NORML has been invited to appear this afternoon (Monday, May 17) to participate in a debate, ‘Should Marijuana Be Legalized?’, on the digital channel ABC News Now, which is also broadcast online.
[Editor’s note: Archived video of the debate is now available free online here.]The discussion will air live from 12:30PM-1PM (eastern) with portions possibly re-broadcast tonight on ABC’s Nightline.
Check local cable programming re ABC’s digital channels or go online here.
c’mon guys its up to u to educate everyone on national tv!
Way to go Norml! Represent the movement.
Spread Truth. End Prohibition.
Legalization = HTFU and do it!
Argument? I can predict this show. The pro legalization side will give a good comprehensive argument, the anti legalization group will say the same lazy stupid ignorant comeback of: it leads to heroin, we don’t know about marijuana, it will destroy our nation, it is mind altering and our kids will smoke it, duh duh duh. I’ve seen this before I just hope in five to ten years we aren’t asking the same question.
What channel is this supposed to be on on DirecTV? Can’t seem to find the listing ANYWHERE!!!
bad time to run it, no one will see it
I’m having a little trouble finding a link for the live feed. Time Warner in my area doesn’t have ABC News NOW.
Can someone post the live feed link? Thanks!
good luck!!!!
hopfully they will discuss more in depth on the nazis who killed that dog over paraphernalia
will be watching
should marijuana be legalized? um YEA! thats a no-brainer. but whatever , let the debate begin.
This is great. We need to pressure our “opponents” into scientific discussions as to why they believe that Cannabis should be illegal. Why are the prohibitionists trying to convince the world that a substance such as alcohol (and most controlled prescription drugs) that causes severe physical dependence, severe withdrawal syndrome with seizures, hallucinations and death, that causes severe organ damage even in the developing fetus is “safer” than the Cannabis medicinal plant that has none of these tragedies associated with its use, which has clearly withstood the test of time (for 10,000 years is enough time to see certain things), and which is cheap and effective medicine for many, at times desperate, medical conditions. It is not even a matter of seeing all this, it is rather a matter of admitting to that which one is seeing; this is why the Canadian government even pays for medical marijuana for their veterans, and our own American Medical Association now urges the government to change the Cannabis classification from Schedule I drug which is against all scientific reality.
Spread the truth NORML. Legalize Marijuana!!!
What is there to debate about,it should be legal and will be legal when the politician’s pull there head from there rear end and realize how useful weed can be and that money really does grow on trees!!!
Is ABC pro-pot? It seems like they’re the most libertarian of the media (Judge Napolitano and John Stossel aside) when it comes to this debate. At the very least, they cover this topic more often and with more positive light than, say… Fox News daytime and Hannity/O’Reilly.
Great work, will be watching in a few hours!
I think that it is very important to stress what is of the most interest to general public. It has been shown that Cannabis use suppresses violent behavior because it induces a calm, relaxed state not “conducive” to violence (Substance Abuse: A Comprehensive Textbook). It is then easy to take one more step and show that, just as Cannabis suppresses violence, it may serve as a “barrier”, not a “gateway” to heavy drinking or hard drug use, because those substances ARE “conducive” to violence. It is important to thoroughly destroy the fantasy of the so-called “gateway drug” theory by showing that of the “theory” were valid, we would all be drug-addicts right now after tasting a drink, smoking a cigarette or drinking strong coffee. Few people outside the “addiction medicine” circle know that the same brain centers “light up” on a scan if a person is craving sugar (a very addictive substance, by the way) or cocaine; are we now to consider sugar a “gateway drug” to cocaine?? Cannabis “design” is, in fact, pro-evolutionary for it increases appetite, suppresses violence, induces rest and enhances sexual experience. All those effects favor the survival of the species.
The more we press our opponents into scientific discussions, the better off we will be, because science-wise they have no evidence as to why Cannabis should be illegal.
Hope you can use this opportunity to get those scared on what they dont know….to understand.
Encourage people watch the movie “Bottle Shock” airing on HOB its about how the California Wines became known as world Class in fact won the top awards in France.
Then watch Beer Wars documentary about how the small independent brewers fight for market share with the giants of mass production.
The reason they should watch these films, is first so the feel and understand the passion for the products.
The second reason it will enable you to swap out Beer and Wine for Weed in conversation…
The passion is the same…
Unwarranted Fear is the problem …
hope to hear more of the arguments about how Marijuana prohibition is unconstitutional, how it is a war against Americans, how it imprisons over 800,000 people each year for using something safer then asprin, how people who support this support making it easier for our children to acquire not to mention support murder of otherwise law abiding citizens, remember Marijuana doesn’t take life but Marijuana prohibition has taken countless.
Please, just get plants legal so the sick and injured can use them. It wasn’t this plant that killed my mother it was the doctors here in Northwest Indiana. The hang out of the old gangsters … The doctors took a 80 YEAR woman who had survied over 43 major surgeries, COPD and used a C-Pap at night., she had TB, she NEVER smoked and the doctors took this wpman and used a Gastroscope to burn off a 4 cm groth off a feeding vain, Causing her to have a stroke while waiting days for a report. THE DOCTORS KILLED HER and now I need help … this is a start ….
Holy Smokes. This story is getting bigger. $1 Trillion dollars spent to stop drug use and the traffic of drugs into the US is a failure. After 40 years of the Drug War we have larger supplies, better quality, cheaper product, and 20,000 + dead in Mexico. All because of the prohibition of a flower plant.
The Rev.sLeezy
The Universal Life Church of the Holy Smokes
Potland, OR
CAMP (Citizen Against Marijuana Prohibition)
someone NEEDS to record the segment and post in on youtube or vimeo or something and then post it here one norml so we can all view it — because i know that i will not be able to watch it at 1230. thanks for everything you do NORML. cheers.
legalize marijuana already it will change the economy
WOOO so glad i caught this!
Yes it should be for everyone to use. I’ll be tuning in
I think Marijuana should be legalized…you don’t hear about anyone over dosed on “weed” or even killing their selves on marijuana…I think the government should legalize it and pull us out this recession and maybe the United States won’t be a broke country any longer nor will we have to borrow money from other countries..
fox news has been in support moreso than against…we will see where ABC stands..
Mr Darling is a dumbass,and Mr Allen you did awesome When u could talk.And yor last statment couldnt of put it any better HELL YEAH!!!
Great debate. Hang in people…it will happen. Darling had no evidence besides his own opinion. He couldn’t state any facts or even numbers. We got this!!!!
