7/24/09, 12:34 am EST
This is a major disappointment:
Obama’s drug czar, Gil Kerlikowske hit the road this week to rail against the perils of pot:
“Marijuana is dangerous and has no medicinal benefit,” he said at an appearance in Fresno, California.
This is a striking departure from what Kerlikowske told me in an interview in May.
Because of the restrictive terms the Vice President’s office imposed on our interview, I’m not at liberty to quote the drug czar directly.
But when I asked Kerlikowske for an example of how he hoped to bring sound science back to Office of National Drug Control Policy, he told me that science would answer whether smoked marijuana has any medical benefit.
That’s a question that science answers, he told me, not ideology.
From this week’s comments, it appears it took just two more months on the job for Kerlikowske’s openness to scientific uncertainty to snap shut in a fit of ideological conviction.
Tim Dickinson
Cannabis can be consumed safely with vaporization, which provides all of the benefits of smoking without any combustion byproducts.
Ingesting cannabis is another safe alternative to smoking. Ingesting the medicine may take 60 to 90 minutes to feel the effects.
Cannabis has a use safe history. Many people do not know that Martha Lincoln was prescribed a tincture of cannabis by her Dr. after her husband was shot in Fords theater, to help her deal with the tragedy. The queen of England used cannabis forthe relief of her menstrual cramps.
Cannabis is safe and nontoxic, unlike alcohol which poisons and kills thousands of people a year.
A larger than 75% of why the DEA exists is because marijuana is illegal.Without marijuana to pickon a large portion of the DEA war machine against citizens would be eaten by green flys.Would it be so bad that these DEA bozos might have to go into the business of rehabilitation.[The government NEVER lays anyone off the deck is only shuffled].
I don’t need that douchebag to smoke marijuana.
I’m sick and tired of people treating this plant like it’s a drug.
Enough money can give anyone an ideology.
it doesn’t do no where near the amount of damage that all of the legal drugs do and the government can make more off of it without using tax payers money on this phony “war on drugs” that’s putting good people in jail for small amounts of a plant that has never killed anyone in thousands of years.
– It thus appears that Mr ILL Kerly-Kowardski is
now officially an ass-puppet
of the ONDCP and Nance E. Raygun…
– An apt comment I found at Rolling Stone:
A cannabis law-reform complacency-cautionary…
(I hope his predictiveness is wrong, however!).
Kerly-Kow Finds Ideology
Ray | 7/24/2009, 10:00 am EST
It sure didn’t take long for the Nancy Reagan
brain-worm to take full control of Mr. Kerlikowske…
Everyone poised for the end of Cannabis Prohibition
should take careful heed of the sudden change in direction…
the DEA will be back to regularly raiding Dispensaries before the end of 2009.
I wrote the office of the President and asked for Gil Kerlikowske’s resignation.
We all need to write, blog, U-tube, and demand he be replaced. Gupta was rejected because Obama knew we would not stand for it, and Gil lied to be appointed.
You guys needs to step up, join with the other major organizations and call for a massive march. Call ASA, MPP and the rest, make nice, and decide on a date.
We will rock the president’s world. The time is not going to get much better than it is now.
Gee, what a surprise,another politician lying.
huh??
The real power, the last word, has gotten to the new Czar. Who has this power, that can make this happen???
If it is the “number one used substance” in the world, it goes without saying, it is the “number one cash crop” in the world. Who is going to “give up control, not to mention the undetectable cash flow” that is the vehicle for their undetectable operations?
Understand, when you derive at the answer as to who…
“you’re walking on egg shells.”
this is utterly ridiculous—this is BIG PHARM speaking!!!!! they don’t want to compete, let’s see, prescribed medications that only work for 25% of those that are prescribed, with numerous side effects that can last YEARS after you stop taking them and possible overdose, or “quality of life”, with the ability to function, without the side effects, and with NO chance of overdose. which one do i choose?????????????
Prohabitionists’ “smoked marijuana” argument is the old “bait and switch.” DO NOT FALL FOR IT! People should not smoke marijuana. No health conscioucious person should avoidably smoke anything, ever. For rapid effect, marijuana should be inhaled using a vaporizer. Otherwise, marijuana should be eaten raw or in prepared food and/or drink. Obviously, tobacco consumers frequently inhale a substance the government subsidizes and taxes heavily. DO NOT BE CONFUSED! Those of us commmitted to re-legalizing cannabis must drive a wedge between “smoked” and “marijuana.” Otherwise, we will help assure our ultimate failure. I suggest we embrace apponents of “smoked marijuana” and ask them to help us get government subsidies for vaporizers to help cannabis users avoid a well-documented health hazard.
Hey Glenn 8, I agree with you. I have too wrote my President to ask for his resignation, and I have yet for a reply. NOW WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO PULL OUR HEADS OUT OF OUR A$$ES AND TELL MR OBAMA THAT IF HE TOO DOES NOT DO WHAT HIS CAMPAIGN PROMISE WAS *legalizing or at least decriminalizing* OR WE WILL IMPEACH. WE THE PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF BEING LIED TO AND WE THE PEOPLE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS ANYMORE.
I wanna tell you guys something, my father is a sworn Republican. HE hates obama. He told me that b4 we voted him into office that he would be the last president we would see because either one of two things would happen, and guess what they are BOTH happening (which scares the shit out of me). Number one, My father told me that other countries would begin to stand against America. North Korea will begin bombing us because they hate us that much. We will win against them, but probably not b4 more countries and terrorists join North Korea and invade from within. Number 2, is that obama would get a civil war going. 2 states are in process of breaking away from the union of the United States of America. Tennessee and another state, ALONG WITH MYSELF, agree that America is a free country and without freedom, we are nothing as a united nation.
Mark my words, Mr President, WE THE PEOPLE WILL NOT STAND FOR TRANNY. WE WILL NOT STAND NEXT TO SOMEONE OR SOMETHING THAT TREATS US AS CRIMINALS. WE THE PEOPLE ARE UNITED UNDER GOD TO FIGHT AGAINST ANY ENEMY, FOREIGN (YA HEAR THAT NORTH KOREA) AND DOMESTIC (THIS WOULD BE PEOPLE LIKE OUR DRUG CZAR AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DOES NOT SUPPORT KEEPING OUR COUNTRY FREE). SO I SAY, LEGALIZE. YOU WILL SEE WORLD PEACE.
“Because of the restrictive terms the Vice President’s office imposed on our interview, I’m not at liberty to quote the drug czar directly.”
The other day, Norml wrote an article with a clever quip that the new administration should break out an encyclopedia and look up the term “decriminalization”. Well here’s another term that they should look up, and it’s one, that quite frankly, the administration as a whole ran their campain on, It’s the word “transparency”. I guess the quoted statement abouve should be added to the list of dictorial transparency that Mr. Obama has lived by, along with his “transparent” birth records, shooling records, proffsetorial writings, and such.
I can also think of a few more terms to add to the list. Socialist, dictator, liar, hypocrit, industrial tool, lobyist cronie.
Do you remember what happens with the alcohol prohibition? it doesn’t work…
We can get our cannabis on legal or illegal way, the question here’s. Why we have close-mind people on the government.
By the way, they use prescription drugs, and pain killers, Who is the addict,
Remember the McCain’s Wife adiction?
Bush’s Adictions?
We need more money to reactivate America’s economy, just add a tax and that’s it…
This is the language than the politics speak and understand “TAX-MONEY”
I wish public officials were required to manage professional blogs (that allowed comments). Maybe then democracy could regain some sort of grip on this country.
I’m tired of uneducated people and the corporations and cartels running the show
This is no coincidence; the connections between the city, Kerlikowske and cannibus – for those who might not have heard, I have attached recent news of a homicide/drugbust/home invasion.
Here is the link if you’d like the full text: http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1556898.html
Now, there is plenty of room for speculation on the matter – no doubt. But from the looks of things, the set up and the amount, what we had here was a gang-related attack in a small town. The suspect they are searching for, Jose Alfredo Reyes, has known gang affiliations. MAGEC, an anti-gang enforcement arm, was at the scene.
Take heed of this detail: “Court records show that a business run by the couple filed for bankruptcy in 2004 and had $280,000 in debts.”
If a couple of sixty year old citizens of a small town, one a glass repairman and the other, a school administration employee, are involved, how criminal on that wide spectrum can this truly be? Granted, there are all sorts of people, but it seems that the only malicious users aren’t users at all. They are the profiteers. In this case, the LAW has created these factors.
So, rather than make a show of this, propagandize the event, use the wake of this tragedy as a political spring board, why not protect those from the true criminals instead?
This is a dog and pony show, sensationalism at its finest. These opinions, whether they are held quietly or openly posted must be assigned their value. NORML, it’s members and supporters, it is time to take the offensive. Kerlikowske should be publicly grilled for this tripe.
EVERYONE: Please email Obama at the White House website AND Senate Majority leader Harry Reid about legalizing and taxing MJ, and how Kerlikowske needs to resign …this is a big wave we must catch and ride, so write a sample letter and cut/paste it to our leaders now!
Also spread these facts below about why MJ was banned in the first place:
A majority of Americans support the legalization and taxation of pot. It was never banned for health reasons in the first place, they had an immigration problem in the Southwest due to Mexicans bringing pot across the border…so a few officials decided the way to control the immigration was to ban pot, then came the entire ‘Reefer Madness’ propaganda campaign. This was documented in detail on The History Channel. Millions die each year from alcohol and cigarettes, even 10,000 people die each year from over the counter Asprin, yet no one has EVER died from pot. It is a 100% organic plant that grows naturally. When are these people going to put their Political agendas aside and listen to the people??!
As long as I own guns, their is nothing this pupet government can do about my consumption of marijuana
i am 54 almost 55yrs old and am a drs. dream at making addicts of their patients.i have been on every pain killer there is and now “i am strung out on methadone!” thank you govt. and drs. for killing me {destroying my liver and other organs!”}i am on a low dosage of meth 160mgs a day ha ha,i am being fecious! now after yaking it over 2yrs,my tolerance is way high and all they can do is raise the dosage when 2 good joints per day would take all my pain away but the govt. wants me full of chemicals instead of a god given plant!i have traded methadone for weed because i have no job because of age and disabilitys.i dont need the chemicals when i have smoke and will start growing again if something doesnt happen soon. nothing else to do but move to cali and cant afford that either!
CZAR strikes his own river of gold!
It’s our government, we shall do what we wish with it. Science or not, ask the tobacco industry.
I have a question to ask you Gil Kerlikowske, what’s with the sudden change of heart you had with marijuana? Before you became the new drug czar you were pretty soft on marijuana in Seattle and now you seemed to kiss these so called science asses. I think you owe the American people an explanation for your change of thinking and how dare you to insult our intelligent by replying with short answers. The American Cannabis users has been oppressed long enough by those prohibited loving assholes and we are not going to sit back quietly about this.
It seems that he would rather lose his credibility than to lose his job being a boss among high ranking pot haters. Those who are tough on marijuana are still there and they can be very nasty with their dirty tricks. Doing a follow up on the recent impeachment of Illinois Governor Blagojevich, has a certain marijuana prohibitionist smell to it. Guess who is trying for the vacant Senate seat once held by Senator Barrak Obama? Is it Mark Kirk?
no medicinal benefit ! what a moron!
cut the strings you puppet!
He’s just kissing butt. It has to be something in it for him.What a idiot.
more bullshit propaganda and lies from the land of the free!
DEAR DRUG CZAR, “FUCK YOUR NO SMOKING SIGNS”!!!!!!!
listen to my legalization song titled
“FUCK YOUR NO SMOKING SIGN”
listen here—> http://www.Myspace.com/AfterDeathEmergencyRoom
“Marijuana is dangerous and has no medicinal benefit,” says the dipshit who knows nothing about it. NO medicinal benefit? How did this clueless fool get the position of being a drug czar?
Did anyone think about the fact that Obama has welcomed to White House and signed on to the gay, lesbo and transgender fight for special treatment, which I think is really just saying its ok to be gay; but not one has been invited to get a comforting pat on the back if their lobby agenda is legalizing pot?
Will legalizing or just getting Feds out of it cost the taxpayers anything? It will save money
Why isn’t Obama a cool brother? Why doesnt he want to help the thousands of his black brothers who are in jail for marijuana busts of all quantities? Heck, so many are making a living selling it and he knows it. So why not support them? Hes all about the race card for the fellow Harvard grad Gates…how about calling the law that makes a brother who sells MJ a criminal a racist law since so many smoke it and or sell it to survive?
WHAT IS THE “DARK SIDE OF GOVERNMENT”…AND…”WHO IS DARTH VADAR?”
Did anyone stop to think that it’s Darths “OBJECTIVE” is to drive us all to the brink (Brinksmanship) where we simply “GIVE UP ON AMERICA”…or…”THAT WE, AT THE VERY LEAST, INFECT WE THE PEOPLE WITH THE DISEASE OF TOTAL CONTEMPT FOR OUR PRESENT GOVERNMENT, AND ITS FORM THEREOF.”
I’ll bet the M.R. boys (Motivational Research) are burning the mid-night oil trying to come up with psychological keys for us to foresake our resistance, give up the fight, and accept defeat, or at least make surrender appear a reasonable option.
It’s no big secret that the “DARK SIDE IS GUILTY OF
ATTEMPTED ASSASSANATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION.” That’s about as plain as the noses on our faces. It’s also plainly evident that we are becoming a “CONTROLLED MASS.” The question is “ARE WE THE PEOPLE GOING TO GET IN LINE AND FOLLOW DARTH VADAR TO THE PROMISED LAND OF SERFDOM…OR…YES MASTER.” Has anyone figured out that the strategy of separation…creates enemies.
If you ever believed that you were the middle class…
upper or lower…you can forget that. Darth Vadar has his wand pointed directly at you. All he has to do is “ELIMINATE CREDIT”…because…that’s all the middle class is…”THE ABILITY TO PURCHASE SERVICES OR GOODS NOW, AND PAY FOR THEM AT A LATER DATE.” If you don’t have a huge trust, you’re NOT an aristocrat…
you’re a serf. Pretentiousness is no longer a valid vehicle to deliver one to one’s hopes and dreams, as a member of the Kings court.
What am I talking about…you ask. Check the balance
on your credit cards. Where is your next paycheck coming from to make your next payment(s). Where is your house or rent payment, car payment(s), food purchaes, essential necessities of life coming from. For God’s sake…don’t be “IN NEED” of a doctor, dentist, or lawyer…these costs are stratispherical. You’ve got it…”YOUR FUCKED.” To be more precise…
“YOU’RE ROYALY FUCKED BY ROYALTY.”
