A federal district court judge in Manhattan today granted the government’s motion to dismiss a lawsuit that sought to challenge the constitutionality of cannabis’ prohibited status under federal law.
[2/27/18 update: Plaintiffs have stated their intent to appeal the court’s ruling.]
The 98-page complaint, filed in July 2017 by a legal team that includes New York attorney Michael Hiller, NORML Legal Committee member Joseph Bondy and Empire State NORML Director David Holland, contended that the federal government “does not believe, and upon information and belief never has believed” that cannabis meets the requirements for a Schedule I designation under the Controlled Substances Act. It further argued that current administrative mechanisms in place to allow for the reconsideration of cannabis Schedule I classification are “illusory.” Lawyers for the Justice Department argued for a dismissal of the suit, arguing: “There is no fundamental right to use marijuana, for medical purposes or otherwise.”
Presiding Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein sided with the federal government, opining in a 20-page ruling: “No such fundamental right (to possess or use cannabis) exists. Every court to consider the specific, carefully framed right at issue here has held that there is no substantive due process right to use medical marijuana.” The judge further ruled that plaintiffs had not yet exhausted all of the potential administrative remedies available to them — such as filing an administrative petition to reschedule cannabis with the US Drug Enforcement Administration — and therefore, it was inappropriate for the court to intervene. “There can be no complaint of constitutional error when such a process is designed to provide a safety valve of this kind,” he opined. “Judicial economy is not served through a collateral proceeding of this kind that seeks to undercut the regulatory machinery on the Executive Branch and the process of judicial review in the Court of Appeals.”
Judge Hellerstein also rejected plaintiffs’ claim that the federal law is unconstitutional because “it was passed with racial animus.” He held that plaintiffs lacked the standing to argue such a claim because they “have failed to demonstrate that a favorable decision is likely to redress plaintiffs’ alleged injuries,” such as a dismissal of their past criminal convictions.
With regard to the question of whether the plaintiffs legitimately benefited from cannabis as a medicinal agent, the judge argued that the merits of this claim was beyond the scope of the court. “Plaintiffs’ amended complaint, which I must accept as true for the purpose of this motion, claims that the use of medical marijuana has, quite literally, saved their lives,” he wrote. “I highlight plaintiffs’ experience to emphasize that this decision should not be understood as a factual finding that marijuana lacks any medical use in the United States, for the authority to make that determination is vested in the administrative process.” He added, “Even if marijuana has current medical uses, I cannot say that Congress acted irrationally in placing marijuana in Schedule I.”
Legal counsel for the plaintiffs have yet to publicly announce whether or not they intend to appeal Judge Hellerstein’s ruling.
A judge for the Federal District Court in Sacramento considered similar arguments in a 2014 legal challenge, also spearheaded by members of the NORML Legal Committee, but ultimately rejected them — ruling that plaintiffs failed to show that Congress acted irrationally when classifying cannabis as a schedule I controlled substance. “At some point in time, a court may decide this status to be unconstitutional,” the judge determined. “But this is not the court and not the time.”
Text of Judge Hellerstein’s decision in Washington et al. v. Sessions et al is online here.
Too predictable. What weak, weak arguments from Hellerstein. What? Judge Mueller’s tactful “Congress doesn’t have to be right” was already taken? So the new catch phrase is “I cannot say that Congress acted irrationally?” Why? Because you’re afraid of not getting reelected? The DOJ wants to kill your career? Or your family? Did Sessions send the Russian mob to your house? Wouldn’t doubt it. I’m sure we’ll find out sooner or later.
Time to Appeal.
And the plaintiffs will. The big difference between the Mueller case and Hellerstein’s was that the Plaintiffs in the Picard case had criminal charges for growing mmj in California. Here in Washington v Sessions the plaintiffs DO have damages to declare (despite whatever the Judge says… just show them the medical bills for the depakote Sessions profited off of …and the bills for disproportionate incarceration oughtta cover a few desks…) And as the Judge admitted during oral arguments… some have their lives due on marijuana.
This is not over. Not this time.
By the time this hits an Apellate court we’ll have a Congress run by much more marijuana friendly Democrats. That oughtta ease up the Court of Appeals… And tighten a noose around Sessions…
Just FYI federal judges are not re-elected . They are in that position for life or until they retire …
Lesson learned.now is the time to do it right.use the response to attack from all sides of the rules . take what you can from the loss and study for the next step.
