United States Supreme Court yesterday declined to review a lower court ruling upholding the federal government’s classification of cannabis as a Schedule I prohibited substance that lacks medical utility or adequate safety.
In January, the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that the US Drug Enforcement Administration had acted properly when it rejected an administrative petition calling for a scientific review of marijuana’s safety and therapeutic efficacy. Petitioners had requested a hearing to determine whether existing science contradicts the federal categorization of cannabis as a Schedule I controlled substance that possesses “a high potential for abuse;” “no currently accepted medical use in treatment;” and “a lack of accepted safety for the use of the drug … under medical supervision.” The DC Court of Appeals affirmed the DEA’s position that insufficient clinical studies exist to warrant a judicial review of cannabis’ federally prohibited status. On Monday, the US Supreme Court denied an appeal to review that decision, rejecting petitioners’ argument that adequate peer-reviewed studies already exist to sufficiently contradict the plant’s placement in Schedule I – the same classification as heroin and PCP.
The DEA’s stance willfully ignores volumes of scientific studies. For example, a 2012 review of FDA-approved clinical trials assessing the safety and therapeutic efficacy of cannabis, published in The Open Neurology Journal, concluded: “Based on evidence currently available the Schedule I classification [of marijuana] is not tenable; it is not accurate that cannabis has no medical value, or that information on safety is lacking.”
The case is Americans for Safe Access et al. v. Drug Enforcement Administration, case number 13-84, in the United State’s Supreme Court.
What a crock! Everyone knows that all the unbiased data supports legalization for marijuana, just like everyone knows (who bothers to read) that all unbiased data shows drug testing to be a scam. But then, with SCOTUS seriously considering extending Citizens United so that the rich can pretty much directly purchase the government, what do you expect? These bastards have a lot of money coming their way from those who profiteer from this failed war, and we need to keep up our momentum against them until they have no choice but to admit facts, in the face of an angry populace ready to feed their ugly asses to the guillotines!
Well, I still take heart in how fast they’re suddenly reforming drug laws and saying “oh, decriminalization, not legalization, is the ideal solution!” when only a few years ago all of those were off-the-table and non-negotiable. We’re winning, but they are going to dig in their heels. So we’re going to have to pull even harder! Authoritarians, especially rich and invested authoritarians, have to be beaten into submission and even then they will pretend it was their idea all along. In about ten years, these same charlatans will be insisting that legalization was totally their idea all along and that somehow we were the ones who were fighting it. Once enough states have gotten on board, there’s going to be nothing for these crybabies to dig their heels into, and that will be sweet.
But right now, you have no idea how much I’d love to smack these bastards square in their faces for this ruling based entirely on deliberate lies and willful ignorance of the facts, if only on behalf of all the people who are suffering, either from disease or in jail, because of their moneymaking authoritarian scheme here.
What was the vote to not uphold or hear the vase?
[Paul Armentano responds: The court denied a petition for a writ of certiorari from petitioners, who were seeking an appeal of the Januray 2013 DC Circuit Court of Appeals decision. SCOTUS actually reviews only a small percentage of lower court cases, so in many ways this denial — though disappointing — is not surprising. The DC Court of Appeals ruling, however, remains wholly disappointing.]
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This is outright unconstitutional.
I am not completely certain of the process for empowering individuals with a place in our highest court, but, we either need to do something about the process AND-THEN/or, we need to impact their standing so as to get them back in line with the will of the American people.
*shaking my head*
This… THIS is absurd.
The Supreme Court could care less if someone is thrown into jail. They are making money keeping marijuana illegal. I am so dissapointed in our government. Land of the free, no it is not. People do not want to break the law. But, keeping marijuana illegal is an unjust law. Some people don’t have years to wait for these morons to make it legal. They are heartless and beyond cruel .
We need to identify the empowering members of our elected officials which allow this blatant bullshit to continue, and hold them accountable, and make it clear that they need to get with the program, or find a new line of work.
RECALL IMPEACH OUST-THE-INCUMBENTS
whatever it takes.
Did the petitioners in their writ state that the government owns patents on cannabis as medecine?
More reinforcement that I won’t be alive to see legalization. Glad I wised up and quit smoking, as it’s not worth the legal troubles it’s caused me.
The Supremes do whatever the U.S. Politbureau wants. They’re simply functionaries. Just apply Soviet-style terms such as apparatchik, functionary, organ of the government, nomenclature, and so on. There’s just more on the shelves here, and the society is more open, however there is still a lot in common.
re: “What was the vote to not uphold or hear the vase?
[Paul Armentano responds: ‘… however, remains wholly disappointing.]'”
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Thanks for your additional information.
With that information available, I now ask,
what does this mean, then?
‘more of the same’?
or does this change the next step?
(such as an appeal would be in regular court proceedings)
If they won’t play nicely then the only answer is mass social disobedience. Riot!
Duh. This is a medicine in 20 states right. Has been for years.
So the Not Really Supreme Court supports non-constitutional law. Hmm…
What they seem to be saying, we’re not going knock down the schedule one system because there isn’t enough data about marijuana. This is nothing short of a bold faced lie.
Who cares what the govt has to say….
THIS is why lifetime judges are a bad idea… How long do we wait for the stupid justices to die to get justice and truth?
Im am so glad to hear that our supreme court is acting rational about clasifly this harmless medicine. member the commercials with the bag of weed and drops the floor and someone steps on it instead of pikcing it up. Whe i was little i thought that thing is the worst evils demonic bad thing. Now i have smoked weed the worse thign about weed is it illegal. it is medicine most plants come medicne it in medical books, it scniefi at university across the world has been proven it kills cancer cells on contact and hundred of other laments proven i science labs. DEA taught weed is so bad have they ever used it nope, if they did they wouldnt act like it somethign so bad as bad a herion and cocian no according to them worse.
” the same classification as heroin and PCP.”
BUNCH OF F**KING LIARS!
i thought the supreme court wouldn’t look at the DEAs believe it shouldn’t be a class 1 drug. or they denied to reavult the 1 schdleing drug under scientific study. in 5 yeas all the states will be legal in some way or another. Will our supreme court continue to go againt what a huge majority of americans want done? The national study said 82 percent want weed legal i thought this was deomacary why are they fighting the most logical answers get it scientificaly stuided and then make a decision. The demonizing is humorous they hae no idea what they are talking about.
The court’s decision and the DEA’S position on marijuana is a personal insult to me and millions of people who can benefit from it’s use.I am quadriplegic from a diving accident in 1969. I have severe muscle spasms that were treated with pills by my doctors for a couple years then i used alcohol for a couple years.BAD IDEA !! I found out marijuana was most effective in relieving my spasms and have used it for the past 40 years.The DEA’S position on marijuana is hard to believe. GOD.gave us a majical herb for doctors to treat many diseases and medical problems.Remember the most honorable JUDGE ANDREW YOUNG’S decision in 1987? Apparently not!! I am not just an anecdotal story. I am living proof of marijuana’s medical value The DEA’S position is hard to understand Wake up and smell the herbs!. Thank GOD for marijuana!! Ty David
Time to infinitely increase SPREAD OF THE TRUTH. STEAMROLL THEIR LIES. Share your Efficacy.
I saved my life with Hemp Food & Cannabis Medicine.
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are:
Government
Corporate
Religion
Academia
They all played their hands against Harmless Hemp Food & Fiber.
We now know who the players are that must be defeated. One only need look at the “R” family and their support let alone name on many University and College facilities. The have partners in EVERY Country on the planet.
Should a stray bit of lead projectile end that senility the World would become a brighter shinier place in an instant.
It is time for the TRUE CITIZENS UNITED!
John Hancock would make sure they all went to the guillotines! They keep it illegal to steal rights and things of value and get slave labor out of the people. Every time I hear a law enforcement agent say the war on drugs will never end I say to myself “what an ignorant asshole!” There is only lies from them. Cannabis has been proven over and over again to be a medical miracle.
How can they so blatantly deny the medical benefits of marijuana…it’s simply beyond and way past the most absurd point of ridiculousness that exists in the universe.
