And someone up the line is correct, the federal government does NOT have the necessary (legitimate) Constitutional power to get itself involved in ANY way in State laws, nor may it force the States to enforce its laws within the boundaries of the State.
The drug czar visiting various States which are considering MMJ and legalization, and lobbying the media, any member of the State government, or the citizens in groups is absolutely unconstitutional, and he should be booed every time he tries this in future. And citizens of States where this has occurred should bring lawsuits against the czar, the ONDCP, and the administration for that breach of the Constitution (which is a legal and binding contract between the People, the States, and the federal government).
ARE YOU READY!!! – TOMORROW IS 4-20 @ 4:20
But – before we go – here’s a direct criticism of prohibitionists:
This government is huge and powerful. It not only controls itself – but – influences many other countries in the world. This government makes laws to control itself and its citizenry – and – maintains a military and police state to protect itself. This government has developed a huge propaganda machine to manipulate and ward off anything that opposes its laws and opinions – and – are quite proficient and effective at “spinning” its agenda. “This government protects government” – with no concern for protecting its citizens – only controlling them.
So! here’s the bottom line. Although prohibs have all this power behind them, they are, each one of them, still only one individual -“one little fish” in a sea of fishes – and – they can be caught – and – caught they are going to be in the next election. If they don’t believe this – they can “Take a poll!” We are electorially trolling for them – chumming the waters with bait – take the hook little fishie – come on, splash so we can see ya – you’re going to be lunch in the upcoming elections – “The real meal deal.”
We’re comin’ to ask you one question – and – we’re going to get a simple “yes or no” answer. “Are you – or – are you not a prohibitionist?” The bird is your hands.
Perhaps I am confused.
I was under the impression that this was still a constitutional republic under the rule of law established by the USA Constitution with a Bill of Rights, based upon English common law which stretches back nearly 800 years to the Magna Carta. Did I miss a memo, or perhaps an Executive Order (from that dictatorial all-powerful “Unitary Executive”)?
IIRC, Alcohol Prohibition was passed by a number of Municipalities, Counties, and States long before the Eighteenth Amendment was passed by Congress, and subsequently approved by the required 2/3rds majority of the States. From 1920 until 1933, Alcohol Prohibition was the law of the land. Yet there were a number of States which, prior to the 1933 passage of the Twenty-First Amendment repealing Alcohol Prohibition, opted out (early) from enforcing this law. AFAIK, these States were not punished by the Federal government — their independence was instead respected.
How was a State’s electing to opt out of Alcohol Prohibition somehow less meaningful in the era of Alcohol Prohibition, under the color of a USA Constitutional Amendment, than opting out of Marijuana Prohibition about 80 years later, covered merely by Congressional legislation, namely the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 (which had little to do with taxes) and the Controlled Substances Act of 1970?
What such dramatic shift of power and sovereignty away from the individual State governments to the Federal government in the past 80 years occurred, which would defy and deny those rights as delineated in the 9th and 10th Amendments to the USA Constitution? Such an event should have been a notable, even remarkable milestone in American history not seen since Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War and the passage of the Posse Comitatus Act.
Perhaps those legislatures and governors of States that seek to liberalize the Prohibition of Marijuana, either through Medical Marijuana, cannabis decriminalization or re-legalization laws need to grow a spine as well as a pair of gonads. Pass the liberalization laws as you see fit to meet the needs of your citizens, as guaranteed under the USA Constitution to sovereign States, but add a twist or two — make it illegal for any State employee elected or appointed to assist in any way Federal agents or employees in the application of Federal laws in conflict with State laws. An additional State sovereign enhancement might be to make illegal any action of Federal agents or employees to enforce Federal laws in conflict with State laws, under threat of steep fines and lengthy prison terms. What would the Federal government dare to do in response, perhaps declare martial law and invade that State with Federal troops?
I would think that the very last thing that a sitting President seeking reelection would want to do is force a Constitutional crisis over State’s Rights versus the more limited and enumerated Federal Rights. It would expose for all to see what I suspect is a Banana Republic tin-horn dictator with fascistic tendencies sitting in the Oval Office, instead of a former Constitutional Law Scholar with recessive populist small “d” democratic tendencies. President Barack “Hoover” Obama would face a Democratic Primary challenger and lose, or cast the Democratic Party into the political wilderness for a generation or so. Third Parties, or new political parties, have been thrust into power with less advantage given.
