For nearly 40 years, NORML has provided a voice in the public policy debate for the tens of millions of Americans who enjoy cannabis responsibly. NORML is and has always been the ‘marijuana’ consumers’ lobby.
In the short run, NORML favors the elimination of all criminal and/or civil penalties prohibiting the possession of cannabis for personal use, regardless of whether one is using it for medical purposes or for personal pleasure. Further, NORML opposes sanctions that presently prohibit the not-for-profit transfer of small amounts of cannabis between adults. This policy, called “decriminalization”, was the recommendation of the National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse in their groundbreaking 1972 report, Marijuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding. Versions of cannabis decriminalization have now been adopted in 13 states.
Cannabis consumers are ordinary Americans who work hard, raise families, pay taxes and contribute in a positive way to their communities. We are not criminals. Just as millions of Americans enjoy a beer or a glass of wine at the end of the day, we enjoy sharing a joint (or, for that matter, a vapor bag) when we relax in the evening. Of the nearly 900,000 marijuana arrests in America each year, about 90% are for possession of small amounts for personal use. Continuing with this Draconian policy makes no sense. That is why three out of four Americans now support decriminalizing the personal possession and use of cannabis.
NORML’s ultimate political goal is the establishment of a legally regulated market where consumers can obtain their cannabis in a safe and secure environment. This policy is generally called “legalization”. As our country discovered when we experimented with alcohol prohibition, it is only by providing a legally regulated market that we can significantly reduce the crime, corruption and violence associated with a criminal black market.
NORML supports the imposition of state and/or federal age and quality controls governing the commercial production, sale, and use of cannabis to assure public safety and to advise the consumer of the strength of the variety of cannabis being purchased.
And, importantly, we support the imposition of a reasonable tax on commercial cannabis sales that could raise substantial revenue for the various states, to be used for drug education and other programs to encourage responsible use and to discourage abuse. But as we work toward these goals, it is crucial that we underscore the importance of permitting consumers the option to grow their own cannabis.
Alcohol consumers possess the legal right to create their own home brew, free from government interference. Although the vast majority of alcohol drinkers never utilizes this freedom, and prefers the convenience of purchasing alcohol at a retail outlet, that option remains available to those who wish to use it. We believe that similar regulations should govern the non-retail production of cannabis.
The cultivation of cannabis for personal use is the single most important element of the NORML legalization proposal. Allowing for the legal, personal cultivation of cannabis provides consumers with the option to grow their own product should commercially available sources offer cannabis that fails to meet the consumers’ needs because it is excessively expensive, too heavily taxed, or of inferior quality. The mere threat of consumers exercising this option should be sufficient to assure that the legal market for cannabis will be responsive to the needs of consumers, and will not be exploitive.
So when any organization or any state or federal legislator proposes legalizing cannabis, either for medical use or for personal pleasure, but forbids the consumer from growing their own cannabis, those of us who lobby on this issue must insist on amendments to permit personal cultivation.
Otherwise we, cannabis law reformers, trade away our only leverage to keep the big corporations and the government honest and responsive to cannabis consumers.
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Awsome story i think that should be allowed to cultivate yourown for personal use.I got seeds n waiting for that day to come.Sorry Normal for no donations yet this broke down economy isnt helping none of us
funny how so many politicians are raging alcoholics and chain smokers yet they don’t feel the need to change this. well we are not going away…so game on!
This is a well-thought-out plan in my opinion. I never considered the need to include a “personal cultivation” clause before, and am glad to have had my eyes opened. As with others, being unemployed, I haven’t been able to make any donations either, but will do so once I am enrolled in school again and get some money coming in. Thanks for carrying the torch for all of us “little guys” for all these years. I just turned 50 years old and actually thought this would have been done by now. Well, no time like the present!
John in Kentucky
40 years seriously. Wow. As i said before ive been both supportive and critical of NORML. But you guys have done more for law reform then ill have done in my whole measly life. When i have nay-sayed before it wasnt you guys it was my own lack of patience. I know with all my heart that pot is not just not bad its beautiful. I just get so freakin angry about how politicians and prohibition is in general. How slow things move in the real world. But ill have more faith from now on. We are NOT criminals. Im a father and husband. Seriously though thanks you guys alot.
P.S When i do get some money i want one of those hoodies that Say Its Normal To Smoke Pot n i’ll wear it proud N E where
I am a proud cannabis user, and the day anyone tries to come and take me from my house I’ll be waiting with my SKS and 200+ rounds. I feel like marching to the white house with hundreds of thousands of people and having a synchronized “light up” to make a stand. Why should we let other human beings tell us what we can and cannot do in the privacy of our own homes and the discretion we take into the public sphere? I should be able to walk down any public street and smoke a bowl or light a joint as long as I mind my own business and do not offer it to anyone, besides, beer and cigs already cost a fortune, like I’m going to just throw buds at total strangers…..
The president and the government say they’re for the people and by the people but it is false. They do not listen to us, and force their OPINIONS upon our own private lives….Do you think Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson, or Lincoln would allow them to be subjected like we are in the modern day? But what can you really do against a force that can wipe you, your family, and your property from the face of this earth? The government does what it wants, it only places a facade in front of it’s ulterior motives to distract us and keep us deaf, dumb, and blind.
Look at all the death going, look at all the pain and suffering which is a daily aspect of life on this planet. Disease, rape, murder, theft, war…and the government is going to make it a personal vendetta to stomp out marijuana users. “To the United States government, where are your fucking priorities?”
Everyday a child is kidnapped here, everyday an innocent life is taking by a demon. And what is the so called “protector” of our free society doing? Spending all of our money to arrest and prosecute marijuana defenders rather than going after the horrible demons which infest our world. What kind of government is that?
I always hear the old adage, well “what about the children”? Well….what about them? Why should I worry about your kids? What right do you have to make me worry about your fucking children? Do your children worry about me? “They’re the future” No, they’re not, the future is here, this day, this moment, not 30 years down the road which we cannot see. The future is here and now. And for God’s sake….get over your children, they don’t run the world. Stop being a doormat for them…..
A lot of people won’t agree with me, but then again what kind of world are we living in when everyone is always agreeing with everyone else. What I do think we can all agree on, is that legalization is the only way to save our country, our planet, and our lives. Obama is spending too much money without a plan to get it back. We’ve heard the statistic and the rhetoric, now is the time to make a smart decision. Legalize marijuana to end the suffering and spread peace. Stop being douche bags and start acting already….
(>^_^)><//////W~~~~~~~ Excuse me while I lift my spliff!
I saw an interview with a man who is proposing decriminalization legislation in Canada, although his name escapes me, and I was remarking to friends about his inclusion of a clause that would allow people to grow up to two plants for personal use. He said it is smart for politicians to want to allow people to grow for personal use because then it cuts the ties between those that are in it for personal or medical use, and those who are only there to reap criminal benefits. Of course, NORML follows up the next day with this well written article that goes right along with my thoughts. I concur.
This is a great articles,but I have one question. As stated in the article” 3 out of 4 americans now support decrim”. If true why is it still illegal? Isnt 3 out of 4 the majority? Are we just being ingnored as they ignore us on other bills we dont want? Have WE the government been hyjacked? This doesnt make sense.
There is no transparency from our leaders to us,but we have to be prefectly clear to them? This also makes no sense.
How about an annual personal use grow permit at a reasonable price? Government can’t seem to keep its nose out of people’s personal lives, or its money grubbing hands out of people’s pockets, so this might work. Is God-given freedom and liberty as acknowledged in the Constitution of the United States too much to hope for? Having been around the world a few times, both hemispheres, I’m amazed how freedom and liberty in this country have been degraded to a point where life in this police state is much like that in several third-world/developing countries. The only thing that sets us apart is the Constitution. But when it is largely ignored, what is the point of having one?
Blog posts about how stupid prohibition are well and good, but I come here for NEWS! How about mentioning that the Barr Amendment was stricken from the 2010 DC budget???
Excellent… very well spoken, sir.
Yes, the right to plant your own seed is just as fundamental as the right to possess and use.