The conceptualization that marijuana usage is negative is a complete farce and will be exposed and seen for what it is once plastic government officials stop with their fake outrage about it.
You’re not offended, you don’t really care, so stop acting like it!
These people are the lowest of the low…they’re supporting a false, outdated ideology simply for the sake of keeping it going.
The concept is dead, the lie is obvious and everybody knows it.
It’s basically just a game now that they are playing.
Stop PRETENDING to be offended!
When we stubbornly refuse to at least consider science in any endeavor, we lesson our chances of success. Consider 400,000+ yearly deaths due to nicotine addiction. All illegal drugs combined cause 10,000 per year. Even if the War on Drugs had succeeded in creating a literally drug free America we would have gained very little.
I am very disappointed that we have idiots serving on the Supreme Court! If they actually did their jobs and did even basic research, marijuana would not be schedule 1. They are taking the DEA’s word for it and, God knows, the DEA has an agenda and it is not something that is good for America!
Until reading this, I didn’t realize that my opinion of our Govt and so-called Democracy could possibly get any lower! I find myself wondering who is really running this country. Perhaps the Nazi’s actually won after all and are in the highest places of power in our country…
The three branches of our federal government are putting up quite a fight against the American people. They are united against us.
As for me…they can go F*** themselves..I will continue to grow, smoke , eat or wipe my ass with marijuana….I never gave them the authority to control my life. And if everybody would just tell them to go F*** themselves they would not have enough jail space to hold all the innocent people.
ToPunish&Enslave should be written on all cop cars as below the police mustang from tansformers. That’s what this country truly is about.
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As many in our country suffer because of the Govt Shutdown, the DEA is still going strong.
Does that bother anyone out there? If so, go here to take action and to learn more about this insanity:
https://secure2.convio.net/dpa/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=1015&s_subsrc=HP
Seriously, their funding continues when death benefits have been suspended for the families of soldiers who die serving our country. It is just so disgusting to me that I could scream!
This is going nowhere. This drug is good but NOT completely safe. Ever hear of a bad trip? And everyone saying its completely safe and its an injustice is making it worse. I do want it legal, esp for sick people but I have had 2 bad life changing things happen to me from going off and going back on: suicidal thoughts and even much much worse being tempted by the bad side like Jesus did. Both turned out horribly and I wish they never happened. Ive overcome 1 and am making good progress on other and plan to overcome it completely. I dont mind weed becoming legal as I smoked it for 15 years and never had those problems. It should be like other drugs and say may cause suicidal thoughts or actions. I hope you dont act like NOTHING bad could happen cause it just seems wrong. I may probably smoke again but not until my heads in order. Set and setting
[Paul Armentano responds: Marijuana is not harmless and we do not claim that it is. No drug is. But drugs do not have to be deemed innocuous to be brought to the legal market. Rather, they have to pose some level of ‘relative safety.’ Typically, this judgement is reached by assessing the substance’s risk of dependence, risk of toxicity, and risk of overdose death. Judging cannabis by these specific criteria, it is evident that cannabis meets society’s accepted measures of relative safety and that cannabis measures up to be as safe if not objectively safer than most other therapeutics and/or intoxicants.]
We can file massive lawsuit against Supreme Court and the DEA. It never happen before, but this can happen. Just make them feel embarrassed.
Plus you can write many complaints as many as you can to American Bar Association into disbar all Judges from the Supreme Court.
That is all I can say.
The DEA and Supreme Court need to quit playing doctor and turn the drug class system over to medical professionals and researchers.
Sit tight. Within a decade a few things will happen – the opinion shift is accelerating toward legalization.
1) It will become feasible to have the law changed. When over half of the states have legalized medical cannabis, and over half the population live in states where “adult use” is legal, it’s conceivable that a future Congress will act.
2) As access becomes more widespread, both inside and outside the US, more peer-reviewed medical journals will appear – so that even the SC won’t be able to ignore it.
3) The DEA could push to reschedule it assuming the states that have legalized it do in fact effectively enforce their regulations.
Keep faith – keep persuading people – this is going the right way.
we need a new president and a new congress to undo cannabis prohibition. vote in 2014 & 2016.
Guess that only thing I can think is to wait until the prospect bill of H.R. 499… Bill of Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2013? If so… Government still does practice hypocrite and overly oppression over people and thing! Hope that group of BABY US Congress get it pass within 2013!
I think we can all agree that the only way to get something done “especially these days” is to do it ourselves. The voters/citizens/patriots in Wa and Co have already paved the way. More dominoes will fall, we have to keep our foot on the pedal and support initiatives/candidates that are for cannabis reform. Keep up the good work Norml, you’re at the forefront of this war.
Yes, we need a new President and Congress to make progress (seemingly, on anything).
It is hard to believe the Supreme Court could look at this 35 page document listing studies that have been done and claim there aren’t sufficient peer-reviewed studies. Sad. See: http://www.cannabis-med.org/studies.pdf
Now we can clearly see where corruption is taking place. I just don’t understand how no one has taken ground to get the facts across to the masses to demand change.
THE CLAIM THEY HAVE NO PROOF OF MEDICAL VALUE IS RIDICULOUS. FIRST OF ALL THEY FORBID RESEARCH BUT CONDUCTED SOME THEMSELVES. I AM SURE THESE CONCERNED RULERS WILL REVEL IN THE FACT THAT THEY CAN KEEP RUINING LIVES OVER NOTHING. I DO NOT GET HOW AMERICANS BELIEVE IN THIS FARSE OF A LEGAL SYSTEM. IT IS DESIGNED TO WORK AGAINST GOOD PEOPLE. NORMAL SHOULD COMPILE A LIST OF WHERE EACH POLITICIAN STANDS ON THIS SUBJECT SIMILAR TO THE NRA. I DO NOT BELIEVE THESE MORONS CAN STILL SELL THIS JUNK SCIENCE. INCOMPETENT LEADERSHIP IS THE NORM SO FIRE THESE GUYS.
Lost in all the hubbub, if I’m reading this correctly, is that it was the Obama administration that petitioned the court on this matter. If that’s indeed the case, then it’s at least one more good stroke for our cause. Perhaps Obama is gonna lay off Colo and Wash after all.
[Paul Armentano responds: You are not reading this correctly. It was the Obama administration that denied petitioners’ request for hearings. And it was the DC Court of Appeals that upheld the administration’s denial. And it was SCOTUS that let the DC Appellate ruling stand.
The petitioners in this matter were: http://www.drugscience.org/coalition_members.html
American Alliance for Medical Cannabis – http://www.letfreedomgrow.com
Americans for Safe Access – http://www.safeaccessnow.org
California NORML – http://www.canorml.org
Drug Policy Forum of Texas – http://www.dpft.org
High Times – http://www.hightimes.com
NORML – http://www.norml.com
Oakland Cannabis Buyers Cooperative – http://www.rxcbc.org
Patients Out of Time – http://www.medicalcannabis.com]
It will always be about the money. This is going to have to be a state by state effort and so far we are winning. It still needs to be rescheduled though. People are sick and dying and the power/wealth mongers in DC just don’t care.
@Geoff Breninwall: Yes, I’ve heard of “bad trips” but never on MJ–only on things like LSD or mushrooms or some other hallucinogenic. In fact, everyone I know who has done MJ gets irritated at cartoons depicting someone using MJ and going into virtual-reality land. And if you pay attention, no one has said it’s entirely harmless–though calling it “harmless” is easy shorthand, since most people consider alcohol and tobacco “harmless” and acceptable to be legal and they have been proven time and time again to be infinitely more harmful than marijuana. Calling it “mostly harmless” would merely place it in the minds of the population as having more harm than the commonly accepted as harmless alcohol and tobacco (and possibly get a laugh from the Hitchhiker reference). Hell, even eating at a restaurant is not really “harmless” considering there is always a chance you could get some foodborne illness or parasitic infestation, but no one would call eating at restaurants “mostly harmless”. You probably are in more danger driving your car to work than smoking MJ, but no one would call driving “mostly harmless” activity. It’s just day to day, the same way the look at alcohol and tobacco, and I’ll be damned if my effort to be EXACTLY precise in my terminology should give even a single benefit to the other side through psychological spin, especially considering that the failed Drug War AND most of it’s profiteers like the drug testing industry have been based entirely on lies, skewed data, and psychologically manipulating an ignorant populace.
