California state lawmakers are scheduled to hear testimony tomorrow in support of taxing and regulating the commercial production and distribution of marijuana for adults age 21 and older.
[Paul Armentano 10/29 update: Archived video of the entire hearing is now available online here. The hearing is three hours long and archived in three separate parts.]
[Paul Armentano updates: Just a quick update for folks. There is extensive media coverage of today’s hearing. Go to Google News and type in “Ammiano marijuana.” There are well over 100 news items, ranging from the New York Times to UPI to Bloomberg to AP, etc. The hearings were also carried live on The California Channel, but the video has not yet been archived. (Check back to the Cal Channel website tomorrow or Friday, but here’s a five minute clip care of youtube.) NORML’s testimony from today is available here and here. Following the hearing, many of us met with numerous key lawmakers (and their staff) on the Public Safety and Health Committees to discuss the issue further. (I had four meetings myself.)
As for “what’s next?” First off, this was an INFORMATIONAL HEARING only. There will be NO Committee vote at this time. There will likely be a second informational hearing scheduled before the Assembly Committee on Health. After that, the Public Safety Committee is anticipated to hold a separate hearing specific to AB 390, the Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act in January 2010. IF we have the votes at that time to pass the bill out of Committee, the Chair (who is the bill’s sponsor) will call it for a vote sometime this spring. If we don’t have the votes on the Committee, then the bill will languish in Committee. It’s that simple.]
Members of the California Assembly Committee on Public Safety have called for the hearing, entitled “Examining the Fiscal and Legal Implication of the Legalization and Regulation of Marijuana.” The hearing will be chaired by Assemblyman Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco), sponsor of Assembly Bill 390, the Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act. It will take place at 10am in room 126 of the State Capitol.
A press conference will take place prior to the hearing at 9 am in Capitol Room 317.
California NORML Coordinator Dale Gieringer is scheduled to testify before the Committee at noon. [Editor’s note: Read Dale’s written testimony here.] NORML has also submitted prepared testimony to the Committee, which is available online here.
Several representatives from law enforcement, including the California Police Chiefs Association and the Office of the Attorney General’s Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement, are scheduled to testify in opposition to the bill.
“The criminal prohibition of marijuana provides law enforcement and state regulators with no legitimate market controls,” states NORML Deputy Director Paul Armentano in prepared testimony. “This absence of state and local government controls jeopardizes rather than promotes public safety. I urge this Committee to move forward with the enactment of sensible regulations for legalizing marijuana.”
Tomorrow’s hearing marks one of the first times since 1913 that the California legislature has debated ending criminal prohibition.
If you live in California you can contact your member of the Assembly in advance of tomorrow’s historic hearing here.
This is fantastic news. What a breakthrough. I look forward to hearing about how this unfolds.
YES YES! Nice! We are so close now!
Support: http://www.californiacannabisinitiative.org/
its about time….
finally! Theres no way the straw man arguments will be able to win this debate for the prohibitionist. All that our side has to do is easily shoot them down.
About fucking time…….
now they just need to bar LA district attorney cooley from showing up and spreading his stupidity around and i am sure it will pass. this is a great move in the right direction for the whole country.
YAY! free the weed for the highest good of all !
I LOVE YOU GUYS!
FINALLY, Now how about the rest of U.S.
Awesome news!!! If this happens how long do you all think until it’s legal everywhere?
Funny how now it’s just law enforcement that wants to keep cannabis illegal and every time they argue their side it just becomes more and more apparent that they’re not in it for public safety, they’re in it because they get paid big tax dollars and they’re on a power trip.
It’s time to end the law enforcement monopoly on marijuana. It’s time to take the control out of the hands of criminal cartels and equally as immoral law enforcement. If one didn’t know better, it would be very easy to conclude that they’re working together – and ultimately against the American public.
California is again leading the way in logical thinking and intelligent direction in public policy. Wish I lived there so I could do more, but hopefully this will move to AZ quickly, we need it, too.
If California ever does legalize marijuana, the rest of us in the hopelessly backwards Usa will be moving there. California get ready for an influx of relocating americans. New York is still in the dark ages!
Leave it to Cali to lead the charge. Walls are crumbling all over the nation. Hopefully we’ll start to see some change in Georgia.
Much respect Cali. Call your representitive today.
Will you guys be allowed to grow for personal use and if so will there be a tax on that ?
[Paul Armentano responds: AB 390 does not impose tax or regulations re: the noncommercial cultivation of marijuana for personal use – defined as ten plants or fewer. That said, this hearing is not specific to AB 390, but to regulation in general.]
I would like to see NORML give some follow up on this, since with the Mass. hearing we got all excited about it and nothing came of it.
It’s nice that we are right. It’s nice that we are getting people to listen to our arguments. It’s nice that we are slowly winning the war. But it would also be nice if we could have a little less vagueness in terms of what our specific agenda is each time out (other than to “talk about legalization with X committee”).
Guaranteed tomorrow evening/thursday morning there will be a flood of comments and e-mails asking “WHAT HAPPENED?!” All we really want is for you to keep us updated and not drop the ball (does failure to update your supporters feed into the negative stereotype of “laziness” we’re already fighting? I’ll let you decide that…)
Tomorrow is the hearing, is it a one day hearing? Is it going on over several days? When should we expect to hear results and what are our best/worst case scenarios?
[Paul Armentano responds: Your confrontational tone seems unnecessary. To address your questions one at a time. 1) What “failure to update your supporters” are you referring to? NORML sent a list-serv out well in advance of this hearing to all of our California supporters. NORML also posted an update about this hearing upon its announcement (well over a week ago) on our Take Action page here: http://capwiz.com/norml2/issues/alert/?alertid=12758896#at, which is where such updates are always posted. 2) “Vagueness?” NORML has provided you with the time of the hearing, the place of the hearing, the Committee that we will be testifying before, contact information to the Committee and its members, and links to our testimony. How is our agenda “vague?” 3) “Nothing came of it.” Please explain? There was a hearing, testimony was taken — what result are you looking for: marijuana legalization the following day? This is the protocol of every legislative hearing; it is the process by which bills are passed into laws. The Massachusetts bill is a two-year bill. That means that the Chair of the Committee can call it for a vote anytime between now and fall 2010. Hearings are held prior to Committee votes so that the Committee can debate legislation and hear from advocates and opponents. The fact that they have not voted on the bill immediately following the hearing doesn’t mean that “nothing came of it” or that NORML “dropped the ball.” It’s the legislative process and is normal. The Chair may never call for a vote at all, which is SOP if the Chair believes that the vote won’t go the way he or she wants it to. The same rules will apply tomorrow in California. The hearing is an informational hearing; we hope that the Committee will follow up on it in 2010 with a hearing specific to AB 390, and that then we will get a favorable vote on the bill later next year. Sorry if that time frame doesn’t work for you but it is the way the legislative process works — not just for marijuana law reform legislation but for all legislation.]
Wish i lived in cali. 🙁
Stupid TN needs to catch up.
First here!!###@!@!!##!!@!@@ My thread!
Best wishes on this,,,,for sure.
Bring everything to the table. Any point made by the opponent can easily be countered with common sense. Please, do not let any prohibitionist point go unopposed. End this nonsense policy soon pl0X. Bless you.
I had to read the page two times before I realized that I was reading a current event. Wow, I expected this to happen, but this soon! Honestly I can’t believe it. You know were my hopes stand on this matter. Not just so we can sit down and smoke a Fat Juicy J and not get in trouble. But because we there is a wide number of things that can be made from the plant itself. I honestly believe that this could be the start to the end of a subject that should have never been in the first place. VOTE YES !!! I have to go calm this happyness down. Guess I shouldnt get to excited yet.
_-One Love-_
Finally, this is a great step forward.
It is about time maybe other states will follow suit!!!
Great job to all and to all legalization . WTF.
As the Chambers would say “Time ” .
ray
“[Editor’s note: Read Dale’s written testimony here.]”
This link does not work for me, it needs to be checked to make sure it’s working.
[Paul Armentano responds: The link is working now. Here is the actual url: http://norml.org/pdf_files/AssPubSafety_Legalization.pdf.%5D
I can’t wait to hear what representatives from law enforcement, including the California Police Chiefs Association and the Office of the Attorney General’s Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement have to say in opposition to legalization. What would they do if they couldn’t go out to hunt down and trapping pot heads. It’s not only a major part of their occupation and livelihood; it’s more like a sport such as big game trophy hunting, Safari and all.
While it was just fine to be served alcoholic beverages on board an airplane i couldn’t board an airplane with medical marijuana in my possession .
What this resulted in was my turning to alcohol and vomiting my guts out all over my Motel room in , Honolulu because without my medicine i turned to alcohol . Today i can travel on an airplane with marijuana .
Mr. President ….Thankyou .
Progress is being made .
Is a representative of LEAP going to be there also?
[Paul Armentano responds: Orange County Judge Jim Gray will be testifying in favor of regulation. I do not believe that any retired or active LEOs will be speaking in favor.]
It is about time America opened their eyes and saw that Marijuana is NOT a threat to the people(s) safty; children, animals, body, well-being, mind, ect. VOTE to legalize! Remember, Prohibition STILL DOESN’T WORK!
With this historic event taking place tomorrow, some of my faith in this country has been restored.
WHAT’S IT ALL ABOUT ALPHY?
The way I see it …plain and simple…it’s all about “REGISTRATION.” The argument to that is, it’s all about “CONTROL.” The reality is …it’s all about “BOTH>”
It starts with the Physician’s Recommendation. That Recommendation is “REGISTERED” at the doctor’s office, and “VERIFIED” at the doctor’s office.