Well, I admit it. The Judge got my hopes up, like Lucy offering to hold the football for Charlie Brown…
And I fell for it. Again.
Now I am flat on my back like a sucker. And I’m pissed.
So, I am in no mood to candy-coat the following question: Do traitors to America have Second Amendment Rights under The Constitution?
If you agree that the answer is “No” then please consider the following tweet by Norman L. Eisen, who is board chair of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. He is an attorney who previously served as White House Special Counsel for Ethics and Government Reform and later United States Ambassador to the Czech Republic.
“Norm Eisen
?
@NormEisen
Have now read and analyzed Nunes & Schiff memos. Can come to only 1 conclusion: Nunes, GOP leaders, & Trump intentionally lied 2hurt FBI & USA and benefit Russia. That is unlike anything we have seen—far worse than McCarthy or Nixon, who were not aiding our foreign adversaries
7:01 AM – Feb 25, 2018
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15.1K people are talking about this”
Second question: Is this activity traitorous?
If you agree the answer is “yes” then there is no escaping the conclusion that the second amendment does not apply to Trump, Nunes, nor GOP leaders.
They must be disarmed. Take away their fucking guns!
Think we have a civic duty to notify the FBI about this?
Ha! No. The FBI works for the Attorney General. Maybe Mueller’s independent councel could investigate Sessions’ ties to depakote and offshore accounts, but, here’s the real appeal deal:
https://www.marijuanamoment.net/federal-judge-dismisses-marijuana-lawsuit/
This decision was NOT on the merits. There is a Constitutional crisis here in need of descheduling and appeal.
I always forget to write “joke” or “sarcasm” when I’m being sarcastc.
My question to you, or any takers, is: Do traitors have second amendment rights under the constitution?
This case definitely needs to be appealed. Hellerstein’s reasoning is deeply flawed and comes off as arbitrary.
A key claim of the lawsuit is that there is no rational basis for that categorization. But Hellerstein wrote that “it is clear that Congress had a rational basis for classifying marijuana in Schedule I, and executive officials in different administrations have consistently retained its placement there… Even if marijuana has current medical uses, I cannot say that Congress acted irrationally in placing marijuana in Schedule I.”
But the question for the Justice Department should not be “is it rational” but rather, “is it just?”
A crime doesn’t have to be irrational in order to be a crime. Political corruption and money laundering is rational, but wrong!
What are you babeing about? What dose the second amendment have to do with the subject of conversation? Trump is a fine president, maybe you should go to Berkley and pet the pony.
Trump is a fucking traitor, and therefore has no second amendment rights. Sessions, Ryan, and McConnell knew about it, and covered for Trump’s crimes. That makes them traitors, too. Traitors have no second amendment rights, motherfucker. Comprende?
Americans who collaborate with a hostile foreign power to tilt an election toward a Putin operative are FUCKING TRAITORS.
TRAITORS HAVE NO SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.
TAKE AWAY THEIR FUCKING GUNS.
HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?
Constant douche-baggery dribble. You’re full of Schiff, dumbfuck. Look in the mirror, asshole. Stop throwing rocks in your tribe’s glass house. Ain’t even any sugar in the koolaid they’ve been serving you.
You’re the traitor, yet you’re too fucking stupid to realize it.
Uh oh, some stranger called you out on your idiotic bullshit. Time to double down! No time to reconsider anything, must. hit. back.
Don’t allow people to have different opinions! People that disagree with you and your codependent sissy tribe are most definitely fascists and must be silenced! (oh the irony… that you can’t even see, apparently) Clearly, only Russians would disagree with the far left agenda! Treason! Take the guns from the traitors!
Such a silly ideology you buy into and help spread for Soros and the NWO. For shame. For shame. Shame on you, sir.
Truth hurts, don’t it?
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Nothing will change till these old refer madness assholes die off
My friends, Four-Twenty is rapidly approaching! Woo-hooo! That’s when we send a smoke signal that is literally visible across all America. And cop a major buzz!
I can remember a 420 when, not too many years ago, a Colorado state politician called for the National Guard to deploy on Civic Center Park, just a block from the state Capitol, to arrest all the protestors. No shit. They did not deploy, thankfully, but still — what a dick move!
Let’s be clear on this: Marijuana legalization is less about promoting marijuana itself, and more about ending the violence of marijuana prohibition. That is the priority.