I applaud your performance and appearance for this important partaking Allen.
I get as equally steamed listening to bs propaganda spewed from anti-cannabis individuals, and I may be wrong but I would try to be a bit more relaxed and not take each misleading statement as a personal attack. You looked at times as if you were going to reach through the other window and grab Brian by his neck. As a viewer I would just suggest that if you want to appear to be the bigger man, just give he/she a second to comment so that you can retort with the actual reality of the statement. I couldn’t hear a significant portion of the debate because 2 or 3 people were trying to be heard.
Great job though.
The assault on reason and rationale is slowly dwindling.
Beautifully said sir.
Nice interview. I wish you had concentrated more on the fact that people are going to try marijuana whether it is legal or not. If regulated, we could control the source of the marijuana better, ensuring a more quality product, a more educated distributor, and a safer venue for acquiring it.
When Brian Darling kept saying that legalization would lead to more use and availability, it should have been noted that more availability is hardly possible when it is easier to obtain than alcohol.
Also, when he mentions cocaine and heroin, someone should have kept him on the subject- MARIJUANA. The only person mentioning heroin legalization was the guy defending marijuana prohibition. Everytime he started toward heroin, someone should have kept him on the subject of marijuana law.
As far as I can tell, Brian Darling clearly lost this debate. He showed that he was uneducated on the subject and was very close-minded! He is perfectly happy to smoke and chew tobacco and drink his alcohol. But he is also perfectly happy to continue locking up good Americans that choose to smoke marijuana. What a friggin’ clown he is! Even as he was losing the debate, I got the impression that he thought he was winning it. On the other hand Allen St. Pierre was brilliant! He is a shining example of why marijuana is not a bad thing and should be legalized. He smokes it and clearly outclassed his opponent when it comes to pure logic and intellectual ability. One thing that really bugged me about this debate is that every point Brian tried to make regarding why marijuana should stay illegal has already been successfully rebuked many times in the past. Him, and fools like him, just don’t get it and, I fear, never will.
We watched the debate on ABC today while at lunch and one of the associates in my office said that Allen St. Pierre “just made so much sense” to her and she has never tried pot.
man o man endless words on their turf and thanks for caring.
next time smoke a big phatty on camera and then have a discussion. gaaarrrrrronteeeeeeeee winnah. seeing is believing for many.
and the times square ad any feedback?
peace
I really wish this method of viewing was offered in my area, unfortunately it is not. Any possibility of getting a link to it on You tube or something to watch it now that it has already been broadcast?
I am very upset that I could not view this. It was not available on comcast cable in my area. I tried going onto the website and They did not have a broadcast there. It said I had to go to comcast and view it there. So I went to comcast and could not find anything.
By the way, of course marijuana should be legalized. All drugs should be legal. People should be able to choose for themselves if they want to be healthy or not. I am not saying marijuana is unhealthy, but most drugs are. Alcohol is one of the worst drugs in existence. Thanks.
Did not get to see the interview… But the fact of the matter is, everything is “mind altering.” Have you ever seen a cigarette smoker trying to quit. Turns them into devil. I think most people rather they smoke cannabis or not would like to see this legalized. We keep saying its just a matter of time. How do we get this on a ballot. The people will decide to legalize this, then we can move on.
i keep searching abc’s website but can’t find anything about this. i really wanted to see it.its like they wiped it off the chalkboard so i couldn’t read it.
It was odd when the moderator stated “you don’t see beer distributors killing each other in the streets.” A good point…because they were during Alcohol Prohibition and they were referred to as gangsters.
Once alcohol prohibition was ended, they turned into legitimate tax paying alcohol manufacturers, distributors & retailers. The violence over the black market ended and you have the right to possess alcohol without fear of being locked in a cage with real criminals like rapists and murderers.
What is so hard to figure out about this subject.
UPLOAD FULL BROADCAST ASAP!!
Great job today, Allen, you made compelling arguments, and called Brian out on his hypocrisy. I thoroughly enjoyed the debate.
Wow early post… early show… hope it gets some primetime replay action though.Hope to see a replay here on the sight soon. Keep it up guys we WILL get it legal!
Legalize now! The government could then tax the marijuana, just like cigarettes. There has not been any proof of death because of smoking marijuana. The only death is caused by the pople doing stupid things after smoking. Drinking is not against the law, and there are hundreds of deaths a year associated with alcohol. I think marijuana would be a great altenative to alcohol. LEGALIZE NOW
Looks like I missed it. Is this on youtube or anything?
wow thats great norml..more talking
can i at least get a link to the vid
Link?!?!
OMG! I don’t get this in my area, and I can’t find a feed or video of it on their website!!! HEELP!!!
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I wasn’t able to be in front of a TV for the broadcast. Did anyone perhaps youtube it?
On a second note, I was able to convince my republican conservative mother(she is a grandmother, too!) to write her local PA state representative David Argall(R), in favor of both medical and recreational marijuana. She doesn’t actually want to make the phone call because she’s not quite as knowledgeable as myself on the subjects and probably wouldn’t be able to appropriately defend her new position….yet. I’m working on it 🙂 Now my pastor dad is next 🙂
This is how it’s done people, convince one person at a time if you have to, if every activist convinced one person, legalization support in this country would be 90%.
Free the weed.
where can I watch this?
thanks
Please post a video of this up on NORML’s site! I’d love to see a video of this!
Yes, I watched B. Darling shouting over Mr. Allen the entire time. B. Darling could’nt come up with anything intelligent to say and was upset because Mr. Allen, on the other hand, was sounding intelligent and this angered B. Darling, you can clearly see his fustration, that is why he would’nt let Mr. Allen talk. His comment that he threw in about ” do you do meth and cocaine” really justifies and completes the total picture of his ignorance. I am proud of you Mr. Allen, you made us who stand behind you proud! Thank you for not stooping to his level of ignorance. I will pray for B. Darling, he needs it!
I’ve spoken with ABC News producers in NYC and DC, they indicate that an ‘edited’ version will likely appear at ABC News Now’s homepage tomorrow afternoon.
NORML will re-post the uninterrupted, 30 minute ‘mini’ debate between the Heritage Foundation’s Brian Darling (who uses tobacco and alcohol products…but, still, oddly favors cannabis prohibition) and me as soon as ABC gives us the applicable link.
What ABC News (and the general public) should have witnessed was Mr. Darling and I mixing it up at the front door of ABC’s TV studios in Washington, DC!