NEXT: Qualified 11362.5 Patients shall “REGISTER” with the California Department of Public Health (DPH), under the Medical Marijuana Program (MMP), which [all] counties in California are mandated to establish and perform. At this time, “PATIENT REGISTRATION WITH THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IS VOLUNTARY,”
however, “REGISTRATION” is still key to non-action by law enforcement.
NEXT: Aside from growing your own medicine, which no doubt was the original intent behind cultivation and possession, the “ONLY LEGAL PLACE” you can obtain your medicine is at a “NON-PROFIT” collective or cooperative, the only two recognizable entities in the State of California. Caregiver is not a recognizable entity. You must join a “NON-PROFIT” collective or coop, and be a “REGISTERED AND VARIFIED QUALIFIED 11362.5 PATIENT MEMBER OF THAT COLLECTIVE OR COOP ONLY.” Collective cultivation is legal, and so are collective and coop dispensaries. Although law enforcement would begrudgingly so, rather see the cultivation site itself as the only dispensary, thereby eliminating the visability of store front dispensaries to the public, they would prefer none of the above.
So!…What’s the problem…wWhat’s it all about Alphy?
The problem is in the collective or coop itself. Law enforcement is scraping the bottom of the barrel, and downing collectice and coops for “MAKING A PROFIT.” Non-profit means just that…”NO PROFIT.” A non-profit can however, encure direct expenses. A salary to a facilitator of the cooperative or coop would be one. All cultivation costs would be another, including lease of land for cultivation. The problem is “MAKING A PROFIT.” Keeping accurate books, and using solid accounting procedures is the key. Full disclosure keeps you relatively safe from prosecution.
So!…What about control?…What’s it all about Alphy?
Whether made entirely legal, or legal for medicinal purposes only, the state and the feds are not going to give up “CONTROL.” It would be ludicrous to think otherwise.
May I suggest someone bring a phone and stream this hearing live on something like bambuser.com ?? 😉 Would love to listen in, all the way from Sweden!
Im sure if just one state embraces reason and common sense more will follow.
Legalize once and for all California.
right on cali! i know you guys will be the first to legalize sweet maryjane! much love from yo’ f*#%ed law inforcing neigbor Arizona.
legalize or die…
Pretty Epic. If any state will pass it will be Nevada, Oregon, or California. I love how cops are still trying to oppose it, like they have any control over it what so ever. You can keep arresting people but you’ve been doing that for 40+ years now with no results. Good Luck.
When is the vote already?? My 21st is coming up in days and I want more than anything to have my first legal smoke and drink at the same time!
[Paul Armentano responds: This is an informational hearing, not a hearing specific to AB 390. We hope that the Committee will follow up with such a hearing in 2010, followed by a vote.]
I love it, notice the argument against legalization is….kids can get it easier, and no control…
ann coulter said she knows cancer patients that get it now and making it accessable would get kids involved…which is such flawed thinking…on so many levels.
as someone who would be literally crying due to nerve pain without vaporized marijuana(nope, dont drink like the hypocrits that claim a shot of gin is ok) I am offended by those that oppose it…better regulation of these cards and making it 21 and over ends kids at 18 in high school with cards, it ends people who dont need it, getting it anywhere other than where you can get it now(the street)
I’m moving back to California next week! I can’t wait to vote YES when this makes it on next year’s ballot!
Go for it, California. Hopefully the rest of the country can ride your coattails
About time California… lead the way for America.
I look foward to hearing about how this plays out and hopefully californias law makers will be the first in the country to base policy on sane concepts. Instead of irrational fear and old racist laws. The phrase “thats the way it always been done” applies to Cannabis prohibition but its a phrase that needs to be removed from our congressmen and senators minds. Laws should not cause more harm than the things they make illegal. Laws should be reviewed every 25 years to check for relevancy to current times and political climate along with being judged constitutional before the law is either repealed or reemplemented.
I hope the outcome is legalization, then other states will follow right behind them. Its stupid that marijuana is illegal, if anything should be illegal it should be alcohol and tobacco. Keep up the good work norml!
If you live in California, tell your friends, family, neighbors, anyone you know. Tell them about how it will help the economy, and actually lower hard drug use!!
Tell them how any other option besides legalization and taxation increases gang violence and decreases public health!!
Tell them how some of the politicians will present lies and skewed facts as always, but to not believe them. Believe in the truth of reasoning and logic. Believe in legalization and TAXATION of marijuana.
The taxes can go to fix many problems faced by the state, such as hard drug abuse, housing/community problems, schools, TEACHER PAY, so many things….
Anyone else notice that most all of the people speaking out against Cannabis are Tax payer employees ? And what the hell makes them “experts” , how many smoke pot or have ever smoked pot??? So how can they be more expert than the PRO Cannabis speakers,who more than likely have had a little hands on experience.
I THINK I FELL DOWN A RABBIT HOLE.
Ya’ll go back to what you were doing now.
How serious is this going to be?
Go California!! I might be moving there if this bill passes.
Will there be a video i can watch to see this debate?
Godwilling all goes well tomoro and everyone is able to eloquently rebut any mis-information provided by the opponents of Reform. But I was wondering, will anyone other than Law Enforcement Reps be there in opposition? Furthermore isnt it a bit off for Law Enforcement to have any say so like this? I mean how many Cannibus users have been hauled off in cuffs by some cop toting the line “I dont make the Laws I just enforce them!” and here they will be trying to actively continue a cycle of persecution against otherwise law abiding citizens.Sure if an officer is a concerned citizen he should LOUDLY expressive his oppinion as a private citizen NOT as part of an organization designed to do the bidding of the PEOPLE.
at lest one state is goin to have some common sense unlike my state fuckin IN currupt basterd’s
Wow. I thought I heard Led Zepplin in the background…”I’m goin’ to California with an aik-kin, in my hearrrrt.”
I will definitely be praying about this tonight as I lay me down to sleep. If Cali does this, you know Nevada will soon follow, due to their competativeness. Then the other NW states will follow suit, then the east coast states, then the midwest (unfortunately, Ohio will probably be last).
BTW, when can we expect any news from Ohio? I never hear anything about us Buckeyes. Also, how about working on Cincinnati, since they overrde the state’s staute on decrim.
Dale’s written proposal was very well done. It shows how well thought out this issue has been. I think he covered it in every way. Very very nice piece of work. Thanks for all that you do. It is the people of NORML and all of the reformist that we owe a debt to.
Congratulations NoRmL!! You deseve it.. I wondered about you at times but you stuck to your guns.. Can you imagine, a decent piece of legislation for a change, and thats real change..
I will be suggesting that all my friends and family plan their family vacations to the great state of California. The home of the brave and the land of the free.. Congratulations California. I hope you are the example that all states follow. To the victor go the spoils.
I am EAGER to see this Cali-legalize-effort pass. BECAUSE I am curious to observe the influence a LEGAL Cali-Cannabis industry will have on the rest of the U.S. Especially when Cali’s new job market starts booming after the first yr or so…….I mean, tourism is bound to skyrocket the first six months….i’m guessing?.
this is awesome.i am prayin to the great spirit that good will come from this meeting and, that we will be victorious in enjoying the peace that the remedy offers without the fear. what a great life it might be. thank you norml for working toward this opertunity. come on california…….speak the majic words…..
So I hav eto say that I agree. Never do hear much bout ohio. Dont think they will be last though. I think it will be right here in my home state of Utah. I dont think they will ever pass for anything but I got somethin in the works. Just has to be perfect before it gets sent in to the state officials. But for now I’m happy for Ca. lol just moved back here from there bout 5 months ago. what a shame, I should have stayed. hope for all piece and love.
_-One Love-_
Well, if California legalizes it, it will only be a matter of time before Texas follows suit, probably only a decade or two.
Whoa there !
Everyone thinks that this means legalization . This is only a debate .
I AM SO HAPPY FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. MAY THEY BE FREE AND ENJOY WHAT IS A WONDERFUL ATTRIBUTE TO THE WORLD! I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE REST OF HE COUNTRY AND WORLD WILL LEARN AND PROSPER THE SAME WAY! LEGALIZE! LEGALIZE! LEGALIZE! LEGALIZE! LEGALIZE! LEGALIZE!FREEDOM FOR ALL! LIVE, LOVE, LEARN!
This is a wonderful thing. Hopefully the voices of reason will prevail and allow this bill to move forward.
For everyone that does not live in California, take the time to write one of your representatives at the local, state, or national level and let them know what your views are. At the very least, make a donation to the legalization group that you support. This was my first year to ever make a donation, and it was to Norml.
[Paul Armentano responds: So true. Massachusetts is considering regulating marijuana because a NORML representative submitted a bill to the legislature by request. Lawmakers held a hearing because thousands of concerned citizens in the state wrote their state legislators in support of the bill. Very similar situation in California. NORML can’t legalize marijuana by itself but the people can.]
This is great news! Good luck Cali!
Any chance of a video or audio taping of the hearing? I’d love to know what’s been said.
To all of ya thinkin on movin to cali, hold up. All it will take is one domino to fall and the rest will too.
This would be nice and beneficial for California.
And would allow law enforcement to focus on more serious crimes.
Good luck, California! All eyes are upon you.
#52 I myself think Iowa will b last cause of what Grassley said about Medical marijuana.He said theres no need to legalize medical marijuana cuz it will lead to harder drugs.I scratched my F@#%kin head and said is he serious……..lol.
