While no one wants to see public and private lands be misused to cultivate large commercial outdoor cannabis grow operations, does this problem exist with other agricultural products that can create psychoactivity (or a ‘high’) like grapes, sugar cane, barley, hops, corn, apples, potatoes or wheat? Large commercial grow-ops are purely a function of prohibition, so if law enforcement really care about these grow-ops they’d advocate for getting rid of them by not creating an opportunity for agricultural entrepreneurs to seek the profits from growing a vegetable matter that can fetch $100-$500 ounce.
Instead, states like Utah waste taxpayers’ money by encouraging citizens to visit a one-stop-snitch webpage to narc out suspected cannabis cultivators.
Thanks to NLC members Robert Latham in Bountiful UT for the heads up…and Daniel Margolis of Cleveland OH for musing:
10 arrests in 2009! 82 flight hours, presumably in a helicopter. What is the hourly rate for the helicopter and pilot? Assume a pilot and co-pilot/observer. One arrest every for 16.4 hours of hours of pilot time, 8.2 hours of helicopter time, to say nothing of ground crew, etc…How much did each arrest cost just from flight time alone?
What a waste of money and effort. I wonder how long it will take them to realize that 99% of the “reports” are fake. This is the internet, within 24 hours they will be flooded with troll reports.
Shame the website has no area for comments/discussion.
…Although they probably did that deliberately as they would be flooded with pro-cannabis comments, haha.
wow I just found this website and can’t believe this story. What a waste of tax payer dollars. and police resources. they should be finding the meth labs not the plants that naturally grow(with human help) sometimes farmers have no choice once they loose their land to sitch to a more valuable and readily consumed crop. I feel sorry for the people who put time into growing a crop (probly their income), and have it just harvested and wasted by the police. people are going to smoke and consume what they want wether it be from their home state or mexico. at least there isn’t violent farmers in the USA. Im pround to be a “only USA Grown” pot smoker.
We need to flood this website with fake reports!!!! everyone join the fight!!
This is pure stupidity. I honestly can not even develop a response to this. THIS IS BULLSHIT. How about focusing on some other drugs that can kill people such as the prescription drugs that are killing people everyday and getting more and more people addicted to opium. Pure bullshit!
Cant anyone else think of a better way to spend their money?? What a waste.
Just wait until their database gets hacked and tipster info leaks.
It’s amazing how people who oppose legalizing marijuana don’t understand or refuse to believe these facts
That website and all websites are a WASTE of domain names and IP addresses! And most of all they are wasting electricity to run that false website! 10% of the world’s electricity is used to keep the Internet running.
I vote they reconsir wasting electricity or devote it to something to help humanity.
Aircraft usage rates are highly variable and often obscured in budgets to avoid cuts. With all the overhead and hidden costs of maintaining even a leased aircraft of that sort, you could easily be looking at up to $2500 per hour. (Engines are required to be rebuilt after so many hours of use. Insurance costs are often considered “overhead” or packaged elsewhere. Good pilots are usually not paid hourly and have strange pay scales even when salary based. FAA restrictions and coordination efforts, etc.)
An illustration of some estimates on various helicopter variable rate costs: http://www.conklindd.com/Page.aspx?cid=1118
I’ve been puzzled how large cities handle the costs of their aircraft. It is not just the 2-5 fleet craft of the police, but the fact the Sheriff and every other agency in those cities seem to have their own fleet that see quite a bit of flight time. I’m sure people near areas of potential outdoor growers know firsthand how many seemingly wasted hours are spent and at considerable costs to all.
Also of note, there are environmental impacts of low flying aircraft that rival even some of the national park intrusions they seek. Those aircraft definitely are not sipping fuel. Some of the more common ones you see average about 25-30 gallons per hour, or more, in *optimal* conditions. And unlike an SUV or truck, the emissions are a lot higher. Noise pollution is also a major problem to both human and animal alike. And in many cases, trees tend to be felled and areas disturbed even more than what the growers have done to accommodate safe access of these craft.