“BUT…BIG BUT!”
The one thing they can’t take away from us , or separate us from, or prohibit us from, is that “WE ARE STILL AMERICANS….AMERICANS I SAID.” If the “DARK SIDE OF GOVERNMENT” really wants to know what Americans are made of…”JUST KEEP FUCKING WITH US.” You fuck with the American Bull…you get the American horn. You clip the wings of the American Eagle…you get the American Eagle’s talons. Why?…because Americans have our country and our American Spirit. We don’t need this present government. We allow it because it’s convenient to do so. We started from scratch, and we can do it again. And…”whoever said…give me control over the nations currency, and I care NOT who makes the laws”…is full of shit…
brown shit. We don’t need your money either. You become completely defenseless when We the People…cut your money source off…and…send you packin’. If you want to keep your crown in this country…well!
…your lack of fear as to what We the People can do to you, should become more important to you than you’re own aspirations to rule a free society. If you are directing us into the field of battle…we’ve been there and done that. “IT’S NOT OUR INTENT” to take up arms against our fellow Americans…but…if you continue with your un-american activities, true Americans will NOT recognize you as Americans, but rather enemies of the state, and no doubt act accordingly. That is to say…”WE WILL RE-INTRODUCE YOU TO OUR CONSTITUTION…AND…IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS”…relieve you of your governmental standing, even perhaps your citizenship.
You Darth…Mr. Vadar…need a prayer…so…blees you…and…God bless America.
WE THE PEOPLE.
why can’t they out law laying asshole politicians o that’s right no one would be left to carry the bill out and tell the world
21 Rudy Says…”I gotta gun!”
See…That’s what I’m talkin’ about! We all got guns!
What’s more important is…We all have really bad tempers when it comes to taking our freedom away from us. That’s exactly why they want to take our guns away from us. KEEP YOUR GUNS…AND…I PRAY YOU NEVER NEED TO USE THEM.
Those that claim vaporization contains none of the byproducts of smoke are WRONG. Studies on vaporization sponsored by NORML/MAPS showed that vaporization reduced non-cannabanoid content by around 90%. This does not mean vaporization is free from chemicals found after combustion. It is unknown at this point whether combustion byproducts are present in “vapor”, but the studies done so far indicate they are present in vastly smaller quantities.
http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html
Striking reversal, and Striking cowardice. Shame on you, Kerlikowske. How much money did it take to buy you out? What was your price? History will remember you for the scum that you are, make no mistake about that. A fleeting duration of satiety in exchange for an eternity of shame, that was your choice.
What a EVIL GUY.
tell them what it takes to get in an office, then do what YOU want. why doesn’t this suprise me? fight on for freedom.
I read with shock and awe the comments regarding the Czars stance on drugs. Not HIS comments. The comments made by the readers here. C’mon people. He is required BY LAW to support prohibition. Maybe he can/will do something about it, in one way or another. He certainly cannot advocate the decrim/legalization of any drug. But, remember what he did in Seattle. How can anyone possibly imagine the president might call for his impeachment? He’s doing what he was hired to do.
This from wikipedia “By law, the drug czar must oppose any attempt to legalize the use (in any form) of illicit drugs. According to the “Office of National Drug Control Policy Reauthorization Act of 1998” the director of the ONDCP shall ensure that no Federal funds appropriated to the Office of National Drug Control Policy shall be expended for any study or contract relating to the legalization (for a medical use or any other use) of a substance listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812) and take such actions as necessary to oppose any attempt to legalize the use of a substance (in any form) that– 1. is listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812); and 2. has not been approved for use for medical purposes by the Food and Drug Administration;’
Government officials get their info on drugs, for the most part, from the governments Drug Enforcement Agency. Here’s a peek – The DEA Position On Marijuana (http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/marijuana_position.html). Makes it kinda tough to argue, doesn’t it. After all, most politicians don’t think for themselves. They just following the government line.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m a strong advocate of ending the prohibition on MJ. In fact, I support the complete legalization of all drugs. They are a medical, not legal, issue. Educate, inform. Let me make my own decision. As a Libertarian (I find it hard to believe that all MJ supporters aren’t members of the Libertarian party – http://www.lp.org), I believe strongly that what one does with/to their own body is a personal choice. Period. As long as it doesn’t harm anyone else.
Let me offer one other quote. (While I don’t support the individual, I feel what he said is paramount). “What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.”. Who said that? Adolf Hitler. Think people. Our government is “of the people, by the people, for the people”. United, WE have the power! Who’s fault is it that things are as they are now? There are over 100 million people in the US that have smoked MJ. One third of the population. If each and every one of us took action, MJ would be legal tomorrow! “What good fortune for governments that the people do not think.” That’s why I like this quote.
There’s much you can do. If you aren’t already, consider becoming a libertarian. Don’t choose between tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. (The lesser of two evils. Republican or Democrat). There’s also Norml, L.E.A.P., MPP, and others. If you can’t afford to put your money where your mouth is, they all offer free membership. But hell, take some of the $$ earmarked for your next bag of stash, and spend it with one of the groups that are trying to legalize it. If everyone who has ever taken a hit gave just $10, that’d be one billion dollars. Do you really believe we couldn’t get the job done with a billion dollar war chest? At the very least, join some of the mj organizations, and spread the word.
In closing, here’s a fun article from Huffington post; ‘Outlaw Mother’s Milk’ Says Drug Czar – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/don-parker/outlaw-mothers-milk-says_b_244028.html . Good read.
“restrictive terms set by the vice president’s office” Why does that not come as a surprise? It is after all Maximum Sentencing Biden!
The time has come to support and send independents and third party candidates to the congress as neither the demodorks or repugnants can’t be trusted. Both parties are bought and paid for by special interests such as the Prison Industrial-Congressional Komplex.
Fu@kin Gov
Well Ol Gilbert, your one of the last of the dying few idiot prohibs, you need rehab for your prohibists ideas. Even Conan O’Brien of The Tonight Show said it wss good news when 80% of California voters approved to tax marijuana sales in Oakland. Tsk tsk Gilly, your ways and ideas are coming to an end.
Would you all just slow down and listen to what he said! I am quoting norml podcast when I say
“HE is required by law to say these things.”
The quote in the article says:
“But when I asked Kerlikowske for an example of how he hoped to bring sound science back to Office of National Drug Control Policy, he told me that science would answer whether smoked marijuana has any medical benefit.”
“That’s a question that science answers, he told me, not ideology.”
We all know what science says. It is possibly the most benign substance on earth. It is totally non toxic.But, all smoked vegetable matter smoked is hazardous. Ingested or vaporized is not however.
Oakland has set the stage for “Hooking government on their addiction” Taxes.
Little Jacksonville Beach may have just found a chink in Florida’s laws. Decriminalizing the small municipality. The state can’t override it because of the state constitution. Under 20 Grams is a misdemeanor, not a felony.
guys, he is a czar, hes speaking For the president, the guy has NO ONE to check what hes doing, NO ONE to report to except of course the man who created the position.
the only end game I can see is waiting till they control our medical then taking charge of it for cash.
Either way, this is not good, you cannot write and say fire him, or I wont vote for him, because we CANT VOTE IN A NEW CZAR.
Ridiculous
JJ Says:
July 25th, 2009 at 10:23 am @ #14:
I completely agree. Our enemies will strike from within.I keep saying we need to bring the majority of our troops home and make sure we protect our borders first. I second your post! Also there are more than 2 states that are notifiying our government of the right to sovreignty,Alaska, from what I heard from the news yeserday, Has just done the same. Its somewhere around 5 states now If I’m correct.More will follow.
Fucking retard!
Heres a chilling thought:
Was talking to a friend the other day about this great movement toward legaizztion. What if our leaders just relaxed the fed raids just so people would step out of the closet and shadows ,what if they suddenly reverse them selves and start arresting anyone having anything to do with cannabis. Ya it sounds sinister,but what about our government gives you the idea they arent sinister. They lie to us all the time,why would they stop now?
Just a thought, as scary as it maybe.
Heres a video I feel all Americans should listen to and consider..even if you dont agree to all in it. There is something there for everyone.
Because it’s a schedule I substance, the law itself says that cannabis “has no medical value”. Since these laws are the only real laws Kerlikowske is charged with enforcing, he can’t really contradict them.
No drug czar will admit that cannabis has a medical value until it is rescheduled to at least a schedule II, at which time the law would recognize that it DOES have medical value.
Since Kathleen Sebelius has the power to unilaterally reschedule cannabis (which Kerlikowske is essentially forbidden from doing), maybe we should focus a little more attention on her?
Okay here we go again the federal government stuffing bad news down our throat and the american people eating it up like pringles… It’s this simple people stop letting the federal government keep on growing and growing, this country is about states rights. We have to take a stand and put a stop to the federal government jumping into our daily lives especially when peaceful people are getting thrown in jail everyday and having to pay for drug rehab courses (biggest fraud on the planet I might add for smoking marijuana you are instantly labeled a drug attic?????I GUESS SOOOOO!!!! If the federal government was here to help they would LEGALIZE GODS MEDICINE WHICH WOULD BE MARIJUANA……….INSTEAD IT’S FEDERALLY ILLEGAL,AND EVERY MAINSTREAM NEWS STATION OUT THERE THINKS IT’S ONE BIG JOKE. WELL LISTEN UP OUR TIME IS NOW ON ALOT A SUBJECTS TO STOP THIS RIDICULOUSNESS IN WASHINGTON AND TRUE AMERICANS NEED TO TAKE THEIR COUNTRY BACK…………
People really need to take a step on top of a mountain take a deep breath and just ask themselves what the hell am I doing right now. This world is about peace and happiness and instead our federal government is breeding fear and ugliness into our lives. This must stop and we need to start helping out each other especially in this time of need. Prove to the federal government we do not need them anymore we are stronger than they are. For god sakes pick up some tools help someone out for free,build something for free. Let me just tell you something all this fighting about meaningless paper has to stop and we have to start acting like human beings who actually give a hoot. I am trying to see where there are local activist get togethers or gatherings. Look whats going on in the world people you think your going to get the opportunity to get to that greater place if all you care about is greed and power like THEM(FED)
IT IS OUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO PROTEST AND PROTESTING IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN GIGANTIC NUMBERS. I CAN’T DO IT ALONE AND NEITHER CAN YOU. TELL YOUR FRIENDS YOUR FAMILY YOUR NEIGHBORS LEGALIZE GODS MEDICINE STOP THE HATE WHAT IS HAPPENING WE NEED MASS NUMBERS TO PUT AN END TO THIS PROHIBITION. FIRST WE NEED A LEADER TO DIRECT US AND BRING US TOGETHER IN THE NUMBERS SOMEONE NEEDS TO STAND UP QUICKLY I MIGHT SAY WOULDN’T YOU. JUST PLEASE BELIEVE THIS NO MATTER IF YOU BELIEVE IN THE ALMIGHTY GOD OR SOMETHING ELSE HERES A FACT MARIJUANA WAS PUT HERE FOR GREAT THINGS, WE HAVE LET EVIL GET INTO WASHINGTON AND THE EVIL IS STILL SUCKING THE LIFE OUT OF US EVERY DAY.
I read an interesting quote from Andrew Lang that I think applies to all who support prohibition. “They use statistics as a druken man uses a lamp post for support rather than illumination”. How true!
sigh, more bullshit. When will this end? Where are you Obama, where is your mind?
P.S. — CTB rule!
Everyone Go to Cnn.com on there poll they ask do u think marijuana should b decriminalized so far 65% say yes 14%say no we r winning this stupid ass battle
He said “smoking” cannabis had no medical value. I don’t “smoke” cannabis, I have a vaporizer. He may be thinking of possible lung damage from the carcinogenic chemicals found in raw cannabis smoke. Don’t worry about it Gil, a vaporizer takes that out of the equation. Maybe he was thinking about it causing pschosis, and schizophrenia. Don’t sweat that either, it has been shown that that does not happen, the original study was realy screwed up. What else is there Gil? I don’t know. I can’t think of anything. It has been proven that it actualy has no dangerous side effects. Doesn’t make you crazy, doesn’t make you stupid, doesn’t make you lazy, doesn’t affect your ambition. What else Gil? What justifies maintaining cannabis as a schedule 1, controled drug? Just because the government says it, does not mean that it’s true. What changed your mind? Were you told how, and what to think? Are you just another lacky now?
Don’t mind me, stupidity just pisses me off.
How the fuck can the vice presidents office tell somebody they can’t quote somebody. thre has got to be something in the constitution about that.
It seems like those who are against pot are doing more to keep it illegal than we are to get the truth out. I totally agree that sound science should be determined. Naturaly pot is a nutrient so I cant see how its dangerous. The only danger I see is facing social out cast by friends and/or family, a dirty name, and possible jail time for nonviolent crimes if your caught with any. The real danger is the ludicrous laws and myths. So I say put the best scientist to work and lets get it straight.
The only way we can get Cannabis to become legal is to get to know our politicians, get their view on Hemp/Cannabis and if they are one of those pro-prohibition lover, vote their asses out of office. This country does not need to have any more bullshitters running the show. I say enough is enough of bullshits and let do something about it.
How the fuck can the vice presidents office tell somebody they can’t quote somebody. thre has got to be something in the constitution about that. FREEDOM OF SPEECH OR FREEDOM OF A FREE PRESS.i dont know i’m high and drunk. If we let them take away our liberties they’ll surley win. I’m upset on so many difFErant evels it’s not even funny.
Weeds illegal can’t speak the truth cant write about the truth cant do anything but watch decent people go to jail.
What happend to this america bullshit and when does this free bullshit happen.
I’m only twenty 6 been working since I was twelve ain’t got shit from the government but a hard time. Tis is becoming a one sided relationship. and to top it off if u disagree when america u’r a terrorist.
WE GOT 5% PERCENT OF THE POPULATION AND 25% THE WORLDS PRISONS POPULATION. there is now way we’re free. THAT IS SO AGAINST THE CONSTITUTION IT’S NOT FUNNY.