But, marijuana prohibition and gun violence are integrally related.
Let’s take a step back and think about this. The Second Amendment is for the purposes of citizens who are enlisted in a militia. That’s what it says. But America already has militias coming out the ass!
We have an Army, a Navy, an Air Force, a Coast Guard, and more — plenty of legal militias to choose from, if that’s what tickles your fancy.
And that makes these nut-job militias — you know, the ones that are stalking the schools and the confederate statues these days — that makes them illegal. We already have a National Guard to handle serious internal strife above and beyond fundamental police work.
They are, in effect, invading armies. We sure as fuck don’t want them at 420 rallies, as foes or allies, stay the fuck away from us!
How about calling the National Guard out on those cocksuckers?
it looks like Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein, just proved that ‘the mechanisms in place to allow for the reconsideration of cannabis Schedule I classification ARE illusory.’
re; filing an administrative petition to reschedule cannabis with the US Drug Enforcement Administration.
when will this happen ??
re; plaintiffs’
-alleged-
injuries;
IF HE FEELS, that being incarcerated, and ass-raped,
is NOT AN ACTUAL INJURY,
HE SHOULD TRY IT, HIMSELF.
re; Legal counsel for the plaintiffs have yet to publicly announce whether or not they intend to appeal Judge Hellerstein’s ruling.
what are they waiting for ???
going to file the ‘administrative petition’ first ???
re; With regard to the question of whether the plaintiffs legitimately benefited from cannabis as a medicinal agent, the judge argued that the merits of this claim was beyond the scope of the court.
OH, YES !!!
the TRUTH,
NEVER has any standing in a ‘court of LAW.’
NO REDRESS OF GREIVANCES = TYRANNY.
What a coward. Likely bought off by the pharmaceutical, prison, and alcohol and tobacco lobbyists. I highly doubt this was impartial.
I agree. The Judge was probably bought off. Just like everyone else is. SMH
What a coward. Likely bought off by the pharmaceutical, prison, and alcohol and tobacco lobbyists during the time he was “deciding.” I highly doubt this was impartial.
My thoughts exactly. The judge heard the case, then waited for the lucrative payoff offers from the drug testing and private prison industries. Probably took a bit of time to haggle for more, riding high on the fact that he held the power to either slow or accelerate the inevitable end of those industries.
I think it’s time these judges’ finances were audited and investigated.
THAT is why I keep saying we need to tie Sessions to Depakote and Abbot Laboratories. If any pharmaceutical company made campaign donations to Jusge Hellerstein during the interim of this open case the decision must be nullified and the Judge must be sanctioned.
The way we do that in small town courts is find an opposing retiring judge inside the same district/circuit who will go to the press over the bribery during an election year.
The other reality for Judge Hellerstein is that President Trump could have threatened to replace him.
can you say pass the buck.
be removed from the bench now or retire in 3-7 years
Justice is anything but blind. Ignorant, inhumane, corrupt, bigoted….sad.
The title succinctly says it all: Federal Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Challenging Marijuana’s Schedule I Prohibited Status.
It must be acknowledged that the courts will never reschedule marijuana as it is currently defined, nor should they. The remedy is to literally reform the definition of marijuana to make it uphold the Constitution. We must contact our members of Congress to enact this careful reform that simply de-schedules the cannabis plant while preserving the existing prohibitions on marijuana use:
The term “marijuana” means all parts of the smoke produced by the combustion of the plant Cannabis sativa L. which is, as are the viable seeds of such plant, prohibited to be grown by or sold by any publicly traded corporation or subsidiary company.
30 years ago the DEA’s Chief Administrative Law Judge incorrectly construed the meaning of the existing definition when he wrote, “Throughout this opinion the term ‘marijuana’ refers to ‘the marijuana plant, considered as a whole’.”, that the DEA continues to abide.
In this trope (i.e. use of words in other than their literal sense), the judge used the rhetorical device of synecdoche to claim that “marijuana” means “the marijuana plant”, and the rhetorical device of metonymy to substitute “the marijuana plant” for “the plant Cannabis sativa L.” found in the federal definition of marijuana. The judge’s trope, ensconced in a footnote, is false because it strategically misconstrues the meaning of the equivocal definition of the term “marijuana” to be “the plant Cannabis sativa L.” (i.e. all varieties of cannabis plant), which is not the real meaning of that legislated term. The reformed definition describes its real meaning.