I should mention I do think that some cities can benefit from aircraft being available, but their use in some areas of the country do seem to spend a lot more time simply hunting drugs than most people realize. Thermal scanning homes from the air to “see” grows and other manufacturing in residential and abandoned buildings for instance. Sadly not everything seen in some movies is science fiction.
I find the website similar to any tip line in America. This one just specifically wants to target cannabis. Seems like pretty low overhead though. But getting flooded with a lot of fake trips to the woods by people can get very costly. Most regions they want to catch with this are hike/flight only. Plus there is always the chance of being setup by a cartel or others with this approach.
Thankfully these topics of the various costs and impacts to law enforcement’s roles and duties are becoming more page one items and less taboo in traditional media.
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GREAT GOD THAT OBSERVES THE UNJUSTICE AND THE MOKING
THAT THE PEOPLE SUFFER CAN NOT BE SATISFIED..
THE INCREDIBLE SCENE OF THE ARMED ARMY THAT INVADED A HOUSE AND KILLED THE DOG IN FRONT OF THE CHILD THAT HEARD ALL THIS BRUTALITY IN THE HOUSE AND SAW HIS FATHER LAYING DOWN ON THE GROUND… YOU REALLY THINK THAT MADNESS AND TYRANNY LIKE THAT WILL BE FORGOTTEN JUST BECAUSE SOME ALCOOL AND PHARMACEPTICAL COMPANIES REACT FOR THEIR PROFITS…?
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IT’S YOU BUSINESS TO EXPLAIN TO SOME <> AND MONEY COLECTORS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THERE TO BE USED AS CUTTLE..
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Snitches get stiches and die……
Norml– wasn’t there just a firebombing incident in Montana? Where’s the coverage of this? If this happened at the immigration rallies in AZ they’d be yelling “DISCRIMINATION~!” but here? Meh– “stupid stoners, what’d they expect?”
[Paul Armentano responds: This story is covered on NORML’s Stash blog.]
I live in Utah…nothing new here.The goddamn hunters are constantly ratting on plots of a few plants they come across while out getting drunk and shooting each other.
As already mentioned…
FLOOD IT WITH FAKE REPORTS!
I tried, wouldn’t send.they probably got so many fake reports right now they disabled the site…..
I wrote some offensive stuff so no copying and pasting today….
Feels alot like my town in Florida. they fly over my town 3-4 nights a week. just scanning for indoor grow ops with thermal vision and other pot detection devices… only to see on the news the next day who got busted in that nights hunt.
I LEFT THEM A PIECED OF MY MIND ON THERE. eVERYONE SHOULD LEAVE A MESSAGE/
Sooooo much of EVERYONE’S money down the drain. What a waste!!
legalize, tax ,control! put the money in govt. tax coffers and farmers hands! not ILLEGAL ALIEN’S NOT DRUG CARTELS, NOT STREET GANGS! TAKE AWAY THE HIGH PROFITS AND THE CRIMINALS FADE OUT FAST! learn from the mistakes of the 1920’s and prohibition!
What a joke. When will they learn
Personally, I think everyone should log on and narc on the US Government for being the largest supplier of heroin and crack in the Middle East while terrorizing it’s constituents in drug raids hat have ended in the deaths of many a household dog and several old ladies (http://www.prisonplanet.com/government-admits-they-deal-heroin-yet-terrorize-families-for-pot.html).
I emailed all of those email address on the list with this message: Subject: Suggestion
Hi, I have a suggestion on how to end growing of Marijuana in National Parks. Instead of setting up a website which will waste millions of dollars on the eradication effort and not solve the problem at all. Try setting up a site to encourage marijuana legalization. Just like as alcohol prohibition ended and moved to being taxed and regulated so will the Marijuana market.
I got this email back:
You don’t really believe that you are the first to come up with that idea…do you?