WE’VE ALREADY LET THEM TAKE OUR COUNTRY AWAY WHEN THEY TOOK OUR WEED AWAY. YOU CAN’T EXPECT THEM TO WANT TO GET IT BACK. YOU GOT TO TAKE IT.
i’M SORRY
THE DEMOCRATES AND
REPUBLICANS ARE PRO
WRESTLING. ON TV THEY
HATE EACH OTHER, BUT
THEY ALL ANSWER TO THE
SAME CORPORATIONS. WHO
MAKE ALL OF OUR DECISIONS.
puking rally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have to agree with #8 on this one .
#48 R.O.E. Says:
July 25th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Heres a chilling thought:
Was talking to a friend the other day about
this great movement toward legaizztion.
What if our leaders just relaxed the fed raids
just so people would step out of the closet and shadows,
what if they suddenly reverse them selves and start arresting
anyone having anything to do with cannabis.
Ya it sounds sinister,but what about our government
gives you the idea they arent sinister.
They lie to us all the time, why would they stop now?
Just a thought, as scary as it maybe.
RE:
R.O.E.
– This is the same thought,
echoed in post #7.
– Eric Holder’s statement calling-off the raids on California-dispensaries
and medical-cannabis needs to be backed-up in writing…
needs to be codified as LAW / official-policy…
otherwise, it’s essentially worthless as Obama’s “in depth analysis”
of last Town Hall Meeting’s number 1 question / topic.
#15 pee’od in ny Says:
July 25th, 2009 at 10:23 am
“Because of the restrictive terms the Vice President’s office imposed on our interview, I’m not at liberty to quote the drug czar directly.”
…l here’s another term that they should look up, and it’s one, that quite frankly, the administration as a whole ran their campain on, It’s the word “transparency”…
RE:
– Behold the power of satirical-retranslation
of the dubiously-reassuring “buzzwords” they use,
pee’od.
– TransLUCENCY would be more accurate…
“Translucency”
trans-lu-cent
/træns?lus?nt, trænz-/ [trans-loo-suhnt, tranz-]
–adjective
1. permitting light to pass through
but diffusing it so that persons, objects, etc.,
on the opposite side are not clearly visible:
Frosted window glass is translucent but not transparent
“If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth—certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn.”
— Henry David Thoreau
Science ? Who needs a science based administration when you have a money based everything govt instead ? The worst part is the striaght lying they constantly do to our face. All political appointies/presidents/political party leaders are talking mouthpieces for our monopoly overlords. When will people wake up to reality. If we dont start voting 3rd party or no party and outlaw all corporate money from elections, then its probably time for a revolution !
I got two words for all of you: Ron Paul. He is the only person in the entire senate that not only talks, but walks
[Editor’s Note: Dr. Paul is in the House, not Senate, which means he can’t do anything beyond casting one of 435 votes in the House. Was he a popular presidential candidate? No, he was not as he can’t even win his party’s nomination, and never will because 1) the GOP (and the nation) is not libertarian and 2) he is too old to get elected president.
Therefore, ‘Ron Paul’ can’t be the two word answer to ending America’s 72-year old cannabis prohibition.]
Folks, i think Obama is going to be a one term president. He is not doing what we hoped. Lets not forget how close the election was or the fact it was the internet crowd who put him over the top with a narrow margin. Then he laughed it off when the number one question was put to him in the town hall meetings by ridiculing the internet audience. He has lost most of the steam he had in the online polls. The fervor is over. His latest bust is this guy Kerliwhosky who obviously has shown his true colors.
Sorry, my last post was too short; I left out alot of important things. The reason Obama got a lot of his votes is because he was anti-war, anti-drug war, etc. Is any of this true? Absolutely not. Support for him in the legalization community came because of these lies and because of their perception of him being liberal. It’s time for us to stop being good Democrats and good Republicans. It’s time for us to be good Americans.
Ron Paul’s message has been consistent for over 30 years. He and Barney Frank have introduced SEVERAL pieces of legislation over the years relating to the legalizing of Medical AND Recreational use of Marijuana! We need to start calling our representatives daily and let them know how we feel. Now is not the time for cowardice. Do any of you spend HALF as much time involved in the political process as you do putting your two cents at blogs such as this? If “the powers that be” do not agree, then it is OUR JOB to find someone to replace them. Support liberty candidates by offering your time to campaign for them. If there is not a suitable candidate, then maybe it’s time to find the courage to run for more political offices ourselves. Not only on the national front, but in the city, county and state level. Eventually, if we take an active role in our government, there will be no more nanny state. Do you realize why even if Obama wanted to legalize or decrim he couldn’t? We are a part of the UN, WTO and IMF. Because these international treaties are in place, and they DICTATE policy to our “sovereign” nation, we have no option but to comply with their wishes.
This is why world governance and strong federal government is such a dangerous idea. Educate yourselves on the principals that our country was founded on. Our founding fathers realized the further away our government resides, the less accountable and accessable it is to the people. Now is the time to realize that we are endowed by our Creator the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Healthcare, food, jobs, and other “Rights” are not rights at all, they are sevices, goods, and fruits of our labor. The freedom to consume cannabis is a Right (liberty and pursuit of happiness). So in closing I’d like to say, let us take back our rights! Get involved in liberty, and say no to socialism and fascism. Let’s be accountable to ourselves, our families and communities.
Say NO to Obamacare and other programs that redistribute wealth.
Say NO to Real ID and Pass act. No to any form of invasion of privacy, and repeal the Patriot Act or any type of spy programs on citizens.
Say NO to any form of class warfare and racially biased policies, such as the war on drugs and excessive taxes.
Say NO to any form of gun control, as we may need this as our Final recourse if things get to far.
Say NO to the Federal Reserve!
Say NO to strong federal government and their bloated programs, and YES to state’s sovereignty.
Say YES to like minded people that are truly dedicated to change:
http://www.campaignforliberty.com
http://www.yaliberty.org
“If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their money,
first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property
until their children will wake up homeless
on the continent their fathers conquered.”
by: Thomas Jefferson
(1743-1826), US Founding Father, drafted the Declaration of Independence, 3rd US President
Source: in 1802 in a letter to then Secretary of the Treasury, Albert Gallatin
“Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”
Benjamin Franklin, A Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759)
A proponent of REAL CHANGE,
The Dole
[Editor’s Note: To be a ‘good American’ one does not have to be a Libertarian, there are many good and freedom-loving Americans who do not identify at all with political parties–with almost half the electorate in the US having no party affiliation.]
It appears that Old Gil is just another bought and sold whore like McCaffery, Walters et al. A pox on all of them. History will remember him as a clown, another cheerleader for what is likely the worst domestic policy in our country’s history. What a C word
Listen to what he is saying. Read between the lines.
“I have to lie…but…sound science will answer the question.”
Everybody knows that cannabis is NOT harmful…
including him. He’s giving the whole thing to science…where it belongs. Who else has done that?
69 The Dole…To add to what you have so correctly and brilliantly said.
“Give me control over the nations currency and I care not who makes the laws.” Rothschild
“Competition is a sin.” Rockefeller
69 The Dole…P.S. to Editor
“With almost half the electorate in the U.S. having no ploitical affiliation.”
Perhaps that is why half of the electorate did not voted in the last three elections. Maybe that 50%
could establish a new way of conducting politics…one based on the original concept of real freedom.
65 eggsalacarte……Some might say INCLUDE ME OUT…
ABSTENTIO 86
“I would not be me…if I supported one or the other…not believing in either…especially when both choices have the same origin.
The Obama regime will never decriminalise because a Cannabis economy sidelines the assholes who profit from oil, and wars for oil. Cannabis and community based groupings are anathema to the present corporate-military-financial powers. Obama has been groomed all these years by those who supported Bush. Same master players, different puppet.
People of America, You have been blinded by the US Governent and it’s controllers, the private shareholders of US Federal Reserve Bank, for years. On the ground, the Cannabis World Order is going to supersede the bankrupt New World Order.
So Plant the seeds of Love.
Cheers,
Bud Blazer
“Prohabitionists’ “smoked marijuana” argument is the old “bait and switch.” DO NOT FALL FOR IT! People should not smoke marijuana. No health conscioucious person should avoidably smoke anything, ever. For rapid effect, marijuana should be inhaled using a vaporizer”
Except that vaporizers DO NOT WORK. Anti-smoking zealots, like California is full of, who want to continue to smoke pot like them because of their political correctness, but a good old bong works far and away better than any stupid vaporizer.
And yes, I have purchased, while living in Amsterdam, vaporizer after increasingly complex and expensive(!) (ostensible) vaporizing apparatuses, from the ridiculous to the sublime, and they simply do not work.
I’m not sure if the “vaporizers,” or people who think they get some kind of something delivered into their brain or body using one, actually have never smoked pot, so they don’t know what it is like.
Vaporizers are a fake and fraudulent rip-off. 500 bucks for that stupid bag machine. 500 dollars!
With cannabis, you can light it, or you can ingest it via the mouth with liquids, solids.
it is illogical and improper for the anti-prohibition movement to hitch itself to something which is so ineffective.
I don’t know who convinced people that they were getting the effects of cannabis from these stupid vaporizers.
Eric Johnson
[Editor’s note: Your personal preference maybe smoking to vaporizing, but it is incorrect to exclaim that vaporization ‘does not work’. The science behind the delivery method and commercial popularity of vaporization clearly speak to the fact that vaporization is both an efficient and more healthful delivery method for cannabis for many cannabis consumers and medical patients.]
Obama needs a few new dictionaries himself;
STUPID means mentally slow, dull, dumb and we all know that our Officers’ at the Harvard Professor’s door were strictly and professionally in line.
‘STUPID-ILY’ IS NOT EVEN A WORD.
I AM VERY ASHAMED TODAY OF OBABA; WHO IN THE FUCK DOES HE THINK HE IS ANYWAT?
Um…what’s the medical benefit of alcohol? Why does the fact that marijuana is absolutely harmless mean nothing?
75 Bud Blazer…Who are these shareholders of the Federal Reserve you ask?
Rothschild London & Berlin
Lazard Bros. Paris
Israel Seiff Italy
Kuhn Loeb Germany
Warburg Germany & Amsterdam
Lehman Bros. (now Goldman Sachs) New York
Goldman Sachs New York
Rockefeller New York
And there is nothing federal about the Federal Reserve. It’s a private corp. for the benefit of the people. It’s supposed to be “OUR” national bank.
Obama needs to get rid of that fool joe biden for 2012, and pick Ron Paul. that would be tru bi (tri) partisanship savvy. I would reverse the ticket though with Dr Paul as president. he is not too old and don’t give up on him yet in his party of fools especially! when a hillbilly & a mormon are your two main foes i’ll give him quite the shot to come out the darkhorse with a well run internet based campaign.
[Editor’s Note: Dr. Paul is in the House, not Senate, which means he can’t do anything beyond casting one of 435 votes in the House. Was he a popular presidential candidate? No, he was not as he can’t even win his party’s nomination, and never will because 1) the GOP (and the nation) is not libertarian and 2) he is too old to get elected president.
Therefore, ‘Ron Paul’ can’t be the two word answer to ending America’s 72-year old cannabis prohibition.]
#13 Mike Stroup Says:
July 25th, 2009 at 10:11 am
“Prohibitionists’ “smoked marijuana” argument
is the old “bait and switch.”
DO NOT FALL FOR IT!
People should not smoke marijuana.
No health conscioucious person should avoidably smoke anything, ever.
For rapid effect,
marijuana should be inhaled using a vaporizer.
Otherwise,
marijuana should be eaten raw or in prepared food and/or drink.
Obviously,
tobacco consumers frequently inhale a substance
the government subsidizes and taxes heavily.
DO NOT BE CONFUSED!
Those of us commmitted to re-legalizing cannabis
must drive a wedge between “smoked” and “marijuana.”
Otherwise, we will help assure our ultimate failure.
I suggest we embrace opponents of “smoked marijuana”
and ask them to help us get government subsidies
for vaporizers to help cannabis users
avoid a well-documented health hazard.
RE:
Better yet, Mike,
Rather than merely “driving a wedge” between the words
“smoked” and “marijuana”, let’s just get rid of them entirely!
VAPORIZE CANNABIS, instead.
– The term “marijuana” / “marihuana” is a Hispanic-perjorative,
designed to transform something relatively-benign and familiar
into something sinister and foreign…
gasoline, to feed-the-flames of
early twentieth-century xenophobia…
– Even though cannabinoids have been found to mitigate
the effects of pyrolytically-generated carcinogens,
nothing can compensate for CO2 / carbon-monoxide,
except avoiding the combustion-process in the first place…
VAPORIZE CANNABIS!
This is just a sad story of people actually believing the attorney general is halting raids. Well, it was not a week after Eric Holder said that and a San Francisco Marijuana Dispensary was closed by Federal Drug Agents. Now here is another simple case of what I like to call “Flip Flopping”. Just like the president said he would stop it, it continued. He’s a lying basturd and so is the new drug czar. He claims to be in favor of medical marijuana and legalization yet in a single speech he became a liar. Just like Obama, Holder, and now Gil Kerlikowske. Wake up America
the obama admin once again proving to be liars. ‘meet the new boss, the same as the old boss’
ok the only clear move obama should make at this point is to appoint someone in this guys place for breaking policy of his campaign and promises, otherwise hes going to lose a lot of face fast, it would make me sad if hes another puppet truthfully
This Right Wing Liberal government will never legalize cannabis. Not in 40 years and not in 80 years, we only have so long to live! The Ring Wing Conservative government was against it and now this new promise of the current regime fake change government is just the same. Dupont and Monsanto will never release their corporate stranglehold on the government. Too bad for us.
Obama and Kerlikowske, hypocrisy in action.
Oh please, this uneducated lying pile of poop isn’t going to stop me from smoking it.
I thought this was a good response to this bull shit…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/don-parker/outlaw-mothers-milk-says_b_244028.html
Wow, what a snake the drug czar has turned out to be. It’s all about money dudes….MEDICAL MARIJUANA = LESS PROFITS FOR PHARM COMPANIES…it’s sad.
ALERT ALERT ALERT ALERT……..I SAY WE DEMAND A WASHING OF WASHINGTON AN ELECT SOME TRUE AMERICANS IN THERE……ALERT ALERT ALERT STOP BEING BRAINWASHED BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA……ALERT ALERT ALERT IF WE DO NOT SPEAK UP YOU THINK THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS AFTER ALMOST 100 YEARS THIS IS A JOKE AND OUR TIME IS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I AM CALLING ON TRUE AMERICANS TO COME TOGETHER AND JUST SAY NO TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT……WE NEED TO MARCH IN THE MILLIONS TO WASHINGTON DC AND SMOKE A BLUNT RIGHT IN THEIR FACES!!!!!!