Now that would have made for interesting and compelling viewing!
-AStP
NORML
All these guys have to know its not bad for you at this point. They must be making money off of its illegality, it has to be the only reason.
18-good point, safer than aspirin.
28- Right on, no sourced facts for his arguments.
One obvious thing I would point out for those arguing against prohibition is that there is a large number of people who would use it if it was legal, they don’t because it is illegal, naturally use will increase because of the people who choose not to consume/use it because it’s illegal that otherwise would if it was legal.
Next time anyone brings up heroin, like someone else mentioned above, just bring them back by saying “the debate is about marijuana, not heroin which we don’t support”, which you did!
I was also glad when you made the point regarding the gw theory, with a statistic of just how little the hard drug population is in comparison to the cannabis consuming population.
Edited…great this is going to be a one sided view thanks to ABC.
I could not see the broadcast in my area,, and it sounds like plenty of others missed it too.
Hopfully debates like this will move closer to prime time in the near future. (Heard it was good thoe)
Keep Up The Good Work ! & Thanks for what you do !
Watch the video right here (in four parts) http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669238
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669269
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669334
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669366
Off-subject:
My parents, who happen to be hardcore Republican Christian-conservatives, have recently had a conversation with me and to my surprise, they are against the war on drugs. They feel as though marijuana should be treated no differently than alcohol, yet they understand that alcohol is far more harmful. This coming from my parents who once hated marijuana because of what they grew up being told by our lying government. There was a time when my parents would have laughed in my face if I’d told them that marijuana was OK to use by responsible people.
Times sure are changing!
They’ve seen through me that marijuana is far from harmful, but in fact the safer alternative. They’ve seen me graduate from college with honors, while advocating for marijuana policy reform. They’ve seen me mature, buy a house, get married and be successful in my own way, even while I continued to use marijuana daily.
Thanks mom and dad for your constant love and confidence in me. Most of all, thank you for treating me like the adult that I am.
I only wish everyone could be as lucky as I’ve been.
how many stupid tv debates do we need before it just happens talk is cheap bite me abc stop using the weed argument to draw people to your shitty shows!! you can’t get high enough for any of the crap they portend as entertainment on that station to make anything even watchable!! they can’t even put it on the network station…gutless..
Legalization, isn’t it about time?
I can’t wait to see this video, I am literally on the edge of my seat to watch NORML enlighten the nation with the truth of marijuana and it’s wide variety of benefits.
Legalize and Save the economy.
I just watched this and I am seriously disgusting at how much of a hypocrite that guy is.
“Alcohol and tobacco are safe (even though it kills hundreds of thousands of people a year), but let’s keep one of the safest substances illegal because… just because”.
That sums up the entire 25 minute video. Oh, and the fact that I want to decimate that idiot.
We should email or call ABC and demand an unedited version on thier site as well because supposedl its the press’ job to report the truth to the people.
I support the legalization of marijuana. I don’t think it will happen anytime soon though. There are too many ignorant people out there who believe what they’ve been told by big business and politicians. They will fight you to the end of time as they use their tobacco and alcohol and think that that’s ok as it’s legal.
The outcome in California isn’t going to be to our likings as Government will cheat, as they have in the past, when it comes to voter polls. Our Government doesn’t work for us as intended when this Country was founded. When the majority wants something and our Representatives vote against it, that is clear.
In the real world where I live. If you don’t do the job your paid to do, your FIRED. It’s that simple. Any chump can sit in office, they should learn they are a dime a dozen. Too bad we can’t fire the Government.
I THINK IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A WORTHY NEWS COMPANY TO AIR ALL SUBJECTS NO MATTER HOW CONTROVERSIAL THEY MAY BE….FACE IT , PEOPLE , ALOT OF THEM, SMOKE MARIJUANA ….. NOT TO MENTION THAT THIS COUNTRY IS IN A FINANCIAL CRISIS AND EVERY BIT OF EXTRA MONEY HELPS….MARIJUANA TAX, DUH IT DOESNT TAKE A GENIUS TO FIGURE IT OUT! LEGALIZE MARIJUANA!
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I agree — not much of a debate. Allen — you did great! But it’s hard to have a “debate” when the other side knows absolutely NOTHING about what they’re talking about.
This debate was excellent. Mr. St. Pierre intellectually outclassed Mr. Darling on a scale unimaginable. I hope this showed America the hypocrisy of the current drug policy.
What good is this article on ABC News-discussion if you HAVE to have “cable” or other “pay-tv” provider to
view it?!?
(internet-access is expensive enough…)
And there’s no indication that it’s being rebroadcast on Nightline, EITHER!!!
When Mr Darling asked Allen if the police were kicking in anyone’s door for smoking weed, Allen missed an opportunity to bring up the SWAT raid in Columbia, Missouri.
I loved how, right after you stated where your stats came from, Brian said “Well I don’t know where you’re getting your information from…”
I think you need to bring big card board signs to the debate with all your stats on them. Let’s take it back to high school: Poster board presentations with lots of pictures and quotes.
Honestly though, you practically have to physically site your sources otherwise they’ll keep on with the “well I don’t know where you’re getting that from…”
Well done, though. Who else can we put up against St. Pierre? Obama? Let’s do it.
Mr. St. Pierre did just fine in that debate. Unfortunately it’s tough to respond and rebut so much mis-information. Everything that came out of Brian Darling’s mouth was a mis-characterization of facts(when he actually stated something that wasn’t false.) I almost wish it had been a 1 minute apiece kind of debate, there was probably 5 minutes of nothing even being said cause there were too many voices going at once.
Mr St. Pierre, next time establish some rules for the debate, and make sure you follow them to a “T”. I understand your frustration and anger, but don’t let that appear in the form of constantly trying to interrupt the opponent mid-sentence. The more intelligently Brian’s positions were articulated, the easier it would be for you to refute them and make him look like the hypocritical ignoramous that he is. I just worry that a lot got lost in the “shuffle.”
Remember people, we have the TRUTH on our side. If both sides in the debate voiced their opinions equally, we would win EVERY TIME. That’s why the percentage of Americans in favor of the legalization of marijuana is rising, not falling!
@ #59 Chris,
I missed your post.
Thanks for posting Twittercast links!!!
Brian is no “Darling”, and is such a “tool”, as well.
(Kept interrupting Alan with stale, “feckless”,
inaccurate drug-war tripe).
Alan,
Despite Brian’s incessant verbiage,
you still TROUNCED “not a darling’s“)
hypocrisy!!!