The harm posed by marijuana is small and negligible, especially when compared to legal recreational drugs like alcohol and tobacco AND when compared to many prescription and OTC meds. That is what is meant when people use the shorthand “harmless” because, for all practical purposes, marijuana IS harmless.
Though I’m glad to hear you support legalization!
@Steve: Right on! That’s what I’ve been saying too! In another five years or so, the DEA and Supreme Court will be racing to reschedule marijauna into the same category as alcohol and tobacco, because they will be desperate to curtail what will eventually become a powerful force to eliminate the scheduling system altogether, just as they are racing to reform drug law and touting decriminalization in a vain effort to placate us and ward off the looming and inevitable legalization. Someday soon they will be rescheduling marijauna and BEGGING us to be happy with just that!
I have to chuckle because even denying the possibility of cannabis scheduling through peer-reviewed studies is a glaring admission that they fear the truth. Don’t you think they would want all the scrutiny possible to prove they are useful, good for something, with confidence? No?
That cannabis is schedule 1 is not the actual, core problem. The problem is the scheduling system itself, unscientific, intellectually dishonest, and useless in practical terms. That is, compare annual deaths from Tylenol and deaths from cannabis in 10,000 years.
Who cares what the Supreme Court says? As if they are ethically better than the other branches of government? As if they are better judges in medical cases than real experts?
They owe favors up the kazoo to people who got them their prestigious positions, or helped pay their way in by making promises to partisan members of the selection committee the invisible money powers.
The Anita Hill case should have been plenty of evidence, good reason to deny Clarence a seat. Her testimony was enough–that someone had enough courage to make sure a low-life degenerate in the OEO would not enter the highest court when his typical behavior included sexual harassment.
The next vetting of a SCOTUS nominee, I would rather hear hypothetical cases read and some demonstration of GOOD JUDGMENT instead of stupid question & answer sessions about their resumes.
The scheduling system itself is the problem.
Don’t take cannabis out of schedule I, let the states legalize it.
Then let’s reexamine the drug schedules, and the arbitrary definitions of each category, and the vague terms within a fraud of pretend science actually uses terms like “accepted’ medical use.” That could mean “accepted” by the same agencies that keep telling these lies.
There may be some checks and balances among the three branches of broken government, but where are the checks over the DEA, and the NIDA?
The NIDA approves federal funding of research of “drugs” (Nixon’s drugs), which seeks conclusions that “prove” harm done by drugs. They do not approve any grant proposals which may seek to demonstrate the benefits of substances like cannabis.
This means they are the antithesis of science. They start with a conclusion and look for evidence to “prove” what is merely proposition.
If Supreme pan pizza had allowed this case to be heard, it would drag in the NIDA and one of their officials would likely end up questioned about their methods and how their group manages to exist on tax waste, with no basis in science whatsoever, yet have the power to authorize or deny federally-funded research while allowing for a severely disproportionate ratio between objective studies vs. methodologically corrupt studies. Like that degenerate Harry Harlow who electrocuted dogs in order to “prove” something called “learned helplessness.”
Ronny Raygun said “marijuana might be the most dangerous drug ever” and that “it has been proven to kill brain cells.” Liar.
His speech writers were referring to a bogus, criminal study, asphyxiating rhesus monkeys with gas masks saturated with smoke, and so lack of oxygen, for hours. Then they claimed “brain damage” was caused by cannabis, not because they were deprived of oxygen for extended periods (which will kill brain cells and the brain during periods greater than a few minutes) were actually choked and tortured on purpose, to propagate a lie.
Some prohibitionists and drug war agencies still cite that fallacious and disgraceful lie.
The NIDA’s job is ensure biased, narrowly-imagined crap studies that do nothing but help justify paying these dirtclods for nothing.
IMO, this decision was made to protect NIDA, not the DEA.
NIDA might as well base their day-to-day operations on astrology, because they are not scientific, not even credible.
We need checks and balances over wasteful useless federal agencies FFS, not just the three branches. The fact that these groups are acknowledged as failures yet still exist, is puritanical hypocrisy and the reason for the term “stupid Americans.” And being an American, makes the injustice that much more absurd.
Stupid free-riders in Nixon’s drug war agencies are struggling to keep their jobs as liars and personal slaves to the oligarchs. Paid to lie and steal, sometimes murder, but hey, it’s “a job.” What a great story to tell the grandkids.
What day should we choose for our march to the White House? I am really really sick of their lies. Let us smoke our weed and give us liberty or give us…Lets get this thing organized. I already demonstrated on the front steps of Colorado Government, ready to take on the liars in the White house.
I’m going the shmi b’s of dri weather it’s allowed or not this is my medicine that I’m comfortable with. It helps with my tremors, anxiety, stress, vertigo, and depression. Wether I get drug tested or not.
Why don’t people force the DEA to admit that ‘marihuana’ is just a slang
term which is the racist label for the ‘other substance’ of Schedule 1?
As currently defined, cannabis is stated as the plant part of marijuana,
while THC is the unstated drug of concern in marijuana.
Calling marijuana a drug is just confusing, which is why the DEA keeps saying that.
The courts let them continue to do so, and we keep losing on appeal.
It is sad that all the hype is causing so much suffering for so many. Many dying patients could benefit from some of the most basic pain relief & anti nausea this plant offers. There is so much discussion about thr regulation & licensing. Basic foods do not usually need such regulation & licensing. Only large producers need such regulations. Home gardens should not be under any such restrictions. Many herbs can be harmful if misused – yet they are not considered schedule 1 substances. The most frightening thing is . . What will be illegal next, my organic tomatoes, yarrow, chamomile or lavender?? Time runs out & people suffer every day what will it take to stop the “spin” & get past this nonsense. MJ appears to be less harmful & less addictive than tobacco, but tobacco is not a schedule 1 substance- someone explain that one
@ Paul Armentano,
Thanks for enlightening me. I totally had it wrong. And I’m totally bummed to see the way the Obama adm, the DC court and Scotus played it out. Just when you think they’re starting to look like good guys . . .
@ Todd,
You left someone out of your axis of evil equation: big business. They’re just as bad if not more so. They care about only ONE thing: their profit margin.
The longer the feds hold out the more isolated they become from the real world.
And so the real world moves and changes even more and a paves the way for an inevitable collapse of the drug war when finally a real President is elected.
In another five years or so, the DEA and Supreme Court will be racing to reschedule marijauna into the same category as alcohol and tobacco
Alcohol and tobacco aren’t on the schedule.
Read http://tinyurl.com/1mn for the history of non-medicinal drug usage in the United States.
Um well who does the mafia own?
The supreme court is made up of people over 50 years old and mostly republican yet.
Would this not de-facto legalize it nationally since they refuse to look at it?
[Paul Armentano responds: SCOTUS denied an appeal to review the DC Court of Appeals court’s prior ruling upholding cannabis’ Schedule I status under federal law. Therefore, the lower court ruling stands.]
is anybody else seeing the writing on the wall yet? do you really think they’ll let the police smoke pot? or airline pilots? In Florida to work in a burrito shop you need to take a drug test. domestic violence is rampant and unstoppable but they won’t let the police or airline pilots beat their wives either.
I think the members of the court are old enough to have been exposed to early reefer madness. On top of that, they don’t have the intelligence to investigate what modern science and medical data have to say on the subject.
Me thinks it is time for them to be replaced with younger smarter folks who haven’t been brainwashed and who know better than to put their faith in the biggest failure in United States history – that being the DEA!
The U.S. Supreme court doesn’t want to get involved with the DEA’s Holy War on people who use Cannabis. It’s the Nixon’s sacred army with their own constitution, the Controlled Substance Act of 1970.