I’m sorry, JJ #14, but both you and your father are nutjobs.
Your post (as is my reply) is a bit off topic, but beyond that, if any dissolution of America is going to happen, it’ll be because of essentially racist or culturocentric nutjobs as yourself not being able to get over the fact that America voted in a liberal black man. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s not a failing of the American public; it’s simply whiny white people unable to cope with reality and want to blame it on anything they can. That simple.
“Much virtue in herbs, little in men.”
Benjamin Franklin
It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire
We gain an inch and they take back a yard from us again. We say just listen to us they want to make war with us again. We offer an olive branch they offer us prison time again.
This dick is like the Dutch boy with ten fingers. His problem is he has twenty leaks in his dike!
It doesn’t matter what he thinks at this point, people will legalize pot over the next few years. If Kerlikowske has changed over the next few months, then what or whom does he have a hidden agenda with? Sounds like a nightmare movie flick to me, he could have been compensated and no one would ever know the source. Whom ever is really calling the shots here would be viewed as a bad guy by the majority of us, the pot smokers. It’s all about voting isn’t it? It’s about saving lives too and it’s sad more people don’t speak up a little more often in public! : (
Have a great week from the Cumberland Plateau in middle Tennessee!
cnn did one of their quick vote polls the other day, asking,”should marijuana be decriminalized?”
at the time i had cast my vote, the results were roughly looking like this
yes – 60% (200,000)
no – 15% (50,000)
only for medicinal use – 15% (50,000)
Dear Editor: Actually the Ron Paul folks aren’t even considering a 2012 run. We are starting locally and working our way up through the system. We had MANY state government victories last year. Look at our massive grassroots campaign for HR1207 / S601. And we already have 3 extremely viable candidates running for house/senate in 2010 with MANY more to come in the next year. Look into our record for raising money for a candidate in one day ($6mil). We have and certainly are making an impact in government.
Listen, not to be a jerk, because I really support what NORML does and I always donate… But we are much better at grassroots campaign than NORML is and has ever been. Raised much more money and much more of an impact in both local and national government. This has all just been in the 2 years as well. I blog all the time about joining forces with you in libertarian circles, we have a lot we can learn from each other. But taking every advantage to remind us that Ron Paul did not win the primaries in ’08 is not helping me connect the two campaigns where they can connect. So keep it up, see how much of an impact we have on government just with HR1207, and then in the coming elections. No hard feelings though, when you come to us we’ll be happy to work with you still.
[Editor’s note: NORML is a non-partisan organization made up of diverse political concerns and does not work exclusively with any political parties.]
He is just another tool of the government, speaks with Forked Tongue Syndrome, the language of the government. When they gave him the title of Drug Czar and some Authoritarian power and wasted tax dollars for a salary he will tell the public that the Moon is made out of cheese and the cow jumps over the moon. Money talks but bullshit walks and he’s got a lot of walkin to do. The GREEN FOOTPRINT will eventually stamp out MARIJUANA PROHIBITION and get rid of the DRACONIAN LAWS and LIBERATE the victims of the so called DRUG WAR. 420 ALL THE WAY!
I know this is off topic. Please allow it.
Please write a letter to your senators and congressmen to not vote for the HR 2454 bill, the Wwaxman-Markey climate and energy bill. It will be a disaster for our economy. BTW: I notice that (R) Representative Mark Kirk supports this bill. I am familiar with this guy, he is an absolute idiot and a crooked politician. I would oppose this bill solely on that basis.
Go here to read more about this.
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/text
HERE’S SOME LAWYER TALK FOR THE PROHIBS
LATIN
Merda taurorum animas conturbit.
and
Non grdus anus rodentum.
so
Vescere bracis meis.
and cannabis advocates
Illegitim non carforundum.
ENGLISH
Bullshit baffles brains.
and
Not worth a rats ass.
so
Eat my shorts.
and cannabis advocates
Don’t let the bastards grind you down.
Wow. Amazing how I got singled out because I’m “Libertarian” (NOT once did I say that. I am politically conservative being anti- war, in favor of a balanced budget, cutting spending in just about every sector of government, anti- gun control and am socially liberal meaning do what you want as long as you don’t hurt anyone, cause financial loss to anybody, and don’t hurt the environment). That is the TRUE role of federal government according to our founding fathers. I have NO affiliation with ANY political party. If that makes me sound libertarian, so be it. I didn’t always think that way, but through educating myself and actually paying attention to what’s going on have I come to my belief system. I don’t affiliate myself with large groups because a lot of people talk a good game, but unless you are there you have no idea what is happening behind the scenes. Politicians are driven by polls, not issues. Let me amend my statement. Now is not the time to be good Democrats, Republicans, Reform Party members, Libertarians, etc etc etc, it’s time to be good Americans.
You completely missed my point. I don’t care what you are politically. Your argument just proves my point… You are letting YOUR political affiliation (Democrat? Which is OK by the way as long as it doesn’t blind you) take precedence over what you want to get accomplished. It’s like a pitcher and a designated hitter arguing who is more important to their baseball team, all the while distracting the rest of the team in the race for a pennant! Instead of attacking people that support the racist and unconstitutional War on Drugs, you are attacking people on the same team! It’s kind of like NORML people and MPP and other organizations arguing whether medical, decrim, or outright legalization is the way to attack the system. YOU ARE ON THE SAME TEAM! A house divided against itself cannot stand.
The only reason I provided those links is because instead of bickering amongst ourselves, which is counterproductive, I was simply giving people additional tools along with legalization groups to direct their energies into positive change. Campaign for Liberty is trying to take back our country by organizing people on the local, state, and federal levels to run for office with liberty (including freedom to smoke “devil weed” recreationaly or for medicine) principals. And for the record, the second time I ever heard of Ron Paul was the fact that he got an A+ rating on NORML’s website (the only one to do so by the way). He may have been alone for a long time, but if you noticed most people in the GOP are falling in line with his message now with transparency of the Fed. If they started following him drug policy as well, we would all be better off. I support him because he actually DOES what he SAYS. If that changes I will be the first in line to put his feet to the fire.
The only reason I posted such a liberty message is I noticed a lot of these posters shared these “libertarian” thoughts already. No comments for them? I was merely trying to give some lost sheep a place to direct some of that positive energy. I hope this doesn’t come off as too b!tchy or condescending, because I don’t mean to attack you, just your short sighted ideas. I appreciate the work that you guys do, but hope you aren’t shooting yourself in the foot. I wish you the best and forgive you. Now if you’ll excuse me I’ve got some elected officials to get a hold of.
LIBERTY loving American,
The Dole
PS thanks for your support fellow blog members, apparrently I am not alone here. Keep up the fight! Love the Rothschild comment. People understand what’s going on more than I thought!
[Editor’s note: “Campaign for Liberty is trying to take back our country by organizing people on the local, state, and federal levels to run for office with liberty (including freedom to smoke “devil weed” recreationaly or for medicine) principals.”
Despite your opinion and unlike you, NORML does not steer or direct readers to political parties or their pet projects (ie, ‘Campaign for Liberty’ is self-evidently a Libertarian project), so it would appear that you are trying to influence readers’ views, by promoting libertarianism/Ron Paul/Campaign for Liberty–not NORML.
BTW, there is a reason why there are 15-20 different drug policy reform organizations, and it is not because they are necessarily working with each other.]
PPS I think it’s hillarious that you are telling people what to think when that is exactly what irritates you about the War on Drugs… People in Washington telling you what to do with your body and what to think. Be careful that you are not becoming what you hate.
[Editor’s note: Again, you, not NORML, are promoting how readers’ should think by directing them to Libertarian projects. NORML is not telling anybody how to ‘think’ or what to put into their ‘body’, only informing readers that 1) Ron Paul (or any single member of Congress) is not the answer to ending 72-years of prohibition and 2) while many supporters of cannabis law reform may identify themselves as ‘libertarian’, the country currently (and historically) does not embrace libertarian candidates–otherwise the LP would be a viable third party with hundreds of elected policy makers holding important elected offices. But in the minds of many, regrettably, such is not the case, and the prospects of the Libertarians breaking through in the next one or two election cycles appears remote.]
PPPS Campaign for liberty has no political affiliation either, they will support candidates that are Republicans, democrat or independent parties. The messages is liberty and the constitution. Maybe pick up a history book and research before you make your “editor’s notes”. Nowhere did I ever recall them touting a political party. Every time I think I’ve made my last comment, I read more rhetorically asinine statements.
[Editor’s note: Campaign for Liberty may technically be ‘non-partisan’, but the project was conceived by, is marketed to, and is trying to be implemented by individuals and organizations with long and strong connections to the Libertarian Party and libertarianism philosophy.]
I say the only way we can decriminalize & legalize hemp/cannabis is to ban together and vote. We had the largest voter turn out for the president election and ruin the great republican stronghold for first time in over 25 years. We have to educate people who doesn’t have a clue what hemp and cannabis can do for this country. I’m 50 and I have seen how our government tried to oppressed people to the point where they feel they don’t need to get out and vote because it won’t matter who they vote for. Today, with the use of internet and we can see how our politicians doing their job and find out who the prohibition loving weasles are. We have to ban together and vote them out one by one or otherwise we may very well have Mark Kirk as our future president (may God forbid that to happen).
Wow, another politician got elected and decided to roll over on the voters? You don’t say?! Maybe we should keep telling each other about the benefits of cannabis while letting ourselves get taken advantage of. Oh we’re already doing that, good stuff! Obama, enjoy your 1st and only term bubba, you and Bush sr. will have much to talk about in a squandered 4 year stint as head puppet not in charge. Good thing we have organizations looking out for our best interests …making a difference.
We, as humans, have been rounded up like cattle. We are no longer free. We are all victims of the largest conspiracy to control the world ever!
Alcohol Prohibition was thinly disguised as a moral issue. What it was really about was removing the ability for the common man to make his own fuel.
Alcohol burns cleaner than dirty petroleum. When prohibition was lifted, the oil barons had won. They did not care about grandpa going to the bar, they wanted to take away the freedom of American farmers to make their own fuels.
Enough alcohol could be made from one acre of potatoes to fuel all of the farm equipment for a year. If American farmers could produce their own fuel, they would not have to have petroleum delivered to their farms for fuel.
After prohibition was lifted, alcohol was completely regulated and productions of “fuel-grade” alcohol by private citizens was made illegal. This effectively killed the American farm. If we were allowed to produce fuel from our farms, we would be buying our fuel from the American farmer instead of the petroleum companies.
Outlawing hemp was the final nail in the coffin to farmers. Hemp was been guilty of being the most useful plant known to man. A man who can grow hemp, needs not a thing from the big industrial complex we call corporate America.
You can produce 300 gallons of hempseed oil and 800 gallons of ethenol on every acre planted. That is enough to fuel 4 cars for every acre planted per year. Hempseed oil is our most wonderful renewable natural resource. The primary ingredient for safe non-toxic paints and varnishes, carpeting, plastics and cloth.
Henry Ford recognized the value of hemp to the American farmer. Henry Ford envisioned American farmers being able to produce hemp in sufficient quantities to produce automobiles from the fibers in light weight composites and demonstrated it by building a hemp car in 1943.
This car weighed 1/3 less than a conventional steel car
was ten times as strong, filmed withstanding axe blows from then 78 year old Henry Ford in the winter. The vehicle did not dent and would not rust.
Dupont Chemical company recognized that if they could make hemp illegal they could corner the market for such things as paints, varnishes, plastics, cloths, carpeting etc. All of these items had been traditionally supplied by hemp and all of these items were needed in great quantities for Americas new found passion, the automobile.
In 1934 Dupont bought General Motors. In 1937, hemp was made illegal and Henry Ford’s dream of empowering the American farmer died. The deed was complete.
With Americans (farmers) unable to create products like automobiles and their clean fuels from god given renewable natural resources, the petrol companies tied our hands as free Americans.
We need to unite behind the American farmer and demand our rights be restored as our forefathers envisioned them. If we freed alcohol and hemp regulation, America would grow strong again. Our forests would not be cut down anymore for paper. Our cars would be green. Our citizens would be the reapers of great profits instead of the dirty corporations.
The Civil War was as much a war between the big-business and the farmer as it is today. We need to march on Washington and send these politicians packing. Bring the tar and feathers. We can take back our freedoms by simply educating ourselves to what is truely going on.
God bless America! Free the American Citizen!! We demand freedom!! We demand the American farmer be set free. I want to buy my fuel from my own neighbors farms. Keep the money local. We must take back our freedom before it is only a word with no meaning.
Check former drug czar Barry McCaffrey’s “perls of wisdom” at Huffington Post…..
Qoute from the blog:
>>> “Our traditional justice system has been inadequate to the task of breaking the cycle of substance abuse and crime. Four out of every five offenses are committed by someone with a drug or alcohol problem; and we just keep locking them up!”
Check the rest of what this hipocrite sais here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gen-barry-mccaffrey/breaking-our-addiction-to_b_245401.html
This is the last post. You should be working WITH the legalization community, not against it. Maybe you should join the drug czars office where opinion rules over facts. This is from C4L’s website, which should clear this up:
Campaign for Liberty is a 501(c)4 lobbying organization which neither supports nor opposes candidates for public office and claims no
responsibility for the actions of individuals or groups of individuals who use the Campaign for Liberty logo or name or who may claim to act as
representatives of the Campaign for Liberty without prior written consent of the Campaign for Liberty.
Sounds a lot like NORML to me. Let the truth speak. I guess I should just be thankful you didn’t delete my posts. You guys are a lobbying organization as well. Doesn’t this prevent you as an officer of NORML from supporting any political party over another? I guess I’m just wasting my time. I called AND wrote Obama, Jim Sensenbrenner, Russ Feingold and Herb Kohl. What have you done for the cause besides divide and conquer today? I think the truth speaks for itself.
Thanks,
Don Lucas
PS Don’t worry, this is my last post to you.
pps IT IS YOUR JOB TO BE POLITICALLY IMPARTIAL AS A MEMBER OF A LOBBYING ORGANIZATION, NOTE MINE AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN THAT HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH NORML, C4L, OR YAL.