Cops got to have that overtime check!
Banks got to have that drug money!
Pharma got to sell those pharmaceuticals!
Politicians got to get that corporate re-election!
Churches got to push that oppression!
Defense got to keep them soldiers angry!
All got to keep your mind where it is, lest they loose it all!
This article has left me absolutely aggravated! Why is the governor backing down from what the people of his state want? Gregoire needs to sign it because it is his state’s right to disagree with Federal law, just as stated by David762 in comment 101 above. He said it well. We all have a right to stand up to the Federal government on this, every state!
HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT – “THE PLAN.”.
1. DEA-FDA reschedules whole plant material extracts to schedule III [federally legal] leaving the whole plant material in schedule I [federally illegal].
2. DEA Memorandum 02.01.11. Government Intimidation [DOJ] – enforce federal law on state sovereignty through Government Supremacy Clause. Dispensary raids [including threats of asset forfeiture to landlords].
3. “No Home Grow” legislation in all 50 states [including compassionate use states].
4. S-510 – no organic seeds, only GMO’s – Inspection Clause. No imported seeds.
5. What am I missing here? More to come.
Question: Are all of these actions inescapably married to one another? One thing is fairly evident – they don’t want to aid the economy with revenues derived from legalization. It appears – they intentionally want to kill the economy. It appears that the real motive behind all of this chicanery is to “defeat state sovereignty.”
Point: Once you extract THC [which has been federally legal since Merinol] from the whole plant material – what do you have left? Conclusion: What is left is a “harmless non-psychoactive plant – the most nutritious complete natural food known to man.” that should not be on any scheduled substance list – not any more than any vegetable. This only confirms the fact that the FDA doesn’t know a food from a drug – or – their ass from a hole in the ground.
Point: A line has been drawn in the sand.
Question: Which side are you on. Make your choice.
“State employees who conducted activities mandated by the Washington legislative proposals would not be immune from liability under the Controlled Substances Act.”–Change the CSA so that any State that Legalizes Medical Cannabis will not be breaking the law. That’s a no brainer. But we all know the U.S. Federal Gov’t does not want Medical Cannabis available to its citizens. Even though there is concrete evidence that Cannabis KILLS CANCER CELLS. Of this there is no doubt. So draw your own conclusions as to why the U.S. ignores modern day Medical Science in favor of there arbitrary decision to keep Cannabis in Schedule I. It is not a mistake that you cannot sue the federal Gov’t regarding Safe & Legal access to Medical Cannabis. They new Cannabis Kills Cancer working in conjunction with the Human Endocannabinoid System. Our bodies, as do all other multi-cellular organisms, evolved the Endocannabinoid System 50,000,000 years ago to protect the body from toxins encountered in daily life. This is why there are so many people dieing from cancer, the Federal Gov’t is well aware of the Cancer Killing effects of Cannabis. Which is why they do not want people to have access to this extremely therapeutic substance. It would mean a big financial loss for Big Pharma, doctor & hospital visits and for those heavily invested in such things.
Soon and someday, all those drug cops, will be hunted down like common Nazis, Happy 4:20
They’re trying to get the states and cities to pass laws/ordinances that require extensive record keeping, so they can do the footwork for the case for the feds, and just turn it over when it’s ready to be hauled off for trial!
http://annarbor.com/news/marijuana-advocates-call-for-firing-of-ann-arbor-city-attorney-during-protest-in-front-of-city-hall/
That’s about the one in Ann Arbor. A very liberal town, about to vote on a conservative, restrictive ordinance that would require CAREGIVERS to submit to zoning and licensing restrictions, pay fees, submit to regular police inspections, and more! (Vote up good comments if you have the time, I’m sure the council keeps an eye on local news voting).
United States of Fascism and Tyranny. Know what really needs to be done? It’s our right to overthrow unjust governments. Why aren’t we overthrowing our government?
They need to STOP BULLYING SICK PEOPLE AND GO GET AMERICAS ECONOMICAL BALANCE BACK FROM COLUMBIA THIS IS THE BALANCE THAT AMERICA NEEDED TO FALL BACK ON AFTER THE WAR IN IRAC INSTEAD YOU HAVE 20,000 TO 1.2 MILLION PEOPLE PER METRO CITY THAT HAVE NO JOB BUT A 700 TO 7000 DOLLAR A DAY COCAINE HABIT THEY ARE TRYING TO FILL
This issue is a simple one, really. Tell EVERYONE you know on ALL of your social networks, I mean EVERYONE.