What about New York?
when Massachusetts did this, it was not even on TV news…
Let`s Think outside the Box for a moment here, What if the Cannabis plant is an essential part of Human development? Wow, What implications that might have, Could the lack of use be connected to an increase in Cancer or other Health problems that we just don`t understand yet because of lack of research? Do research in Countries where Cannabis has been Consumed as a Food Product and look at their health statistics, See If the differ very much from ours.
NOT just talking about THC, What about the other compounds in the Cannabis Plant that have nothing to do with being psychoactive substances. Endocannabinoids in the Human brain? Seems like we were somehow Meant to be connected to this Plant and it`s use, It does provide the human body with oils and chemicals found NOWHERE else in Nature.
It might just prove to have many more good reasons for being on this Planet than we could imagine.
This is history in the making.
This could either be very good or very very bad for legalizing marijuana in Cali if they fuck up the debate then it may be another 40 years before they decide to open up a discussion about marijuana laws again
Legalizing marijuana and realizing that people who want to use it, will use it anyway despite laws against is common sense. Smoking a medicinal herb is a victimless crime, and doesn’t even harm the user. Why should the government harm the user in a fruitless attempt to “correct him/her” by throwing him/her in jail to have to deal with other violent criminals!?!??!!
It takes more sense to work at McDonalds that decide what side to be on in the legalization debate.
Legalize, tax, regulate. Government, we give you control. We want you to have control. Government, please, please, please tax the herb. Charge me higher taxes than other products even, I could care less. Whatever you want. Don’t let the drug cartels tax me though.
its for legalize all 50 states?……when will have debate for legalize all 50 states? im sick of marijuana being illegal and alcohol is a fuckin drug!
C’MON FLORIDA NEED TO LEGALIZE TOO!! THERE IS MANY MILLIONS OF POTHEAD HERE! LEGALIZE IT IN HERE PLEASE!
[Paul Armentano responds: Legalization can only begin when enough constituents can convince a like minded legislator (or preferably legislators) to introduce a bill to do so. Then the debate and the hearings begin. This is what happened and is happening in Massachusetts and in California, and will happen next year in several other states, including (most likely) Texas. NORML does not have the power to introduce bills into the state legislature, but you do. Use that power. Visit NORML’s Take Action/Capwiz page and please take time to get involved in the legislative process.]
I just e-mailed my Representative. Everyone – be that bug in the ear of someone with a vote. Support with action.
This is only a debate , nothing more .
Come listen to a story about a man named Jed
A poor mountaineer, barely kept his family fed,
Then one day he was shootin’ at some food,
And up from the ground came a bubblin’ crude.
Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.
Well the first thing you know ol’ Jed’s a millionaire,
His kinfolk said, ‘Jed, move away from there!’
They said, ‘Californy is the place you oughtta be.’
So, they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly.
Hills, that is, Swimmin’ pools, movie stars.
Well now its time to say goodbye to Jed and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin’ in.
You’re all invited back next week to this locality
To have a heapin’ helpin’ of their hospitality
Hillybilly that is. Set a spell, Take your shoes off.
Y’all come back now, y’hear?
About time! We need a NORML chapter here in Delaware, too. I’m packin’ my bags and movin’ to Calliforny.
#28:
http://copssaylegalize.blogspot.com/
Tuesday, October 27, 2009
Press Release: LEAP Testifies for Marijuana Legalization in Calif.
Posted by LEAP
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 27, 2009
CONTACT: Tom Angell – (202) 557-4979 or media@leap.cc
CALIF. SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE TO TESTIFY FOR LEGALIZING MARIJUANA
Legalization Bill Gets Historic Hearing in California Assembly on Wednesday
SACRAMENTO, CA — A conservative California Superior Court judge from Orange County will tell legislators on Wednesday that it is time to legalize and tax marijuana after what he saw during his 26 years of sending drug offenders to jail from the bench.
“Based upon my observations, our laws of marijuana prohibition are literally putting our children in harm’s way,” said Judge James P. Gray, a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), an international group of cops, judges and prosecutors who no longer believe in the drug laws they once swore to enforce. “Ask teenagers, and they will tell you the same thing that they tell me: it is easier for them to get marijuana today than it is alcohol. Why? Because today the illicit sellers of marijuana don’t ask for I.D.”
WHO: Calif. Superior Court Judge James Gray, other advocates for marijuana legalization
WHAT: Hearing on AB 390, The Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act
WHEN: Wednesday, October 28; 10:00 AM PST – 1:00 PM PST
WHERE: Room 126; California State Capitol; Sacramento, CA
Judge Gray retired from the bench earlier this year. Previously, he served as a federal prosecutor in Los Angeles and in the Navy JAG Corps as a defense attorney and judge advocate. He wrote the book “Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed and What We Can Do About It: A Judicial Indictment of the War on Drugs.”
Also testifying at Wednesday’s hearing about the benefits of legalizing marijuana will be representatives of the California Board of Equalization, the ACLU, the Drug Policy Alliance and others.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), 15,000-member organization representing police, prosecutors, judges, FBI/DEA agents and others from around the world who want to legalize and regulate all drugs after fighting on the front lines of the “war on drugs” and learning firsthand that prohibition only serves to worsen addiction and violence.
Of course those who speak out against it are Law Enforcement… what happened to “We don’t write the laws, we just enforce them?” Go arrest real criminals- oh wait, that actually takes work. Cannabis is already decriminalized in Cali, what’s their issue with taking it all the way and REGULATING and TAXING it to keep the profits out of the hands of dealers and cartel? Oh yea, their stupid DRUG WAR FUNDING. And can’t forget “the children, oh god think of the children!!!”. Well guess what, drug dealers don’t check IDs (I sure as hell didn’t when I was a dealer, I made a shitload off high schoolers) whereas when it’s regulated stores can get FINED and LOSE THEIR LICENSE if they sell to a minor! My only issues with this law are the age limit and the tax. 21? Really? College students and young adults in the military are still gonna be criminals! That’s counter-productive. And the $50 an oz tax is rather prohibitive. In a legal market, cannabis could very well drop below $50 an oz, thus making the tax over 100%, all that tax will do is keep the price of cannabis artificially high and possibly still keep the black market somewhat alive like it is with cigarettes in some parts of the country. I would prefer a standard sales tax (~9% in Cali) and MAYBE a special percentage based tax (a 2-3% “cannabis tax”) but I do not agree with a flat dollar amount tax at all. My two cents. Good luck Cali, and if you’re gonna do it… do it right please so that the nation doesn’t look at it as another failed “krazy kalifornian” experiment.
#28:
LEAP Testifies for Marijuana Legalization in Calif.
October 27, 2009
CALIF. SUPERIOR COURT JUDGE TO TESTIFY FOR LEGALIZING MARIJUANA
Legalization Bill Gets Historic Hearing in California Assembly on Wednesday
SACRAMENTO, CA — A conservative California Superior Court judge from Orange County will tell legislators on Wednesday that it is time to legalize and tax marijuana after what he saw during his 26 years of sending drug offenders to jail from the bench.
“Based upon my observations, our laws of marijuana prohibition are literally putting our children in harm’s way,” said Judge James P. Gray, a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), an international group of cops, judges and prosecutors who no longer believe in the drug laws they once swore to enforce. “Ask teenagers, and they will tell you the same thing that they tell me: it is easier for them to get marijuana today than it is alcohol. Why? Because today the illicit sellers of marijuana don’t ask for I.D.”
WHO: Calif. Superior Court Judge James Gray, other advocates for marijuana legalization
WHAT: Hearing on AB 390, The Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act
WHEN: Wednesday, October 28; 10:00 AM PST – 1:00 PM PST
WHERE: Room 126; California State Capitol; Sacramento, CA
Judge Gray retired from the bench earlier this year. Previously, he served as a federal prosecutor in Los Angeles and in the Navy JAG Corps as a defense attorney and judge advocate. He wrote the book “Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed and What We Can Do About It: A Judicial Indictment of the War on Drugs.”
Also testifying at Wednesday’s hearing about the benefits of legalizing marijuana will be representatives of the California Board of Equalization, the ACLU, the Drug Policy Alliance and others.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), 15,000-member organization representing police, prosecutors, judges, FBI/DEA agents and others from around the world who want to legalize and regulate all drugs after fighting on the front lines of the “war on drugs” and learning firsthand that prohibition only serves to worsen addiction and violence.
please let good things come of this
Anyone know if this will be broadcast on any television, radio or internet station? I live in Pittsburgh and know that we have a television channel we can watch. I think its called CSpan2 but I could be wrong. Either way I would love to listen in if I could. If I cant then I wish good luck to everyone fighting the good fight. This is a big deal for our cause, hope we can make the best of it.
I think that a detailed outline of how legislation for this type of issue would progress would be informative for those of us not versed in law. I’m sure it would also answer a lot of questions frequently asked on the comments section. Does something like this exist? I can’t seem to find it on the NORML page..
[Paul Armentano responds: Over-simplified version: Lawmaker introduces a bill. That bill is assigned to a Committee. The bill sits in Committee until the Chair of that Committee schedules it for a hearing. Following the hearing the Chair may or may not call for a vote. If the bill passes out of Committee it is typically assigned to a second Committee and the process begins again. After it has passed Committee it will go to the floor. The chair of the chamber may or may not call it for a floor vote. If a majority of the full chamber passes the bill it goes over to the second chamber (either House or Senate) where it is assigned to Committee and the process begins again. If the other chamber passes the bill but alters it in any way the bill then goes to Conference Committee where both chambers must agree on similar language and approve it. Then it goes to the Governor who may sign it into law or veto it. That, in a nutshell, is how a bill becomes law. It is a long, arduous process.]