St. George Utah and Utah state police are super corrupt. They’ll follow out of state tags and search your vehicle without warrant and get away with it. Even if you have the cash to get out and get a lawyer it’s a up hill battle that state is super corrupt and violating constitutional rights. Their state police are getting away with murder literally.
He had time to grab a snack before running into two ladies and killing them.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/professional-courtesy-and-negligent-homicide/
‘The DC Court of Appeals affirmed the DEA’s position that insufficient clinical studies exist to warrant a judicial review of cannabis’ federally prohibited status.’
-There are insufficient clinical studies because its a Schedule 1 drug – that status prohibits it from being studied.
fuck them all
Shut Down The Government…Oh, never mind
This is incredible! North Korea, of all places, is showing more common sense regarding marijuana than America! It’s outrageous that the most brutal regime in the world is ahead of America on this issue; America being about as backwards as possible for the last several decades thanks to idiotic and/or paid off politicians…
Check it out…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/marijuana-in-north-korea_n_4067341.html
Since the DEA is a morphed department left over from alchohol prohibition, their indifference and control issues were brought along. Patients requesting assistance from their nation’s highest court will always fall under the large footprints of the healthcare industry and the law enforcement organizations who do not want patients to have rights over their own bodies…just look at abortion in this nation. We have taken a step backward when a woman is no longer to have control over her reproductive system once fertilization happens. Men loose their rights over their deposits once they are made, not just opening the door for more control over women.
Romney lost the Presidential election because of his smelly anti-medical marijuana stance. When well over 70% of Americans agree medical marijuana should be legal, its going to be harder for politicians to be against it. Keep supporting groups like Norml that are educating the people on this issue, and vote for pro-medical marijuana politicians. In the meantime I’m sure Big-Pharma, their whore lobbyists, their whore politicians, their whore attorneys, their whore judges, and all the bastards in the prison industry who keep lining their pockets on behalf of the American Citizenry are celebrating this decision to keep medical-marijuana a schedule 1 drug.
where the hell is we the people
dear Scott.. you were on a roll there until your last line.. they don’t “let” anyone beat their wives… Also, I will add to your point that alcohol takes longer to effect, however, you can consume alcohol at a much higher rate, its effect is intensified with more servings, and it debilitates people to the point that they can cause death or die themselves.
I think these people are so old fashion that they will never change.It has been proven that marihuana can be used for medical purposes and they need to get rid of these old farts because they are so ignorant that they can not change.If it is ever going to be legal they must replace these morons.they here drugs and they think it is bad.What about morphine and those kind of drugs that they make money from the pharmaceutical companies that pay the government and the doctors do not even tell you or know the side effects.They are just a bunch of idiots collecting high salaries off our tax money.they need to all go away!
The SCOTUS denies an appeal to reclassify cannabis to a lesser scheduled drug thereby maintaining that it has no medicinal qualities and yet the US owns Patent No. 6,630,507 Cannabinoids as Antioxidants and Neuroprotectants. hmmmmm I wonder who the SC justices are really working for.
I could not agree more with Keith who commented:
“There are insufficient clinical studies because its a Schedule 1 drug – that status prohibits it from being studied.”
Its official this country has gone to shit. Does anyone really believe the sur. Court. Congress, orr any of the 4 corrupted branches of government. Who stands to profit from ahca- aka Obama Care? Not the american people! Who stands to continue to profit from not passing obama care? Big pharma, medical billing companies.
Same for marijuana, who stands to loose the most from legalizing marijuana? The goverment! All the money set aside for the failed drug war would no longer be nessasary, all the agencys that benefit from the BILLIONS being thrown at this faied drugswar, these companies will be out of buisness. Reason why is marijuana has become the center point of the war on drugs, although PROVEN not harm full, the corrupt fuckers in this government REFUSE to dislodge their heads from their ass and listen to the will of the american people. Now all their childish behavior we have a split government that shut itself down. And the only people suffering is US the AMERICAN peoplaThats all…. just us. Let’s bend over america and continue our fucking we have come acustom to .lets continue to pay for the failed war on drugs, outrageous medical cost, let’s continue to follow a small group of idiots leading us sheep into the unknown, unfunded, unfounded life of the new american dream/ nightmare. We need to take some notes from the people of Egypt, and overthrow this congress, government.
I would like to add, when the truth prevails, a few billion dollars of restitution from the US government to the millions whose lives have been damaged by the false, malicious and idiotic policy toward this tonic herb.
The next petition I’d like to see submitted to the DEA is for the inclusion of alcohol as a schedule 1 controlled substance. SERIOUSLY! I think it would be very enlightening to all sides of the mmj issue to see the DEA defend the safety and medicinal uses of alcohol. What exactly does it take to submit a rescheduling petition? Can anybody do it, or do you need standing?
Has any of these morons on the Supreme Court ever heard of ISRAEL and their 30+ years of cannabis studies and application??
Surely, they have heard of Israel, we only send them Billions of Dollars in aid every year. People dont talk about that WELFARE case. But thats another story. I would absolutely LOVE to ask the panel who decided against reclassifying cannabis this: If the mythical studies you old folks are going by are correct and there is no medical value….THEN WHY IN THE LIVING PISS DID YOUR BOSS THE US GOVERNMENT PATENT THE ACTIVE INGREDIENT IN CANNABIS THAT HAS PROVEN TO TREAT 100’s of conditions in a natural and safe way, safer than any BIG PHARMA pill. Big Pharma is allowed to slowly kill human beings while torturing and maiming the lab animals they use to convince the joke called the FDA to allow their poison to be sold. I have a cousin who died of hepatatis, she stopped taking her pills because they made her feel worse, she was a 4.0 student, intelligent with a huge future and she couldnt take the side effects of the 13 pills she was taking. So she died. If cannabis ever proves to help hepatitis, well YOU ANTI-FOLKS WITH YOUR SPECIAL INTERESTS HAVE MY COUSINS BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS. WE WILL NEVER KNOW IF CANNABIS COULD HAVE MADE HER SUFFERING MORE TOLERABLE AND MAYBE EVEN HELPED CURE HER. IM GLAD SOMEDAY I WILL BE ABLE TO GO PISS ON THE GRAVES OF THESE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES UPLOAD IT ON YOUTUBE FOR THE WORLD TO SEE.
Everything bad in our government has been bought for and installed by manipulative assholes. We have regulations that are nearly universely ignored, while there are other like banning marijuana that grow into monsters of their own.
Why do with allow fracking, and this War on Marijuana. Both are nothing more than degradation of our environment. We have these stupid laws getting in the way of personal advancement while at the same time inflating the costs of health care because we insist on using dangerous chemicals to treat diseases when less dangerous chemicals are easily available in the form of marijuana. And simply banning thing that actually kill people by the thousands like transfats.
It is unconstitutional for the executive branch to ban transfats, even though they do kill thousands, if not ten of thousands of people each year. But somehow, it is “constitutional” for the executive to maintain their own for profit ban on marijuana. I don’t need to be judge to notice both things cannot be true, especially not at the same time.
All the Americans have is a Quasi Government run by Fascist Authoritarians.
NORML can you please begin the conversation of the possibility of orchestrating an occupy D.C movement. It is time for not only tens of thousands of patients and people who have been thrown in jail for marijuana, but for all of our other Americans who are forced to take dangerous pain pill’s DAILY, its time for our voices to be herd. Let’s march onto thelawns & steps of the white house, and DEMAND our freedom from this drug war, demand our freedom that what we do in the safety of our own home’s, is none of the government business, none of our employers business! We the people need to stand up and take government’s boot off out throat’s, and scream together NO MORE DRUG WAR!