Decriminalization / Legalization without the right to self-sufficiency will just lead us to more enslavery by big Pharmacy / Medicine and their million dollar a day congressional lobbying juggernaut.
Thank You NORML !
I’ve been a smoker for a long time. We must be grateful for the internet, and the presence of NORML. It is no easy task gathering the many of us who enjoy cannabis. . .responsibly. The numbers are looking up everyday, but we have to keep at it. Unfortunately, money seems to be everyone’s issue these days, but that’s what we get with the concentration of wealth. I’ll add my name to the millions of us who are smart, responsible individuals who consider it our right to use cannabis. We’re not going away, and we will not back down. A recent video pointed out that alcohol prohibition ended with the depression. Perhaps our elected officials will get it through their heads to legalize a plant that has killed no one before we bankrupt ourselves. I’ll leave you with this quote. . . ‘When the government fears the people it is a democracy….when the people fear their government it is tyranny…’ — Thomas Jefferson
Peace to my brothers and sisters, our fight has been long and is not over.
Thanks for bringing this important topic to the forfront. It is imperative that when legalization happens we are free on an individual basis to utilize all aspects of this plant. It is the key to our personal freedom and the tool with which we will end our corporate bondage.
Cannabis freedom means personal freedom and we will never compromise on that.
After reading this again, there is no reason you cannot join forces with MPP and change the conversation forever.
Meet in the middle, respect the differences, and use the combined power to make change happen.
Patience is a virtue, and our time will come. Whether sooner or later nonetheless we will prevail. I have a dream, and that is to be free amongst my friends and be able to enjoy the pleasure of marijuana, the ability to purchase, to share, to GROW and need not worry about FED’s busting through my doors to take me to prison for enjoying myself responsibly and causing no harm to myself or others. This has gone on much too long but we all need to stay together on this, need to keep fighting, keep supporting. our time will come.
Agreed. Good story. I hope decriminalization/legalization takes place in your country in the near future. Maybe then other western countries like Finland would open their eyes and atleast start to debate the question of legalization/decriminalization in a serious level.
Smoker from Finland.
Having been a member of NORML since 1978 I’m never surprised by the well thought out proposals that the great people at NORML suggest to our elected officials. Again you guys are right on the money. I think there is more closet cannibus than anyone realizes because growers are very careful who they let know what they are doing. Having grown up in Nebraska I would tell you there are some very seriuos growers that are using the education they received at the University of Nebraska school of Agriculture to produce some of the finest cannibus I have seen. If it were ever made legal these fine farmers would produce crops that would blow your mind. The hemp that could be produced could be extremely beneficial in so many ways it is hard to count. Thanks to all of the brillant minds at NORML. Keep up the fight! The truth will eventually win out.
This is precisely the reason why I was so disappointed by the proposed medical bill in New Jersey. The version of the bill in the assembly removes the clause allowing patients to grow their own medicine! Please help out and ask the New Jersey Assembly to allow patients and caregivers to grow cannabis legally.
Karyn (#2): That’s right! GAME ON! We will NEVER quit til the day we see legalization! NEVER!
YES. I’ve smoked for ten years off and on now and I would gladly and happily pay a yearly growers permit for personal use. Even if it were a thousand dollars a year for nothing more than a permit, issued by the city I reside in, to hang on the wall that would allow me to grow my own. If i ever sell it arrest me. If I ever provide it to minors, arrest me. If it doesn’t leave my property, let me live in peace. Is that so unreasonable? As Americans we should demand it. Everybody reading this JOIN, SUPPORT, and DONATE to NORML now!!
A very well thought out article. I agree. We need this as Marijuana Prohibition fails and this is very logical. Hats off to you!!! I one day want to enjoy Thai weed mass grown and quality controlled. But there is a certain magic to growing weed . It brings us back to the garden of Eden in a way. There also must be written that Consumers will be able to buy seed stock of any Variety that they want. I love the taste and the effect that thai weed has on me. It is very hard to find. That is why people grow strains that help them but may not be commercially available do to long flowering times and such.
I wish we could convince Mr. Obama to listen to Mrs. Obama regarding growing your own.
This is from an article in the NY Times about the Obama’s White House garden:
“There’s nothing really cooler,” Mrs. Obama said, “than coming to the White House and harvesting some of the vegetables and being in the kitchen with Cris and Sam and Bill, and cutting and cooking and actually experiencing the joys of your work.”
I would like to legally experience the “joys of my work” coming out of my garden! I think we all need a garden… a VICTORY GARDEN in the war on weed.
The biggest issue keeping the bubble from busting wide open in my opinion is the “in the closet” effect.
I have no criminal record, have been employed continually for 25 years, married for 20 years, father of a son in college. I have had as many as 30 direct reports in my job, coached youth sports, involved in Boy Scouts (I achieved Life rank). Yet I am in fear to even express my thoughts and beliefs about the complete injustice and tyranny of the drug laws.
You see I like to partake… usually daily (I grow my own). I grow my own to save myself from the complete experience of waiting on the call…. transporting….restocking….(what quality…where is my money going…etc) Because I have dirty urine… potentially anything that happens physically to me at work could cost me everything.
I never understood the big deal for the gay movement and this “closet: thing….why was there so much venom?
Its just the same in our movement.
People like me are going to have to get so fed up with the situation that we are willing to risk all just to say ” I am a responsible tax paying…almost 100% law abiding citizen and I grow my own, sell to no one, and am sick of feeling like I am a criminal that needs to be scared and just stay low and keep my mouth shut… Pot is a plant not a crime”
I feel ashamed I don’t put a banner in my front yard…
Thanks NORML and members that are fighting for me. I may have to become abstinent so I can be a warrior… I am sick of feeling like this
I smoke illegaly and feel like a criminal when I’m actually a good guy.I Work hard to pay my bills and I’m in college attending full time. Thank you for your efforts NORML!
R.O.E #10 and Stillinthecloset #26:
Just because something is in the majority, that doesn’t mean it is necessarily right; however, in this case (legalizing MJ), we are right.
The “in the closet” mentality is part of the reason why MJ is still illegal, despite scientific evidence, logic, practicality, and plain humanity. People are afraid of social stigma or losing life and property to an unjust system. If you really believe in this cause, clean house and advocate, so they have nothing on you. Keep in mind that if you’ve been using and wonder why others can’t be as safe, mistakes and accidents happen, and yes, they can happen to you. No one should be persecuted for responsible MJ use.
And that is another reason why so many people may support personal use decrim, but legal change is slow in coming: many people dont’ see the effect on their lives. They may not use, or if they do, have yet to be screwed by the laws. Or may not vote. Or if they do, aren’t willing to make this issue the main one concerning their vote. The list goes on.
Anyway, donate to the cause if you can. Even better, I say buy a shirt–that will get people thinking and help to keep it in public consciousness. It will help “in the closet” tokers and average citizens to feel, umm, “norml” about this issue, especially if more people are seen with such apparel. Vote, and be willing to make this issue the only issue worth voting for, and let your representatives know. They need to know where Americans stand, because a lot of them really don’t know; or if they do know, at least they’ll realize why they’ve lost votes, and hopefully their office.
GOD Bless NORML~
“How about an annual personal use grow permit at a reasonable price? Government can’t seem to keep its nose out of people’s personal lives, or its money grubbing hands out of people’s pockets, so this might work.”
So they can’t keep there hands out of it, so you are just going to invite them in?!
Forget that, I want ALL the legal rights that alcohol consumers have or it’s a no deal. If ONE SINGLE THING is out of line, then again, NO DEAL. If I want to grow the most dank bud in my home, then I should be able to without needing a permit, license, being taxed, etc. I’ve brewed beer before, no one made me obtain a license, etc, so why the hell would should I have to for pot? And better yet, why would I agree to such insane terms?
All or nothing, period.