DONT FORGET TO MENTION TOMORROW THAT THE REGULATION OF MARIJUANA WILL CREATE JOBS!
this better fucking happen no more dicussing even if its not legal they need to hold a offical vote where people actually vote in booths for it
MARIJUANA IS SATAN’S BAIT. GOD IS LOVE
I used to smoke marijuana a lot. In fact, just about everyday for a couple years. I loved it until recently.
Now as a born again Christian, I realize that marijuana is simply a tool Satan uses to gain access into our lives by opening our souls up to the power of the devil’s spirit. It basically gives Satan an open doorway into the minds of people.
Here’s one of the many examples I will list: paranoia. That is fear, and marijuana will make you paranoid (sooner or later). The devil wants us to live in fear. He has come to kill, steal and destroy.
What is God? God is LOVE.
NOT FEAR! No, not fear, because with faith in God, faith OVERCOMES fear! God blesses and never lies, Satan takes from us and is a deceiver.
I am expecting to get some hate comments towards me for saying this. Curse me all you want. I used to be a follower for marijuana legalization but I have turned my back on one of Satan’s drugs. God is the only way for TRUE HAPPINESS. He is everything we can ever want. All we have to do is accept what Jesus did for us and accept God’s love and he will show us what he is really about. God is awesome!
Drugs don’t give us anything but temporary happiness and self destruction. No matter how innocent they seem to be and look, they are just tools Satan uses to deceive us into following another spirit, which is the spirit of the anti-christ. I am done with marijuana forever now that I know the truth.
God is the way. Not drugs.
I used to smoke marijuana a lot. In fact, just about everyday for a couple years. I loved it until recently.
Now as a born again Christian, I realize that marijuana is simply a tool Satan uses to gain access into our lives by opening our souls up to the power of the devil’s spirit. It basically gives Satan an open doorway into the minds of people.
Here’s one of the many examples I will list: paranoia. That is fear, and marijuana will make you paranoid (sooner or later). The devil wants us to live in fear. He has come to kill, steal and destroy.
What is God? God is LOVE.
NOT FEAR! No, not fear, because with faith in God, faith OVERCOMES fear! God blesses and never lies, Satan takes from us and is a deceiver.
I am expecting to get some hate comments towards me for saying this. Curse me all you want. I used to be a follower for marijuana legalization but I have turned my back on one of Satan’s drugs. God is the only way for TRUE HAPPINESS. He is everything we can ever want. All we have to do is accept what Jesus did for us and accept God’s love and he will show us what he is really about. God is awesome!
Drugs don’t give us anything but temporary happiness and self destruction. No matter how innocent they seem to be and look, they are just tools Satan uses to deceive us into following another spirit, which is the spirit of the anti-christ. I am done with marijuana forever now that I know the truth.
God is the way. Not drugs.
I used to smoke marijuana a lot. In fact, just about everyday for a couple years. I loved it until recently.
Now as a born again Christian, I realize that marijuana is simply a tool Satan uses to gain access into our lives by opening our souls up to the power of the devil’s spirit. It basically gives Satan an open doorway into the minds of people.
Here’s one of the many examples I will list: paranoia. That is fear, and marijuana will make you paranoid (sooner or later). The devil wants us to live in fear. He has come to kill, steal and destroy.
What is God? God is LOVE.
NOT FEAR! No, not fear, because with faith in God, faith OVERCOMES fear! God blesses and never lies, Satan takes from us and is a deceiver.
I am expecting to get some hate comments towards me for saying this. Curse me all you want. I used to be a follower for marijuana legalization but I have turned my back on one of Satan’s drugs. God is the only way for TRUE HAPPINESS. He is everything we can ever want. All we have to do is accept what Jesus did for us and accept God’s love and he will show us what he is really about. God is awesome!
Drugs don’t give us anything but temporary happiness and self destruction. No matter how innocent they seem to be and look, they are just tools Satan uses to deceive us into following another spirit, which is the spirit of the anti-christ. I am done with marijuana forever now that I know the truth.
Keep God #1 in your life and he will take you places you’ve never dreamed of. Yeaa boy!
Love of God, Not Happiness From Marijuana
I used to smoke marijuana a lot. In fact, just about everyday for a couple years. I loved it until recently.
Now as a born again Christian, I realize that marijuana is simply a tool Satan uses to gain access into our lives by opening our souls up to the power of the devil’s spirit. It basically gives Satan an open doorway into the minds of people.
Here’s one of the many examples I will list: paranoia. That is fear, and marijuana will make you paranoid (sooner or later). The devil wants us to live in fear. He has come to kill, steal and destroy.
What is God? God is LOVE.
NOT FEAR! No, not fear, because with faith in God, faith OVERCOMES fear! God blesses and never lies, Satan takes from us and is a deceiver.
I am expecting to get some hate comments towards me for saying this. Curse me all you want. I used to be a follower for marijuana legalization but I have turned my back on one of Satan’s drugs. God is the only way for TRUE HAPPINESS. He is everything we can ever want. All we have to do is accept what Jesus did for us and accept God’s love and he will show us what he is really about. God is awesome!
Drugs don’t give us anything but temporary happiness and self destruction. No matter how innocent they seem to be and look, they are just tools Satan uses to deceive us into following another spirit, which is the spirit of the anti-christ. I am done with marijuana forever now that I know the truth.
God is the way. Not drugs.
Wow! California is getting it done. The facts towards legalization are so logical. It pisses me off to even listen to the opposition. But, people who don’t want it to be legal, have an awful lot of money to buy votes. Don’t get your hopes up, yet. Thanks NORML.
Please keep getting the word out, educating, and fighting.
let’s finally make this happen.
If you’re looking for a good resource on informational videos on cannabis and the current state of the situation, have them check out CannabisTV.org
As much as I hope it goes well, it probably won’t. It will be like those “debates” on cnn where one idiot who doesn’t know anything says everything and no one else gets a chance.
But, only time will tell…
12:20 A:M: California time & i can’t sleep Alot is on my mind thinking…… ” We will win this war just by telling the thruth “. Telling the truth means God is on our side verses their side with lies of the many ( politicians ) & deceptive advertising by those Companies ( drug , alcohol and ….. ) as previously mentioned .
Their side is the side of Satan the Devil , the Master of Deception . Their side lusts with greed & money and dominance over the World .
” THOU SHALT NOT LIE ”
They shall worship the Earth and the treasures they made . They are proud of their lies and they are the Devil whom uses deception as a tool to deceive the World .
***** Pfizer , Inc.’s 68 BILLION purchase of Wyeth has closed after U.S. & Canadian antitrust regulators cleared the deal which will make Pfizner the WORLD’S largest drugmaker by revenue ……….
CHILDREN!!! GATEWAY! LOL.
its about time this is happening. its begun
congrats cali, you know ill be visiting asap
Great News! I am very optimistic that this law will pass in the great state of CA and it will make a chain reaction of legalization in other states. Unfortuanatly I live in TX, where it probably will become one of the last states to legalize weed, but with constant protesting as which is done now, I expect all of the states to legalize. Thank you Obama and CA for making this thing happen. If it was not for the two, it would be many years for legalization to come, but thanks to them it won’t be long now. My prediction, 1-5 years for full legalization, depending if the feds want to just go ahead and legalize. One more thing fellow potsmokers, we have to think positively about this situation. I truly think that weed would have been legal years ago if people thought more optimisticly, which unfortuanatly alot of people have the habbit of not doing in USA. People always think that bad things are gonna happen I have learned in life that being optimistic gets you things you want and thats damn well true. I hope your reading this Paul Armentano because I would love nothing more than for weed to be legal. I will say this right now. WEED WILL BE LEGAL IN THE GREAT COUNTRY OF AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hell Yea!!!! Thats What All State’s Should Do!!!!
I will be moving to cali if this it ever becomes legal to buy and smoke marijuana. Think of all the money that will be made on taxes. This would be awesome. I’m going back to sleep now it’s as if I’m having a very good dream. WAY TO GO NORML!
Wow, good job to everyone and GO Calif!! Now, if we can get Illinois to quit dragging their feet.
Gratz to Cali… here in Texas we will prob be the last state to legalize it… Way to go guys
First Mass. and now Cali.! BTW does anyone know what happened with the Mass. debate a few weeks ago?
Judge Gray is the ace in the hole. Glad to see he can make it in support of legalization.
IT IS TIME TO START TELLING THE TRUTH.
Anyone who is against legalization well, What part of telling the truth do you not believe in?
please show full video of this .
I wonder ifs going to happen i hope so!!!!But what about georgia???; )
Can we please have a update tomorrow on how it went unlike the coverage of the Mass debate.
HA! LAWL
Very gratifying to hear, for someone like me who spent 30 yrs in federal prison for a non-violent marijuana offense.
If passed California will become the tourist destination for millions of Americans who want to experience the pleasure of enjoying cannibis without fear.
Something every drunk enjoys when he buys a beer.
as happy as i am to hear this (ABSOLUTELY EXSTATICK to be honest) I tend to think this is a very premature because obviously law enforcement, and D.E.A. will have alot to say against it and on top of it all,it still leaves the B.S. discrepancy between state and federal law. everybody cross your fingers and hope for the best!!!!
LEGALIZE IT!!!!!!!
I raise my Blunt to this
Wow NORML, take the second one out please, sorry for the double post.
#50 – one question officers that oppose legalization should be asked repeatedly is: “in your experience, would you rather go on a call for alcohol or marijuana? AND which call is easier to handle, the drunk or the mellow smoker?”
I agree with Michael…Indiana is has nothing going for it. So go California!