This so called Drug Czar is a joke. This person really needs to look at what is going on around him and what is realy happening to this country. No jobs,no money and you keep puting people in jail for cannabis. Has this country forgot how to think for themselves, for 70 years this has been going on and i am sick of it. We need to get rid of all these so called politicans, who think it is there job to take care of us. We can have this drug but not that one. Gil Kerlikowski, says there is no medical value from cannabis, how does he know? Has he done research, has he done studies to find out the truth or did he just believed Anslynger, Hearst,DuPont, Rockafella and what they said in the late 1930’s, they all wanted cannabis to disappear from the face of the earth. I really thought Obama was going to help with legalizing cannabis, but i guess he lied too, sad.
I am a young 60, people tell me I look like I am in my late 40’s. You be the judge first cannabis use was in 1971 have not been to a doctor since 1972. I say its good for you!!
Cherokee Fred Jesus
These people have a drug problem, the drug is money, power, greed. They inslave us for profit it is time to end this atrosity in our great country.
CFJ
ALL WE WANT IS FREEDOM OF CHOICE, SIMPLE AIN’T IT???
CFJ
IYOU’RE FOR LIBERTY…STAND UP!
IF YOU’RE NOT…SIT DOWN AND SHUT THE F–K UP. HOW’S THAT FOR AN OPINION. AND MAY I REFER YOU TO 102 POST.
we need this guy to come say this in san francisco.
how many other non native plants are farmed in the sierras, get over it. we’ll grow our cannabis & our hemp when allowed. YOU SUCK ARNOLD S. YOU SUCK NEW DRUG CZAR. did you not learn anything in washington state? you are already corrupted by washington?
end the unjust, overcostly, doomed 2 fail prohibition on cannabis & hemp throughout the americas once and forever.
Never saw this one coming, the government influencing decision making…whoa big surprise. How sick is this getting. Even officials that declare an allegiance to reason and scientific proof end up having nothing to better to say than “its bad.”
I’m sure WE ALL wish we can go behind the scenes and find out exactly what goes on behind closed doors. Why does cannabis make the powers that be so nervous?
i can drink 20 shots of alcohol and die, pop 20 prescription pills and die…or smoke 2 bags of pot and be a little high..LEGALIZE ALREADY
Very well, Mr. Kerlikowske. By changing your stance in the war on drugs you have openly invited the possibility for revolution. There is always revolution upon governments who don’t respect the will of the people. No more is this true then in America. THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, NOT THE WHITE HOUSE’S!!!!! Do you and your foolish government officials really think you can take on the people of the United States of America? We want it legalized. Legalize it, or eventually we will make you.
The drug czar is not a joke. He is simply a lacky that has been shown his place and put in it. There is another possibility, the lining of his pockets got so heavy that he just had to sit down, and they only made one chair available.
112- Obama never said he would legalize, but he did say that we need to rethink our marijuana laws. It is a disgrace that he made such a big 360 on that statement.
Obamas Approval rating is 49% and Legalizing Marijuana is at 41%
I look forward to seeing how those numbers differ in two years from now………… USA is more ready for legalization then it has ever been before
I really hope that we can end this prohibition within the next few years!!
“Editor’s note: Again, you, not NORML, are promoting how readers’ should think by directing them to Libertarian projects. NORML is not telling anybody how to ‘think’ or what to put into their ‘body’, only informing readers that 1) Ron Paul (or any single member of Congress) is not the answer to ending 72-years of prohibition”
But see you ARE telling people how to think by telling them Ron Paul is NOT the answer. How about you just keep your editors notes to yourself and let the PEOPLE discuss the issues on your message board. If you were truly impartial to politicians, you would NOT say someone’s opinion is wrong because you PERSONALLY think the politician or movement is not viable (which is your opinion man.) So let’s get this straight: you wont tell people who to vote for, but you have no problem telling people who not to vote for. I fail to see the difference.
I am sure your “hope” and friendly editorials about Obama the candidate materialized in at least a few votes from NORML members/readers for him. Well that is just working out dandy isn’t it?
It’s too bad because I really thought C4L and NORML could work together and lobby politicians on this ONE issue. Maybe others were doing otherwise, but I for one was trying to form a symbiosis with NORML, not recruit and convert people to libertarianism. But NORML editors can continue to naysay Ron Paul unnecessarily at every opportunity, yet FAIL to make a similar comment when someone writes that we shouldn’t give up on Obama. Your hypocrisy is undeniable, and you clearly are directing people to certain political ideologies and not others when WE THE PEOPLE should freely discuss these issues on your message boards..
Unfortunately I can no longer continue to support NORML if they are going to use your editorial powers to bully one political ideology and not others. I will no longer try to point other libertarians/constitutionalists/freedom loving individuals to your organization, as I clearly foresaw a symbiosis that can not exist. It is really a shame, and best of luck to you.
Finally, I urge you to follow HR 1207 specifically, and other causes that we are actually making an impact on in local and national government. When you realize that we are movers and shakers and much can be learned from each other, we will be more than willing to work with you as we support legalization and all-around personal liberty.
[Editor’s note: NORML does not tell anybody who to vote for and if Liberty for Change chooses not to work with NORML, that is Liberty for Change’s choice. If this is because thin-skinned commentators like you need a civic lesson that 74-year old congressman 1) who can’t come even close to winning their party’s nomination for president are in fact not a viable reform vehicle for the tens of millions of Americans who consume cannabis, 2) no single member of congress, let alone a genuine political ‘maverick’, is going to to influence the outcome of 70 plus years of cannabis prohibition, so be it.]
People of America:
I have been doing a lot of reading. Been reading about our forefathers,about the history of this nation,been reading about the hows and whys of the laws our past and present leaders have made. I have learned more than maybe I wanted. Its sickening me to the core. Purposefully or not, our leaders have ruined what our foerfathers have created. They lie,they act as if they are entitled to suck the life out of us for the rest of thier lives.they act as if they are above the laws they make for us .
It is time,time for a nation to heal its self. Time to rid its self of the uglyness they live by.Time for the people to become a family again. Time to stop the fight amongst our selves,the fighting our leaders cause. Time to pull the veil away and see that two parties are one in the same. Time to see these devils speak with forked tounges and two heads. Time to demand the theieves and hypocrates step down or pay for their crimes. Time for true patriots and contryman to lead this nation back to the greatness that was intended. Time to show the world that WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA have woken up,show the world that we are strong,show that we are angry,show that we have come to claim what is ours!
The giant the is WE THE PEOPLE is slow waking from a long slumber! Leaders of this nation! Fear us or parish!
People of America:
We must organize, must march on washington,must stop the insanity that is our leaders,must remove the hypocrites that would keep AMerica from growing stronger than ever.
Bring out your VOICE, your SINGS OF PROTEST,bring out your COMMON SENSE! Force it on the thieves and hypocrites that have ruined your nation. Burn off the ticks that suck the life out of this great nation. DEMAND TRUTH, DEMAND THE END TO GREED AND THE LUST FOR POWER! For this is the death of our great nation! Save this nation or the enemies of America will destroy us all. You are the cure! you my fellow Americans! You must bring justice to our nation,for with out you, WE THE PEOPLE IS MEANINGLESS!
This is not a disappointment.
I’m still smoking weed today like I was 15 years ago.
Where is the disappointment in that?
I knew this asshat would 180 just like Obama did, so I wasn’t disappointed, I just called it before it happened was all.
Speaking of smoking some more marijuana, I’m off……
I agree with number 85 Scott. Im pretty sure its gona be illegal for decades to come. Most orginizations arent working together and stonys overall are lazy and unMOTAvated. Hell our comments and blogs are the only good thing that comes from NORML. Basically a time kill and unloading zone. They’ll never change nothin. But if every single stony in this country hitchhiked, drove, or walked to capitol hill and demanded change and refused to leave till reform occured then it wood come. But i kno IM havn trouble leavin my computer chair. LOL and i know all you are too.
we got to get rid of the “drug zcar” he is a waste of our money, he dosent do anything but report to obama about some nonsense bullshit. What the hell do we need a drug zcar for anyway? what the hell is it that he do….just lie his ass off?
This article isn’t horrible. Gil may have ill-perceived notions on marijuana, but 81 illegal aliens were detained and hopefully sent back to Mexico. Why Gil and Obama don’t see the big picture here is beyond me. Here we have people from another country risking life and limb for no other reason but to engage in an illegal operation to make money that isn’t helping America. They are literally taking a dump on our face. I mean this IS the drug war problem. I guarantee if our borders were secure these dangerous outdoor grows that make headlines wouldn’t be here. You would have some dumb hillbilly’s, but not professional Mexican cartels that only exist to break our laws for profit for only them and their country. They kill, rape, and force enslavement on their own people and ours because some people want to buy cheap weed from cartels. STOP BUYING MEXICAN MARIJUANA!!!! KNOW WHERE YOUR CANNABIS COMES FROM!!
how can someone live with their self? by keeping the lies and hate going when they could be a hero..
One question, how is this issue their decision to make? (added by Mobile using Mippin)
Guess what BIG BROTHER? I’m going to smoke this non medicinal gateway drug anyways.so LOL to you mother f#ckers…
Boo Babylon
I cannot express enough how disappointed I am with Obama and everyone he has put in power. This might sound stupid to some of yall but the only reason why I voted for him is because he seamed at the time to support legalization, vs. his adversary who was so against the whole idea I couldn’t see a picture of him without wanting to throw up. But now that Obama’s true colours have come out I wish I had in fact voted for the opposite party. Obama if you are reading this (even though I know you’re not becuase it is obvious you don’t care) I curse the day I assisted putting you in office. Please all readers of this if you support Obama do not get mad at me all I am stating here is personal opinion that apparently wont ever change anything. Instead please hear this, the only way we can get the politicians to change this is if we show them that their career will be over fast if they don’t listen to 60+% of the people that put them there to begin with. (Refer to 98) What happened to change we can count on Obama?
-Mike H
#76 Eric Johnson Says:
July 26th, 2009 at 9:59 am
“…Except that vaporizers DO NOT WORK. “
RE:
– This sounds very difficult to believe, Eric.
Anti-smoking zealots, like California is full of,
who want to continue to smoke pot like them
because of their political correctness,
RE:
“Political-correctness”
is the LAST reason
for choosing / using a vaporizer…
– Two glaucoma patients,
citing the advantges of vapes-verses-smoking,
is what originally piqued my interest:
1) Greatly-reduced CO2 and carbon-monoxide,
(perhaps HYPOXIA what you miss with vaporizing, Eric).
2)Much lower tar and combustion-byproducts.
3) Virtually odorless, no “second-hand-smoke”.
4) A clearer, cleaner, ‘trippier’ high.
but a good old bong works far and away
better than any stupid vaporizer.
RE: WRONG about the BONG!
– You’re losing valuable-goodies in the ‘filtration’,
(and STILL getting appreciable-quantities
of tars, CO2 and carbon-monoxide),
– The active-components of “the smoke” are
actually, SLIGHTLY water-soluble,
(because THC-molecules contain
one polar hydroxyl, (OH), group).
Baysik, graid-skool kemisstree!
And yes, I have purchased, while living in Amsterdam,
vaporizer after increasingly complex and expensive(!)
(ostensible) vaporizing apparatuses,
from the ridiculous to the sublime,
RE: Eric,
– Have you tried going towards something SIMPLER,
and LESS-EXPENSIVE, such as the VaporGenie?
– Some of us have never spent a penny for our vaporizers.
(Why spend $100 for a glass-dome-encased
soldering-iron element or quartz-halogen bulb?)
and they simply do not work.
RE: Eric,
– I’m puzzled.
Are you holding the vapor in your lungs long enough?
Is / was your vaporizer’s temperature-control
set sufficiently-high enough?
I’m not sure if the “vaporizers,” or
people who think they get some kind of
something delivered into their brain or body using one,
actually have never smoked pot, so they don’t know what it is like.
RE: Eric,
– Many of us who USED to smoke the herb…
choose to vaporize now, instead.
– Vaporizers are much more EFFICIENT,
the cerebral-effects, much clearer. 😀
BTW:
– Vapes ALSO work VERY WELL with tobacco,
(MUCH easier on the lungs, less wasted nicotine),
as also with cannabis.
Vaporizers are a fake and fraudulent rip-off.
500 bucks for that stupid bag machine.
500 dollars!
RE:
Eric,
have you tried contacting the manufacturer
of that “stupid bag machine” ?
With cannabis, you can light it,
or you can ingest it via the mouth
with liquids, solids.
RE: Or ALSO,
gently heat it to approx. 392F / 200C, and
inhale the sweet, VAPORIZED goodness!
it is illogical and improper for the anti-prohibition
movement to hitch itself to something which is so ineffective.
RE: If only that were really the case…
(It’s quite the opposite…).
– Vaporizers are a Godsend, a viable alternative to smoking
and a powerful counter-answer to prohib’s objections to,
concerns about, the hazards of “smoked-marijuana”…
I don’t know who convinced people
that they were getting the effects of
cannabis from these stupid vaporizers.
RE: Perhaps it was…
– ADVERTISERS, airing frequent,
catchy, highly-convincing commercials…
on prime-time, American network tee-vee…
(Likened to those annoying pharma-pseudo-cal ads…)
…I believe every word they say…..NOT!!!
ACTUALLY,
– The results of the
device and the method
speak for itself!!!
Baked, not burnt!
Toasted, not torched!
High, not hypoxia!
Eric Johnson
[Editor’s note: Your personal preference maybe smoking to vaporizing, but it is incorrect to exclaim that vaporization ‘does not work’. The science behind the delivery method and commercial popularity of vaporization clearly speak to the fact that vaporization is both an efficient and more healthful delivery method for cannabis for many cannabis consumers and medical patients.]
RE:
Dear Editor,
– Perhaps Eric isn’t following the
“science behind the delivery method”…
– Or…maybe they mistake the effects
of tars and oxygen-deprivation
for a cannabis-high…LOL!
Reclassifying Drugs
Not reschedule but completely change the classifications of drugs. Currently we have Schedule 1 – 5 drugs. This system does not give an adequate difference between all the drugs that are out there. I think the classifications should also be numbered 1 – 1000. This will give adequate separation between drugs and leave room for future drugs. IE I would place Heroin and Meth around 900 just because their will probably be something worse.
Mental Addiction 1 – 1000
The Habit or Routine IE I quit smoking for 2 weeks. (Over 7 months now) I got in my car for the first time. After about a mile I started wondering why is it so cold? Out of habit, I rolled down my window for my cigarette. This isn’t even the worst part. I am just trying to paint a picture of just the habit of lighting a cigarette when you don’t even really want one.