And now a suggestion for you – you may want to avoid using your employer’s time and email server to promote the marijuana legalization issue…especially since your employer is a public entity. Should a motivated person choose to report such activity to your supervisor, unpleasant consequences could arise.
I’m just saying.
Kevin Drolc, Captain
Price City Police Department
910 North 700 East
Price, Utah 84501
435 636-3190
kevin@priceutah.net
why is it that bp can destroy all those lives in the south and say we did nothing wrong ?? But someone growing a plant gets life. No justice.. And I agree with everyone .. How much for the helocopter and pilot when this country is already in a defisit.. What a waste.
I just submitted a report for all counties in the entire state of Utah. I informed them of what they already know, but continue to deny — that cannabis is already one of their states top cash crops, and that they’re wasting time, lives, and money pursuing the dead-end prohibition strategy.
I urge you all to do the same — file a report with this site — tell them their whole state is growing, and they should take the right action by legalizing, taxing and regulating.
Native Utahn here. This story does not surprise me at all. There are so many holier than thou, self righteous, stick their nose in your business Mormons here its unreal. The scenery and climate of Utah are second to none in my opinion, but unfortunately with so many of the people being ignorant religious fanatics it has driven me to want to pack up and leave. I love this state for many reasons, but F U C K you mormons, get over yourselves. Sorry just had to get that off my chest.
Inb4 DDOS
Jim brainerd, I wrote Kevin…..
I am not using this to write you from work…..
Maybe you should, actually, probably will one day worry about the legalization of Marijuana. Your snitches get paid, This strategy’s not gonna work and us non- criminal users. Will provide many fake e-mails for you to splurge through. Good luck Mr.officer. You wonder why society disrespect’s police. Look at what you do and go after. Dont forget about the rapist, or the S.W.A.T team that likes to kill dogs. Worry about Criminal offenders, DUH……..
Have a Fun Filled Search,
Jesse McDuffee
P.S. A man e-mail’s you from work he posts your response on norml and you get this out of me and hopefully many others.
thanks Kevin
Wow! I am appalled to say the VERY least! It is a very well known fact that snitching can put innocent people’s lives in danger. Not that law enforcement cares however; they never have and they never will. Also, not to mention the tax dollars that are being wasted while making NO IMPACT WHATSOEVER on the Cannabis that is readily available on the streets of Utah and everywhere else in the United States! Guess what? Drug dealers don’t ask for ID!
I feel sorry for anyone who lives in Utah and I strongly encourage you to TAKE ACTION AND CONTACT YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS!
This type of behavior CANNOT and WILL NOT be tolerated!
Garfield County could be considered rural. Price is a small town that if you blink you’ll miss it.
You must remember the sheer strangle hold, skillful manipulative practices, and guilt trips that are laid on 60% of the people who populate this state, that being Mormons.
This does bring up a good point NORML, that being Snitches. Perhaps you could elaborate on stories of Snitches now and then and instruct your followers on how to prevent people from doing such things.
I have a pilot friend who charges 500 per hr for flight time in and out of major cities by helicopter. He mainly caters to the business flights but the point here is that it is not cheap to do this kind of aerial reconnaissance. These guys are paid by our tax dollars. What a waste.
http://www.illegalutahmarijuanagardens.com/admin/filebrowser/
Registered to a mister Dave M.
davem@cedarcity.org
“You don’t really believe that you are the first to come up with that idea…do you?
And now a suggestion for you – you may want to avoid using your employer’s time and email server to promote the marijuana legalization issue…especially since your employer is a public entity. Should a motivated person choose to report such activity to your supervisor, unpleasant consequences could arise.
I’m just saying.”
Kevin Drolc, Captain
Price City Police Department
910 North 700 East
Price, Utah 84501
435 636-3190
kevin@priceutah.net
Thinly Veiled Threats from a public servant?
No suprise there.
“I’m just sayin.”