I want everyone to notice the posting by MatterofLiberty, where he / she talks about the police & their manipulation of laws when they should only be enforcing them; not rallying together as a group to oppose stuff that the people do want. MatterofLiberty says:
“But I was wondering, will anyone other than Law Enforcement Reps be there in opposition? Furthermore isnt it a bit off for Law Enforcement to have any say so like this? I mean how many Cannibus users have been hauled off in cuffs by some cop toting the line “I dont make the Laws I just enforce them!” and here they will be trying to actively continue a cycle of persecution against otherwise law abiding citizens.Sure if an officer is a concerned citizen he should LOUDLY expressive his oppinion as a private citizen NOT as part of an organization designed to do the bidding of the PEOPLE.”
I agree, why are the police making the laws now? They are only supposed to be enoforcing them! Has anyone taken note of this? What do you think about this, NORML?
did it???
Hey !!!
How come NORML deleted my message ? I have said nothing but , good things about NORML & have even encouraged donations be sent to NORML .Now , after what i posted NORML has stabbed me in the back .I am no longer allowded to post ? I thought your motto is ; NORML IS FREEDOM .
[Editor’s note: ?]
Why $25-$50 an ounce in tax? Sounds excessive to me.
Opps , sorry NORML . I see my post went all the way back to # 98 . That’s what happens when your up all night .
Kevin # 90 = B.S. brought to you by the BIG three . Kevin , works for = A Pharmacy
B Pfizner
C Bartender
E Beer delivery
F Pharma delivery
G Delivers tobacco
H Etc.
Lets go California…. AND Massachusetts!!! LEGALIZE If you live in these 2 states, make phone calls! write letters! write e-mails! do all 3… and network! get everyone to do the same…. all we need is 1 state to legalize and then the domino effect will appear
Is anyone recording this?
Wow, this is amazing! You guys ought to be watching the live webcast. So far, everyone is on the right track.
http://www.calchannel.com/channel/live/4
Well, except for John Standish, Prohibitionist, hypocrite, liar and propagandist.
One of John Standish’s lies is that cannabis/hemp is sprayed with pesticides. From what I understand, cannabis/hemp do not need pesticides. Anyone have any factual/historical info on this?
# 93 – Kevin ………your so full of it that when the wind blows to the West i can smell you all the way out here .
Don’t tell us how bad Marijuana is when you drink beer , wine , take pills , drink coffee . YOU LYING HYPOCRITE .
You are the Devil himself .
No, Sara Simpson, those who use cannabis do NOT always want higher THC levels. What a weak and useless argument.
Again, I find it interesting how it seems that it’s only Law Enforcement who wants to keep pot illegal and refuse to look at the alternatives. Blindly following their wrongful notions. How sad.
I feel bad for everyone in the southeast and mid-west hahah reform and change is easily 20-30 years away, sorry but when you can’t keep roads smooth or deliver high-speed internet, Marijuana legalization is not on top of the to-do list. hahha
Ammiano called the hearing a “long overdue discussion of how to best regulate and tax marijuana.”
It seems as though this is not a debate whether or not to legalize, rather how to do it best. I like the wording of his sentence. Very positive I say
p.s. Marijuana is the forbidden fruit, it’s not an apple, not a banana but Marijuana, the fruit of knowledge. If it’s not please explain how it is the only plant to have a distinct variant between male and female?
Wow, half these comments make us look like idiots. I suppose humans never fail to be human.
…Hooray, California! Cheers!
@Kevin. Sir I believe that feeling of paranoia you were experiencing is due to the laws/penalties/persecutions against the substance and not actually using it. The only time I ever felt like that is after I got busted for smoking. Since I don’t consume anymore I still feel paranoia at times and it’s not because of using. Could be that I see how many fall to the “majority” rule of thumb? It’s because I see how the world is these days and how many years I’ve lacked worldly permanence. I’d like to believe that this world can be good and ppl can be good. The truth is their are those that feed on the good of the earth and others and profit from it for their own personal gain. Paranoia? Maybe just a little. Not as much as as I think it is watching my own azz but I digress.
The reverend made some amazing, irrefutable points.
California is making strides of progress, Massachusetts has decriminalized, and for some reason the rest of New England can’t catch up. CT, VT, NH, I’m calling you out. In my home state (CT) having any amount of pot, even a single seed within 1500 feet of a school can get you a two year mandatory sentence.
There are too many conservative minds here that ruin lives of otherwise innocent college students just looking for a good time.
SOOOO…..when is the update on yesterdays news?????
Kevin # 90, Quit Thumping your Bible, Open it and Read It, Start with Genesis, God put the Plants here and saw they were good, NOT Satan You Idiot. Better know what you are talking about before you start thumping that Book. (I don`t like debating Religion but I dislike Ignorance)
Wow, Sally Fairchild’s script must have been written by Harry Anslinger’s offspring as it sounds like pure prohibitionist propaganda. Love how she acts so serious and knowledgeable, but continues down the biased, unthinking, unaccepting, close-minded, law enforcement power trip, way of “thinking”. Interesting to know that our executive law enforcement is so twisted in its thinking. Again, makes you wonder who they’re really working for.
Rosalie Pacula
What do yall think that watch that just then???think Its going to happend
Tom Ammiano is my new hero!
I see alot of ppl dont get it they keep saying the kids the kids…But the thing is there wrong be cause it would be way harder to get weed if you had to be 21 an had to go the store and get it…i thnk any ways just make it legel all ready…
can we get a summary of the debate went? its almost bowl-packing time and i dont have anything to celebrate yet.
SLAYER.
hey truth, your #98 is posted….is that the one you missed? you might get some more sleep.ha
RECALCITRATE: To resist or oppose, show strong objection or repugnance.
IGNORMOUS: An enormously ignorant thought, act, or suggestion.
I know these are ten dollar words, but they best describe in “ONE WORD,” our true regards towards prohibitionists.
“IT’S ALL CHANGING…SO SAYS THE FEDS.”
No one is “RESISTANT TO CHANGE”…that’s how we grow as individuals, and as a people. It’s a God almighty law. “THE ONLY PERMANENT THING IN LIFE IS CHANGE.” What we are “RECALCITRATE” about is “NO CHANGE” on the part of prohibs. We “EXPERIENCE EVERYTHING CHANGING” except for our rights, which remain prohibited. So then! it’s the prohib that “RESISTS CHANGE,” and stunts the growth of a humane society. It’s hard enough to go through the constant battle between good and evil that takes place within my self, without constantly banging my head against the prohibs wall of “IGNORMOUS RESISTANCE”…and…if that’s insulting, then I offer no apologies…and…can only ask “L” to forgive them, for they know not what they do. If 85% “IN FAVOR” is not a good reason to submit to majority rule, and the rule of law, [then] I don’t know what is, [and] it becomes absolutely evident that there is a much greater motivation than the truth. It’s either the bonehead of all bonehead positions, or a deception and cover up far beyond understanding. Either way!…there is but one thing to say! Granted!
it is a two sided coin…but…85% of the coin is one sided. It’s a one sided win.
Manford Mantis
After I read post 93 I just couldn’t stop laughing. Typical opinion of a hypocritical Christian. The devil be possessing me!@!@@ lawdy lawdy!#!!!
I’m Christian myself, and marijuana being illegal is more of an evil act that using it responsibly.
“THE TRUTH DOCTOR” is a forum-comment-troll that comes around here looking for attention. I believe he posts under several different “titles”, and causes randomness to be had. Best to ignore him.
To Kevin:
Hi Kevin. I am a Christian, and I smoke pot.
God said, “Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth….to you it will be for meat…. And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:29-31)
What God calls “good” you can’t call bad. End of argument.
OH an if you get paranoid its cuz you’re smokin that ditch weed! lol. I smoke good, home grown herb I am never paranoid.
So how did it turn out?
Any Idea of how it went today?
if kevin isnt smokeing pot then he wouldn’t be on this site cause this is that last place to try get me to hear that bs… right now i cant smoke pot and i am still here to see whats going on in the news of freeing the best plant alive! FREE ME AND MY LOVE!!! any news yet in cali?
#34 budsmoker: could you imagine sheriff joe if weed is legalized in ariona? he would have a anyurism (i probably spelled that wrong)
Check it out, Jesus healed using cannabis oil:
http://cannabis.net/articles/jesus.html
I just wish people that are religious look into the role that cannabis really did play in the bible. The bible has cannabis references all throughout it, as well as cannabis playing a large part in the lives of the people who wrote the book at the time. The bible loves cannabis, the people who wrote the bible love cannabis, and one day we’ll all know that as common fact.
#93 Kevin: I am an atheist and I find your preaching amusing. It takes me back to the days when I thought all Christians were blowhards. Here is a little hint for you…religion is a much more dangerous drug than pot. And you want to be a pusher…
how did it go? is it legal now?
norml needs a web forum. comments are great for the blogs, but it looks like a bigger conversation is trying to take place here.
I asked the officer at school if his k-9 could smell pills, he said it was against the law to train it to smell a legal substance.
Another officer informed me that Amsterdam is full of litter due to pot being legal.
It is all a racket! not illegal pot, no $$$!!
By the way, this is red ribbon week, schools every where are spreading inaccurate information about all drugs. I attempt each year to inform my fellow educators about the real killer of teens; alcohol and autos.
I know more students who have a pot possession charge than alcohol charges. The scariest thing is, i know a lot of students hook on pharms pills, meth, and nicotine.
Yes!! ITS FINALLY HAPPENING! Once they legalize it , hopefully every state will ! That is the smartest thing to do. They should at least try it and see what actually happens!!!!