Physical Addiction 1 – 1000
IE Many drugs the Physical Addiction can be so strong if you quit cold turkey you will need medical assistance. If you do not have medical assistance, you could die from trying to quit.
Social Addiction 1 – 1000
IE Meth Dealing or Cooking. A 50-year-old overweight man can sleep with 18-year-old strippers. How do you convince them to be normal again?
IE People surround themselves with people who do that drug. If that drug is socially acceptable like alcohol, you see it everywhere. Every time you go out on a first date, you’re invited out for drinks. Or even better invited in for drinks. Changing your friends your lifestyle. All of these things are very difficult. The worst part is it isn’t a choice you make one day. You need to make that choice every day, every hour, every minute and every second. One brief instant a lapse in judgment can destroy years of work.
Health Risks 1 – 1000
IE Effects of short and long term usage to the body. Developing a number system for adverse effects on the body.
Overall 1 – 4000
And of course education! Mandatory volunteer work in emergency rooms and detox centers. Faces of meth should be posted everywhere to the point of us being sick of them. We should also do the same type of program for all drugs that change your appearance. This system leaves no doubt. With this knowledge, you now have a much clearer picture of what you are doing. I essentially grew up with this knowledge. I saw the worst-case scenario of every drug in my early teen years.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
— Mohandas Gandhi
he is the drug czar he obviously is obligated and paid to rail against the perils of pot. this is to be expected but secretly i think he doesn’t believe the crap he is preaching and neither do we anymore.
He knows he’s a puppet, he’s collecting a pay check like the rest of prohibitionist who get money for busting pot smokers. The country is financially broke and pot smokers make up a lot of revenue for being busted.
It’s war on you and me personally, now, would you like to join the POT BRIGADE? Yeah, I would too if it were real. : )
I have a Voodoo vaporizer, $200.00. It works very well.
I have made cannabis oil to treat Basal Cell Carcinoma. I have treated two lesions on my head. The treatment took 8wks. It has been one year since I finished the treatment, the lesions have not returned. NO Medical Value my ass. Look at the new boss, just like the old boss, a LIAR.
#71 Anonymous Says:
July 26th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Listen to what he is saying. Read between the lines.
“I have to lie…but…sound science will answer the question.”
Everybody knows that cannabis is NOT harmful…
including him. He’s giving the whole thing to science…where it belongs. Who else has done that?
RE: #71 Anon.
Yet, who has the bigger ‘megaphone’, ‘hammer’?
(Kerly-Kow’s puppeteer?)
What can ‘science’ do?
When will the truth win out, 100%, if ever?
– – – – –
BURIED IN THE LIST:
The REASON for Kerlikowske’s
“Striking Reversal”
– Killings over a common, God-Given plant-species,
artificially price-inflated, weight for weight,
beyond truly-rare gold and platinum…
Kerly-Kow’s gotta proclaim the “DANGER” of that plant…
‘Pot-Prohibition Related’ double-homicide in Fresno:
Is #19 eggsalacarte the only one who noticed this?
#19 eggsalacarte Says:
July 25th, 2009 at 10:46 am
“This is no coincidence; the connections between the city, Kerlikowske and cannibus – for those who might not have heard, I have attached recent news of a homicide/drugbust/home invasion.
Here is the link if you’d like the full text: http://www.fresnobee.com/local/story/1556898.html
Now, there is plenty of room for speculation
on the matter – no doubt…..
…In this case, the LAW has created these factors…
…This is a dog and pony show, sensationalism at its finest.
These opinions, whether they are held quietly or openly posted must be assigned their value. NORML, it’s members and supporters, it is time to take the offensive. Kerlikowske should be publicly grilled for this tripe.”
I personally enjoy vaporizers. It has a very nice and clean feel to it- I think this option would be prime for medical users. It also doesn’t have any of the side effects that smoking has. I can vaporize before anything and it would just make my performance better.
I got a 30$ vaporizer from a company called vaporstar- it’s a bong attachment piece- and no I am not advertising for them……..
just saying that vaping is nice and it uses less weed per session.
if vaporizing gets more popular– that could be a good campaign for legalization or world wide medical marijuana- I have never felt lazy after vaping like I do sometimes with smoking
Those that have seen Drug War the last white hope know Cele Castillo he was the X DEA agent that told the truth. In his words, if you want to smoke a joint in your home it is your business it is not the governments business!! The same way I feel about lawmakers supported with our money enslaveing us because they say we do not deserve to have freedom of choice. Cele has been charged with some bull shit over guns they are going to put this man in jail over nothing. We all know it is get back from our leaders that support the corporate business plan. Enslave, charge, fine, destroy the poor people they do not matter to us anyway. As long as we have our 10% growth in the many companies that share the billions spent to ensure we have no freedom of choice. Our only choice is support these corporations or go to jail. A very fucked up choice if you ask me.
I can do this for days but the bottom line is if you can help this man do so. Send him a few bucks to help fight this action they are working hard to take away our free speech. If they succeed in this objective we might as well bend over and kiss it goodbye. PLEASE HELP THIS MAN FIGHT FOR HIS FREEDOM!!
http://www.powderburns.org/
thanks
Cherokee Fred Jesus
I just kicked in another 10 bucks. Or you could buy his most revealing book. Explaining how our government takes our money and feeds the rich and keeps us in an existence only life. Worse! They say we can sacrifice one million poor people to feed the corporate machine.
They are feeding on our children. All to support corporate greed and ensure the rich get our money not us…
EASY TO KICK IN HE HAS PAYPAL OR CC OR CHECK OPTION!! WE MUST SAVE THIS MAN FOR TELLING THE TRUTH….
http://www.powderburns.org/
Cherokee Fred Jesus
I just wanted to add that WE are responsible for the idiots in power being in power. for example, I got an actual form letter from senator chuck grassley (R-Iowa) today which was five pages of prohibitionist bullpucky. it was appalling. the language used dripped with smoke and mirror propaganda which has all been scientifically proven to be false. big suprise he is head of judiciary matters and get this, agriculture in this state. so farmboy goes as far as to say hemp is quote “psychotropic” and good for only twine. its called elections people, vote….please.
Let Kerlikowske come face to face with my close family member who suffers (and I mean physically, emotionally, socially, mentally) from severe Tourettes… including the shouts, cursing, large and small complex motor movements, migranes…not to mention side effects of the heavy drugs prescribed over the last 15 yrs (breathing probs, heart issues, Zombie feeling, allergic reactions and on and on)…
Guess what has replaced these drugs and brought relief (to us a miracle cure)… MARIJUANA!!! And guess who researched it and introduced it to her (who had never tried illegal drugs in her life)? For the first time in almost her entire life… she is living a “normal” life… being able to go to the movies, stores etc…anytime…instead of late at night so not to disturb others. Is not afraid to meet people or be around the public, is in college and doing well… thanks to a MIRACLE called MARIJUANA !!! (prescribed)
Kerlikowske, like other ignorant, arrogant “CZAR”s, is a paid government puppet.. unable to digest real medical information/research. It’s out there… of course you have to want to look.
The POT brigade has grown by hundreds in this family alone… even the over 80 crowd!!
More people are waking up maybe we have a shot at taking our country back. The greedy corporations have control today including the votes of our representatives. I will be glad when enough people wake up and start doing something. I am ready to hit the streets soon. The FEDs are financing more cops and building new defense like home land security and the patriot act. Free speech is at stake we have limits today. I just watched another documentary where very passive protesters that were elder and conservative. But they were all prevented from making their march for freedom. The two major parties will no longer allow people to protest at their rallies. Our rights are slowly being taken away. It is time to stand up and take them back.
Cherokee Fred Jesus
Politics is all about perception management. They steal our money and throw it away. They accept millions from corporations, nothing but bribes. They work against what is best for all Americans. They lie and spread propaganda to insure us they have our interest at heart. They do not wake up look into your representative in DC know what they are doing and how they vote. Don’t listen to the rhetoric look deep and read. You can find the truth on the web it is our gathering point and education center. Together we can make our great land a paradise for us all. One percent of the population does not deserve the majority of the wealth. We the middle and poor have been riding in the back of the bus long enough.
CFJ
I do not advocate socialism. I think we should have a country where if you make an honest bid you get the job. Not a country where you have to bribe or be related to get a contract. I also do not mean a country where the government puts so many rules and regulation on us. Only the larege corporations can meet their requirments. I see this more and more. It seems a few companies plan to control everything. They are even using us to fuel their for profit jails and hospitals. We are sacrificed to insure their profits are going up. And the stock market is making money for the very rich. I have never been able to make a penny on the market?? I think the very rich control the market only they seem to make money at it!!
End 21st century slaver. End for profit jails it is not right to profit from anothers misery. Jail is bad enough but when you have judges taking bribes to insure for profit jails stay full. I think we have gone too far our freedom is to valuable to allow these blood suckers to take it away…
CFJ
I feel bad for those that got duped into thinking Obama stands for real change. He’s just as much as a corporate zionist biatch as Bush. Marijuana will be legalized when we take back our government and kick-out the Fed.
All IMHO of course…
Peace!
#145 Debby Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
“…For the first time in almost her entire life… she is living a “normal” life… ”
RE: Debby,
– I’ve always thought / believed
that this organization’s acronymn,
(NORML),
was, (and still is), quite apt / applicable,
precisely because cannabis exerts a
STABILIZING / NORMALizing influence
upon those who utilize it… 😀
(Especially compared with toxic,
man-made, “pharma-pseudo-cals”…).
“Kerlikowske, like other ignorant,
arrogant “CZAR”s, is a paid government puppet..
unable to digest real medical information/research.
It’s out there… of course you have to want to look.”
RE: Debby,
Considering his reform-oriented
track-record in Seattle, WA…..
(and prior statements he made to the effect,
when he was their police chief then…)
– I would consider Kerlikowske
more COMPROMISED than ignorant / arrogant
against cannabis-reform / medi-cann;
– More DISallowed by his “job-specification”
as “drug-czar” to the USSA, to
PRE-sent real medical-info / research,
THAN unable / unwilling to do so…
– I really pity his reformation-APOSTATE status
as an asspuppet of the ONDCP… 😥
– I believe this to be true,
especially in wake of the way that the recent
Fresno, CA homicides are being used to further
said-same corrupt, botaniphobic policies that will
only lead to more, not less, murderous-behavior
and homicides…
OVER SOMETHING THAT
SHOULDN’T BE OUTLAWED
IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!
– Cannabis needs to be restored to being
boringly-ubiquitous / abundant again…
(rather than artificially-scarce,
as it still is, presently…).
“The POT brigade
has grown by hundreds
in this family alone…
even the over 80 crowd!!”
RE: Debby,
– If only my late Grandma were still alive…in body! 🙁
(Would be 100 this year…bless her soul…).
– She remembers when cannabis-extracts
were still legally-available, OTC…
(and LESS-PROBLEMATIC),
than our present War On (some) Drugs is,
(Which she believes, actually ENCOURAGES
youthful-experimentation and irresponsible-use,
rather than reducing it…).
125 R.O.E Ain’t that the truth!
We the People must especially beware of My Evil Brother and his small group of selfish men who would clip the wings of the American Eagle in order to feather their own nest. We the People have unalterably set our faces against that tyranny…and
…made the most succinct statement of which we’re prepared to fight
This is no vision of the new millennium. It is a definate basis for a kind of world attainable in our time and generation. That world is the very antithesis of the so-called New World Order which My Evil Brother seeks to create. To that world order we propose the greater conception…”moral order.” A good society is able to face schemes of world domination without fear.
Millions of Americans have placed their destiny in the hands and heads and hearts of their fellow Americans, free men and women, and their faith under the guidance of their “Belief System.” Freedom means…”the supremacy of human rights.” Our support goes to those who struggle to gain those rights or keep them. “Our strength is in the unity of our purpose.” To that high concept there can be no end save victory. FDR
“NO MORAL ORDER…THEY’RE LACKING MORAL ORDER.”
I’m the same old Rebel with a Cause. I’ve been at them since 1957. A decorated seasoned veteran of domestic wars. They haven’t changed one damned bit. They defy the law of nature. “The only thing in life that is permanent is…change.” They haven’t changed since the beginning of time. We just have to be the bigger dog.
Totally right on about not buying Mexiweed. They are coming over here, ripping our forests to shreds, and selling us dirtweed. I am a medical herb grower in Cali. I grow Kush and Blueberry. Cali is becoming Amsterdam. Obama is better than Bush. We had to worry about the DEA with Bush. But the drug czar is paid to lie. The booze, pharmaceutical and police industries hate it if pot is legalized. I grow with fertilizers from Advanced Nutrients, the only company that is totally honest about weed. I get buds the size of baseball bats. The way to fight the drug czar is by growing your own weed, and it’s fun too!!
to#13 mike,
your right that is the only danger to using marijuana is the smoking.to vaporize it is to enjoy it in a truly healthy manner. we have to get ourselves out of the habit of refering to it as smoked.where can i find some testing on inhaling vapor rather then smoke.its another step in the right direction . thanks
Marijuana is safe, with comparatively acceptable risks of danger compared to alcohol or tobacco. Even salt has its dangers, so Gil Baby could dangerous and has no medical benefit. How’s about the fumes from welding rods, combustion engine exhaust?
One could smoke or vaporize cannabis every single day for a year, even getting high several times a day, and then just up and quit the next day with no withdrawal whatsoever. One can NOT do that with tobacco or alcohol.
This is for sure, and I’ve seen it firsthand.
These prohibitionists are so full of shit!
I hope many other places approve a tax on cannabis in California to make voters simply say that California might as well legalize even recreational cannabis at the state level on the ballot initiative.
153 fla activist
A vaporizer is a medicinal delivery device. I call it a “Maximum Capcity Inhalator.”
#153 fla activist Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
to#13 mike,
your right that is the only danger to using marijuana is the smoking.to vaporize it is to enjoy it in a truly healthy manner. we have to get ourselves out of the habit of refering to it as smoked.
where can i find some testing on inhaling vapor rather then smoke.
its another step in the right direction . thanks
RE: fla activist,
– For more detailed info about vaporizers,
go to wikipedia:
Scientific studies of cannabis vaporiser usage
also following external reference-links provided
at end of article, as well…
There is a phrase, “Devide, and conquer”. Well that is what we are doing to ourselves. There are a multitude of reform organizations, NORML, SAFER, MPP, LEAP, etc. I personaly think that we the members should demand that they should merge, and become one large single voice, and a very loud voice it will be. As things are now, we are a bunch of small voices whispering against the wind, easily dismissed, easily ignored. I believe that many people consider us stoned out crackpots, laying around stoned out of our heads all day, they actualy believe “Stoners in the Mist” is the truth, we need to show them that this is NOT true.