Lol. Way to exceed their bandwidth for the month…
their website is flooded. was going to snitch orin hatch, haha
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they,Utah is jammed!
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… Capt. Drolc, Get on board, or get left at the sation …
Capt. Drolc;
RE: your response to a fellow concerned citizen about the military style raids and desperate gustapo tactics being employed by people in law enforcement, and the problems otherwise associated with the war on citizens you refer to as the “drug war”:
My fellow citizen wrote: ” Hi, I have a suggestion on how to end growing of Marijuana in National Parks. Instead of setting up a website which will waste millions of dollars on the eradication effort and not solve the problem at all. Try setting up a site to encourage marijuana legalization. Just like as alcohol prohibition ended and moved to being taxed and regulated so will the Marijuana market.”
To which you responded:
“You don’t really believe that you are the first to come up with that idea…do you?”
I agree — he’s not the first to come up with that idea. In fact, everyone’s not only thinking it, as a nation we’re slowly coming to grips with how to admit that it’s the ONLY solution. So why the trivial dismissal? Why have you not seriously considered the suggestion? It’s not a crazy idea by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, it’s a completely reasonable solution to an unreasonable “problem”, and for you to blatantly dismiss it like that, shows just how blinded you are by the people who sign your paychecks — apparently you’ve forgotten who you REALLY work for. Us. The citizens. People no different than you, who go about their business in all sorts of trades — as lawyers, doctors, teachers, firefighters, and other police officers. And yes — we ALL use cannabis. More than 50% of the population has admitted to trying it at least once in their life… There’s a good chance that you, like many of your fellow police officers, have also tried it. And there may even be a chance that like many of your fellow humans, you liked it.
I realize that ultimately you are concerned about your job, and your department. You want bigger budgets, and more toys, and this war on citizens you call the “drug war” gets you just that — but at what cost? How much money are we going to waste on the dead-end, catastrophic failure that is the prohibition of cannabis? How many of your fellow officers must die or get permanently injured for a complete waste of time? How many citizens? When is enough, enough? We lost this “war” when we decided to fight it in the first place, and we MUST wake up to that fact.
Do you realize that back in 1937 when cannabis was first prohibited only a small percentage, perhaps 1 to 2% of the US population, HAD EVER used it? Most people didn’t even know what it was! Your government’s prohibitionist propaganda “education” has definitely served to educate the public alright — now we have approximately 10% of the U.S. population that uses cannabis — REGULARLY — and EVERYONE knows that leaf — the American government has succeeded in making a single plant leaf a stronger branding symbol than Coca Cola. Seems to me, if you wanted less “users”, we should have left it legal.
Just because mistakes have been made for the last 70 years, doesn’t mean we should continue making them.
You do realize that the only real and lasting effect this war on citizens has had or will have on us, the victims, is a complete undermining of our trust in the establishment, and particularly the police. It used to be that a cop could be your friend, but this war has divided everyone. The cops are NOT our friends anymore. They are NOT here to help. They are here to hinder.
I want you to know that it is no longer taboo for those in law enforcement to speak out about the monumental waste of time, and the criminal injustice that is being carried out across this country by the very people who are supposed to be protecting the population. You can help restore public trust and faith in law enforcement. You can help restore dignity to the force.
Join your fellow brothers in arms by supporting a rational solution to the “drug” problem, not the ever increasing use of Nazi-Germany style enforcement.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (L.E.A.P.) http://www.leap.cc.
Just think — after we repeal prohibition, you can get back to REAL police work, like protecting the citizens from violent criminals and hunting down murderers. We as citizens can feel good about our police again — like they’re there for us. Everybody wins. So get on board. Like it or not, cannabis is the third most popular recreational drug in this country, and it is now a permanent part of American culture. Times are changing, and you had better get on the new train, or you’ll get left at the station!