I’ll be more than happy to pay taxes on marijuana if it will allow me to buy it legal at the local store. Trying to demand growing your own on ANY BILL at this point is just plain stupid. It will not happen, and will kill any bill with any chance of decriminalizing at all. First let it become decriminalized, then push other issues such as your growing your own with no taxes fantasy. FANTASY being the key word. Understand that the government and states are not going to allow an item to become legal without being able to tax it, regulate it, and profit from it. Those who think they can get around the taxes issue are the very ones who keep marijuana illegal. As soon as talk about growing your own marijuana and paying no taxes on it comes up, everyone will fold their hands, cause it does not make sence to make it legal if the states can’t profit from it. No NORML, You can not compare marijuana to alcohol in cost to produce comparision,well you can, but you would lose that one hands down. I’m a diehard marijuana legalizer all the way, and I support NORML’s efforts at heart, but I also stand up for the FACTS, even if it hurts my position. Facts are, making your own home BREWS is quite costly when compared to store bought brew. The reason people don’t brew their own alcohol is because it’s not really that easy, nor is it that cheap to brew your own Brews. It’s not like you can just put a tablet in a gallon jug and make a gallon of beer or a gallon of wine. It takes more effort and costs more to brew your own beer or wine than it is worth. This and this reason alone is why most people don’t brew their own brew. Alcohol is a mess to make and process at small levels, and is cheap enough at the store as to not make one want to go throuh the process of making their own. To make your own beer or wine, you will pay more in grapes at $2.49 a pound, sugar at $5.00 per 10 pounds, and hops, and barly, and yeast, and so on, and so on, and so on. Who in the hell would pay that kind of money and go thru that much trouble to make their own alcohol??? Not many! That’s why people don’t make their own brew. It just don’t make sense too. People buy Cigarettes,Beer,Wine,and Liqour cause it would cost more in time and money than it would cost to just buy it already made. These costs are due to the processing factors and the price of the products needed at small levels. If I could grow my own Cigarettes as simple as planting a seed, I sure the heck wouldn’t be paying near $5.00 a pack including taxes for them. If I could produce wine and beer cheaper than commercial scale when adding time and costs, I would do that myself as well. The FACT is,not You, nor Me, nor Anyone else, can produce cigarettes or beer or wine or liquor/alcohol on a scale of just for one person, cheaper than just going to the store and buying it from the mass producers. Time+Labor+Materials=LOSS Not to mention that the cooking equipment and filter systems and storage areas to make good tasting quality brews is out of the ordinary mans price range. 6lbs of grapes 10lbs of sugar and your already at $25.00 for a gallon of wine, not to mention the mess and time to make it. I sure ain’t going out and paying $25.00 for a gallon of homemade wine that tastes like crap, when I can get a cheap bottle of wine for $2.99 already made sitting at the store, and I’m not gonna spend $25.00 to make a couple gallons of beer that tastes like crud, when I can go to the store and get a whole case of cold brewed filtered beer already canned for around $12.00 to $15.00 YES, one could brew their own brew, but it would not pay too, it would cost you ,in taste ,in cost,in time, and you would have to fall into the completely stupid catagory for doing so outside of doing it for fun of just doing it like a hobby. I would guess that it is fairly safe to say that less than 1% of people brew their own beer and wine. Most who try it end up with a product that tastes like over priced puke water. I personally know of no one who does it because it costs more than it’s worth. Now back to marijuana. If you try to make grow your own TAX FREE MARIJUANA a BILL ISSUE it will be like shooting every Marijuana smoker in America in the foot. Any bill that has grow your own in it will fail and fail repeatedly and badly. NORML above anyone should know this to be true. Everyone needs to stop this talk of demanding to grow your own included in ANY BILL, until it becomes decriminalized at state levels across the country. It’s like trying to put the cart before the Horse. It would never go nowhere!Marijuana does not fall in the hard to process area at all. This is where it is so different than alcohol and tobacco. It is the main (#1) reason why it has not become legal. It is just too easy to grow your own. This is the very reason it has been illegal for so long. The government and states know, just as you and I know, that it can be grown so easy in fact, that hardly anyone would not grow their own if allowed to do so. Where’s all the BILLIONS of DOLLARS in TAXES coming from if everyone grows their own???!!! There is no process that has to be gone thru , there is no formula that needs to be followed, and there is hardly no cost whatsoever to produce marijuana. All you really need is a seed, and they are FREE also if you grow your own. In a nut shell, the cost to grow your own marijuana is, 0.00 zero dollars and zero cents. Marijuana would cost NOTHING, ZERO, ZILTH, NADA, GOOSE EGGS, ECT,ECT!!! Marijuana would cost absolutely NOTHING to produce. $0.00 Why would anyone go to the store to buy Marijuana and pay taxes? They can grow it for FREE!!! Everyone who smokes marijuana in America would have Marijuana growing in their front yards with very little effort and hardly no cost at all. Sunshine is free, water is free if it rains,if not, a squirt from the hose a couple times a week don’t really cost anything. Comparing Marijuana to Alcohol NORML is not even a fair or well thought out statement. Yes, there would be some who would buy Marijuana from the store, but not that many at all compared to those who buy beer from the store. People buy beer, wine, ect, cause it is to the point of stupid to even try to make your own because of overall costs time taste ect. Marijuana on the other hand would be just opposite. One would be near stupid to go to the store and spend say $50.00 a week for Marijuana when he/she could very simply legally grow it for FREE in his/her own front yard! Marijuana would have to be priced cheaper than cigarettes in order to make people not grow their own. You know, and I know, that a single plant of the right variety grown outdoors under perfect growing conditions can produce up to Three POUNDS of Flowers. Most people don’t even smoke half that amount on their own PER YEAR!!! Anyone reading this—be completely honest with yourself—-Would you plant say two or three seeds and have more Marijuana than you could even possibly smoke for a whole year for FREE!!!—or would you go to the store every week and pay say a price of $25.00 to $50.00 a week plus taxes??????????? While some who have plenty of money may in fact go buy from the store, most will NOT! Not when you can Grow it very easy for FREE!!! Asking the Government or States to let one grow their own will never be agreed too!!! When and if it does become available at the state level, you can then look for the grow your own for medical purpose to be done away with as well. The bills in congress would allow states to sell at levels below 3 and 1/2 ounces is about as good as it will get. I look for that amount to be taken down to say just over an ounce as well if it were to even pass at all, which I am hopeful it does pass. If it’s legal, who needs to have over an ounce at any given time, when you can run up to the store and pick up more at any given time? This wanting it legal to grow your own is putting the horse behind the cart and going in the wrong direction. Hoping that it will become legal at state level at any level at all is the first step. Saying let us grow our own so we don’t have to pay any taxes, is like sticking a hot IRON to
a stick of butter and hoping the butter won’t melt. The only reason it is getting looked at seriously at this time is because of the profits and taxes that could be made from it if it were legal. Take the taxes away and you are left with absolutely no chance whatsoever of making marijuana legal at any level. To demand—-GIVE US MARIJUANA FOR FREE WITH NO TAXES—Is just flat out a crazy demand to be making in any bill at this time. Don’t get me wrong, I wish it were true that we could grow our own and do it in a tax free manner. That would be totally SWEET!!!That would be true FREEDOM, but let’s be honest, that’s not gonna happen, I doubt ever. To say the time will come when one can grow his own legally, that time could possibly come, but it will only come with laws that apply tax to the grower and also the end user should it be sold. It will never be like alcohol or cigarettes where you can make your own, as it is too easy to do so, and can be done at little to no cost at all. The only reason alcohol and tobacco has make your own laws, is because it makes no sence at all to make your own in the first place. To have the same laws in place for marijuana, it would make no sence at all not to grow your own. Again, this is the number one reason that keeps marijuana illegal. It’s so easy to produce that no one would buy it for much of any price at all if they were able to grow their own legally for FREE!!! The current bill that Mr.Franks has put forward is the best step forward, it allows for legal sales at state levels with no Federal interferance, yet keeps in place laws at te Federal level to keep it illegal to grow your own. The bill is a masterpiece and everyone should be cheering it on. The Bill creates an avenue that allows one to smoke marijuana in