Joseph “Ironman” Siler
I totally agree! Any similar organization from any country. I love the data from countries where its legal. It always shows that it is not worse than alcohol.
Which reminds me of something somewhat relevant…
Why I do not date women who smoke, drink or use drugs…
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My Mom looking for the right guy only ended up with Alcoholics. She was a “Daddies’ Girl” looking for someone like him. Her Dad was a very old fashioned man. Unfortunately, he was also an Alcoholic. Here I feel that I must point out he was by no means an Abusive Alcoholic, he was everything I hope to be aside from the drinking, kind, gentle, warm, compassionate, funny, honest to mention just a few. When he was drinking he was a happy drunk. She did not know of Alcoholism or about Alcoholic Characteristics. She later figured out her dad was an Alcoholic and some of the Characteristics she admired in her Dad, were Alcoholic Characteristics. These Characteristics were what she was looking for in a mate, so Alcoholics is what she found. I think I need to say Characteristics one more time in this paragraph….”Characteristics!”
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My Moms’ boyfriend for 8 years was a Drug and Alcohol Counselor for the State. Everyone he counseled had been Convicted and Incarcerated for an Alcohol or Drug related charge. (I hate the statement, “Drug & Alcohol”, it implies that Alcohol is not a Drug.) I was about 13 – 21 years old, when he was around. This was also when I was just starting to really know about and experiment with Alcohol & Drugs. I saw Alcoholics and Drug Addicts, addicted to every drug at the time; M eth & Xtc (sp?) were not invented or widespread yet. (Sorry to break this apart but I don’t want anyone who searches for that word to find me.) They would come over to my place to mow the lawn or chop some wood to earn a little extra cash. Added with continually hearing a Counselor, I believe that this has given me a very unique perspective. I do not have a problem with people doing mushrooms on occasion but I do not think I will ever try them. I have no desire to ever try any other drugs. Prescription Drugs I am very careful with. I hardly take any pain medication when prescribed to me, too addictive, don’t want to sleep all day and night and pain is your bodies way of saying, “don’t do that.” I like to listen to my body rather than further damage it.
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Look at the percentages of how many people do this drug and what is the percent of those people that are addicted? How does it affect someone after long-term usage personality, temper, external physical damage, and internal physical damage?
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Verbal Abuse, Emotional Abuse, Physical Abuse, to friends, and loved ones. These are the people who you are supposed to care about most, the people who care about you most. These are the people who you are supposed to do everything within your power to help and protect from all these things.
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Drug and Alcohol related accidents.
You can overdose and die.
When you blackout, you are close to death.
You can go into detox and die.
Adverse effects of long-term usage
Other drugs (This includes Alcohol!) can change your morale compass. Things you wouldn’t do to someone else, say to someone else, things you wouldn’t do for money all can become things you would do or say to even family.
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The lifestyle is even addictive, where do you go to meet someone, a club or a bar. What are people doing there, drinking?
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If she is not done with the “Bar Or Clubbing Phase” or never had the chance to really experience it and gets in a serious relationship it probably won’t last. She will get into some fight about nothing. Then talk to her hot friends that are at the clubs. She will hear of guys offering them trips to Hawaii for the weekend. Then she will wonder why should she put up with this. When she can just go out and have guys buy drinks for her all night long. She can go home with a guy with a nicer car or a better body. Only to find out months later he is physically abusive. There are a great many things guys do not tell you about themselves in the beginning. And to be fair ladies, there are a great many secrets you women hold too. Guys are not the only ones to abuse. Well in the beginning everyone sounds like a great catch. That is because they are the salesperson. Now if it were an ex how would the sales pitch change? Unfortunately women need to go through and understand this phase. Meeting a guy in a club, there is a high probability that everything he tells you is a lie.
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I don’t want you to quit drinking or smoking for me. You do this and if things start turning south, you might start that habit again. You might resent me for keeping you from what you love. Smoking or drinking is a friend you do not
want to say goodbye to yet. Then when you quit something you should really stop hanging out with your friends that do what you stopped. It just makes it easier to quit. Part of the reason you hung out was you had that in common. Do you have enough in common to continue the relationship? Could continuing the relationship adversely affect your progress in quitting? Then it can turn around to being my fault you can’t hang out with these friends.
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Militaries use alcohol to numb the troops into being able to kill without feeling. Block the mind from free thought in their free time. The alcohol numbs the emotions. This increases the probability of using you or just playing with your
emotions. I do not care what you are looking for, if you are honest, there are many people you would find attractive that are looking for the same thing. There is no reason to play with people’s emotions and lives.
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I hear the lack of the ability to emotionally connect yourself with your partner. It is an intentional disconnection though sometimes it is done without knowing but mostly with premeditation. They are creatures of habit that usually repeat the habit even before they have given the other person a chance. This usually deals with some form of being hurt in the past and or the fear of getting hurt. I will hurt you before you hurt me. If you are ever dumped you can always say, “I hurt you first.”
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I have had so many special occasions ruined by alcohol. Someone deciding to drink too much and I have to spend my time taking care of him or her. They are not having fun and I am not having fun. The only difference is, I was not the one who made the bad choice. Wait, wait, I guess I should accept responsibility for staying around that is a choice too.
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I refuse to compete with this lifestyle. I refuse to live in this world. If this is the lifestyle you still want, you do not want me. Neither one of us wants to be in a position of hearing I’m sorry all the time.
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How much is too much? Height, weight, how often, how long, tolerance, over time it all changes. Then there is perspective. There is always that friend who drinks more than you. The friend that you can always say, well I don’t drink more than (insert name here), he is not an alcoholic. If any of us were an alcoholic it would be (insert name here). I see so many people looking at the worst case and saying, I’m not that bad. Well do you really want to be using rock bottom as your scale?
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The longer you drink the greater the probability of it changing you. It doesn’t matter how strong you are. All it takes is 1-3 months of losing yourself in that bottle. bad break up, a loss of a loved one and you can instantly become a
completely different person for the rest of your life. Typically once you become that other person it is like a downward spiral from there. Perfect time for the nerd in me to bring up Star Wars and to save face a little I’ll blame it on That 70’s Show.
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It cracks me up, I cannot tell you how many times a woman gets all hot when she hears I do not drink, yet she drinks. She does not think of how dating someone who doesn’t drink could change her life. What if she is an alcoholic and doesn’t even know it? I really want to be there for that discovery. Why should I give my everything to you? You do not even know if this is your dream, you are just trying out mine.
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I can’t believe that someone could look at the “Faces of M eth” and still try it?!?! Those posters should be posted everywhere!
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Do not get me wrong, I did have my drinking days, I partied. I stopped drinking right after I turned 21. I was engaged to a beautiful person who I was no longer “in love with”. I was breaking up with her but trying to still be nice about it. Needless to say, she was not making it easy on me. We were drinking and I raised my voice and said something hurtful, not yelled really, just spoke in a way that was not me. I then remembered how my Mom described my Dad, “he was the sweetest man I ever met, until he started drinking.” I did not want my description from others to retain the latter part of that statement. Very shortly after that I just quit drinking and found Martial Arts. I had one or two drinks a year for a few years after, to remind myself that I do not really like the intoxicating feeling of alcohol. Plus if you don’t drink, you are very aware of the pier pressure you feel from what feels like everyone. Ah, c’mon its New Years’, it’s my birthday, just one, or the opposite sex is probably my greatest weakness. I have probably had 3 – 5 drinks in the past 10 years and I only see that getting less and less. Also, with my background and with my Martial Arts, I just think it would be irresponsible of me to drink.
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Alcohol and many other drugs out there, increase the Yang. I realized that Yang (although I did not know what is was then) is a part of everyone. If you deny that, you can build up negative energy and one day explode. This negative energy needs to be released in a positive way, building the body, spirit and mind. I needed to release that energy. In school there was lifting and wrestling. This was great but after school that energy still needs to be released in a positive way. If you do not release that energy in a positive way, it will come out in a negative way. Given the choice, I would rather have an over abundance of Ying than Yang.
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I believe that I am making the right choice. You want to know how I know? I have found that in life, the right choice is usually the more difficult one. Look at today’s society, how accepted drinking is. How much being single and drinking goes hand in hand? Where do you go to meet someone who wants to be found, the bar or the club? FYI clubs are bars too. Ok, I will admit the, “right choice”, would be to do nothing but I do believe that everyone needs some form of release.
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Know my story before you judge me. What is legal and what is right seem to be less familiar with each other these days. What does it say about a society in which it is legal to do something that has a high probability to make you violent but it is illegal to do something that has a high probability to make you less violent? When I think of the definition of “home” I think of sanctuary from the troubles of the world. Home is a place to leave or constructively address your troubles, to feel safe and warm.
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I remember I was about 11 and my brother was about 14 and my Mom was with…let’s just call him Satan. A very religious Recovered Alcoholic, who of course relapsed. It was late and my brother and I were in our room trying to sleep. We couldn’t go to sleep because we heard our Mom and Satan arguing. He got loud enough to get us out of bed. Yelling was not something that happened before Satan. We do not yell at our Mom and our Mom does not yell at us…something to do with loving and respecting each other. So anyone talking to our Mom this way was unacceptable. So my brother and I walk out of our room and stand outside our room so they can see us. Really I’m just following my brothers’ lead. I know he is scared but he is 3 years larger than me. Satan was a full sized adult, even though he never really seemed to act like one, man I was scared. I had never been in the presence of pure rage or even true anger, towards another. Well there was that one time when we were like 5 & 8 and a group of older boys were chasing my brother and I. My Mom stood outside our door with a bat, the look in her eyes you could tell threatening the lives of her children is a bad idea. (Love you Mom!:)
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Don’t get me wrong, I have many friends that drink, to each their own. I just don’t want to have a serious relationship with someone who drinks. It’s my choice, just as I need it to be her choice as well.
Another reason we need to ban together…not one of us feels comfortable enough to use our real name in here. That is offensive!
If I had a UA, for a job, the night before I could drink enough to be picked up by a detox center and yet pass the UA. If I was a person who couldn’t even wait one night for a drink, you would think that would be a bad sign for a UA screening. But no you can show up with levels high enough to indicate you were near death, but at least you didn’t smoke pot within a month.
If I was doing the hiring, I wish I could at least not hire someone if alcohol shows up. Not because it is so bad but because this potential employee knew (s)he was going to have a UA and couldn’t wait 24 hours. That should be a very bad sign! Or at least if the blood alcohol level is above a certain point.
What do I know 🙂
Regarding my previous post #150:
Anything positive I had to say about
Gaul KerlyKowardsky’s Seattle days…
I was mistaken…
– From what I’ve read at Huff-Post,
from those who live(d) in Seattle,
the former police-chief was merely tolerating
cannabis-law-reform changes there,
not advancing them…
Perhaps we’re seeing his “true-colors” now,
as thug-Zar of the USSA, comrades! 😐
1st Let me describe an alcohol induced “Blackout”. Perhaps you are close to death from overdose, but the most prominent symptom is TOTAL loss of memory. When I drank, and experienced a “Blackout” I could remember NOTHING, and still can’t. I could have committed terrible acts of violence, and not had ANY memory at all of it. Luckly I didn’t.
I personaly have experienced cannabis induced loss of memory, but I have absolutely no doubt that if anything untoward had happened I would remember that. The cannabis induced memory losses were very rare, and occured only when I first started consuming cannabis, the alcohol induced memory losses were quite common for me. I quit drinking 41yrs ago.
Alcohol removed my inhibitions to violence, and destroyed my good judgement. The incident that made me realize the insanity of my drinking involved having a man on the ground, my left hand locked on his throat, my right hand drawn back, the heel of my hand aimed at his nose. I was going to kill him, the Marine Corp. taught me well. If the owner of the bar had not wrapped his arm around my neck, and pulled me off of him, I would no doubt have gone to prison for, at the least, manslaughter. I am, when sober, or intoxicated, a peacefull, compasionate person. That is the level to which alcohol changed me, made me capable of killing a friend because he offered me a ride home.
Our drug czar obviously has NO true knowledge of the affects of cannabis. He needs to be educated, we need to educate him. Get the letters, and E-Mails going big time.
Neurogenesis 1:29; Editor,
Did you happen to read my post while responding to it?
Yes, I tried cheap vaporizers, and I tried expensive vaporizers.
I held the flavored hot air in my lungs, experiencing the deprivation of oxygen and build up of CO2 you speak of (laugh about?) with other types of consumption… it kind of reminded me of the few times in high school that I tried free base cocaine.
That had an effect. Too bad the crash was unacceptable, so it didn’t appeal to me.
But I did all the the things you suggested, and I got NOTHING but strange colored dried plant material in return.
To the editor: It isn’t a “preference,” for a bong versus a vaporizer. Is it just possible that they don’t work for everybody? Or are you going to say it is just my fault for not doing it correctly, which is this author’s point.
My brother, who had someone experienced bring a vaporizer to his house, said he also felt nothing. This is why I maintain that many “vaporizers,” simply think they’ve gotten high, when they actually haven’t achieved anything close to what they should be experiencing.
If I contact the “makers of that stupid 500 dollar bag machine”, what will happen?
Will they give me a discount for being ill and using cannabis as medicine?
A money back guarantee? (likely not, as it would be then sending back via mail a thing which is contaminated with THC, which would be a major crime, which is the same reason used water pipes cannot be returned: They’re contaminated and not resealable.
One of the vaporizers I bought, the French made “Vap-Ir,” came with a DVD to show you how ostensibly to use the machine. Nix for results.
IT WAS a HUGE 300 EURO mistake, AS IT NEVER WORKED. And I kept stepping up in price, as I got no results from several lower priced units/hardware store collections in a felt lined case.
AND I AM NOT unfamiliar with the use of complex machinery, nor am I unskilled in use of cannabis.
I have smoked it for 35 years from a pipe, joint, or bong, and my lungs are just fine (being ill and with my physicians up to date on cannabis use, they listen to my chest intently at check up times.)
I lived in the Netherlands for 14 years as well, and went to college in Hawaii BEFORE ICE replaced pakalolo. (much of the dope in Amsterdam since 2003 is poorly grown, moldy and full of pesticides. Once back in California, I haven’t coughed on a bong hit, which was regular in Amsterdam.