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Watch the video right here (in four parts) http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669238
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669269
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669334
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669366
Heres part one http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669238 look under the video for the rest. theres 4 parts! You Did Awesome that guy was so freaking stupid!!!! Good Job and Legalize it!!
Theres really no point for an educated person to watch this.
That alcohol tobacco guy is just like “because its illegal” and St. Pierre is just spouting the facts we all already know….
Waste of time if you ask me.
Thank you to the person who linked it in the comments.. I laughed all the way through when brian was talking. Brian is the biggest hypocrite I have ever listened to. There was some really great info by allen that will shed some light on people watching it that are questioning legalization. Legalize 2010!!!!
REGISTER TO VOTE. Only vote for like minded States rights types and we will change it from the states on up if the Feds will not comply with the will of “We the People” I still am debating in my own mind whether President Obama knew what he was doing when he laughed at the first “re-legalization question”. Did he mean to open up Pandora’s box so we would change this for him?
The state of Mississippi is trying to lock me up for firing up my choice of smoke. I’m with anyone in the process of making Marijuana LEGAL. State of Mississippi needs to make changes to make all of it FOLKS enjoy their lives instead of working to death. I feel that its only because they can’t establish money. When they come up with a plan to share the economy. SMOKE !!!
Hooray for rationality!
If you didn’t know what alcohol, tobacco, and cannabis were prior to watching this you would overwhelmingly support legalization of marijuana.
Social stigma and ignorance are the enemy.
Spread the good word.
Here’s youtube links to a playlist you guys can share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bGy3LNJeKw Part 1/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-cEAPVPxPk Part 2/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWbLCVjLLPk Part 3/4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0R-lQ9YgJg Part 4/4
Allen did a great job controlling himself and making his point. A few times I wanted to reach through my laptop and strangle Brian. However I realize his ignorance, biased, and one dimensional thinking, what a shame. My suggestion is lets have a nationally multichannel broadcast of this debate, and a segment showing the actual statistics of big pharma drugs vs cannabis. Let broadcast the truth and squash the lies once and for all. Yes George Washington and Jefferson and many, many others smoked it and used it for paper,clothing, rope, and we could use it on a industrial level for 1000’s of things including making cheaper fuel from the seed oil. Lets take back our God given right to be happy and healthy and use the wonderful herb/plant/medicine that God gave us.
PLEASE LETS LEGALIZE WHAT SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN ILLEGAL IN THE FIRST PLACE
Wow, you rocked it, Allen!! You spoke strongly, were very thorough and very easy to understand. Makes me proud. Thank you for your continued work!
Dear America,
Would you like to know what would help us to get out of debt? Marijuana. Its a simple process really. Ya see, you have this seed, and you put it in the ground. And then you wait for it to grow. And you pick the buds off, and you sell it to people. Instant cash. And its all natural. I mean, what better way to make money then that? Especially with a clean conscience. You didn’t concoct this in your basement with some rat poison and tar. You grew this yourself. Its not going to kill anyone. And its not going to rot our teeth out and make us crack whores. Its just going to make us laugh a little more and calm us the fuck down.
Wanna know something else? Those people you have locked up for “possession”, “drug pushers” and whatever other name you want to stick on them. Yeah, well they are wasting the tax payers money. Not to mention, you’re wasting their LIFE and your time because of a plant. A lot of those people are hard working citizens that wanted to make some extra cash on the side. What harm is that? They might have enough cash to go to the store and spend money on things that a family needs. And then the store of their choice gets BUSINESS. Thats called making the economy go round.
As for its other uses besides money. Health. Smoking Marijuana is one of the best ways to relive stress. And help with pain. AND its a whole lot healthier than taking a couple shots or drinking a whole fifth after work. You cant get addicted to it. Unlike other drugs. Not to even mention the EVERYDAY caffeine.
How about you think about it, America. If you want, we can smoke a bowl and talk more in-depth? 🙂
Sincerly, Hillary W.
Watching Brian’s smile fade as Allen began putting prohibition in it’s place was the highlight of my day, so I thought I’d share it (http://i42.tinypic.com/72c8q0.jpg). Thank you NORML; thank you everyone!
Sign I-1068, tell everyone you know about Marc Emery.
Thank you ABC! Thank you NORML! You do your job perfectly!
For those of you who are interested in a link to the video, you can visit the following website:
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/video/nightline-twittercast-legalize-10669238
Legalize now, especially for those who need it medically. But just because its right!!!
just watched the video… brian got owned lol
wow that other guy was fucking dumb. Norml thank you so much for representing Americans like me. legalization Will make it harder for kids to do it, i loved this debate made the other side look like complete fools. weed Will be legal in America and California is sure to see a “Weed Rush” i for one will be one of those to move to show my support and push my own business venture… the Green Chef…we the people need to fight for our freedoms as they take more away everyday this is my pursuit of happiness and they are fucking with me, im tired of giving money to thugs and to think Im supporting wars on my border here in texas makes me completely sick i want weed from a safe steady source and i want to know that the product im getting is guaranteed to work as it should and is not “crappy” im tired of dealing with lowlife drug dealers who lie and false advertise there product.
Ok, so I just had the chance to watch this. I commented above with my letter there, but now I want to comment on the actual video.
WTF?! Brian. Tobacco and alcohol have more negative side effects than Marijuana. I understand your argument about America having access to too many drugs, and why should we make another drug legal?
I think that Marijuana should have been legal before anything else. Then probably the use of tobacco and then alcohol. Marijuana is the least negative. Why would that be the last thing to become legal?
Look at the side effects of Meth, Cocaine, Heroine, etc. You rapidly lose weight. Become highly, sometimes violently addicted. Rotten teeth. Other physical changes, that can never be repaired. The list goes on.
You know what happens if you smoke Marijuana? Hungry. Happy. Sleepy. Red eyes and dry mouth as a physical result. If you abuse this substance to all extremes, then you might have some motor skill problems and cognitive issues. Or in other words “slow” But if you want to roll a joint or smoke a bowl occasionally, you will have little to no real side effects. And you CAN NOT become addicted.
Your body becomes use to things that you do everyday. How you eat, sleep, work. What you put into your body, Marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, etc. It is going to adjust to what you do.
The outcome has side effects. Alcohol damages your liver, heart, brain, disease. Tobacco damages your lungs, causes cancer. And Marijuana causes you to be hungry, happy and sleepy.
Sorry I would much rather stick with pot, than a cancer stick, or have to get my stomach pumped because I drank too much.