peace without chance of arrest, it at the same time ,by not allowing one to grow his own, makes it so that one has to pay taxes on all marijuana and there is no way around it without breaking the law. HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT FAIR!!!!! Well it’s not to some degree such as your rights, but then, niether is charging $5.00 for a pack of cigarettes that probably costs 20 cents a pack to make!!! To me, this is fair, or at least as fair as I can see it becoming and be made legal. Mark my words NORML, You will never see the day when every American has TAX FREE marijuana growing in there front yard (un-less it is being taxed). This FRANKS bill makes marijuana legal at a personal level, and keeps the taxes going to the man. If it were hard to produce marijuana and process it, or costly at a single person level to the point that making your own would be pointless, it would have already become legal. The FACT that marijuana is so,so easy to produce and process and practically FREE in cost to produce, makes it not at all on the same level as alcohol or tobacco. People don’t grow their own cigarettes or tobacco products for the most part as the process is too complex. People don’t brew their own brew because the time+cost+labor=LOSS The FACT is, Marijuana is so easy to grow if it were legal to grow in the wide open, that I can’t think of one person who couldn’t or wouldn’t grow their own if they could do so legally. Poster above says he has his seeds waiting and ready to plant as soon as it becomes legal to do so. That is a very fair statement to make, and so does everyone else who smokes, they all have their seeds waiting to plant if it becomes legal to do so. The FACT s NORML, their is not one person I know of who would spend say $25.00 to $50.00 every week at the local store for Marijuana if they have the simply option to plant their own. It would take a complete moron to pay such a weekly price compared to FREE, when it is so easy to grow. I can sit here and YIP YIP and YELL right along with you about FREEDOMS, and I would be right, as you to are right NORML. As free people one should be allowed to grow ones own marijuana and smoke as one pleases as long as it don’t cause harm to others by the one doing so. However, at some point one must know out of pure common sense that the tax man is gonna have his cut of anything and everything that amounts too or becomes anything. Putting grow your own in any bill would be the most backward thing and the most destructive thing done against marijuan in ages. Trying to force this in bills would set the marijuana movement back 20 years. We have an oppertunity here to make marijuana legal for the first time in my lifetime and NORML wants to screw it up by demanding TAX FREE POT like a 60’s HIPPIE, as in let us grow our own because we demand it??? WE DEMAND TO GROW OUR OWN TAX FREE MARJUANA!!!! What on earth are you smoking NORML? FAIRY DUST!!! Your flying high like marijuana is already legal!!! Heck, let’s demand that we get our weed tax free, because the bill in the current form will make us pay taxes. DUH!!!!! The Bill as written is pure talent in the way that it makes marijuana legal at the personal level, which is WHAT WE WANT!!!, and it allows taxes to be collected which is WHAT THEY WANT!!! Take away the TAXES and there will never be legal marijuana. Almost every YES vote will come from the fact of revenues WILL BE being made from TAXES and REGULATIONS. THAT”S WHY IT”S CALLED REGULATIONS<CAUSE IT IS REGULATED!!! YOU CAN”T COMPARE IT TO ALCOHOL!!!Alcohol costs plenty to make,where Marijuana costs bare nothing to grow. BIG difference. The Bill as written SHOWS that marijuana will be taxed if allowed to become legal at a state level. THIS!!! is what they want to see. GROWING OUR OWN MARIJUANA TAX FREE???? This would be laughed off the table!!! AGAIN!!!, THE ONLY REASON IT IS GETTING LOOKED AT IN A SERIOUS NON-STONER WAY, IS BECAUSE OF THE MONEY THAT IT COULD MAKE IN TAXES!!!! KEY WORD TAXES___TAXES___TAXES!!!! You might as well demand that Cigarettes come back down too $0.75 a pack while your at it NORML. TELL THEM WE DEMAND TAX FREE CIGARETTES!!! Ten hold your breath and wait for it to happen. If you can do either, then this is one that I’ll gladly be wrong on. Marijuana is much easier than tobacco to produce and 100X’s easier to bring to usable form. Therefore, for it to be completely legal to grow your own, and to make it not worth growing your own so you will buy store TAXED goods, it would have to be sold even cheaper than cigarettes. WOW!!! THAT WOULD BE GREAT MAN!!! LOL!!!! Sure it would, but let’s take a look at that for a minute. You would be able to buy a pack of 20 count cigarette sized joints for less than a pack of cigarettes!!! The average person who smokes, smokes a half to a pack of cigarettes each and every day. Now lets look at that same pack of cigarette sized marijuana cigarettes. That same pack would last the average marijuana smoker a week or longer for just the one pack. A cigarette sized joint is two to three times larger than an average joint. So, at this point, the taxes collected on marijuana would be 7X less than that of cigarettes as 7X less would be smoked compared to cigarettes in volume. Not to mention marijuana would have to sell at a lower price than cigarettes to keep those from growing their own to save money. Now your at less than cigarettes prices, and people still will be tempted to grow their own, because they can save money by growing it for free. YOU just can’t beat FREE NORML. YOUR FAIRY TALE PRINCESS WORLD of TAX FREE Marijuana would leave the States and Government with little to NO profits whatsoever!!!. What happened to all those BILLIONS and BILLIONS of Dollars that the States would make for selling legal marijuana. You know the reason we claim it should be made legal to start with!!! It’s not happening, cause everyone is growing their own, TAX FREE MARIJUANA in NORML FAIRY LAND!!! Being allowed to grow your own marijuana at FREE of cost is hard to compete with and make any kind of a profit at any level. The very thing we promise if marijuana was to be made legal is the BILLIONS and BILLIONS of DOLLARS that States could collect by taxing marijuana. Everyone growing their own tax free marijuana would produce no taxes whatsoever. Unless marijuana is priced at less than say three Dollars a 20 pack, I just don’
t see people not growing their own once prices go beyond that price. Like I said earlier, if I could grow my own cigaretts from simply planting a few seeds, I would certainly do it right now in a minute. At $5.00 a pack, a pack a day, that’s $1,825.00 a year for cigarettes. X2 because my wife smokes also, that’s $3,650.00 for cigarettes. Now you show me a plant that I can grow and save myself $3,650.00 a year, and I’ll show you plant that I’ll be growing. While tobacoo is not that easy to grow and bring to readiness, Marijuana however, IS!!! Their is no person in his/her right mind that would go to the store and spend $25.00 to $50.00 every week for TAXED MARIJUANA, when they can simply grow it at home for FREE!!! People don’t brew their own beer and wine NORML, because it costs to darn much to do so. People would almost certainly grow their own Marijuana for FREE of CHARGE!!! The argument of everyone should be allowed to grow their own TAX FREE, cuts off the legs of the claim that BILLIONS and BILLIONS would be made by the states in tax revenues. In order for Marijuana to in fact make the states billions and billions of dollars in tax money, it will have to be kept illegal to grow your own for free. OR you could let everyone grow their own as our freedoms should rightfully allow, and the states would make pretty much nothing off the deal other than the reduced crimes and reduced need for prisons ect. It’s not like alcohol where it costs more to make it than it does just to buy it. It’s not like cigarettes where it takes many different processes to bring it to usable form. It’s MARIJUANA, It’s a weed that anyone can grow for near no cost at all. Again, this is why it has not become legal, because the NORML’s of the world want it for FREE, as in TAX FREE. The way Franks has the Bills written is the only way that it can work, and make the Billions in Revenues, and make it legal to smoke at the same time, and along with that working as it should, it must in FACT stay illegal to grow your own, as once grow your own is placed on the table in a TAX FREE way, then the profits for sales go right out the window with it. While less than 1% of people make their own brew because it makes no sense to pay more for something than you have too, and buying from the mass producers is cheaper than one could make it him/herelf. I don’t have no DATA to argue a point of exact figures, but when given the option of paying between $2,000.00 and $4,000.00 a year for TAXED MARIJUANA or the option too grow your own for FREE!!! I’m thinking we are batting near 100% of people will take the FREE option. I mean, I just don’t know of ANYONE!!! who would not plant one or two plants in their yard or in containers, to save $2,000.00 to $4,000.00 CASH every year. I think people would indeed grow their own marijuana if it were totally legal and free to do so, I in fact couldn’t think of one person in their right mind, who wouldn’t grow their own. It would have to stay illegal to grow your own, or you would lose the money factory. Can’t have it both ways. The way Franks Bill is layed out gives each side a WIN. They get their taxes, you get to smoke marijuana free of fear, just pay your taxes. It really is a great bill, that works for both sides, and it is the only way I think it will ever work or be passed. My hats off to Franks for planning such a great Bill that had to take a lot of thought to make it work on a workable, TAXABLE fair level for both sides of the isle.