Heres an update
Ammiano Holds 1st Hearing On Pot Legalization
http://cbs5.com/politics/california.marijuana.legalization.2.1277118.html
No tie-dye was on display at a standing-room only hearing held by a California lawmaker on Wednesday in a bid to get his marijuana legalization bill taken seriously.
Instead, suits and sober discussion were the rule at the state Capitol as Assemblyman Tom Ammiano presided over what his office said was the first legislative consideration of the issue since California banned the drug in 1913.
Though both sides of the debate were heard at the hearing, Ammiano has long had his mind made up.
At a news conference before the hearing, the San Francisco Democrat and former comedian called the criminalization of marijuana a failed policy that denies the state significant revenue.
And despite opposition from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ammiano said he believed the bill put the state in a position to set the national agenda.
“I think we have a real shot at it, particularly in the context of it being in some ways bigger than California,” Ammiano said.
His bill would tax and regulate marijuana in the state much like alcohol. Adults 21 and older could legally possess, grow and sell marijuana. The state would charge a $50-per-ounce fee and a 9 percent tax on retail sales.
While at least one poll showed a slight majority of Californians would support a tax-and-regulate scheme for pot, the bill’s chances remain hazy. Skeptics have questioned whether the state could truly enforce a tax on marijuana, especially since the paper trail could lead federal prosecutors straight to sellers’ doors.
Speakers at the hearing touched on most issues common to the marijuana debate, including whether legalization would increase or decrease crime, raise or cost the state money and help or hurt children.
No vote was taken at the hearing, described as “informational.” The proposal has been referred to the public safety and health committees, which will consider in January whether to send the bill to the full Assembly.
(© 2009 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)
SO what happened? This is such a huge step.
I can’t wait to hear the results from these hearings. I hope that good news comes from them. Times are changing and for once the winds are on our backs, so spread your wings and fly with it!
You would never get paranoid if it were legal. Why be afraid of getting caught smoking something legal?
Heres to real change. Not that shit Obama promises.
to kevin
marijuana is a plant
plants are alive
god created all living things
god created marijuana
Well, what happened at the debate??
Well if it becomes legal the prez. should use his power of amnesty to pardon all the non-violent marijuana offenders……….. Do you think this will happen if cannabis becomes legal?……. it makes me sad to see all the innocent lives wasting away in prison or denied privileges such as scholarships for stupid marijuana charges.
Mr.Obama can easily free the people.
amen kevin, it’s hard not to smoke pot because it is so harmless to the body and much better then alcohol but after much discernment i too know that marijuana is not the answer and only God is. If you smoke marijuana you alter your brain, you become high, in becoming you high you disregard God as you say this is they way i want to be because of the pleasure it gives me, not the clearness of sobriety.
To be free is your ability to choose, to not slave yourself to some vice is freedom.
In saying this I am still for legalization because you can only be moral if you have a free will, and if the law rids one of his or her free will you can never be as moral as you would be if you had that free will. So legalize NORML!
ALL OF OHIO send those letters i have sent one to one of our reps and i got a reply saying they are forever against marijuana………………… THEY are supposed to be representing US…… make them realize that.
#130 you are so right, but I’ll tell ya, Michigan seems a stone’s (no pun intended, or was there?) throw away from following California, at least being in line.
Hey y’all, we all know that Kevin (90-93) is full of something, but so far out there that there’s no point in trying to argue with him. Don’t prolong his misery.
IN the meantime, my kitchen table just started sliding across the floor. Tipping Point, here we come!
Well done California, lets hope they throw the entire law out and simply legalise, regulate and tax.
OK all you Aussies who are feeling good about the USA right now, time we all started to get real about the BS our government continues to spread, we now need to stand up and fight for our rights.
It is time to expose Nicola Roxon and her NCPIC as the propaganda for their war against us, it is also time everyone actually looked at the treaty and learned it was signed with the knowledge of breaching our Constitution and Human Rights.
So from now on, do not plead guilty to grow, possess and use, you are either using for personal medical or you are a compassion club supplying according to the treaty as the government have refused to live up to their responsibility.
Remember the treaty is in breach of our constitution and human rights, therefore you need to put that argument in the first court you are in.
We will be in court August 2010, in Melbourne, we have been able to bring about changes already in Victorian courts, we will continue to push the unconstitutional and international laws that are also being breached and there are federal laws that Roxon herself is in total breach of within her position as health minister.
For those of you who do not know how to contact me etp@lightningdezignz.com.au
Time for a revolution, time to stand up and make them listen and time for us to bring about an end to the war.
actually, Kyle Says:
October 28th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
assuming he existed, the oil jesus used to anoint ppl was cannabis oil, J C was a stoner, go research it
I was hoping this web site would have been up dated a at least to let us know what happened today at the debate
well where is the news on the debate??
Can someone please tell me where in the bible it says that all must be sober or your evil. And who says were all christian and should have religion make our laws. They have that in the middle east and ask any Iranian how thats going for them.
RIGHT ON CALIF!!! I lIVE IN CALIFORNIA!! BE HAPPY! LOL
Kevin, let me ask you – who created alcohol? Man. Who created cannabis? God. Also, if you wanna get technical with it, unless you eat ONLY vitamin suppliments and drink only water, YOU are using Satan’s many tools. Hell, let’s face it – to avoid his “tools,” you would also have to:
1. Live in a 150% pollution free environment
2. Use horses and mules as transportation
3. Watch absolutely no TV
4. Listen to no music except Gospel
5. Read nothing but the Bible
There are many more, but you get the point. And don’t get me wrong, I also am a very devout Christian. You know how versitile and useful this plant is to people. You also know that their is no overdose risk involved. And please don’t get me started on its economic value. From a Christian point of view on the plant:
Genisis 1: 11-12
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
Then verses 29 and 30
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
Please don’t come off on here preaching God, because not every Christian has the same views as you. I am a very devout believer, and I found your comments to be offensive from a Christian point of view. God Himself said we are free to partake of EVERY plant on the Earth. The last I checked, cannabis starts with a seed, sprouts roots, grows out of the ground and develops flowers and leaves. By speaking out against this plant so vohemently, you are insulting something God gave us to enjoy, and pushing people to reject it. If you do not support this movement, please feel free to keep your comments to yourself. Because all of us here believe in the freedom of choice.
im movin to cali if this goes down flatout
Here’s what happened:
http://news.google.com/news/search?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=Ammiano+marijuana&cf=all&as_qdr=d&as_drrb=q
#155 rick
yeah dude sheriff joes a real deuche he’d be pullin some corrupt shit on us AZ stoners if we were ever caught slipin man
legalize or die…
I’m posting from Japan as known as totalitarianic nation… I’m not christian but I know even bible says about holy herb, and I have no doubt of it. But also, in Japan, we have the shirine which set up weed as GOD in Tokushima from ancient time. Anyway, I’m very glad to hear the progress in Carifornia!!
I am eager to hear how it went.
Kyle, that’s interesting, because when I get high, I PRAISE God. But hey, maybe that’s just me.
what will it due to people who are currently under 21 and have their rec and use it legitimately. i have several mental health issues, that i have had since birth and i went from taking 8 prescription pills that were ridiculously high(im a big person so i had a big tolerance) to just smoking weed and taking 0 prescriptions. i turn 20 in march
My rev. here at the Temple420 Chapter in RVA just got a huge investor to set up a temple in Maryland and then he’s going to pay for the chapter in RVA to get its own temple. If i lived over in Cali though, i’d visit the person personally to tell them to vote for it, it means a lot more than a phone call! C’mon people! Hoping for the best
Legalize, Stop making Criminals out of peace Loving Americans, What ever happened to Freedom of Choice? Nobody in recorded History has ever died from an overdose, It has a Safer History than ANY other Drug out there (4000 Years, FDA – How much MORE time do you need? It`s SAFE!) and it is Just an Herb! So many products can be made from Non-Psychoactive Hemp also. GET WITH IT!!!
Whatever Happened to This?
State Sovereignty
The 10th Amendment states:
“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
The Constitution delegated few, enumerated powers to the Federal Government, reserving all remaining powers to the States and the people. Thus, powers of the Federal were the exception.
Our federal republic was created by joint action of the several states. It has been gradually perverted into a socialist machine for federal control in the domestic affairs of the states.
The federal government has no authority to mandate policies relating to state education, natural resources, transportation, private business, housing, and health care, ad infinitum.
We call upon the states to reclaim their legitimate role in federal affairs and legislation (See Amendment 10 United States Constitution) and thus cause the federal government to divest itself of operations not authorized by the Constitution and extract the federal government from such enterprises, whether or not they compete with private enterprise.
I don`t remember seeing anywhere any doctrine that nullifies the 10th Amendment.
?Does California enjoy the same options that Texas Has?
http://www.texassecede.com/
We are sick and tired of having the Drug Cartels get money that should stay in The U.S.
only if New Orleans would do that…
here’s a tip, Uncle Sam, u wanna beat pedro and leroy slangin on the corner, make it legal and sell it cheaper. get rid of foreign drug smugglers and help end the fucking budget. If we got our heads out of our ass and legalized this shit it’d be alot easier. I can see the demand for hard drugs diminishing if marijuana is legalized.
weed is not a drug and 79% of my school agrees with me. im passing out flyers all over byron nelson high school
weed is a fucking plant!! not a drug! it grows in the ground! so all u mother fuckers who say its a drug an it messes ur mind up, go to hell
Law enforcement’s legitimate role is to enforce the will of the people, not enforce their will on people. Just say “No” to stupid and re-legalize cannabis immediately. Failure to re-legalize cannabis is a violation of God’s will for people to live in freedom with liberty as acknowledged and cited in the Constitution of the United States. It is unconstitutional and inhumane to deprive people of treatment that works for them. Prohibiting the commercial cultivation of industrial hemp is the very definition of the word stupid. If you don’t like cannabis, then don’t consume it, leaving more for those that do. Otherwise, prohibitionists should mind their own business and stop trying to run other people’s lives. By the way, prohibitionists had better start getting ready to pay war reparations for their evil, cruel, disasterously failed “War on Drugs.”