Hell yea Mississippi guy!
Very entertaining debate, compared to many other televised debates regarding cannabis over the years. Allen St. Pierre was excellent, and has earned a place in my little book of personal heroes up there with Radical Russ, Ron Paul, Chief Greenbud, Carl Sagan etc. Brian got completely blown away in the debate, even without the help of almost every single twitter message showing favor for legalization which appeared on screen throughout the interview. Also, I definitely got the impression that the lady who was conducting the interview, as any logical person would, with Mr. Pierre.
Bravo Allen!!! You did NORML proud! 😀 ===~
oops! lol In that last bit I forgot to put in the word “sided” with Mr. Pierre… LOL Must be that “short term memory loss”.. haha, since my post is awaiting moderation, could you by chance edit my previous post for me, and then delete this one? LOL
Peace
Since he uses chew I hope his lip does’t rot off.
@ chris, thanks to all who posted the videos.
I was actually a bit surprised when I saw this. I support all the arguments St. Pierre made, however He usually carries more reserve on the talk shows. I can emphasize with the frustration at the complete disregard for rational, scientific discussion.
Frankly, it boiled pretty close to a shouting match far too often. I think the arguments themselves are close to impossible to argue against logically, however the actual discussion got in the way of the arguments rather than supporting them.
That being said, I do still think St. Pierre won the debate by a length and that the core arguments did come across. It’s hard to believe but it seems to actually finally be happening.
There will come a time, when our leaders will confess to us that they are not in control, and that Marihuana Prohibition is outside their power. Because they don’t want us to know anything. The internet is their main downfall. Now, that would explain all of those dead presidents.
JFK opposed the monetary system, and was then taken out for it.
Allen, you missed an opportunity to point out that you’re not a hypocrite for wanting pot to be legal but not meth or heroin, et al. Brian was attempting to nullify your argument that he, as a user of tobacco and alcohol, is a hypocrite for not accepting that pot should be legal:
What you needed to point out is that his position is inconsistent in that he is a user of drugs more dangerous than the one he doesn’t accept should be legal, but your position is consistent because you are a user of a drug that is less harmful than the ones you don’t want to see legalized (and less harmful than many already legal). In short, one can draw a line without being a hypocrite as long as one is consistent.
I know its difficult in those circumstances and you did a great job — just a line of argumentation to consider for the future. Very well argued all round!
Thank you so much Allen. Thank you for interrupting the lame anti marijuana guy whose thoughts are controlled by lies and propaganda.
I could tell from the minute the guy opened his mouth that he was not prepared to speak the truth OR even really understood the truth.
Thank you for continuing to speak up and out.
I wonder about Brian Darling (Expert) who is paying him?
How does he earn a living?
http://www.heritage.org/About/Staff/D/Brian-Darling
http://www.hudson.org/learn/index.cfm?fuseaction=board_of_trustees
I also wonder about John Pee Walters.
http://www.hudson.org/learn/index.cfm?fuseaction=board_of_trustees
It seems to me that those that continue this prohibition of cannabis have a vested monetary interest.
Follow the money.
Just watched the videos. Excellent job Allen! I simply couldn’t stomach Mr. Darling’s erroneous blather toward the end there. It had to be pretty frustrating for you Allen, I appreciate the work you/NORML have done!
Marijuana is illegal because big name companies are afraid that hemp will take over the market. Hemp is the most useful plant known to mankind.
I’m not going to spend time looking for links to this but I know they are facts.
25% of senior High Schoolers claim they can get marijuana within the hour. Alcohol and tobacco are much harder for teenagers to get.
The largest government funded study ever conducted trying to relate marijuana to cancer, concluded that marijuana has no correlation to cancer and there might even be some positive effects. This is due to marijuana isolating the cancerous fat cells from the healthy cells. In other words marijuana makes cancer much harder to spread.
Marijuana use makes people want to sit at home, snack, watch tv, listen to music, and chill out. While alcohol tends to make people act by their emotions, if their emotions are negative the user can often make bad decisions, such as physically or verbally abuse another human being.
Marijuana prohibition has created marijuana dealers. These dealers often will be selling large quantities of pot, worth thousands of dollars. When this is not regulated people can often use violence to get the pot and the money. There is no way of policing this violence because people who are robbed or attacked can’t give the reason that they were selling them pot. Once marijuana is legalized stores will receive shipments and only small quantities will be able to be bought. If a store is robbed they can call the police and the police can find the person and put them in jail.
If pot is concluded to be illegal, tobacco, alcohol, and pharmaceutical drugs should all be illegal too. Marijuana is one of the safest and least addicting drugs known to mankind, while serving as a positive drug for so many illnesses such as cancer, anorexia, glaucoma, and sleep deprivation just to name a few.
Why is it that everytime I watch a debate on the issue of marijuana legalisation, the people opposing leagalization end up taking the debate into to herion, cocaine and crystal meth? The subject matter is marijuana and you anti-marijuana cannot state a legitiment factual reason or study to support your case.
I also have to state this fact. Alcohol and tabacco are the gateway drugs. Both have directly and indirectly killed more people than marijuana can even come close to, ie: alcohol = murder, assult, spousal abuse, rape, drunk driving and then there is what killed my brother. He drank over a period of 20 years that his organs swelled up in his body and died. Alcohol did this not marijuana.
That guy was completely off trying to compare marijuana to heroin. Where is the logic in that?
And these are the people making decisions for us? Uneducated nimrods who can’t speak a single fact or support with a comprehensive explanation.
Brian Darling you are seriously the worse speaker I have ever seen. You just said in response to AStP when he said you aren’t making a fight or a case and you said “Yes I am.” The end. No more explanation other than hypocracy. That pretty much sums up every arguement you had to say in the whole debate.
Any chance one may have a link to this video? I missed it when it was live 🙁
Just kidding, thank you John for posting a link prior to my comment.
Allen, someday I hope you can have a very logical debate with someone who has a clue. For the record, I only use Cannabis. No alcohol, no tobacco, and no pills (Advil as exception). I would like to hear it mentioned in the future, that this prohibition is outlawing the natural (ref. Jack Herer). Thank you. And I hope you get a real challenge someday. For the record, if I ever had a child, I would rather they use Cannabis over alcohol AND tobacco.
Ahhh… why does the Heritage Foundation suck so badly?