When elections time rolls around, the problems will be corrected inevitably.
As the song goes: Money ,Money ,moneeeee. !!!!!
CDXX Communion 04.22.11
“The Reformation”
“Problems corrected inevitably at the polls.”
We can whole-heartedly believe in that – but – inevitably is down the road. We intend to plant our seeds today. The problem lies at the feet of prohibitionists – not Genesists. We stand, and defend our religious liberty guaranteed us in the “Establishment Clause” in the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America. We’ve been down that road – and – well! – “Been there – done that.”
“We will have our Sacrament – make no mistake about that!”
Genesists declare a “Conscience Clause” forbidding us from obeying any law that “prohibits our Sacrament.” And – although prohibs have already heard us say “prohibit our Sacrament” a million times – they’re going to hear it a million times again.
So vote for Ron Paul, he will help restore civil liberties, and get the FED out of our lives.
TO: #104 — The American Genesist Says
Your points 1 – 4 are not missing the mark.
The Corporate Oligarchy and their political stooges in the USA Congress and Executive Branch are working on the end-game of their plan for total domination of the economy and the subjugation of We the People. Government, all government, will be By the Corporation, For the Corporation, Of the Corporation.
The insane continuation of cannabis prohibition and S-510 are both “canaries in the coal mine” to these Fascists’ “Big Plan” — total control of all foods, all nutritional supplements, all herbal remedies, all medicines are only part of the equation of their greed for total control.
Trillions of dollars worth of future taxpayer debt has been channelled into the Too Big To Fail Banks, the Wall Street Mobsters, and crony corporate special interests. None of that money is going toward easing the real credit crisis in Main Street USA. The Fed Reserve has set the interest rates so low that all fungible funds are channelled into Wall Street and commodities futures — a thoroughly rigged game that is preparing for another contrived crisis to pop that bubble and “shear the sheeple”.
This contrived Main Street USA credit crisis is intended to force the Federal and all State governments into dramatic and far-reaching privatization, not unlike what the Big Bankers, Wall Street Mobsters, and faux credit-rating agencies have been doing to other entire countries for decades. (Read Naomi Kline’s “Shock Doctrine”). Public utilities become private; public roads become toll roads; farmers are forced into using sterile hybrid GMO seeds; even rainwater cisterns become illegal. The interlocking cabal of corporate special interests will control every aspect of human life, not just in the USA but across the entire planet. Their avarice and greed knows no boundaries.
With any luck, every one of these Fascists will eventually be hanging from lampposts, from New York City to New Delhi and from Washington DC to Washington State. Everyone have a good length of hemp rope handy?
The federal government is tasked with utilizing tax resources in a way which most effectively serves the taxpayers. Many medical marijuana dispensaries end up doing business in a way which subverts the federal government’s ability to do so. In Washington state, some so – called medical marijuana dispensaries operated like cartels in attempting to hold back the efforts to bring the entire market for “marijuana” in the state of Washington into the light. Sometimes so – called “medical marijuana” dispensaries have to be enforced upon in order to avoid taxpayer resources, which would be better used making certain that food, energy, and national security are adequate, being diverted by “marijuana” cartels to enforce their monopolies. There is no real justification for any restriction whatsoever on the cannabis plant, be it for use as hemp or as “marijuana”. The only entities backing restrictions and regulations regarding cannabis are the misinformed and those seeking to misuse taxpayer resources in constructing their own anti – free market monopolies. Rigged markets have no place in the United States economy. Rigged “marijuana” markets have a history of price gauging the consumer while providing a lower quality product than would be easily produced by the consumer themself. Only taking the profit out of “marijuana” will disincentivize the pushing of the substance on new consumers of various ages. While “marijuana” is relatively benign, the government would be making a dangerous mistake to incentivize the pushing of it because of the human and material resources expended in pushing it. Tremendous amounts of transportation resources are expended moving a product around which would very easily be produced at the very place of consumption. These transportation resources are meant to be used moving food, clothing, building materials, defense related items, etcetara to their necessary destinations. Needless restrictions for a plant as benign as “marijuana”, despite the decietful lies told by those at arm’s length of the cartels themselves, do nothing but make food, clothing, and security more difficult to obtain for the citizens of the United States and elsewhere. The unconstitutional prohibition regulation of cannabis could be likened to a bump in the road.