I do not expect a reasonable response from you or your office, so please don’t waste precious electrons further rationalizing what you already know is a waste of time. All I ask is that you think. Carefully consider the fact that ultimately we the citizens pay your salary, not Washington.
We citizens are pretty sick of your unwinnable war. Everybody loses. Nobody EVER wins.
Sincerely,
Concerned Citizen
what a bunch of b.s. the government needs the money so they tax the poor and give to the rich, hog wash. legalize pot tax it and be done with this b.s. as if for narcs, the good narc is a dead one.
There has already been a backlash of fake tips being submitted to this site after it garnered a bunch of public attention from pro-Cannabis supporters.
I am not going to sit here and encourage anyone to submit any fake tips, but I think we all know what our job is now.
Freedom of speech rules, and who knew they were really fake tips? Heck, I thought I was sending in a legitimate tip!
Anyone who wishes to exercise their right to freedom of speech, please submit all of your “tips” to the website listed below.
http://www.illegalutahmarijuanagardens.com/report-a-marijuana-garden/
people should flood the line with tips that council members, mayors, police etc are growing and see how they like it!
Genesis 1:29-30 (King James Version)
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
And that’s why you don’t fuck with an entire community of people and expect no backlash. This website got what they deserved.
Stoners can be just as tricky as DEA agents.
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Congrats on showing DJango what the people think of snitching.
the mormons encourage snitching about everything non-mormon here
THIS COUNTRY IS DOING VERY BAD BECAUSE THE SNICH WE ARE LOSING ALOT OF MONEY WITH THE SUIT,
I first have to tell you that I live in a world of almost suicidal pain. 24/7. All the drugs they have me on is killing me anyone, from back injuries to lupus, afib, cfs/fibro, ms, and finished a battle of pancreatic cancer on an experimental drug that only 200 in utah were guinea pigs for. Snitching is a double edge sword. I would never do it. I believe that cannabis would definitely help me. Why, because God created it. Before any of you bleeding heart liberals get on me about that, think about it first, no big pharma involved. I mean for crying out loud the fentanyl, oxy., ultram, ativan, ambien, etc. that i take each day given to me by my drs. are the big pharm wanting to numb and kill me. I want cannibis legalized in utah, but the scared rabbits that they call politicians are all get kick back one way or another. I believe the snitches are in it for the money themselves and do not have gumption to find a real job, like helping norml legalize it here in Utah.
It is a bad idea to not do that. But the double edge sword, it is the bad cartels and thugs that are growing it. The ones that will kill us physically if we stumble on it by accident. Hell, our own law enforcement gets their teeth kicked out over gun carrying illegals who have warrants and nogreen cards to bring them to justice. So why doesn’t Herbert, Chavez and the rest of the state put the marijuana issue to rest and pass a law to legalize it so we can grow our own within our property and use it. I want to get off these horrible drugs that I am on. They make you suicidal, lazy, depressed, negative, and you have to keep taking more to feel better. So who is the bad guy here, I say big pharma, cause they are addicting me to their very expensive narcotics. Oh, did i ever try mary jane, yes, when I spent time in a state that allows it. I had a week of almost heaven.
I even lost weight. I did not have to use the heavy hitting drugs. Why don’t they ask someone like me.
to stand before the house committee and testify to how
the natural gift from heaven, cannibis, relieved my pain, lifted my soul, and gave me a happy period in my painfully depressing life. I also believe that the government would make money, just like they do on alcohol and gas. Utah with its belief in ignoring this is quite amazing. We are the state that has a hi rate of suicides based on alcohol. One of the highest with incest, pornography, etc. But you do not hear that. Snitches have an abstract need in this fight, it shows you how much being grown, but it doesn’t show you how much is being purchased by sickly
dying human beings.
I had Mr.Daniel Margolis as my attorney and I strongly DO NOT Ever advise you to use him or his co workers.As they tried to hang me in the end. He is a liar and a legal theif of money!And cost thousands of dollars just to argue in the court house hallway