I’m glad NORML is fighting for legalization of the marijuana market. However, I am disgusted that NORML and other supporters of legalization are so willing to forgive the government’s irrational drug war which has costs thousands of lives and trillions of dollars. WHY SHOULD ANYONE AGREE TO THE TAXATION OF THIS COMMODITY?
The U.S. government agencies who have commanded the drug war have been violent enemies of marijuana producers and consumers for decades. It is widely known that marijuana is a huge cash cow, the country is in a recession and desperate for income, and now the government (whichever one… state/local/federal/doesn’t matter) decides it wants a share of the pie. I say FORGET IT. If marijuana is legalized and heavily taxed, then I have no intention of participating in that market. There will remain a black market for producers and consumers of this vital commodity, they will have lower prices than legal channels, and I will support the free market.
DO THE MORAL THING: LEGALIZE IT AND DON’T TAX IT!
[Editor’s note: What is legal is taxed. If you don’t want to pay taxes on cannabis, grow your own, which is what NORML’s legalization reforms seek.]
I am not a user but I support what NORML is doing 100%. However, I’m a bit dissapointed in alot of the comments on this blog. I don’t think users here are really addressing the problems the “other side” has.
California State rolls out $3.36 billion in IOUs today!!! Why can’t Arnold debate legalizing cannabis and supporting california’s a.b. 390 like he said he wanted to do when he was asked on camera!!! Read this shist:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2009/07/02/MN3E18HI04.DTL
Well that’s quite a wall of text – what are you smoking??!! I joke, but really, IF MJ was taxed and sold at the local Quik Stop do you really think local officials would still be out in helicopters looking for home grown weed? I think growing our own, after Legalization, would become a defacto practice. I know I would grow my own, and many of my friends would, too. The thinking is, if it is legal, how could they give you too much grief over growing it? Surely the penalty, if any, would at least be much less than it is today.
To # 31 – I think from your rant that it’s quite apparent you have never grown cannabis. Cannabis is easy to grow, if you’re trying to grow schwag. Growing good cannabis is about as easy as brewing good beer. Ask any experienced grower. This means it is not impossible to produce your own quality product, but the first few times, you’re almost guaranteed to fuck it up. Furthermore, once you have learned to grow quality cannabis, you still have to fine tune your art to remove yourself from the buying part of the equation. Most plants, contrary to government propaganda, do not produce a pound, or even a half pound, per plant. Most growers are happy when they perfect growing a strain that produces a QP or so per plant. Add to the difficulty of growing large quantities of quality cannabis the fact that growing a mature plant from seed takes at least 4-5 months, at least 3 from clone, if you rush your crop, and that’s a long period of time during which even successful growers will likely have to buy from a retail outlet. Once you know how to grow, you also have to learn to cure. You don’t just chop the plant and smoke. Any good growing guide will warn you that the easiest place to fuck your product is in the curing – proper curing adds another month or so to the grow time. In short, cannabis cultivation would be a very long process, which requires great care and attention to detail every step of the way. Re your comment on growing tobacco – tobacco is probably easier to grow than cannabis. Maybe you should try it. And you don’t have to buy all the ingredients for home brewing – I know people who grow their own grapes to make homemade wine. Also, many of the states which have legalized medical marijuana already allow patients to grow their own – and those states still have great demand from medical patients for ready-to-buy product as well. What makes you think it would be any more difficult to work similar provisions into decrim measures?
I’m 50 years old and have spent the majority of my life in silence. I have finally come to the conclusion that silence is no longer acceptable. The time has come for the silent majority to step into the light of truth and speak out against the tyranny of an oppressive government that refuses to hear the voice of its citizens. I agree whole heartedly with this article and your position. People like me must step out of the shadows and with a collective voice let government know we will be silent no longer!
To #31. Tobacco is easy to grow. Anyone can do it. It does not take a rocket scientist to grow tobacco. I know I’ve lived in Kentucky. It is simply far easier and you get a better product by going the commercial route. The fact of the matter is people are far to busy trying to make ends meet to spend hours cultivating. There is also the issue of space and security. WHEN marijuana becomes legal to cultivate it does not mean you will be able to do so in the openly in your backyard there will still be those who will “rip you off” at the first chance they get. Furthermore, it is my experience that most people are just lazy. Why would they spend countless hours cultivating something that, if it were legal, they could go to the convenience store and buy and very likely in higher quality than they could grow themselves. I support exactly the position NORML puts forth. Legalize, tax and grow your own!
I hope my homegrown wins a blue ribbon at the county fair! Peace.
The Importance of Permitting Consumers the Right to Cultivate Marijuana for Personal Use… and Marc Emery has understood this fundamental principle very early on and as a business minded person he wanted to be instrumental in making this possible by selling the seeds of freedom.And today he faces extradition and possibly years in prison. America ,how dare you condemn this man ? and if you ever do, HISTORY will judge you severely
BRAVO BROTHER!!!! This what freedom would look like, if we weren’t Government property. I for 1 would chose to grow, for meat,clothing,and fuel and whatever I could invent with this GOD given plant that produces SEED OF IT’S KIND. THANK YOU GOD for loving us SO MUCH. peace!!! al.
Dude (and you’ll figure out who you are), if you need to make a point, DON’T toke up first. Figure out what to say and do it somewhat succinctly. After I realized how long your babbling was, I stopped reading. I can go inside my own head for looping stream of consciousness.
Use paragraphs.
What #36 said about growing.
obama lies (added by Mobile using Mippin)
Majk , You said we , the Marijuana Consumers are not addressing the Problems of the other side. Could that be all of the Scientific data and Studies that Prove it’s Medical Efficacy ? Could it be the Mirror of Prohibition of Alcohol that they do not understand. Could it be that they do not Understand when your Government Lies to you all the time that We the People Loose TRUST ? Perhaps they do not Understand that Life is an Adventure and those people who are adventurous and thrill seekers like to test the bounds of Consciousness need no Governments Permission to experience Sacred things.? I am Fucking Sorry that I have not fully addressed these self righteous Prohibitionists Fears, They certainly do not care about mine . I have Served My Country , and I am Honorably Discharged Veteran . That is More than I can say for the Scum , that keep Marijuana Prohibition going. They are Lower than Snake Shit , But not beneath my Contempt !!!!
– Both Massachusetts’ HB2929 / SB1801,
and California’s AB-390,
proposed cannabis-regulation and taxation-acts
ALLOW-FOR cannabis-consumers to home-grow,
in likewise manner, that present alcohol
regulations also allow one to brew their own beer and wine.
– Any national or federal ‘decrim’ / re-legalization measures
need to make said-same home-cultivation exception as well.
(Even though the majority of cannabis-consumers
would opt for readily-purchasing
the taxed, pre-packaged product,
over the inconvenience of growing their own).
– Wild, feral cannabis-plants should ALSO
be allowed to grow freely*,
as an excellently-rated, “carbon-negative” ally
for removing ‘greenhouse-gas’ CO2 from the atmosphere,
as a strong hedge against soil-erosion and depletion,
and
as a superior, wildlife seed-food,
far too-long-absent from our world’s ecosystem.
*(Instead of being subjected to
reckless, idiotic, misguided,
environmentally-destructive
erradication-campaigns any longer!).
#33 MAJK Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 4:37 am
I am not a user but I support what NORML is doing 100%.
However, I’m a bit disappointed in alot of the comments on this blog.