So there seems no need for a vaporizer, especially when they do not work (ok editor… “for everybody”. You don’t have research that a vaporizer works for everyone do you? Do you have research indicating cannabis vaporized kills pain?)
Can you suggest what it is I might do to get a result? Not a better result, as there has never been a result, except the emptying of my wallet, but a result from a vaporizer?
Curious if you vaporizers are all married to the idea that vaporizers are the savior of the cannabis movement?
Tell me, what study has shown vaporization to help with pain, gastrointestinal difficulties, and the other things that people use (real smoked or orally ingested) cannabis find relief from?
Given that vaporizers have been around for only a decade and really haven’t caught on (perhaps because most are hugely expensive or rip-off assemblages of crack-pipes and blow torches, or both) why should the movement attach itself to vaporizers, when we have maintained and continue to maintain that smoking pot is not harmful?
This gives them a weapon, as not everyone has 500 dollars for a bag machine, assuming these even work for most people, while rolling papers cost only a few cents per roll, and water pipes can be made from mayonnaise jars, and fairly good pipes can be made from an apple or a soda can.
There must not be a schism created between the wealthy pot vaporizer and the less wealthy joint/bong user.
Cannabis use is safe, or it isn’t. And the majority, if not all, of the studies on cannabis, as medicine or not, have been done WITHOUT vaporizers.
Cannabis is safe to use, or it isn’t. The movement cannot be predicated on the idea that everyone will start using a set of machines which work poorly, if at all, and which are hugely expensive.
Yes, editor, I know you think you have proof. If somebody wants to come prove it to me, or if someone wants me to come to them so they can prove it to me, then fine.
for my part I spent about 750 euro on 4 different vaporizers in 2003. None worked, and all were very difficult to operate, not to mention dangerous, with their blue/white open flame.
I’m incredulous that I even have to write this, and PC IS A HUGE, HUGE REASON TO GET A VAPORIZER. Smoking has been banned in bars and restaurants in the Netherlands, just as in California. And I am told by reputable sources in the Dutch media that the cofffeeshops as they are will not survive, although they may turn into dispensary type operations, as is the case in many Utrecht cannabis sales points.
Why? There is no smoking in the Netherlands in bars and restaurants, and coffeeshops are for the record classified as restaurants.
It does not matter what is being smoked, just like in California.
Why all this PC Crap in traditionally tobacco tolerant Nederland? American complaints. It started at schiphol about 10 years ago.
Schiphol is in competition with other nearby large airports for trans-Atlantic passenger traffic. In order to help this competition, it was decided to listen to the biggest complaint from the biggest complainers: Smoking OK in the airport and Americans.
Then it spread like a metastasized cancer from there.
Vaporizers, to the extent they work, and I do believe people are fooling themselves…the studies you have are double blind placebo controlled and look at relief of symptoms, editor? Or were the questions about whether or not the people felt “high?”
Vaporizers will not save the movement, nor will they have an effect on it. It is like trying to control, traffic jams by placing ethanol in gasoline…. Not related at all.
Eric Johnson
[Editor’s note: Who claimed that vaporizers were going to save the movement? 1) This ever-growing and momentous socio-political movement to reform cannabis laws does not need to be ‘saved’, and 2) in free-market oriented societies like the US and Netherlands consumers should have access to the cannabis delivery method of their choice, from vaporization to ointments to edibles to joints. To each their own.]
has anyone considered “WATER” in the argument for ending the prohibition on cannabis & hemp?
it takes roughly 200 to 700 liters of water to make one litre of WINE. http://wineindustryinsight.com/?p=1415 lets say a conservative wineo drinks a bottle every other day rounding down to 3 bottles a week. in six months that person has consumed 78 bottles of wine, which (78*450=) roughly 35,000 liters of water to support their choice of vice over six months, or 192 liters PER DAY.
on my last 3 month indoor grow cycle, i used less then 700 liters of water to grow 6 cannabis plants (3 sativas & 3 indicas). these 6 plants have lasted me just about 6 months, and i consume more then the average cannabis user, which comes out to less then 4 liters a day.
we are in a time of water shortage, which “vice” or “choice” is better for the planet???
END THE PROHIBITION ON CANNABIS & HEMP and help SAVE our WATER SUPPLY the SIERRAS NEED HEMP & CANNABIS
Obama pulled fast one on me[voted for him].i feel insulted that he laught us off in his towne meeting.to treat us like loser potheads.fuck him and his drug czar.i had surgery a few years ago on my back.somedays the pain can be unbearable,i can’t take meds because last year i found out i have stage 2 fibrosis of the liver.thank God for this wonder drug.i don’t like taking pills,the possible side effects are more than what your trying treat[NO THANKS].i just want to have the FREEDOM to take care of my the only way i can.i will keep funding the gangs until this country pulls its head out it’s ASS and legalize CANNABIS
Passive resistance and protest is obviously not working. The politicians simply smile and say something that sounds like what we may want to hear and then turn their back and laugh at us as they do what they want. The only way that we are going to able to change our Gov’t agenda is to REMOVE the offenders and Enemys of the people from office. Here is a little something to remember…ALL our Politicians, Police, are PUBLIC SERVANTS!!! Technicaly, they are supposed to Follow and make decisions based on the Will of The People. Since they are obviously ignoring that fact and NOT doing what we as a Majority tell them we want to be done then we should FIRE them and place someone in their place who will follow the Will of The People. Any who refuse should then be considered an Enemy of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and treated as such. No Mercy offered, no quarter given.
“Dangerous”—Another idiot on our nation’s payroll who blatantly lies and ignores years and years of visible evidence that cannabis is neither dangerous, nor even harmful. I wait for the day when these children in power will grow up and act with dignity, maturity, and intelligence.
And, of course, let’s not forget the millions of people, myself included, who enjoy the benefits of reduced pain and suffering due to the “lack of medical benefits” that cannabis possesses.
I have to assume that the DEA is holding Kerlikowske’s chain, at this point, and his lack of intestinal fortitude means another eight years of government sanctioned violence and harassment of good people who choose cannabis rather than deadly prescription drugs.
I hope I’m wrong.
#166 Bluesmoke Says:
August 3rd, 2009 at 8:22 pm
“Dangerous”
—Another idiot on our nation’s payroll who blatantly lies and ignores years and years of visible evidence that cannabis is neither dangerous, nor even harmful.
RE:
– It’s only “Dangerous” because it’s illegal,
(and NOT vice-versa…).
– Perfection of Prohibition II:
The “side-effects” of prohibition-itself
(and not the prohibited-item, cannabis),
is the justification for its continuation…
(The “logic” behind ONDCP-asspuppet
KerlyKowardsky’s latest anti-pot proclamations)
– It only remains illegal because it’s
a quote / unquote “illegal-drug”, and they,
dare-say, can’t re-legalize it because…
it’s an illegal-drug,
(ad-infinitum…ad-nauseaum…ad-absurdum)
http://www.leap.cc
LOOKING FOR THE CULPRET IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES.
Everyone keeps looking in the wrong place for the culpret. He’s hidding in plain sight. he’s always hid in plain sight…that’s what spies do. Blame who you want..but…don’t deceive yourself.
Hey Change We Can All Believe In….unless of course you are a marijuana user. The Witch Hunt Continues!
The ONDCP is required by their charter to do anything to prevent the legalization of cannabis, and obviously lieing is part of anything, a big part, it’s the only thing they have.
#168 Rebel with a cause Says:
August 4th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
LOOKING FOR THE CULPRET IN ALL THE WRONG PLACES.
Everyone keeps looking in the wrong place for the culpret.
RE: Rebel,
– What I was saying is that the real CULPRIT
their CURE,
the “problem” is caused by their “solution”.
– Like trying to prevent dehydration-borne
ailments by making clean water unavailable…
170 Joseph “Ironman” Siler
Right! and that’s why the new drug czar has to lie. But he did say…Let’s leasve up to science. Isn’t that exactly what we want. “Attempt” is a more concerning word. We are all in violation…because
…we are all”attempting” to legalize cannabis.
What is dangerous? Let me tell you my experiences. First dangerous encounter with ALCOHOL. I was in the U.S.M.C. on a Carribean Cruise. We were at Veagus, Porto Rico. Went into the small town,(the only town) Isabela Segundo on the Island. I remember going into a bar, having a couple of beers, then waking up on my bunk with a fat lip. I was told that I had gotten upset with the jukebox, and attacked it. Obviously someone didn’t think that was a good thing, and busted me in the mouth to stop me. I’m glad it wasn’t a person I attacked. DANGEROUS. Still in the Corp. In Iwikuni, Japan I went into town, got stinking drunk. I walked up to the front of a bar, double swinging doors with metal studs around the edges. I, don’t ask me why, decided to open these, quite heavy doors, with my head. I walked into the bar with blood streaming down my face. Why they didn’t call the MPs I don’t know, but they didn’t. I went into the bathroom, and while I was in there one of the hookers came in, coed bathrooms, and I said something to her she didn’t like. She busted me up aside the head, I grabbed her, spun her around, and SLAMMED her into the wall. She went straight to the floor. This time there was a person involved. DANGEROUS. The list goes on. Telling a 350lb friend I was going to kill him with my bare hands, glad he was a friend. Wrecked the same car twice while drunk, my motor cycle once. Had a man on the ground, my left hand locked on his throat forcing his head back so I could drive the heel of my right hand into the bottom of his nose. Thank GOD the owner of the bar wrapped his arm around my neck, dragged me off him, and said “not today”. DANGEROUS. Yes Mr. Drug Czar that is DANGEROUS. That is what ALCOHOL does to far too many people in this country.
Now Mr. Drug Czar let me tell you of my DANGEROUS experiences with cannabis. Well sir there you have it. I think you need to go to a dictionary and look up the meaning of the word DANGEROUS. You just may learn something.
the mandate below explains Kerli’s stand.
(12) shall ensure that no Federal funds appropriated to the Office of National Drug Control Policy shall be expended for any study or contract relating to the legalization (for a medical use or any other use) of a substance listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812) and take such actions as necessary to oppose any attempt to legalize the use of a substance (in any form) that–
(A) is listed in schedule I of section 202 of the Controlled Substances Act (21 U.S.C. 812); and
(B) has not been approved for use for medical purposes by the Food and Drug Administration
It is illegal for the drug czar to support marijuana
for legalization,for any reason,medical or recreational
and he is supposed to use whatever means necessary to stop marijuana from being legalized. If a study comes out that verified that marijuana cured cancer,he would have to pay for a study to cast doubt or contradicted the cancer studies data.
And the FDA cannot approve marijuana as a medicine without the studies proving that marijuana is a medicine can be presented,and every time a study is done that shows medical properties,he just muddies up the water with false studies and skewed data,,,,It’s his job.
This mandate from congress had to be written by either the cartels or big pharmacy. It puts a catch 22 on the possibility of legalization.
The reason we have not heard from the AG,clarifying the now 6 month old federal medical marijuana policy
is because for the government to have a medical marijuana,they have too first re-schedule marijuana.
And the delay is exactly what the pharmaceutical companies are paying for,And the cartels.
NO MEDICAL VALUE. Would Kerli(I like that) please explain why the federal government has aquired two(2) patents on the compounds found in the cannabis plant, for medical use.
#173 Joseph “Ironman” Siler Says:
August 5th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
“What is dangerous?
Let me tell you my experiences.
…dangerous encounters with ALCOHOL…”
RE: Joe,
You are so lucky to still be alive,
(and so am I…!!!).
– Even though I never had the same number
of hazardous-experiences with alcohol as you have,
the ones I which did were SEVERE enough to
bring me to the same conclusion…
“BLACKOUTS”, COMBATIVENESS, SEVERE-INCOORDINATION,
EXTREME-STUPIDITY, URINARY-INCONTINENCE;
these things were the DIRECT, SOLE-RESULT of ALCOHOL,
ALCOHOL-INTOXICATION,
NEVER FROM the unjustly-maligned CANNABIS-PLANT.
– Stepped-up “eradication-efforts” against cannabis will only serve to
increase harms, make society more dangerous, by further “raising-the-stakes”,
ARTIFICIALLY-INFLATING THE PRICE of an AGRICULTURAL-PRODUCT,
(that would normally), only be worth pennies-a-pound,
as well as DRIVING CANNABIS CONSUMERS towards
FAR MORE DANGEROUS-SUBSTITUTES,
of which, KING-ALCOHOL REIGNS-SUPREME…
Marijuana is Safer
NORML-Blog TOPIC:
Driven To Drink by MJ Laws?
Reuters-Blog article:
Driven To Drink by MJ Laws
173 Joseph “Ironman” Siler
I was a Navy Corpsman. Want to hear some horror stories. Of course not. Why amplify what your experiences mean to you. But… I will tell you this…”YOU’RE NOT ALONE…NOT BY A FAR SHOT.” If you include death by donny-brook as DANGEROUS…I’ve seen my fare share. Semper Fi! By the way…”What do you do with a drunken sailor?” Right!…you stich’em up and throw’em in the brig.
Funny!…I can’t ever remember having to patch up a pot patient.
FYI. I went to the VA med cntr to see my doctor,(who shall remain nameless). This doctor is well aware of my use of cannabis oil to treat skin cancer. I asked him to look at the area on my forehead that had contained to Basal Cell lesions. He said he couldn’t see anything there that looked like cancer. He also said, “it seems to be working for you, keep doing it”. I said “it would be nice if you could put that in writing, but I know you can’t” I also know that if it ever came up, he would adamantly denie ever having said it. It seems many doctors are aware of the truth, but too afraid of the fed to say it.
yes i am just a angry fellow “pot smoker” but i am damn tired of this. itll never change though i will keep having faith it will. but to mister Gil Kerlikowske. you sire a god damn idiot, and so is everyone else that choses to ignore the endless newspaper headlines, or internet articles stating how marijuana helped this, or marijuana helped that. nausau, tumors. if i wanted to right a god damn report on it, it would be 10 pages long of infomation. i am not niave or blind trust me i have smoked a joint or two. or a thousand and i know the side effects and the “negatives” and i haved dipped into other drugs to and i have to say from person experience, weed has defintly been the kindest, and most helpful to me out of any drug. do you god damn research. smoke a f’in blunt and see if its “dangerous” or has “no benifits” or better yet, hbu just jump off a f’in bridge.
Kim Roach is money?? She??s helped me make a lot of it, too. There are so many great marketing gems in this blog post.