It will be interesting to see what happens next year,if and when Sativex
by GW pharmaceuticals gets FDA approval for their product.As far as i read,they use the same basic chemical structures that are found in the plant form:THC,CBD1, CBD2..etc.I heard that it takes up to 12 billion dollars to develop and research a new pharmaceutical drug,so GW will probably have the funded research to back up their studies for the FDA .The thing is now days,laboratories can use gas chromatography/liquid chromatography to analyze any natural cannabis flower-strain, for different cannabinoid profiles,and are being used in California and Colorado for medical patients. So the day’s of saying “marijuana in its natural form are too unpredictable” are pretty much over,unless it continues to be motivated and kept underground for prohibition,and everything that entails>
@Paul
Gotcha. I just thought by them not doing their jobs and ignoring science, meant we could ignore the whole process of legalizing it and say “Hey, since you won’t listen to reason, then we won’t listen to your reasons either” and boom, legalized.
For example, if I sold you a car and said it was a 2006 model, and you got home and researched and found out it was actually a 2004 model and you tried to contact me about it but refused to listen, I’d get into trouble. They are saying they won’t look at this because (IDK WHY) and so shouldn’t they get into trouble for not looking at it at all?
I don’t think schedule 1 is specifically the problem. The entire scheduling system is the problem and a particular agency (NIDA).
Nixon created the Controlled Substance Act with AG John Mitchell after the Shafer Commission advised him cannabis should not carry a penalty for use and could possible treat or prevent tumors (cancer). They made up the scheduling system based on arbitrary and under-handed definitions like “accepted medical use.”
Guess what else Nixon created? The HMO. Listen to his oval office recordings. Nixon is recorded talking about this new scheme that will make certain people obscenely rich. One can almost hear the drool pooling on his desk while he rubs his hands in “fly preparing to eat” motion.
The HMO, or Health Management Organization, basically the very bad decision (even criminal) that privatized health care to the point that Hospitals and Insurance are in bed together with Pharma and the world’s “best” “most advanced” health care is inaccessible and overly priced.
Back to the CSA. Schedule 1 and the NIDA are chicken-and-egg situation. On one hand, NIDA’s most explicit mission is to allow “scientific studies” to receive federal funding if their grant proposal seeks to find the harm, not any benefits of drugs.
If there is no sufficient preponderance of scientific evidence as “clinical studies,” that is because that is NIDA’s primary job. Having created an agency that has the power to approve or shut down federally funded research. Federally funded research from unbiased researchers is how we get down to real answers. NIDA has prevented this, thus preventing “sufficient clinical evidence,” making it conveniently impossible to change the BS they keep parroting. Abolish the NIDA and let the National Science Foundation give authority to unbiased, and qualified people who were trained in science, not law school. Not long after, schedule 1 would be indefensible. Schedule 2 would also, by extension, follow the same dishonest, fallacious logic.
Any mention of the scheduling system is an appeal to false authority because every scheduling category contradicts the other ones. Some of the most dangerous pharma pills sit in schedule 3 or 4 even toxicity in these “lower priority” schedules could be 10,000-20,000 times more toxic than cannabis, based on LD-50 (lethal dose that kills 50% of test subjects) or therapeutic ratio (the closer to 1:1 or 1:1+ the closer you approach chemotherapeutic drugs, ie. so toxic it can kill you if you take it correctly).
Cannabis is not “harmless” because nothing is, but if there were any substance that won’t kill you directly, it’s cannabis, its LD-50 and therapeutic doses are almost irrelevant compared to other drugs, the toxic dose is astronomically high, hence, there are no reported cases of death caused directly by cannabis.
In this case of cannabis, “potential for abuse” does not even apply because 24/7 hour use (“abuse”) won’t kill, won’t lead to crippling withdrawal, won’t make you violent enough to seek out more. In fact you’ll probably live longer and happier because you’re finally getting what all our ancestors had as a dietary supplement, external cannabinoids that support our natural endogenous cannabinoids (critical in immune function and mood regulation), that sometimes we lack our own, due to stress, toxic air food water, “legal” alcohol drugs, “legal” tobacco drugs, “legal” pharma drugs.
If there aren’t very bad negative consequences of abuse with cannabis like with heroin-meth-crack, such that would require or “justify” imprisonment to protect people from themselves, what is the point?
Transparent corruption, huh?
I say it’s better to eliminate the scheduling itself, which people assume has some sort of meaning or is useful to people’s health. The FDA goes along with scheduling fraud too, but the scheduling system is not their invention, doesn’t even mention accepted standards like LD-50 and therapeutic ratio.
Let’s take a consensus, led by the Nat’l Science Foundation, from scientists, pharmacologists, academic physician/researchers (not on pharma payroll), what they think the scheduling system is good for. Speak up! Is it consistent? Does it make sense? Can they protect people from themselves at all times or claim that?
Wouldn’t it be humiliating for the Supreme 9 to actually have mass consensus glaring them down, from qualified people commissioned to consider the meaning of the scheduling system, and the intentional setup of NIDA to protect that system through bogus allegations from “cherry-picked” studies and thereby preventing unbiased research?
Maybe it’s time for them to “NIDA” a new job like embezzling Salvation Army or beating up little kids as schoolyard thugs It would be a step up from embarrassing “pretend science job.”
is it really shocking that the government wont allow cannabis in the court room?
so if the DEA is rented by the government as an agency…..then it must be for sale right?
Maybe our money should be pumped into buying the DEA from the broke government and regrouping it so cannabis isnt in there cross hairs.
all in all
most want to believe that cannabis will be on the legal aspect soon but the truth of it is, we may never see the truth about it because there is to much money to be made from keeping it illegal.
THey wont give up anything they can make money off of……..so either move where the laws are not so stiff or risk you and your family’s well being by wanting to use the earth in any manner that may or may not promote happiness……..the money to be made….lol….They have been making money and probably more keeping it illegal…..so
good luck to all……
As always
thanks for reading
chris
@Jeb – Well written my friend! I totally agree that the scheduling system the Govt decided to use is not only useless, it is downright harmful!!! Seriously, how incredibly stupid to have marijuana in the most serious category while people are free to use tobacco and alcohol and myriad drugs created by big pharma legally.
Sometimes it seems like the stupider someone is the more likely they are to get into a position of power! You mentioned Nixon and he is a perfect example of a jerky moron who became president. It boggles the mind…
Here is another example of an idiot rising to a position of power. The Governor of California believes in very harsh penalties for simple possession. He, in his infinite stupidity, vetoed a bill written by a Democrat and even supported by some Republicans, which aimed to give judges and District Attorneys the discretion to charge possession of small amounts of illicit drugs for personal use as a felony or a misdemeanor as the case warrants.
http://www.drugpolicy.org/news/2013/10/governor-brown-vetoes-bill-reduce-penalty-simple-drug-possession
I wonder if anyone will be stupid enough to ever vote for this guy again… Unbelievable!
How many respected studies have proven the medicinal efficacy of cannabis?
How many patented aspects of cannabinoids are there?
Why the fuck are these bureaucratic whores selling the American people short? What mind-numbing substances do these people intake that renders their judgement so stubbornly ridiculous?!
to our ‘leaders’:
STOP HUFFING AND DO SOME LEGITIMATE RESEARCH.
“There aren’t enough trials? Well, then can we conduct some more.”
DEA: No, we refuse to be proven wrong.
“Can you prove yourself right, then?”
DEA: Hell no, we’d fail trying. If we’re not wrong, then by default, we’re right.
“So what about the third of US-States that recognize its benefits, not to mention the thousands of patients whose mere-existence after having cancer pretty much means there’s some benefit.”
DEA: What about em? We don’t give a fuck. We’re the DEA. Think Capone, but more drunk on power than he ever was on alcohol.
If you want to know why all cannabis is, and will continue to be illegal just look at Dupont Chemical Corp., and William Randolph Hearst. Putting the hemp industry out of business eliminated all of their competition in the biofuel, industrial lubricant, and fiber industries. It happened in 1937 at the height of the depression when no one was minding the store. Billionaires deciding the fate of poor people all over the world, sound familiar, this stuff never ends, and I really don’t see congress or the supreme court waking up any time soon, as long as old conservative geezers dictate policy to the younger more advanced generations there is no hope. Good, and natural medicines and industrial products will be crushed and outlawed while poisons abound, and are not even regulated by the government. If you sell legal Cannabis in Colorado or Washington state it must be packaged in a child-proof container, it must be tracked from seed to harvest to sale, it must be tested for potency and consistency, all at a cost to the producer’s and retailers, however if you invent a new industrial chemical, and patent it with the federal govt. you have no obligation whatsoever to insure that exposure to this new chemical will not harm humans or the environment. None, nothing, nada!!!! Free passes anyone,…. anyone… The petrochemical industry owns the world, all the crooked politicians, and all the law enforcement agencies, and judges bow to their superiority whether they like it or not. I’m sure many on the supreme court see the ridiculousness of the DEA policies, but they are powerless to do anything about it for fear of their own demise. Sad but true state of affairs.