Did he not realize how hypocritical he was being? Or how he failed to argue the fact that even government research proves cannabis to be safer than alcohol? Why don’t they realize that arresting the entire population of South Dakota every year on possession charges isn’t making the drug less appealing or less available. And how could he argue that ‘driving under the influence’ laws (of any intoxicant) would change if cannabis were legal? Millions already smoke it, and yet we still here a plethora of drunk driving horror stories. Give us a safer alternative to killing-your-liver alcohol and cancer sticks! You don’t see cigarette execs or Beer execs shooting each other for market control. Make cannabis legal and bring this dangerous, uncontrolled, untaxed market under the rule of law and help separate hard and soft drugs. You can’t get coke just because you can buy beer. You can get coke if you buy weed under our current system because your’e already in the black market. And drug dealers don’t card. Licensed businesses, like pharmacies, do.
Just saw the debate. Allen St. Pierre, thank god your the face of marijuana law reform.
Great job Allen. Keep up the good work. Funny, they always try the slight of hand thing and try to bring narcotics into a cannabis debate as soon as they know they are thwarted with facts. That “hey shiny object over there” thing just isn’t working anymore. Nice try Brian.
The truth will set us free.
Would love to have one of NORML’s ads or one of my truthful vids in a Facebook ad (CHEAP) but cant afford it. Will or is NZORM interested in this? http://www.facebook.com/advertising/?src=fbj9
i think that was a good argument. the prohibitionist looked ridiculous and i think it was good for Allen not to take it too seriously. the madness of prohibition has got to be stopped, but we are defntly getting there…
Hopefully Cali will kick start the revolution!
why is there always so much debating about a plant that is prescribed medically, if there is going to be a debate, just fuckin legalize it already, if its possible just do it….is there a debate on crack/cocaine or the possibilty of legalizing any other drug, no cuz it won’t happen, if your gonna debate then it must not be that bad
Duh Joseph #110, you wouldn’t want to scroll through the comments now would you, let alone read them?
Good gawd.
Brian Darling should be a spokesman for CRAFTSMAN, what a tool! Thanks Allen,Its hard to debate someone with the brain of a mushroom, he’s been kept in the dark his whole life and fed alot of shit!
like i said weeks ago. “f*ck brian darling” he has no place in his line of work. As you can tell he was handed this job because he is a dumbass and anyone with a brain would not take it on because of the lost cause. No one in their right mind can have a real debate against marijuana legaalization with all the scientific facts behind it. Thank you NORML I don’t know what I would do without your hard work!
Wow! That was fun! Allen was in good form and a pleasure to watch. Mr. Darling reminds me of my college Logic classes when I learned the meaning of apriori: My mind is made up, don’t confuse me with the facts!”
Perhaps for those of the same ilk Mr. Darling’s arguments made sense, but for those who have an open mind, or for those who know the facts, his arguments made no sense at all. More people’s eyes are being opened daily to the facts thanks to Allen and others like him. Rock on Warrior!
It looks like you were having fun Allen! I’m looking forward to a lot more of these fun “debates!” Keep up the good work!
I think a different state needs to kick-start it. Cali’s already done all it can. I think we need another state to really make an impact.
Jesus, that Brian guy was a complete moron.
His argument was invalid, I feel like he just wanted to be on national, live T.V.
Why did he keep bringing up heroin, cocaine, crystal-meth, etc? THE ARGUMENT WAS HOW HE’S A HYPOCRITE FOR USING PRODUCTS THAT KILL HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS A YEAR, AND SHOULD BE ILLEGAL, VS A PRODUCT THAT IS PROVEN TO BE 100% SAFE AND HAS THOUSANDS OF USES.
Good job Allen maintaining positive points against the nay-sayer. I think you could debate with the best of them on even a larger scale. He didnt take long to drop the heroin bomb, he really seemed to be making stuff up as he went along. I cannot even drink alchohol anymore, because it makes me feel poisoned! I would stop using tobacco immediately if MJ was readily available. If this bill passes I WILL move to Cali the next day.
Not so sure I liked the closing comment of “educating against” it. First I think vilifying something encourages the rebellious to tend towards it. Second, it has more than a few beneficial uses. Perhaps Mr. St. Pierre spoke too hastily, or got caught up in the reality distortion field of the other guy.
My opinion is people need to hear “the good and the bad” so they can make educated decisions. The more people like Brian want to treat people like unthinking morons, the more he will be obliged; aka the Pygmalion effect, self-fulfilling prophecy.
My sense is the overwhelming majority of teens will avoid it if they are told to and they know they have the opportunity to try it when they’re older. This is why most teens don’t drop out of high school and get married and have kids. They realize they can do that later.
But certainly there are rebellious teens who will do what they can to piss off authority. Thus the need to not vilify it, and I would even include other drugs. Further extending this is if they do get caught up in other drugs, the more the parent has built up a hard-hearted wall via vilification, the less likely their kids are going to be able to tell them they’re in trouble.
Anyway, at times it seemed the Brian character didn’t really believe what he was talking about, but he was spouting it because he was paid to. What’s a soul cost these days?
As a supporter to end the ‘WAR ON ALL DRUGS’… this debate was a great win for Allen and ‘Cannabis Law Reform’.
It would be nice that just once – an opponent to ‘Cannabis Law Reform’ would listen and hear the facts about the – TRUE Stats & Science – of Cannabis and acknowledge they learned something new that gives them an open minded purpose to research the facts further instead of hanging on to their overused, uneducated, one-sided talking points that shines the light on their ignorance.
Brian Darling & those like him care only about themselves and harm humankind in the worst way. These people oversee the fact that America is getting high everyday, yet continue going to school, work, and being creative/productive individuals. The % of the population who partake as a whole – hasn’t increased in over 70 years. I believe that stat is 3% with a fraction of that percentage ending up needing some type of intervention. Please correct if I’m wrong. Education is the key to end the ‘Drug War’ madness.
“alcohol distributers aren’t killing each other in the street” great line!
Thanks NORML :-]
pEACE
Christ. That wasn’t a debate, that was a slaughter. Damn, Heritage Foundation, you’re the leading conservative think tank in the United States and this is the best you can do? The prohibitionist’s agenda is done; they’ve got nothing left but those who’re still clinging on.
I just watched the debate and wow. Kudos to Allen for ripping Mr. Darling misinformation, distored facts, and lies to pieces. Mr. Darling cited No statistics or research on the subject instead saying the Obama Admin. found that it is harmful. ROFL and where did Obama admin. find the information. The truth is they haven’t they are just recycling the same old lies and misinformation because they are afraid he will not be re-elected if they back our position. I say Legalize it!! Thank you Allen for standing up for marijuana smokers across the country.