I don’t think users here are really addressing the problems the “other side” has.
RE:
MAJK,
– I completely agree…
Unless we can intelligently, incontrovertibly
allay dubious fears and refute the prohibitionists’
false-premises for retaining failed policy,
we’ll just be ignored as a bunch of
“stupid potheads”.
– A good place to start, as a practice “homework-assignment”:
Address each and every valid-concern, spurious-argument
and obvious-anslingerism raised in a news-article, report,
or “findings” / “facts” from DEA, ONDCP, drug-free organization’s
website, as if speaking to the author of such, in a “statement / reply format”,
(Even if not actually sending it to the person / organization in-question…).
– And if sending,
(or just posting to NORML-BLOG, for that matter),
PROOFREAD and SPELLCHECK everything before you do!
Thanks for articulating this important point. Insuring the freedom to freely home-grow will keep the commercial market prices and quality reasonable. It really isn’t difficult or costly to grow good quality pot in a home garden, but if one can buy a pack of buds or joints at the corner market at prices similar to alcohol and tobacco, most won’t bother to grow. If those prices become the equivalent of paying $10 for a bottle of beer, or for a single tobacco cigarette, then home-growing will become very popular.
If personal cultivation is kept illegal, I’d almost rather the whole thing be kept illegal. What a BEAUTIFUL way for the gov’t to basically eliminate good weed… legalize it, then set max THC levels at something outrageously low and only let a few companies grow it.
We need to legalize pot.. It is far less dangerous then alcohol.. Can u jus think about a life were some1 smoking a joint is as common as sone1 walking their dog down the street, o wait it already is now lets make it legal.!! (added by Mobile using Mippin)
IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN A CREATOR…IT MIGHT BE BEST FOR YOU TO GO STRAIGHT TO…………..THE NEXT POST!
If the best way to worship God is by doing good for yourself and others…there’s a lot of “do gooders” that better stay away from God’s house. At the very least…they should duck when they enter, for fear of God zapping their pointed little heads. And…for God’s sake…they better not go into God’s house and start straightening the pictures…even re-writing his Bible to fit their personal opinions.
Frankly…The Kingdom of God is “within you”…and…
all around you…not in mansions made of sticks and stones.
Frankly…Jesus described today’s issues best in
Matthew 15:9…and…Mark 7:7,8.
Frankly…I don’t think these “do gooders” will understand Mark and Matt any more than they understand
Genesis I:11,12 Genesis I:29,30,31 Genesis IX:3
I don’t feel confident that they understand either Testiment.
Do I really care? Of course I do! I care about my brethren and their beliefs in every single faith
…that is…until they try to tell God what to do.
Then…I have to consider their sanity and religious aggression.
And THAT’S THE IMPORTANCE OF PERMITTING ANYONE THE RIGHT TO CULTIVATE CANNABIS FOR PERSONAL USE.
Hello to Mr. Mantis I like your writing!
I believe in God and the Bible myself.
Marijuana cultivation for personal use takes a bite, a very big bite out of crime. It also ensures us that it is clean and pesticide free.
Twelve or so years ago three tiny plants were found in my hobby greenhouse; it was November. I was only curious. My Dad, o’rest his soul, grew some tall plants in 1980. Farming is in our genes and the movement that is taking place as we ‘type’ is long overdue to us.
I am an American and proud to stand up for what is right.
‘By The People, for the people and WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES… in order to form a more perfect Union…’ are the history making words enscribed by our Forefathers on hemp paper. Amen.
Thank you Lord. I hope everyone has a safe and happy celebration of our freedom tomorrow. May God please bless our troops in action in bringing peace to our world. Amen.
Oh Lord I pray that not one single person suffer from this day on from the mistakes we have made with the war on hemp. Let the lush green fields roll forward. Amen.
Wendy in Good ‘ole Utah.
It will come to war before it comes to legalization. The government is well aware of marijuana’s popularity. As long as the people remain weak, the government will remain strong. If you want to smoke weed legally, put down the pens and the paper, look around you, the government doesn’t have a peaceful solution to anything. The government’s specialty is war and profit. Stop complaining. Do something about it, the chances for change are better now then they will be in the future, trust me. If we don’t kick them in the ass soon, they truly will OWN all of us someday. Cannabis is but a small issue in the larger picture of American freedom. There is a threat, and these are signs of further neglect. I encourage every American citizen to educate yourselves as much as possible about the inner workings of all of your branches of government. You will discover how deep the corruption really goes. We must aquire this knowledge, and spread this knowledge to the people, ALL of them. It is our right as Americans to know what is going on and why. Don’t wait for help, help yourselves. We are amazing creatures and god is on our side, please look past cannabis legalization, our freedom is at stake guys, and its our own government who are the bad guys. That’s scary stuff man.
I really can’t wait to enjoy the experience of cultivating my own cannabis someday! I enjoy a good beer every now and again, but it is not a needed thing for me to have. I know several people that brew their own beer and it is a great beer, let me tell you. I think that personal cultivation could open up new developments which could be marketed to a legalized system and would encourage new development. Legalization is definitely the answer to many problems we all face today. I hate being looked at as a criminal. I work 40 hrs a week, and I go to school, AND maintain a 3.7 GPA. I like many others am just as normal as the next guy, not a criminal.
The right to possess is a barren right without the right to cultivate, store, trade, barter, process (harm reduction) and freely discuss. Age of consent is an artificial construct in an informed society, and represents the greatest unspoken hurdle to climb over. What is consensual is lawful. What is lawful is not necessarily laudable. We need social mores, the normative ‘rules and sanctions’ that can only come when the LAW changes. This will (and must) occur over time and only tolerance will get us there.
New Zealand recently passed a progressive regulatory model (R18) for recreational soft drugs. It could/should be the model for the rest of the world to follow.
see http://mildgreens.blogspot.com/2008/11/royal-assent-given-to-d-grade-soft.html
[snip]
New Zealand placed into law the regulatory model “Class D”. It makes provision under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Health – possession, sale, advertising, packaging, labeling etc of ‘soft’ drugs. Canadian reformers and health administrators alike may find the pragmatic and simple approach to this problem instructive. Further, it was adopted without political squabble or public rancour.
[end snip]
– The continued, ongoing prohibition against
growing / utilizing ANY God-Given plant,
especially one as useful and efficaceous as
cannabis,
is…so…14th-century-witch-hunt,
Spanish-Inquisition nonsense…
This MUST END NOW!!!
(Should’ve ended 700 years ago…)
By the way, #49, Manny, you ROCK!!!
(A more detailed, complete reply shortly…
but for now, an appropo song…)
“YES, I BELIEVE IN GOD
Whatever the cost
From this day on ‘ until forever
I will take the narrow road
For I am not alone
I do not walk this path alone
CHORUS:
Yes, I believe in God
This I will say to you
Mean it death or mean it life
Oh, I believe in God
For I have found the way
And I am not ashamed
I have found the way”
I would be perfectly content with the way marijuana laws are now if I could just mantain a job without having a drug test. I work harder than most people I work with; however, one day I’ll get fired and be denied unemployment. Not because I didn’t do my job, not because I made mistakes or wasn’t smart enough. For the simple reason that I like to smoke marijuana. I like to work hard and come home, sit on the porch with a few good friends and smoke a blunt in the summertime. Is this really hard to ask for in a ‘free’ country? I made straight A’s in high school went to a good college and have a good job; but this horrible drug I use is suppose to make my memory bad, give me cancer, and make me dumb. I don’t know what kind of marijuana the government was smoking but I think they should try my stuff. It’s sad that a marijuana legalization bill probably gets scrutenized more than a stimulus bill thats rushed through the process and spends trillions of dollars that won’t help the economy. How about making me feel like my tax money is being used properly by actually doing something important in Washington.
Thank you NeuroGenesis1:29 for understanding what my comment was referring to. I felt most of the comments up until my post were just exactly what the “other side” fears… and is precisely what keeps them at bay.
We must engage in smart & intelligent debates and address their concerns with empathy and assure them that we too, do not want more crime, more children addicted to drugs or more death. In fact, prohibition INCREASES these problems!