When Congress enacts this reform, it will override the DEA judge’s misconstruction, so that the reformed definition can be subsequently rescheduled by law.
Yeah, be angry, but get smart.
I will always reject your Machiavellian smoke and mirrors that suggests to continue prohibitting the smoke of cannabis, Year-bait.
But at least youre changing your language to “deschedules” instead of “reschedule.”
What do you have against smoking marijuana without going to jail?
Thanks for the unruffled reply.
Discussions about “marijuana” tend to be perceived to imply smoking the “marijuana plant” to access the “marijuana drug”, to the detriment of the other valuable uses of the plant. The term has served to adumbrate (i.e. prioritize a particular mental perception) the act of smoking the versatile cannabis plant, which some people like to smoke, to the detriment of the other valuable uses of the plant.
De-scheduling the cannabis plant by defining the term “marijuana” to expose its adumbrated meaning, simply removes the scheme of prohibiting the valuable plant by assigning a racist spelling to it, and thereby restores the Ninth Amendment rights which are “retained by the people” to grow and use the versatile cannabis plant.
Subsequently rescheduling the reformed definition of the term “marijuana” allows for some federal restrictions on who can smoke it, and where it can be smoked. The lower the schedule the better, but de-scheduling the term restores the Tenth Amendment rights that are “reserved to the States respectively, or to the people”, to control who, where, and how the cannabis plant is used.
Preserving the corporate prohibitions on growing and selling the cannabis plant will preclude them from enticing children to smoke the plant, while permitting them to make medical and industrial products from it. In a subtle way, it also refutes the judicially imposed creed that “corporations are people”.
Each of these “steps” toward sanity are in the hands of Congress. These step-wise reforms may be more amenable to the stonewalling marijuana hardliners there, if more people will tell them.
It is amazing how much good can come from a simpler definition.
…or how much evil;
You wrote:
“Preserving the corporate prohibitions on growing and selling the cannabis plant will preclude them from enticing children to smoke the plant, while permitting them to make medical and industrial products from it.”
Thanks for revealing you are more concerned with patented profit than the liberty of Americans.
Yer a cheap sell out Yearbait. Your fancy vocabulary is fooling no one here. Schedule 2 is corporate quasi prohibition. You should do some time for smoking weed then come back and tell us what definition of marijuana you enjoy.
@ yearofaction,
By all means, continue your Quixotic quest; I see nothing will deter you, in any case. But I don’t think our enemies are going to fall for that trick. A rose by any other name still smells like Skunk! (Skunkweed. Get it?) But you never know, it’s a crazy world! If they do fall for it, I will tip my hat to you. Meantime…
Frankly, I am holding out for a different approach: Vote Democratic! Get on the big blue wave!
@dain bramage
Back in the day, in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified, it would have been quixotic to prohbit cannabis from the people, seeing as how the Ninth and Tenth Amendments limited the governments ability to remove our liberty, but then time passed, and racism, ignorance, corporate greed, and political will took it from us. It’s time to reclaim it.
Marijuana is a controlled substance derived from the cannabis plant. The control of that substance, and its valuable precursor plant as well, should be returned to the people to provide to the corporations for a market-based price according to supply-side theory. That is the American way as long as the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. It’s time to insist it.
@dain bramage
Back in the day, in 1791 when the Bill of Rights was ratified, it would have been quixotic to prohibit cannabis from the people, seeing as how the Ninth and Tenth Amendments limited the governments ability to remove our liberty, but then time passed, and racism, ignorance, corporate greed, and political will took it from us. It’s time to reclaim it.
Marijuana is a controlled substance derived from the cannabis plant. The control of that substance, and its valuable precursor plant as well, should be returned to the people to provide to the corporations for a market-based price according to supply-side theory. That is the American way as long as the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. It’s time to insist it.
@dain bramage
Speaking of quixotic, judge Hellerstein said, “Despite considerable efforts to reschedule marijuana, it remains a Schedule I drug. As of 2005, the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals had reviewed petitions to reschedule marijuana on five separate occasions over the course of 30 years, and upheld the DEA’s determination in each instance.” It should be pretty clear that the existing definition will not be rescheduled. You can almost hear the judge’s sotto voce query, “Whatareyoustupid?”