[Editor’s note: Well…not quite. There was no great conspiracy by American industrialists like DuPont and Hearst, aided and abetted by a government technocrat named Anslinger, to make cannabis and/or hemp illegal.
Cannabis was largely made illegal a few decades before Anslinger’s arrival on the scene because of ignorance, ethnocentrism and overzealous law enforcement–not a grand hemp conspiracy.
Documented information of the actual history of cannabis laws in America, notably in California, are found here.
http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/pot/blunderof37.html
great article if you want to know why hemp is illegal
[Editor’s note: Well…not quite. There was no great conspiracy by American industrialists like DuPont and Hearst, aided and abetted by a government technocrat named Anslinger, to make cannabis and/or hemp illegal.
Cannabis was largely made illegal a few decades before Anslinger’s arrival on the scene because of ignorance, ethnocentrism and overzealous law enforcement–not a grand hemp conspiracy.
Documented information of the actual history of cannabis laws in America, notably in California, are found here.
Tell The Fed’s to F off. With the DEA and NSA working together all they are doing is entrapping people. Fascist Authoritarians Control Freaks. The Supreme Court won’t reclassify Marijuana. This shows that we have a Quasi American Government. You’ll be living in hiding and controlled all your life from these assholes. How many of you don’t think that your Medical Marijuana Records haven’t been Hack By The DEA and NSA
Technically the catch-22 of insufficient research violates the 1st Amendment since we are trying to redress a grievance:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
But, this administration doesn’t feel bound by the Bill of Rights.
Yeah, I think we should vote the supreme court out and get someone who’s actually reasonable and level headed in there!
Oh wait, that’s right, we can’t. They’re in for life, no matter how blatantly wrong what they do is. So much for separation of power or the will of the people…
re: Todd says:
October 17, 2013 at 8:46 am
“Technically,
the catch-22 of insufficient research violates the 1st Amendment
since we are trying to redress a grievance.”
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You are correct, sir. Well played.
Now, how do we go about filing a formal grievance?
If we already have taken said steps to file an effective ‘grievance’, then how can we get them to label it as such?
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Apparently the judge,did no research as there are,many International studies available on the subject,proving medical affectiveness of this plant.Shame on him,or her.
Everybody calm down and smoke a bowl. The Supreme Court is pro-cannabis, but they are against making decisions that are being battled out within the States. The Supreme Court policy is to not get in the way of the States from determining our own interpretions of Constitutional law. That is why they refused this case. Cannabis regulation began and will end within local governments; the prohibitionist Feds will be the last to go; but be patient; they will go if that is the exercised will of the people. That is the way our democracy works. Keep calling and donating. It’s working.
As for the “editor’s note,” about “There was no great conspiracy by American industrialists like DuPont and Hearst, aided and abetted by a government technocrat named Anslinger, to make cannabis and/or hemp illegal.” Mr. Armentano, I fear you are entertaining an “either or” debate when the answer is “both and more.”
Hemp will not steal the “green light” from NORML, and I hope we are not “green with envy” over whether hemp or marijuana gets to break cannabis prohibition at the Federal level.
Check out hempcar.org. There were real reasons to supress hemp cultivation involving the price of crude oil, plastics, nylon celullose ethanol and the list goes on.
At the same time, you are correct that there was a national ignorance over cannabis going on 100 years ago that remains prevalent within American culture today.
Both causes for prohibition are real. Not one or the other.
But to deny a hemp/marijuana conspiracy among early corporations? Then who campaigned against the “Hemp for Victory campaign?” As your link suggests, why invest in prohibition in states that previously had majorities in ignorance of cannabis if not to control the price of renewable cannabis oil, pharmacy, fuel, food and fiber before it could be established?
With a Hemp Research Amendment pending in the Farm Bill that doesn’t even distinguish marijuana from hemp, I wonder if you are being surrepticious?
Wow I was just watching this documentary called Money & Medicine on Netflix.
There’s a statistic offered that is disheartening.
“Due to medical errors, drug interactions, and infections acquired during hospital treatment, medicine is the third largest cause of death in the US.”
Um. Wow. Something should be done maybe?
Medicine, as in the traditional hospital fare that is obscenely overpriced, which is meant to save and preserve life, is a leading cause of death and is bankrupting a country already on it’s toes about financial, banking crises?
So…imo the whole facade of concern the feds use, about protecting people from serious health concerns, through the use of the criminal court system.
3rd leading cause of death in the US. Hospital treatment.
And they put people in prison on charges where individuals make personal decisions that affect their own bodies, and they do so at their own peril. If we are responsible for the consequences of our choices, then why persecute and terrorize the citizenry, why create organized crime just to chase them?
That’s doing harm, not good.
Why is money is spent on the dragged war at all, when things are that broken due to corruption, greed.
I think the word i’m looking for here is priorities.
When the 3rd leading cause of death is hospital treatment (the opposite of getting better), things are bad
The US Federal Government patented cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants in US Patent #6630507; it mentions Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, stroke, neurological trauma, HIV dementia, and autoimmune disorders as conditions for which cannabinoids may be indicated, and though more research is needed to determine the proper doses, routes of administration, and profiles of active compounds (e.g. terpenes [like pinene, limonene, and myrcene], flavonoids [like apigenin], and cannabinoids [like CBD, THCV, CBN, and THC]), Cannabis may be indicated as a way to treat, prevent, and/or cure numerous other conditions, including cancers, organ damage and nausea induced by chemotherapy and radiation, chemotherapy resistance, diabetes and its complications, osteoporosis, exostosis, atherosclerosis, sepsis, reperfusion injury, obesity, microbial infections (including MRSA, brain-eating amoebae, and herpes), anxiety disorders (e.g. GAD, PTSD, and OCD), stroke damage, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, Tourette’s syndrome, epilepsy, autism, depression, insomnia, spasticity, dystonia, dyskinesia, acne, psoriasis, allergic contact dermatitis, pruritis, asthma, fibromyalgia, lupus, migraine, vascular dementia, chronic kidney disease, liver diseases, chronic pancreatitis, Crohn’s disease, colitis, IBS, Huntington’s disease, prion diseases, arthritis, MS, ALS, pain, GVHD, organ transplant rejection, sleep apnea, incontinence, and metabolic syndrome. Smoking Cannabis was found by UCLA researchers to not be linked with either lung cancer or COPD, but bronchitis was mentioned; if Cannabis were re-legalized, non-smoking methods for using it could be promoted (e.g. vapor and oral). Strains of Cannabis with low (or no) psych activity exist (e.g. CBD-rich) but Drug Prohibition hinders access to them. Cannabis has astounding medical potential beyond its psych activity. Even the worst effects of Cannabis are not as dangerous as the laws that ban it.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/PBSNewsHour August 23, 20…
If the fed and state LEOs were not stealing all their quarry has to fight in our legal system, there may have been a higher accumulation of legal data to mine, for a legal decision.
How long is it going to take before people realize that federal prohibition is illegal. The feds only have authority in interstate commerce as no drug in existence is comparable to Plutonium 239. The court will not hear challenges on prohibition or drug classification because they know the laws cannot stand the test of objective measure.
Do any of you want the Supreme court to hear the Cannabis reclassification issue if it results in the end of federal prohibition of all drugs (which it would)?