#178. Luke.
Thanks for saying that Luke. I am a follower of Christ and feel the same way. As do a a lot of my freinds.
Why do so many people insist upon bringing religion into this debate? KEEP THY RELIGION TO THYSELF. People of various different religions across the globe for thousands of years have used marijuana and other conscousness altering substances to help them in their spiritual experiences. Although, in the minds of people like Kevin, I assume those folks weren’t committed to “valid” religions and/or spiritual beliefs, because only Christianity is valid and correct (even though it is one of the youngest religions in history, and the only reason it spread like wildfire is because the Romans used it as a control tactic over the teaming masses)…right?
ONLY A debate/ ..you got to be kidding you must be a non supporter!!!!! We have waited way to long to get our story heard! The truth is big here er go again this time nit health INSurance but Big Drug companies spend lots of BIG money lobbying against marijuanna because it helps in so many ways and they can’t get their cut and the cancer patients…..and many many other diseases are helped greatly and the cops wont get their easy bust any more making them go get the other big drug dealers who play hard ball and they might get shot!
Dude I hope to someday see some of this legalization in Alabama but I’ll not hold my breath… We’ve still got counties where you can’t even buy ALCOHOL. :/ Even Mississippi’s marijuana laws are more lenient than AL. That being said, COME ON ALABAMA NORML!! I know you’re out there and I’m trying to find you! Let’s get our shit together and go down fighting to support Alabama’s biggest cash crop!!!
I can’t even put into words how happy this makes me. I’m a college kid who smokes several times a week and am constantly paranoid about losing my loans for getting busted. I’m glad that Cali knows what it means to have freedom of choice. There isn’t a legitimate reason to keep ganj illegal anymore… i hope something comes of this and if it does i think i know where i’m movin after school 🙂 Get er done Cali!!!
Kevin shows no evidence to support his claim . We have shown you evidence taken directly from the Bible to support a natural herb….a gift from GOD , not the man made drugs you love so much . I don’t like anybody pushing any religion on me but , a fact is a fact .
I will pledge that if passed I will bring my 80K retirement income and move to the great state of California……
Ending slavery in our country
End spending our money jailing Americans for making a personal choice.
A personal choice that is proven safer than beer or aspirin.
Ending a 72 year racist war.
I look forward to contributing to the economy of your great state…….
FREEDOM TO ALL AMERICANS REGARDLESS OF THEIR PERSONAL CHOICES.
Cherokee Fred Jesus
hey Kevin, ur never gonna get those wasted sundays praying back! quit spouting your BS! read another book! and keep smoking marijuana it will be legal someday soon.
Kevin Says:
October 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
MARIJUANA IS SATAN’S BAIT. GOD IS LOVE
kevin, (post #90) all i see is you preachin about paranoia and fear, the ONLY reason people get PARANOID is because the FEAR OF BEING BUSTED. if it were legalized there would be nothing to fear, jackass!!!
Give us a follow up,Norml. What happened?!
[Paul Armentano responds: There is an update at the top of this post. There are links to media coverage of the event. Archived video of the entire hearing is available online here:
Part 1 (17:09) – http://www.calchannel.com/channel/viewvideo/798
Part 2 (2:08:52) – http://www.calchannel.com/channel/viewvideo/799
Part 3 (no time) – http://www.calchannel.com/channel/viewvideo/800%5D
@Luke – Excellent post. Thanks for that information 🙂
After watching this I felt like the opposition was holding their ground at legalization, but seemed rather compromising with the idea of decriminalization. Though the latter would be a step in the right direction, it is not satisfactory and is not what we’re fighting for, we want it brought into the market. One woman made a comment at the end during the public comments which I thought was relevant to how I and probably many more cannabis consumers feel. She made a comment about how people who choose alcohol get special treatment, in comparison of course to cannabis users. I agree with that, I’m tired of “hiding in the shadows” so to speak.
Um Kevin dont get me wrong, but the bible does say that God is Everything. You know, the Alpha and the Omega! If I’m wrong then please by all means correct my readding abilities. But for some reason i think that man didnt invent Mj? Anybody els agree with my thinking here. correction to #178 no music at all. Other then that I agree with the post fully. What is the point that your trying to prove by leaving those type of comments on here Kevin. I ask as a life long Christian. Enough of this for me. Right now I need to find out how this thing went.
_-One Love-_
“THE WORDS OF THE PROFITS
ARE WRITTEN ON THE SUBWAY WALLS.”
The California Police Chiefs Association believes that they can blatantly disregard, and simply over-ride laws that they philosophically disagree with by activiely subverting state law. The physical eveidence shows that this rogue group of law enforcement officers are trying to undermine democracy and usurp the rule of law. They are standing directly in the way of We the People’s “RIGHT TO CHOOSE,” and because of that they proliferate a growing disrespect for law enforcement. I want to “RESPECT LAW ENFORCEMENT,”…not throw rocks at them.
Law enforcement must “ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ARE ON THE BOOKS”…not concede to the incompetence of government, or give in to self appointed regulators. First and foremost, medical cannabis is not a public matter…it’s a private matter that exists in a doctor/patient relationship.
What I’m emphatically opposed to is, for this caliber
of “LAW BREAKER” (previously referred to as a “peace” officer) to have the power to make me the “LAW BREAKER.” Neither would I put the fox in charge of the chicken coop.
“YOU DON’T KEEP THE BEST MARBLE FOR LONG,” unless you take it out of play. By taking it out of play, you defeat its purpose, to stay in the game. Let’s not take our best marble out of play. The tenacity of “TRUTH” is our best marble. Rhythm is the father of “REPITITION,” and “KNOWLEDGE” is is tyrrany’s biggest enemy. “KEEP TELLING THE TRUTH” to as many that will listen.
Marajuna should be a medical and civil rights issue, not a criminal issue. Marijuana prohibition is based on the lies of an evil man, Harry Anslinger. He claimed that marijuana has a positive effect on the degenerate races, and made people go crazy and kill their siblings. We still base our laws off this lunacy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
aaaaaahhhh the devil be possesing me if I smoke the devil’s weed!!!!!!
But I can drink alcohol, take dangerous prescription pills, and smoke incredibly harmful tobacco. The devil doesn’t posses me when I do these things.
It’s not the 1950’s anymore. Get a grip you loony weirdo.
I sure would like to be able to work in an Industry(Hemp or Cannabis) that I could really believe in and put my sincere heart into everyday. Because I hate having to work for employers who are anti-LEGALIZATION for whatever reason…and feeling like I have to hide who I really am. Not only that….but most business’ out there are not as enviromentally friendly to the planet or as benefical to people as the Hemp/Cannabis industry and all it’s spin-off markets COULD be. NOW, if we could just shake that Ol’ Prohibition monkey off the American back. Then maybe,…just MAYBE, we could once again become a nation that not only imports but EXPORTS as well. HOLY SH!T…..there’s an idea.
What surprises me is that 2009 we’re still discussing to make god created plant illegality. ha ha ha!! wow, we have a long way to go, people, before we can change this world towards better. I think the next big step should be eliminating power of the narrow minded.
The person who is against marijuana legalization because it causes fear and paranoia is missing the point of america. Just because it causes you fear and paranoia doesnt mean it does that for everyone. We need to stop regulating for the lowest common demoninator and have some real freedom in this country.
In any case, I am not optomistic about this legislation passing at any time in the near future. Even though I would love to see it, legislators will vote the politically expedient way, which is to ere on the side of law enforcement and doing nothing different.
178 LUKE
You must have the new revised edition of the Bible…the one the prohibs are attesting to. God created the “GREEN HERB” not vegetation. Shall we call this the Wikapedia Bible. It’s all good…but
…it has been changed.
Nope. It’s KJV or nothin’ for me – I’m too old school for the NIV.
I did’nt think i would see the day.Now i’m happy
how is this good news?
isn’ it the govt’s job to babysit us?
don’t we NEED them to keep us safe
oh my gosh what if they decriminalize pot them stop enforcing other laws like seat belt laws and censoring our tv’s
i mean thats what govt. is for telling us what we can and can not do
there is NO way us as american citizens would be able to function w/out the govt. telling us what to do
LMAO
193 KEEP IT RELIGION FREE
Are you truly prohoboting religion, when in fact God made Manna for us, gave it to us, and reaffirmed it…point blank. Seems to me that to follow God on this one would be the better path to take, than the laws of man. Personally, I would never deny anyone the right to speak his or her religious beliefs, no matter what their religion.
Lets hope they are level headed and ban weed use completely!
Raise penalties for ILLEGAL use of drugs!
Opinion doesn’t matter, the law does!
Firstly the plant is called Cannabis NOT marijuana that was its slave name given during the beginning of the propaganda and reefer madness, so for all the supporters who want the plants to be free, then STOP giving the propagandists anything to hold on to by using their slang name for this great plant species.
As for keeping religion out of the argument, impossible, it was religion that forced it to be made illegal and who still push for the status quo.
We all need to push that ignorance is what did this and stop using the ignorant terms they use, fight with intelligence and facts born from science.
While you continue to use the term marijuana, you give them power.
We need to make hemp legal for the use of fuel, plastic bags, paper. clothing, and rope then we go green as GOD wanted us to do with the Plant.
legalize now, end of story
216 STUPID SAYS
Just that! stupid!