Now, seeking to reform the definition before rescheduling/de-scheduling it, does not seem so quixotic after all.
@ yearofaction,
Meanwhile, how about pitching in with the rest of us once in awhile? Do you refuse to help, beyond sharing your unalterable convictions?
Indeed
Did this ruling just establish that you have no inherent right to use plants in their natural form??? Is that really how our founding fathers would have seen things?? They rebelled against the king to have freedom which didnt include the right to grow or not grow and use or not use whatever plants they wanted to??? Really?
Essentially, Matt, that is what the CSAct has been unconstitutionally doing since 1970 and the Marijuana Stamp Act since 1937. We have to hold Congress accountable for taking our rights away. This season that means voting Democratic… vet your reps during the primaries!
Reminds anyone of the Boston Tea Party?
Lotta damn good the Republican “Tea Party” did for marijuana legalization (sarcasm, bitter.) The never saw the connection. Talk about clueless!
I like to think I’ve always caught your sarcasm Dain, but I answer for the people I fear cannot grasp the level and context of our written conversation. Always better to paranthesize sarcasm, like asking if Trump thinks killing drug dealers will make his balls grow back again. (Sarcasm… the hubris and finasteride permanently shrunk them).
I guessed this one correctly. The Republicans that are now in charge don’t want this to change…
If, after multiple school shootings, and even with the student survivors standing up to gun violence, we still can’t get the Feds to do something, then cannabis change has even less chance…
I really hate the Trump administration and the Republican led Congress and senate.
*** VOTE DEMOCRAT only for the forseeable future ***
“Even if marijuana has current medical uses, I cannot say that Congress acted irrationally in placing marijuana in Schedule 1.” But, Schedule 1 means the opposite: The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical treatment use in the U.S. Hence, true equals false in Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein’s courthouse. The judge says “Every court to consider the specific, carefully framed right at issue here has held that there is no substantive due process right to use medical marijuana.” Yet, “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right …to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor” (Amendment 6). If a judge says it’s not irrational for true to equal false then there is in fact not a compulsory process, which is unconstitutional.
Unfortunatelt Todd, NORML had a DEA Judge argree that marijuana was one of the “safest” substances known to mankind nearly 40 years ago and yet here we are.
The big difference here is that this Judge is trying to hide behind Congress when thirty state legislatures have legalized medical or responsible adult matijuana markets reducing harm and protecting life as we write… which is clear Constitutional and legislative evidence of irrepreable harm and damages for the plaintiffs that the Judge unconstitutionally denies. But Constitutional decisions are better made in Apellate courts… or perhaps even the Supreme Court, by which time we will have more legalized states, and a Democratic Congress.
Why don’t you 1698 people just burn me at the stake and get it over with. I’m not going to stop consuming cannabis. Go ahead burn me at the stake!
As long as that stake is driven into a big pile of high quality weed! “Torch me!”
They told them what to do, go bitch at the DEA about it.
Or the better option would be to start militantly growing and selling marijuana, fuck just build an army. The DEA is not the military, they don’t have that much firepower.
@ Lth,
No, bad idea. Let’s not build an army. Who the fuck are you, the NRA?
They said “Congress doesn’t have to be right,”
And it seems like theres no end in sight
If you don’t think they’re irrational
This movement is National
Organizing Reform day and night
“Even if marijuana has current medical uses, I cannot say that Congress acted irrationally in placing marijuana in Schedule I.”
Oh, fuck the fuck off, you fuck.
Bout time for Kim Jong Un to deliver a message about the size of the Grand Canyon here in America to adjust the scales of justice in this country since the scales of justice have become out of adjustment and flawed. A correction would be necessary.
March on Washington on 4/20. BIIIIIIIIIIIIIG March on washington
Federal courts never side with legalization.
They know the case will get appealed to the U.S. Supremacist Court like in Gonzales v. Raich.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
Back to this fucking bullshit with filing an administrative petition. They always leave legalization up to the Do-Nothing Congress.
All they do for folks is stretch out the implementation of things that give people more freedom. Sessions! Equal Civil Rights, Equal Rights, now getting rid of the Jim Crow of cannabis prohibition.
“Do-Nothing Congress” is the word. These assholes like the status quo, because it’s so great for their pocket books.
I almost died from alcohol, legal and deadly, there are statistical facts that many die from alcohol but none from cannabis, would this argument work? I have had a liver transplant because of alcohol at age 33.