He’s ALIVE!!!! He’s alive!!!! NIXON STILL LIVES!
also widely unknown to most Americans Marijuana was Decriminalized in Seattle, Washington in 2003 by the passing of Prop 1, which placed Marijuana at the lowest priority for Police enforcement.
also for those wanting a great experience look into a trip to Seattle Area the 3rd weekend of August every year for the World’s Largest Pro Marijuana Gathering, The Seattle Hemp Fest!!
@bongstar420
Hell yes, I want the Supreme court to hear the Cannabis reclassification issue if it results in the end of federal prohibition of all drugs!!
Prohibition has already proven not to reduce access to any of the drugs people are freaked out about legalizing.
Prohibition in no way reduces chance of Over Dose from any drugs, it in my opinion increases risk of Over Dose, AIDS, and other diseases.
Simply, because under a regulated such as State Liquor Stores etc..
IV drug users could get new clean needles with each purchase.
The quality and risk of bad dope would be decreased under a State regulated structure.
Organized Street Gangs & Drug Cartels would be either out of business or forced to move into other occupations as well.
While Marijuana Legalization & Regulated Sales will reduce Crime, Drug Crime won’t be Cut completely unless all drugs are Legalized in small quantities, and sold in State Regulated Environments.
All the tax revenue, and reductions from legal costs and imprisonment of simple drug users. Would be simply amazing in it self.
It’s about time this nation increases investment in Education & Core Services we’ve neglected since The New Deal.
Instead of 800+ percent increases in Prison Facilities to house all those illegally imprisoned by This Unconstitutional War Against Our People.
Actually @bongstar420 Cannabis is a PLANT, It is not really a “drug” formulated and/or refined with chemical/synthetic substances (other than fertilizers used the same as any other plant/food crop, unless grown organic). So it Does NOT compare AT ALL with any other “drug” it is classified with or otherwise.
I just don’t understand these laws. I was recently charged with growing over 100 plants in NC. I’m was looking at a plea bargain of 12 months under state law now I’m looking at over ten years just because I had a hunting rifle my dad gave me when I was a kid. Which wasn’t loaded or had any bullets for. My dogs actually caught them in the bushes trespassing and they then searched my house with no warrant. I was incarcerated at 3:00 the search warrant was issued at 8:00. When they came to endite me federally they came back guns drawn threw me to the ground and treated me like I had just robbed a bank (I had just woke up). Then the same DEA officer called my dog to him an perseaded to try to hit him over the head with a baton. When I began to cus him out I told him I knew he was the asshole I had caught trespassing he laughed in my face and said try to prove that in court. Then they began to take everything I had ever owned ( truck, motorcycle, money for the second time from a legal job, dressers, radio, tables, even my bed). I’ve never done anything wrong other than having a DUI for being .01 over the legal limit. If this is federal justice then there is something wrong!!! I have no property left to sell for a lawyer and they took all my money. I am stuck with an appointed attorney who thinks what they did was right. Goodbye freedom goodbye family goodbye friends
I just don’t understand these laws. I was recently charged with growing over 100 plants in NC. I’m was looking at a plea bargain of 12 months under state law now I’m looking at over ten years just because I had a hunting rifle my dad gave me when I was a kid. Which wasn’t loaded or had any bullets for. My dogs actually caught them in the bushes trespassing and they then searched my house with no warrant. I was incarcerated at 3:00 the search warrant was issued at 8:00. When they came to endite me federally they came back guns drawn threw me to the ground and treated me like I had just robbed a bank (I had just woke up). Then the same DEA officer called my dog to him an perseaded to try to hit him over the head with a baton. When I began to cus him out I told him I knew he was the asshole I had caught trespassing he laughed in my face and said try to prove that in court. Then they began to take everything I had ever owned ( truck, motorcycle, money for the second time from a legal job, dressers, radio, tables, even my bed). I’ve never done anything wrong other than having a DUI for being .01 over the legal limit. If this is federal justice then there is something wrong!!! I have no property left to sell for a lawyer and they took all my money. I am stuck with an appointed attorney who thinks what they did was right. Goodbye freedom goodbye family goodbye friends….
Not the first time blind ignorance has called the shots. Human sacrifice , witch hunts , slavery , nazi germany. The list is endless .
My name is Jon Nardelli No spell check. I am the author of Health Food or Heroin. the main character Chucky Deangelo gets involved with a woman who is trying to get off heroin. when he meets her hes pretty much getting stonned on pot every day. he has no idea that shes struggling with heroin a horrible drug. he thinks shes a pot head like himself and pretty much right away they start smoking pot together. h or H is set in the dear departed late 1970s when a nickle bag of pot contained five joints. but to make the grass last Chuckie usually used his little one dollar pot pipe with the little screen in the pipe. chuckie could make that nickle last for almost a week. the first time Chuckie and Carmella got stoned together was on a bench in a wooded area off a street leading from Scarsdale to White plains. Carmella was a shade under five feet . Chuckie tall and slim and handsome was almost six feet. when they were standing and talking Chuckie would spread his legs wide so that they would be pretty much at eye level. the fact that C and c had sto feel like they were criminals because they loved getting high on marijuana together is a discrase. Its high time this country wakes up and decriminalizes pot. Yours Jon nardelli
Y’know, fairybird,
I just don’t think that was enough references. I mean, just what kind of a point are you trying to prove here? REALLY.
When people say “cannabis should be changed from schedule 1 or rescheduled,” sadly, they are speaking around the real problem, the drug schedule fraud invented by Nixon/Mitchell, totally arbitrary and non-scientific.
Worse, the scheduling system is implicitly given credibility (by appeal to authority, of the schedules) when people for legalization refer to a need for “rescheduling” of cannabis, aren’t they giving away a little legitimacy, unintentionally, to a what is not a system of drug safety but a list of punishments by severity, within an *imaginary BS* framework with arbitrary definitions (ambiguous law talk).
“Accepted medical use” is vague to a fault. Accepted by whom? In a third man scenario, supposedly some arbiter will step in and finally rule on acceptance or not of cannabis? ‘Accepted’ may as well be replaced with ‘approved.’ And this will happen…conveniently never….so the states will need to do it.
“Potential for abuse” is vague too. People can abuse anything. Joe Rogan suggested that one can abuse a box of doughnuts, one can jab a fork in their eye, sniff solvents, a zillion things one can do to earn a Darwin award, none of them involving (draconian) punishments for harming oneself. Potential for abuse should have strict, quantifiable figures to back it up. Tobacco cigarettes, supposedly ~10 times more addictive than heroin, is not even scheduled. Hmm. I’d say people who pick up the tobacco subscription continue to smoke tobacco daily, habitually, which is abuse since it’s so deadly, but the death is slow. And profitable.
No more schedule nonsense. Re-evaluate the drug schedules (SCOTUS, looking at you), and just put it to rest, chalked off as intellectual dishonesty to serve the agendas of invisible money powers. Nullify then move on.
My friend has enemy for what reason he done nothing to him. He called over and over again for years. He doesn’t own or is on the property but he called there may be crime on that hill. They entered and trespassed on the property. Chris the informant get to keep his identity secrete. Also he got worse charges then who he calling on but he get them dropped. He got illega shit in his house and guess what there secrete informant now going to call the cops and get his house searched. Karmas is real.
“I’d say people who pick up the tobacco subscription continue to smoke tobacco daily, habitually, which is abuse since it’s so deadly, but the death is slow. And profitable.”
I reread that and realized the tone sounded like blaming people for things they probably regret but just entered their lives, through commercial socialization.
Not meaning to sound grim, Dr. Melamede at the University of CO, Colorado Springs found that people who smoke cannabis have lower rates of lung cancer than people who smoke nothing at all. This points to the anti-tumor property attributed to cannabis, one of many therapeutic benefits the plant affords).
I used to smoke tobacco and I know the commercial products are tobacco leaves containing chemicals like accelerates to make them burn faster (so you have to buy more maybe), arsenic, lead 210(radioactive), nitrites, nitrates, and hundreds more. This is what they add intentionally to the shredded/ground tobacco leaves. Operative word is “intentionally.”
The definition of “tobacco” is indeed changed into “chemically treated tobacco.” Eh, minor detail. It seems unquestioned these days that they add bad things, but hey even the producers don’t go to prison for [alleged] intentional harm.