“You can hope in one hand…and…shit in the other…and see which one fills up first.
By the way…”It’s the will of the people that makes law.
217 LILLBIT
The Genesist Faith is a faith that regards Manna as Holy Sacrament. We call it Manna, and we agree with you…”THERE’S NOTHING SLANG ABOUT IT!”
For the average person who doesn’t care they won’t go out of their way to help us. Simply tell them. Tell them it is happening and tell them to tell their friends. And don’t tell them how they are a hypocrite when they disagree, just throw you point out there. Cannabis is nothing a responsible American adult cannot handle.
Legalize!
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE THAT Support marijuana legalization TOOK OUT A PIN AND GAVE THE PRESIDENT A BLACK EYE ON ALL OUR PAPER MONEY FOR NOT re-legalize cannabis WHAT WOULD HAPPEN
A matter that needs investigated
On case#VA107160
People Vs buddy lee George
Norwalk superior court norwalk California division S
Judge the Honorable Roger Ito
Los Angeles county district attorney Kang.
A case that can be proved as unconstitutional due to the following
1.) I was denied my due process rights.
2.) the district attorney had me charged with prison priors and strikes that I did not have and it was not until after the verdict did she admit her mistakes.
3.) I was denied to confront witnesses I supoened 5 officers and only one showed up.
4.) the only witness that showed up was detective hakala from Whittier police department he was the lead detective and expert witness.
5.) the was bias with the processing of evidence he used his own lab.
6.) he lied under oath by saying he removed the drugs before the pre search video because he had a dog.
7.) the evidence in the case had been destroyed before the trial
Evidence was destroyed 5-29-09
The verdict was read on 8-15-09
8.) the attorney that represented me right before the trial caused a conflict of interest by violating attorney client privilege by having a meeting with the city of la mirada without my permission nor knowledge were he discussed my case were he was convinced by the city saying I should take a deal under the condition I move out of la mirada when I get out of prison.
9.) Henry salcido also told me at one point he didn’t care If I was innocent or guilty I should take a deal.
10.) he also told me at one point he was best friends with steve Cooley and if I gave him $180.000 and sign over the deed to our home he could make the case disappear.
11.) their was two retired district attorneys that were working for Henry salcidos law firm that were also over familiar with sheriffs and narcotics department that were involved in my case.
12.) through the whole case the la mirada mayor and council members had law enforcement harassing me their was about 300 or more calls made to law enforcement with the intent to have me harassed
13.) I can also prove false imprisonment.
14.) I was charged with possession for sales when no drugs were ever found to be in my possessing neither was any money ever recovered and according to the detective he found $13 dollars worth of drugs in our home all together in separate bags and only one had been tested the second one was never tested.
15.) it was unconstitutional for detective hakala to target me when their was 5 occupants living in our home at the time.
16.) the search warrant he used to get in our home the day he supposedly found the drugs was stamped denied.
17.) the second search warrant had a type -o- error and the name on the search warrant was Walter Eugene Farris a guy that I don’t know and neither did any one els that lived in our home and he had never been in our home.
18.)The attorney that represented me during the trial had not been given enough to to familiarize her self with my case the judge refused to give her time to overlook the case.
19.) after we picked the jurors one of the jurors was prejudice he said no matter what he would find me guilty because he hates drug dealers the judge still allowed juror # 19 to hang out with all the other jurors until he was replaced.
The following needs to be investigated
1.) violation of due process rights
2.) my state and federal rights were violated.
3.) false imprisonment
4.) harassment
5.) negligent
6.) malpractice
7.) wrongful conviction
8.) officer misconduct
9.) judicial misconduct
10.) cruel and unusual punishment. Email below evidence when the evidence had been destroyed a email from detective hakala to district attorney kang.
11.) the city of la mirada offered to buy our home at cost saying under the condition I couldn’t live in la mirada nor Whittier.
12.)la mirada law enforcement was raiding our home practically daily.
13.) before this case started detective jerry Reyes told me as he handed me his card with his hand writing on it that if I dident help him he would screw me.
14.) detective hakala and district attorney kang kept inflicting lies on the jury.
15.) I was not on probation or parole when this case started.
16.) our car had also been impounded 3 to 4 times every time officers said just tell us were the drugs are we won’t impound the vehicle and every time I was honest by saying I don’t have any drugs they impounded it any way.
17.) detective hakala went through my confidential legal mail violating my constitutional rights instead of using normal mail he used a 42 u.s.c 1983 to identify me as living here during The trial mentioning a law suite involving Copley
18.) during the proceedings of the case no one had any idea I studied law I even represented my self in the federal courts I studied criminal and civil for about five years including 42 u.s.c $1983″s torts writs civic codes ethics even the CCR title 15 rules and regulations.
19.) I’m hoping to resolve this with out filing in the federal courts I’m exhausting all remedies if the matter is not resolved then I’m given not much choice because I was wronged
Sorry but this is frustrating I just want this matter looked into.
20.) I can prove the following.
1.)deformation of character.
2.) false imprisonment.
3.) negligence.
4.) harassment.
5.) malpractice.
6.) wrongful conviction.
7.) constitutional violations with my civil rights.
8.) including $10.000 dollars of damage to our home.
9.)reckless disregard.
10.) coaxing
11.) including due process rights involved in a criminal court proceeding involving corruption.
12.) the situation that escalated
Into this case was a incident involving a parole officer mr verimontes he worked for la mirada public safety and the Santa fe springs parole department in the year 2001
He was contracted by both at the same time their was a incident involved with are daughters boy friend driving a vehicle in a irate speed going to autozone test driving a 1997 ford explorer some car was parked 3 ft out from the curb
And some kids were playing in the middle of the street they moved out of the street as he was driving up hill and swerved to miss the car when we got back a neighbor showed up cussing and yelling in a violent manner as I got out of the passenger side he was trying to provoke me I asked him to calm down he told me fuck you I said I have kids and theirs no need for this he stated bull I ignored him and went next door and eventually went to the store with our cousin next door not knowing while we were gone the neighbor had called the sheriffs by time I got home their was no law enforcement around but when I reported to parole I was giving him the heads up about possible call made to law enforcement with our address he asked did you have any police contact I stated no he said don’t worry about it then that nite shows up with law enforcement to arrest me for driving with out a license I was in jail double the normal time waiting for my bpt hearing mean while I hired a attorney for ADA issues he had no idea that the attorney representing me at board had investigated his wrong doing because he went to every neighbor showing first my whole criminal past then mug shots asking if they seen me driving the attorney caught him lying under oath at least 12 times the commissioner let me go home when I had got out mr verimontes told me pack up your shit your moving back to Sacramento in such a irate manner to were other people eventually had to get him he told me that if I appealed him he would get a petition with our neighbors so I reported to parole in Sacramento and while I was there I filed a 602 inmate appeal demanding It to be exhausted so I could file a 42 u.s.c $1983 I charged him with the following
1.) racial profiling
2.) negligence
3.) harassment
4.) deformation of character
5.) false imprisonment
6.) I filed to a copy of the bpt hearing tape only to find out it had been damaged 3 days after the hearing when it was not suppose to be damaged for 120 days were I was entitled to a copy of it only to be denied eventually the 602 complaint allowed me to come home after he was involuntarily moved from both jobs.
7.) the city mayor and council members had sheriffs going through any lengths to get me for anything just to send me to prison also to force me to move from la mirada.
8.) we had a 2002 ford explorer literally torn apart to the point it was not worth having the interior completely destroyed.
9.) our home was stalked by sheriffs to the point our kids moved out.
10.) their are witnesses to two sheriff deputies named Morris and tousey that work for the city of la mirada telling every drug addict that I am a kingpin and a drug dealer.
11.) we even called the sheriffs about some one driving a car into our garage door they showed no interest in the damage done to our home.
12.) the sheriffs also known our home had been broken into and vandalized on numerous occasions.
13.) Morris and tousey also were telling people say his name you go free Morris and tousey are Los Angeles county sheriffs.
THIS ALL ADDS UP WASTEFUL
SPENDING
Buddy George – VA107160From: joanne alberry
View Contact To: LAURIE YTARTE —————–
————————————————————-
— Laurie,here is the email from the Detective
telling the court that all the property was
destroyed. Sorry about all of it. Feel free to mail
me any payments you can at my office address
4229 Main St Suite 4 Riverside CA 92501 I will
let you know when I find an attorney who will
take on a governemtn entity. good luck to you
and Buddy,Joanne ———- Forwarded message
———-From: Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 7:23
AMSubject: Fw: Buddy George – VA107160To:
joannealberry@gmail.com Hi Joanne, Per our
conversation, here is the email from Detective
Hakala confirming that the evidence was
destroyed. I will request that our matter be taken
off calendar today. Thanks. ———————-
Forwarded by Miriam Kang/DAUsers/NLADA on
09/25/2009 07:22 AM ————————— To:
cc: Subject: RE: Buddy George – VA107160 I
contacted our central property and the items
seized in the Buddy George case (408-15814-
0460-184) were dispoed on 05-29-09. Any other
questions just let me know. Eric ———————
———————————————————–
From: MKang@da.lacounty.gov
[mailto:MKang@da.lacounty.gov]Sent: Thu
9/24/2009 2:49 PMTo: Hakala, Eric J.Subject:
Buddy George – VA107160 Hi Detective Hakala,
Just as a reminder, please email me a letter
confirming that the the property booked into
evidence for this case has been disposed of and
the date of disposal. Thanks so much!
Sincerely,Miriam KangDeputy District
AttorneyTel: 562-807-7211