And what Robert Vetter said in his post is exactly the type of stuff that needs to be talked about and debated with the “other side” until they finally cave on their prohibition stance. The good news is we are in the right and they are simply misinformed or just “phoning it in” with traditionally stances passed down from previous generations.
Like it or not, we must get the prohibitionists to change their minds. I fear the worst way to do this is with ad campaigns that promote marijuana over-usage or encourage others to try it, etc. I don’t think NORML does this, but I think alot of users around the world do and this is a mistake.
I have changed more minds by asking questions from the “other side” and then addressing their concerns. And if given the time, I can explain all what NORML talks about too. And then at the end of the debate most are suprised to learn that I’m not a user, which is what we need more of.
56 MAJK We all understand…and…agree.
Keep this in mind…Religiously we are protected by the First Amendment…and…God. Medically we stand +80% in favor of “legalization”. Recreational use has a way to go…but…GO WE WILL…with a vengeance if need be. History has shown us that all the yaba, yaba, yaba…and…bla, bla, bla is great…but…no change takes place until we actually physically shove it down their throats. Let’s hope it doesn’t get to that point…God help us. But…keep in mind…
“Rebellion against tyranny is obedience to God.”
Consider also…if you please…”Politics is only a prolongation of moral science…and…war is nothing but failed policy.”
Don’t…however…underestimate the power of words.
“Words are things…and a small drop of ink falling like dew upon a thought…produces that which makes thousands think.” Byron
54 NeuroGensis1:29…..Manny here! Got ya loud and clear!
Remember A BRIDGE OVER TROUBLED WATERS?
Speaking of music, can anyone remember the Jim Stafford song WILD WOOD WEED. We need to find it and recirculate it. It is about a farmer that ‘took a little trip – didn’t even have to leave the farm.’ It ends with the sheriff rolling away on the back of the pickup ‘sittin on that SACK O’ SEED.
In my opinion, we need to criminalize Lobbyists in every facet of Government. Yes – I KNOW this would also stop the pro-pot lobbyists, but here’s the rest of it..
Our Constitution was a basic document which provided for Private Citizens to express their concerns to a Representative for their District. Any concerns by that areas general public were passed from the Representative to the appropriate Senator, and together the system worked out the details to ensure the happiness and well-being of districts all over the nation. Nowdays we are restricted in our efforts to even be HEARD by our Reps. and Senators, since we don’t have the Deep Pockets that Lobbyists and their special interest groups have.
This is of course, just one simple man’s view – I am not a scholar or a lawyer, just a God-fearing citizen who knows when he is out-represented because of his social status. This is really a war of Money – as it always is in Washington these days. I agree with Thomas Jefferson, who, paraphrased said, “Clean all the bums out of office every 4 years” so they don’t get fat and lazy and embed themselves in government while being on the receiving end of the money…that last unquoted part, by me 🙂
I was wondering what Norml’s postion on home cultivation in a legal market. Thanx for clearing that up Allen. Glad to hear Norml stands for freedom !
Does anyone know what MPP’s postion is on personal home cultivation in a legal model ? I hope its the same as Norml’s.
Hello Castaneda,
Indeed, NORML strongly supports the ability of cannabis consumers in a legal market to grow their own cannabis, just like beer consumers can brew their own beer (in most states).
Thanks for your inquiry!
61 Casteneda
Being able to grow and consume your own “medicinal cannabis” was the whole idea behind California’s 11362.5. Then, we concluded that hundreds of thousands of Qualified Patients could not or would not cultivate their own supply, and were left without safe acces to their medicine. Therefore “collective cultivation” became the agenda. The problem…until July 1st, 2009…was that everyone and their brother got into the business of cultivating and distributing. It’s the “unlawful Pot Shop” on every corner that got the attention of concerned parents and law enforcement. Even though the Attorney General’s Guidelines based on SB 420 allows for “collective cultivation” some over-zealous servents of law enforcement basically pissed on the law and did their own thing. They can’t do that anymore without getting their ass in a sling.
The bottom line is this. If you can grow your own…
that’s the best way to go. If you can’t grown your own
…a “lawful collective” is equally as good.
I can only prohesize the outcome of California’s direction…so to say…1. Cultivating will become
“legal” with State Certified Growers. 2. State Operated Dispensaries will distribute the medicine to MPP cardholders obtained from the County Health Depts.
So 61…Growing and consuming your own is really the safest way to go.
Hi ‘ya all Wendy here. I’m busy today but would like to share some FOOD for thought.
Here are some cute sites (www) we may establish in the very near future:
– letmegrow.com
– homegrown easy money not outta’ ‘ya own pocket
– Uncle Sam.uoittous
– Love Your Neighbor..Respect Their Privacy
– appoint custodians to nation’s seed supplies
which are on-hand now
– foodgetreal
– farmers.united.u.s.a.
– whogetsthemanna (anyway)
– legalizefreedom
– ucanhaveit
Peace, later.
. . . – itsinurgenes
– itsinurjeans
– rebukecartell. Amen.
# Wendy from Good ‘ole Utah Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Speaking of music, can anyone remember the Jim Stafford song WILD WOOD WEED. We need to find it and recirculate it. It is about a farmer that ‘took a little trip – didn’t even have to leave the farm.’
RE: Wendy,
Here’s one version
I found…on YouTube:
Wild Wood Weed
I’ve just been raked over the coals by a small town judge for having a JOINT. I plea bargained like an idiot so I wouldn’t lose my Hope Scholarship if I were convicted, and I certainly couldn’t have afforded a lawyer, so like a fool I plea bargained. Now I’m playing the probation game. The probation officers treat me like some kind of child molester, and refuse to do anything but be as uncooperative as possible, just because they can.
I was at my wit’s end…feeling like a murderer or something, and like I was locked in this legal cycle forever, and then I found this! True professionals with logic who can back up their claims with legitimate science and reason, and who aren’t afraid to speak up for what they believe. You guys are amazing. Thanks and God bless!
There’s been talk of tax/regulate “like alcohol”. I can produce 100gal of beer & 100gal of wine per year at home, no regulation/permit. And I can give it away, but not sell it. And if there are 2 or more adults in my household, those limits double. So, what is to be the hemp equivalent of that? Until I get a straight and reasonable answer, I won’t support tax/regulate because claiming it’s “like alcohol” would be a lie. 6 plants per person/year would put the criminal element out of business.
Okay finally #66 NeuroGenesis1:29
Hi there I just noticed Genes within the word Genesis.
So anyway thanks for the research.
Golly gee whiz…sure puts a smile on your face, huh?
Jim Stafford is such an absolute doll and the Writer Don Bowman is so awesome too (of course.)
Burlap? …notice the genuine laughter in the background anyone? We all know laughter is the best medicine. A-a-a-Men. Amen.
I heard once that Angel’s have a hilarious sense of humor. I’ve recently read that Angels are spiritual beings created in ‘large’ and there are a great number of them of whom now reside in Heaven with God. He has a great ‘host of Angels’ of whom are his Army now and forever more. Oh, and I read that Angel’s were created long before ourselves too, maybe on the Third Day and Angels compare to wind or fire’s time of Creation also. Anyway,
…and the lady in the YouTube video that yells out loud, “Yeah.” Very funny she sounds like me in fact ’cause I’ve been one who’s known to yell out loud. Tee-hee. I did grow up on the farm with eleven other brothers and sisters after all. Tee-hee.
I can picture the man from Washington D.C. sittin on a HUGE sack o’seeds. Big ‘ole gunny sacks of grain are as big as our own bodies. I guess though it just as easily might have been a little tiny sack o’seeds he was sittin on. Ha-ha-ha.
Oh, I guess I had it wrong; it was Himself not the sheriff sittin on it. So in fact the seeds did remain with Himself and his Brother Bill after all. I always liked all of Jim’s hilarious songs. Check it out ya ‘all. There are 60 of ’em.