Those toxins would kill much quicker in larger dosages and the harm would be obvious. The smaller dosages are still toxic even iillness or death ensues immediately. Isn’t that wrong? Yes people buy them, but the companies market “tobacco” not “chemically coated tobacco.”
“Tobacco does not cause cancer” nevertheless there is an undeniable correlation between lung cancer and COPD, and tobacco use. Correlation, not “causation, is sufficient evidence.
Cannabis is often represented symbolically as a leaf, very distinguishable yet, people use the trichome rich unpollinated flowers, and toss the sun leaves. For cannabis, forget the adulterants, or additives at all, the idea is just stupid, a waste of good cannabis medicine.
No contaminants, adulterants, preservatives, accelerants, radioactive isotopes, are added to cannabis. The very thought is equal to “ruining perfectly good cannabis.” And there is no correlation between lung cancer and cannabis use.
One kills you slowly and the effect is enhanced with toxins they add for that purpose, to keep people smoking. Not quickly, but over many years of paying those sorts. It is legal to those over 18.
The other is medicine, relatively harmless as can be, according to the DEA (Francis Young spoke for all of them). But it could lead to prison, stigmatization, losing everything, even being killed.
The number of cigarette images or references in Disney movies numbers in the hundreds, maybe thousands? More than 5 is reckless, for Disney, rated G, portraying tobacco drugs meant specifically for a young impressionable age group.
Lucas Arts sold to Disney? Star Wars will now include tobacco references, great.
I find it weird,how certain folks,are willing to have egg on their face,when proven wrong.
This makes me so mad, the people want it legalized, it going to happen, the fed have now ended the war on drugs after 75 years. if i could like them to resign. not that supreme court hasn’t made some crazy ruling before. They are not doctors and who are they protecting. It doesnt matter DEA has been told the war is over and will not go after states that follow their restrictions of legalition. Who the fuck does the suprme court think their job. And what kind refussal is that, Dont do studies and keep it illegal. Why would Supreme court have say about in anyways. What their jurisdiction. there are not medical doctors their field is law. Does it even matter what they say. now we have get this PA governor out and good knows PA senats is now going after full legalizatoin not just medical.
I know for a fact that marijuana is medically necessary. Neurosurgeon, Sanjay Gupta has proven it works several times. Look it up, read medical studies, educate yourselves, pull your heads out of your tight asses and listen to the people. It’s as necessary as an inhaler would be for an asthmatic or insulin for a diabetic. It’s been proven to cure cancer, stop seizures, reduce pain, increase appetite for cancer and HIV patients, make life worth living for suicidal patients, stop nausea, stop panic attacks, and the list goes on and on. It’s already medically acceptable in some states but not others. This is hypocritical and asinine. End the war on health!
The DEA will find it harder and harder as they fight for self preservation but we know their resources are huge. They have been disorientated by the Court rejecting the schedule 1 claim so they are going to find containing medical cannabis hard. State police do not want to.
But what we need is something that will make them the bad guys in more and more peoples eyes.
And I found it – This is the whole article from Haretz one of Israels biggest English media outlets
Smoking marijuana isn’t a crime
The old-fashioned myth, that using cannabis leads to hard drugs and a life of crime, has long since been debunked by experts.
Israel Police spends some NIS 690 million ($190 million) annually in its efforts to enforce laws related to cannabis. Most of the criminal cases involve use and possession, while only a minority ? 16 percent ? are related to trafficking. This data was presented in the introduction to a bill submitted by MK Tamar Zandberg, which determines that cannabis users will not be deemed criminals and draws a legal distinction between possession and use of small amounts, and trafficking and possession of large amounts of cannabis.
One can hardly find a more superfluous waste of energy than police hunting down consumers of light drugs. The use of cannabis is considered in many circles, especially among the younger generations, as a legitimate leisure activity, comparable to the legal consumption of alcohol. In most cases, consuming cannabis has absolutely nothing to do with criminal activity. Haim Messing, formerly the director general of the Israel Anti-Drug Authority, said recently that cannabis users who possess the drug for personal use do not cause any damage to society and should be free to do with their leisure time as they wish.
Zandberg’s bill is straightforward, dealing with those who smoke cannabis for their pleasure, and not with the effort to legalize it for medical use, which demands separate debate and legislation. The Meretz MK focuses on individual rights and the irrelevancy of existing legislation in regard to reality. In this reality, which is moralistically denied by some MKs, leading them to be caught in a web of lies, smoking light drugs is common and normative, and the old-fashioned myths that smoking marijuana leads to crime or to the use of hard drugs have long since been debunked.
One can hope that the confession of 11 MKs to using cannabis, as well as Zandberg’s bill, will be the opening chapter leading to transparency in the Knesset and government policies, and that Israel will be added to the list of countries who believe in non-criminalization of those who possess cannabis for personal use ? a list which includes Germany, The Netherlands, Croatia, Canada, Portugal and Belgium. Israeli lawmakers now have a chance to prove that they are truly respectful of individual rights, and that they are not divorced from the realities of Israeli society.
But also, from a precious article – The Health Ministry is expected to announce a bill to regulate the independent use of cannabis (also known as marijuana) in Israel in the coming weeks.
Israeli legislators have repeatedly failed to pass bills that would legalize the drug in Israel. Some of the attempts were aimed at legalizing the drug for medicinal use, while others proposed the legalization for independent use. The Health Ministry bill says it is planning a “far-reaching” bill aimed at medicinal use of the drug.
The bills are being put up younger members of the Likud Party – the hard right! We can them point to the wisdom of Israel, our greatest ally, what’s the dea going say if reform ills get passed in Israel? That they are just fringe hippie commie stoners?
We all know Jewish doctors are the smartest – right?
Thats nice and everything, condel, but it only addresses part of the problem, doesn’t it. If possessing and using cannabis is not a crime, then how are people supposed to get it if trafficking and selling it is illegal? It doesn’t make any sense to decriminalize/legalize a substance if there is no way for a person to get the substance by legal means. A person who sells/trafficks cannabis is no more criminal than a person who uses it. They are just trying to meet a demand for a product that people want, while making some money for their troubles. Nothing wrong with that, at all.
There is one group of people that could single-handedly end this stupid and senseless federal prohibition on marijuana overnight, and that group of people are called the US Congress. Remember, they make the laws. So if Congress were to repeal the federal laws banning marijuana, then the Executive Branch, including law enforcement agencies, would have absolutely no choice but to cease their war on the American people for using a what is a rather harmless and even beneficial plant. So remember to ask your Congressional representatives exactly where there they stand on this question and vote accordingly the next time you go to the polls.
I will be soon convicted of marijuana delivery and serve up to two years in a state correctional facility. The time is not what bothers me it is that my civil liberties will be removed and i will be labeled as a felon and a criminal. I like most convicted marijuana offenders have no other crimes on their record. I am not a thief, a killer, nor did i have any involvement with drugs that cause real problems in our society. As a person who has sponsored and donated to Norml for years I would like to see Norml allocate some of its time and resources towards helping non violent marijuana offenders regain their civil liberties by fighting our government that is out of control. Help non violent marijuana offenders to restore their rights possibly amnesty. I know this will be an extremely hard fight to win and a long uphill battle but the people need a voice. just because someone has been convicted of a marijuana felony they should not be kept from getting a decent job to support their family. Gun rights is another issue to be addressed along with that, for the non violent individual convicted of a marijuana felony
In regard to Neil Brisbin. You did the crime; now due the the time. Don’t act like weren’t aware that selling pot is illegal. You were fully aware of the laws before you choose to sell/ manufacture your pot. Try being a man for once and quit complaining about how it’s everyone’s fault but yours. You cost yourself your civil liberties. Take some responsibility and be a man. Maybe this will turn you into a better person. I have to listen to people like you all the time.
^^^^^^Mike Smith you sound like a real winner…. Everyone makes mistakes. I hope someday someone close to you makes a mistakes, goes to jail and see how forgiving the court system is on your family!