I just had the opportunity to watch the debate with Norml CEO Allen St. Pierre, and I would like to give you my opinions on this controversial subject. You sir, are a disgrace. You only spouted outdated prohibition propaganda that was started in the late 30’s by Harry Anslinger. In no way should you be receiving a paycheck for the work you do. You are a charlatan and should be fired for such a pitiful job debating this issue. The only reason people use alcohol is to alter their perceptions, you use alcohol yourself, and I imagine this is the reason that you partake. My family has a history of alcoholism and I refuse to fall victim to this despicable disease, so I choose not to use alcohol. I do however enjoy “altering” my perceptions like you do, I just choose to use marijuana, a much safer alternative. There are numerous prescription drugs that are readily available on the black market that are extremely addictive, unlike marijuana, which is not. My father was addicted to Valium due to his mother’s prescription and subsequent dependence. You should definitely read the current facts on these issues and stop being led, like a Lemming, by government prohibition propagandists.
Peter James Seitz
Florida resident
Pothead extraordinaire
my previous post was a letter sent to Brian Darling @ staff@heritage.org Send him a letter telling him how you feel.
“The War on Drugs is the most destructive and dysfunctional social policy in America since Slavery”
The American Federal Governments support of Marijuana Prohibition just drips and oozes with hypocrisy. Legalize It and stop playing this silly stupid game.
One of the best debates on cannabis I have ever seen. Allen was on the top of his game on this one. Usually when I see debates, the pro-cannabis arguers don’t go “hard” enough. But all the stops were pulled out on this one, it was a massacre on that other guy. Great debate!
I just watched the debate on you tube, its pretty clear how ridiculous it is that we allow tobacco and alcohol to be legal and yet still have prohibition on marijuana
I wanted to ‘verify’ the comments made by Mr. Kerlikowske at his meeting with the police chiefs.
I was impressed with the errors and misrepresentations of the ‘facts’ associated with marijuana. He actually contradicted himself on several occasions. He takes information out of context and promotes it as facts. Inciting fear seems one of his motivations. The image of ‘the thug with a blunt’ comes to mind though he does not say so.
I was especially intrigued by his assertions of the harm on our youth. His references to studies on the harms of MJ use, one in particular…..turned out to be a study of heroin users in Australia.
I worked for many years in a residential treatment program which started out as a program for adults and ended up with a program for adolescents. This was a ‘diversion’ program steering kids away from the penal system into treatment. It was a ‘therapeutic community.’ The success depended on two things: the influence of peers (including counselors in recovery) and the involvement of family. These kids primarily had problems with alcohol and ‘hard’ drugs—mainly amphetamine. Few were involved with gangs at first but later this became more of an issue as the culture has changed. Marijuana use was associated with these drugs but not the primary problem. The disruption and chaos in dysfunctional families was paramount. Family involvement proved to be the most beneficial in getting these kids on a positive track. As well as 12-step principles and the therapeutic community.
His comments about using social programs in combination with law enforcement for prevention is a nice idea but will never work. Drug using kids would never participate. Getting parents more involved with their children will. If parents would get off their irresponsible butts and pay attention.
His comments about the “closing down thousands of the coffee shops in the Netherlands” is incorrect. A correct reading of this research stated that two of the border towns have taken this action directed to the thousands of ‘drug tourists’ that come from Belgium and France. “25,000 a week” Obviously because they can obtain marijuana legally there. The congestion and other problems related to a good market for hard drugs were the problems.
Nobody has ever espoused marijuana as a ‘cure all’ for medical problems. The use of alcohol associated with marijuana use is dangerous just as the use of alcohol alone. Combining marijuana with narcotics (oxycontin is most commonly used by teens) can be especially dangerous. There has been little research into the harms and benefits of marijuana without the complication of alcohol also being used. Physicians are responsible to a large degree. They prescribe narcotic pills all to readily. Looking at the disciplinary action take by the Medical Board of California shows many docs cited for excessive use with patients and themselves.
Clearly the use of prescription narcotics is a serious problem with our youth. His suggestion that parents clean out their medicine cabinets is good but these drugs are readily procured on the street. Street drugs probably account for more of the gang activity than marijuana.
The Mexican cartels are mainly trafficking in crack cocaine with amphetamines closely following. Heroin is still being smuggled.
It should be noted that Amsterdam has had the most liberal laws regarding drug use for many years. For this reason this city has been associated with the smuggling of all drugs as a clearing house for Europe. This might seem an argument for banning legal marijuana but there is a significant difference. Mexico’s border towns and the struggle for dominance of the cocaine and amphetamine market has been the main cause of the violence there. There is much more profit to be made with these hard drugs. Smuggling marijuana is just not as profitable as it used to be before our farms were developed.
The cartels are responsible for the majority of hard drug use in the US. They the source of the business of smuggling hard drugs, not the people that are growing marijuana here and down south. Not the dispensaries that are providing it. The dispensaries I know of are run professionally and ethically. Cities are struggling to regulate them as is appropriate if done in a manner to benefit the public. Clearly there is need to develop uniform regulations throughout the state which will help cities define this regulation. And not do so for political reasons.
There is no true ‘gateway’. This depends on the will of the individual. The needs of that individual. It is influenced by the socio-economic and cultural climate of the individual. Do you think a ‘crack whore’ wants to be there? It is the only alternative open to her.
What is a pothead? It is a person who has maxed out on the high, is spaced out or stoned all the time, is uncoordinated, is less intelligent than they were before and is using a lot of marijuana. You can’t get high enough.
Why don’t we look at alcohol and nicotine as equally as marijuana? In fact cigarette use is diminishing. This is not because the price has been raised as proposed by Mr. K. It is because advertizing has been eliminated, being forced to smoke outside is unpleasant and it is just not cool to smoke anymore. (remember all the old movies characters and even TV personalities would smoke openly. I’ve often wondered where they put the ashes and butts.)
Why don’t we put more emphasis on alcohol use and abuse? Prohibition didn’t work. In fact alcohol use and abuse has been prevalent from the beginning of man. It is accepted all over the world.
Tobacco use and abuse came up next several hundred years ago. Yet we have not controlled the tobacco fields even though the health effects are well proven.