@ Jen Stranko,
Your testimony can work to save individual people’s lives, by educating them, and giving them a fighting chance to change their lifestyle, and save their own lives. I too gave up alcohol, and have also found cannabis to be a friendly and safe recovery tool. Keep speaking out!
As far as changing the illegality of cannabis, we won the argument a long time ago. What we’re up against now is willful ignorance, and the pursuit of power at all costs. That’s a tougher fight, as the above NORML article illustrates.
Many of these same hypocrites are the ones who routinely vote against MJ legalization. One of the high-ranking cronies in my GOP Gov’s administration was pulled over in traffic because he was blind drunk–and of course he got off. Just like my alcoholic GOP Gov, he thinks it’s okay to get blind drunk–just don’t dare smoke any weed.
question is not of congress being irrational – way back then – in scheduling cannabis wrongly as S1,
rather that it is irrational now, today, 2018 to continue this wrong by definition scheduling..
the fact remains that [just one eg] epilepsy does and has and will respond to cannabidiols [CBD’s] of cannabis together with human brains endo-cannibinoid system.. this reality has been accepted worldwide and in specific cases in usa, such as the eepileptic girl plaintif..
todays understanding is thus then that cannabis
does indeed have specific real genuine positive medical effects, including – curing epilepsy –
scheduling is basically a poisons list..
highest toxcity is ‘supertoxin’ [S1 in australian poisons list] whereas cannabis is non-toxic with no verified deaths worldwide caused by cannabis alone..
schedule 1 is, irrational today..
out for the judge was the idea that those who took the decision to schedule back then,, were
irrational.. thus that finding in law..
not,, as to the reality today..
back then it could be argued decisionmakers had no understanding as to brains endo-cannabinoid system, or natural human produced cbd’S or plant based cbd’s such as cannabis sativa..
people are assuming the judge was corrupted, which may or may not be relevant..
fact is there is an ongoing avalanche of global recognition of the realities of cbd’s and of our brains endo-cannabinoid system, and as relate to pain, seizures and so on..
‘they’ are exploiting the – usa – system to hold back the tide of change..
the key is in using the system..
‘we’ have the advantage today, now..
its a matter of using the correct key
to open this old corrupted lock..
norml is leading the way, medicine will follow,
and the majority have already spoken..
getting the voters out is one such key..
Wow what a POS judge man. I wonder how many MJ users got the bad end of the law from this guy and people who hold his position. Protecting the law and curbing your views is what you do for this job for the people and their rights. Could be bought off or just making sure there’s still meat on the bones for for all the others who have to deal with those who get caught with this plant, I don’t care he’s just as corrupt and mislead as Gen. Sessions on this issue. Man I hope he becomes more wise on this issue, he’s just become another public enemy to MJ user’s.
This is equal to vaccines from my point of view you simply cannot control what is allowed to go into someones body weather your a government or an individual. When you do you become like the fascist parts of Europe who decides who lives by what medical treatment from the government courts. Think about that if you live there and you needed major treatment like the child (Charlie I think it was) had a higher chance of living through the treatments that the U.S.
Wow what a POS judge man. I wonder how many MJ users got the bad end of the law from this guy and people who hold his position. Protecting the law and curbing your views is what you do for this job for the people and their rights. Could be bought off or just making sure there’s still meat on the bones for for all the others who have to deal with those who get caught with this plant, I don’t care he’s just as corrupt and mislead as Gen. Sessions on this issue. Man I hope he becomes more wise on this issue, he’s just become another public enemy to MJ user’s.
This is equal to vaccines from my point of view you simply cannot control what is allowed to go into someones body weather your a government or an individual. When you do you become like the fascist parts of Europe who decides who lives by what medical treatment from the government courts. Think about that if you live there and you needed major treatment like the child (Charlie I think it was) had a higher chance of living through the treatments that the U.S. had and couldn’t get there through his parents will but through the dam government? I mean at least we’re not that F’d up,we’re pretty close with the amount of medical conditions that weed alone can help with just opens up doors to other possibilities with plant medicine. I got a lot more to say, but I got things to do maybe ill continue later. On another note we need to wake Trump up on this issue if we want anything done without him it’s hopeless he seems to fight for the people and what they want if enough people make it clear to him. We need to get him on our side and I thinks it’s possible