The concept of ‘dependence’ is widely misunderstood. Dependence is both psychological and physical. There are always physical withdrawal symptoms associated with substance dependence. The most serious symptoms are those associated with coming off alcohol (the DTs) and narcotics (starting with ‘jonesing’) There are definitely symptoms with stopping the excessive use of marijuana—mood changes………..
Psychological dependence is habitual use that actually interferes with personal development. Most marijuana users function perfectly well and are able to contribute to their own social welfare. Consider the construction worker or anyone doing a lot of back work. The usual habit was to have a couple of beers with the guys after work. Coming home semi-intoxicated, self absorbed and unable to really alter the stiffness after the body cools down. In contrast, the people that I have interviewed, that have a few hits when they come home, get genuinely relaxed and are emotionally present for their kids and wife. “we like him so much better when he gets stoned”. The goal is to feel that “I’m OK now.
Why does man want to ‘get higher’? (for that matter why is greed a driving force causing social problems) When does substance use work against itself? Does beginning the ‘experiment’ use of marijuana lead to the desire to experiment further with hard drugs? How much of the need for social acceptance is there, particularly with weak family involvement?
‘chronic’ versus ‘habitual’…is there a distinction?
Seems that the opposing viewpoint is the same old argument that cannibis will lead to that old demon heroin.Unfortunately the right wingers will be in lock step with this mouthpiece from the Republican think tank.
Wow! Allen just shoved prohibition down Brian Darlings. Brian made not a single valid point for why Cannabis should remain illegal. They need to air and re-air this video debate. A shining example on how prohibitionist have not one leg to stand on for why it should remain illegal. Hope Americans get their heads out of their asses and realize this is one area where change has to come.
Very good debate. Allen was all over him. One part where I feel he dropped the ball a bit, and I know its tough to think of everything in the middle of a debate, but When they used “hypocrite” back and forth, Allen could have stopped that by pointing out that Heroin AND Cocaine have lethal doses. I waited for him to come back with that when the opponent asked why not legalize those drugs too and called him a hypocritye for not wanting to legalize it for those people. Allen should have stated that, “NO YOU are the hypocrite because Heroin and Cocaine DO have lethal doses, and alcohol kills as well. Marijuana does NOT have a lethal dose. Pass it on for the next debate. Good Job…. score for Allen: A-
Allen, you kicked ass!
Thank You!
Next Time ask Brian and any opponent if they have smoked marijuana…
Then ask how often…did they smoke it?
This should intimidate them…and will allow for those who smoked with them, and supplied them to speak out against them.
You could say hey if you know Brian and have smoked pot with him contact us. at Norml we would love to speak with you…
BRIAN! BRIAN! BRIAN! I loved it! I think Allen was having a great time. I was totally amused over Brian’s weak logic (no surprise) and then we find out he’s addicted to tobacco! When Allen found that out his face just lit up. Priceless!
Brian Darling’s cannabinoid deficiency was raging big time. He was in dire need of chew.
I wrote to the Heritage Foundation to express my disgust with this hypocrite, Brian Darling. I suggest you all do the same. staff@heritage.org
To whom it may concern,
Please tell me that my taxes do not fund your organization. Having seen Brian Darling on Nightline arguing against marijuana legalization made it sickeningly apparent how much of a hypocrite Brian is. If he is representative of your entire organization, then I question the integrity of it as a whole. How can you have such a hypocrite – one who uses alcohol AND tobacco (both killers and destroyers of life and health) – arguing against the rational regulation of the cannabis plant?
Brian lost ALL credibility during his asinine argument against legalization that night, as did the Heritage Foundation. It is sad and embarrassing to know that people of such a manipulative and close-minded nature are doing so much to damage the progress of American society.
Sincerely,
Anna
hahahah allen destroyed him
Yeah, this was pathetic. Well, Brian was pathetic. I, too, wrote to the Heritage Foundation and gave them my disaproval of Brian going on TV for a debate and not knowing what the hell he was talking about. All of his arguements have been debunked a long time ago. Prohibitionists are really loosing something to stand on. They really don’t have any factual reasons for keeping cannabis illegal, so they just keep spouting the same, lame, b.s. that has already been dealt with. If the people who support prohibition were smart enough, then this battle would have been over with a long time ago. Unfortunately, I think about half of all Americans are still buying this load of horse hockey, otherwise it would be legal by now. What we need to do is STOP VOTING FOR ANY PERSON THAT SUPPORTS PROHIBITION!!! Once politicians learn that they will not be voted into office if they support making criminals of a million people every year, they will change their tunes ASAP!!
Fantastic job to St.Pierre on this interview. The representative from the Heritage Foundation was flat out lying and being a perfect example of what’s wrong with the anti-marijuana movement.
I felt that debate was much more strongly represented and well done by St.Pierre.
Loved watching it. Not happy with how the Heritage guy was smug as hell. Kinda upset me.
Good job keeping your cool Mr. St. Pierre, I can’t believe that he called YOU a Hypocrite. I was injured in the Army and they covered it up making my life worse in so many ways. Isn’t that corrupt? As I grow and learn about history, this prohibitions agenda to lock up people is equivalent to what Hitler did with Ethnic Cleansing. This Country only wants the elitist and if you are under this ceiling then you are simply not worthy. I’m with those when it comes to voting, lets ask questions and demand more individual civil rights. I don’t smoke cigarettes nor drink alcohol as it increases my pain. MJ is the only natural cure for many things and it doesn’t even have to be inhaled. It can also be locked up in my cabinet along with my other pharmaceuticals so it can’t be stolen or taken by children. This Government under-estimates its own citizens, how sad, but expects so much in return from them. You won’t get it by locking them up, thats for sure. These people such as Brian are puppets and even if the Heritage Foundation are informed about the PROS of MJ and agreed, they are simply paid off by Corporations that has more money than Norml. Money Talks and BS Walks in this Country. Although down at my local thrift store, I still see people who actually care and want to just give their time to other like themselves. Some of these people use MJ, yet they aren’t violent nor unproductive. It simply eases ones pain for a short while and then back to the Norm. I see no harm in this as I have been through the Pharm Land and I simply don’t like it. Thanks Norml
POT TAXES FIX POTHOLES!
This is a slogan I came up with, for the upcoming election.
I came up with a slogan for California’s upcoming legalization vote.
POT TAXES fix POT HOLES!
Its about time they take the time to have a meeting with both sides present. Now the problem is getting through those thick headed skulls we call our leaders. Its time they realize that this war on drugs has been nothing but a joke for decades. Fight the good fight, and keep on keepin on.
I just watched the broadcast online, Good Job NORML.