How much seed (food substance alone) is under siege in our local evidence lockers within the whole American Continent we live on? Yes, tribes were known to have survived on hemp seeds alone. There is a rare amino acid in hemp seeds that is really nutritional.
It’s a challenge but what if world hunger could be eliminated? Human kind deserves that much out of this tyranny. We Americans are the leaders of the world so let’s get on with the leading part…
Photo-synthesis: I wonder if Governor Lingle of Hawaii knows what this word means. The World is supposed to be restored to its pristine (uncontaminated, pure) form once again. I’m not sure of the Prophecy if this happens before or with the Second Coming of Christ. I think Jesus will then reign on Earth for a thousand years after that.
That natural laughter certainly needs to be restored into the background of T.V., etc. too! That ‘canned’ laughter is so annoying and has been for such a long time. What’s wrong with the media anyway? Are they under the thumb of oppression like us or is it Satan at work against the Spirit of Thee Lord Almighty God? Amen.
69 Wendy
Hemp is the most nutricious food know to man.
Hemp seed, hemp powder, hemp oil.
Google hemp manufactures…and…enjoy. As amatter of fact…they claim some 80 cannabinoids in hemp now.
What’s really good is hemp granola.
“Get Thee Behind Me Devil” JESUS COMMANDS and it has to.
In reply Manny #70 – once again that would waste my precious time. I already won the knowledge and freedom from your words. I believe you. Wendy.
Of course u.f.o.’s exist…
we are communicating with one now….
the truth is self evident.
It has always been us up there in the heavens and skies already all along up there come on now okay…okay…alright already?
All along. Okay? Okay.
I mean alright already okay?
I hope we don’t have an earthquake. Wendy.
the gov’t could still make a sizable amount of money by making people get “permits” to grow their own. growing for personal use is difficult enough without trying to hide it from neighbors and authorities. its a plant, not a meth lab. everyone could use a new hobby, especially one with such great rewards if you do it right. the fact that people are still getting arrested for possession is something that has always bothered/baffled me…
and please refrain from all the god posts; i come here to talk with responsible adults about real issues, not imaginary beings…
i started my own plants about 2 years ago, and the excitement of coming home every day and checking on the little ladies was such a challenge/satisfaction i will continue to as long as the sun is shining, regardless of what my gov’t tells me. its for me and close friends, not your children or anyone who doesnt use.
keep to yourself, and well get along great
#76 – gfunk Says: Hi there from Wendy.
Amen Amen Amen.
And yes they did treat me as though I had a meth lab.
Peace, Love, Joy, and Happiness to each and every one.
(How’s that?)
Wendy
And yes of course.
I know what you mean.
They are gorgeous little plants for heck sakes already.
I had just forgotten to pull ’em up when all hell busted loose.
I swear to God (which from my own personal faith I believe I am not supposed to) but anyway,
I had only been curious that year in my hobby greenhouse.
I had never grown before but I saw each and everyone around me grow and get away with it for a million years.
Why don’t you therefore show your face?
What is your name?
Oh Lord Pray Tell I Ask Thee? Amen.
woops!
dang it.
My service just went down a second.
I am not sure sometime when I am on-line or not.
It just bleeps out sometimes ya know.
Maybe It Is The David And Goliathe Factor.
maybe it is satan himself…
so be ware….
I cast thee out oh dirty devil beware beware beware!
Amen.
#76 – gfunk Says: – Come on out and try to refrain yourself from Our God Posts. Amen.
Wherefore All Yea Nation Lay
Forever Be Thy Name.
I Pray Oh Lord
Oh Kingdom Come Thy Will Be Done
On Earth As It Is In Heaven
Give Us This Day Oh Please Oh Lord
Your Manna Sent From Heaven.
Amen.
#76 gfunk Says: – Really I am happy that your family has remained unscathed kind sir but please allow me to stress this issues, please;
…you just entered our thoughts as a person with no name. As long as you coward and fall unto the lies?
Hide, sneak, cheat, tell your children that it is okay to make an untrue statements?
Now please kind sir please tell me so
so that I will know.
How do we protect our children
and how our gardens grow? Wendy.
What kind of a ripple effect stems from just ONE LIE!
I Ask Of Thee
Are You An Imaginary Being
Amen.
I hqave the answer, Have one of Norml’s lobbyist contact Ron Paul or Barney Frank I think B F. would
be most likely plausible, but have him stick in legalization legislation in the next 1000 page bill that comes up and no one reads anyway!Say page 420. Zap can you say legalization end of probation. Now maybe congress will read the next bills thoroughly!
Wendy from Utah. For someone that weas buzy, you sure have time to post. I’m reading along, and every other post is from you. Sorry out of smoke.
I would love to see marijuana growing freely along side of all other plants and used as God intended-that’s a beautiful thing everyone should see and not just those greedy criminal and law thugs!So many people in douglas county and surrounding counties have seed being carried onto their properties and the misidentifying of plants bringing police to bust down house doors-tear up house and property-slice clearly marked meat packages-valuables come up missing-place of employment being called causing unemployment before any report is written-victim and victim’s family and friends being tormented constantly and at all hours by hovering helicopters-police running their mouths saying the victim is adruggie and a drug ring leader even when nothing is found and 9 panel hair tests are passed-gee what did they accomplish!!!!!! War on the beautiful people that God loves so much.Marijuana was created for us to enjoy as a plant to admire it’s beauty along with other beautiful plants and was to be used freely as God intended!!!!!!!!!!
OH YES-COMMENT # 84 HAPPENED IN MISSOURI
Hello I’m a responsible single white male with no kids. You know the guy who gets fucked out of his income taxes. The abilty to grow my own for personal use would be a nice addition to the bill, but I’m going to do it regaurdless. Leagalize Pot. No more gang or terorist ran cartells. Quit endangering americans. Thanks
BLAH BLAH BLAH 15000 AMERICANS DIE EVERY YEAR DUE TO DRUGWAR MANY THOUSANDS DIE AT THE HAND OF MURDOUSE POLICE .UNTIL THERE IS A EYE FOR A EYE .MARIJUANA WILL NEVEWR BE LEAGLE .BUT I GUARENTEE YOU IF ONE COP WAS KILLED FOR EVERY ONE INOCENT PERSON WHO WAS KILLED BY THEM .THER WOULD NOT BE EVEN THE FIRST 15000 POLICE WIDOWS BEFORE THESE LAWS WOULD CHANGE SAD BUT TRUE . THEY ONLY MURDER PEOPLE NOW BECAUSE THER IS NO JUSTICE .CRAZY WORLD AINT IT
Civil disobedience is the best form of peaceful protest while trying to stop a WAR against a PLANT! As someone whose great-grandfather grew hemp and smoked cannabis and nobody said a word. I guess being full-blooded Cherokee it was expected of him.
Marc Emery, Is a money hungrey man,And he has toled people that got the wrong seeds that if they did not stop Bitching he would let LEO,Know they were growing !How can anyone back a 2 faced man like he is ? Poster #39 if you are going to use Marc Emery as a example get your fax’s right !There are a few more but I just wanted to let people know ! And FREE the weed ! Tax it just the same as beer or cigs but just get it legail anyway we can and we can go from there ! Peace to all,God Bless the USA.
Marijuana jus that word makes me smile but to know i can get atleast a year for any amount of pot.. in my state is sickining. I think its pretty stupid that you can can buy some type of alcoholic drink go out an kill somone bc your impaired an that ppl can sit behind a desk everyday knowin that they work for a cigarette company that kills so many ppl, but when it comes to a simple plant that can replace 1000’s of lethal drugs to ridicule it sayin that if you smoke pot you will ruin your life?? thas bullshit. i believe this simple solution can solve this problem take away pos charges an cultivation charges tax it if necessary but how can a person sentence someone to prison who is using marijuana simply bc they would like to relax after a long day of work or any stressful event?? So many ppl have their head stuck up their ass its insane they can even breathe!
While I certainly agree with allowing the freedom to grow your own, until the FEDS change their tune, I would think twice about growing your own. I myself have had to FIGHT the 900lb gorilla, known as the FEDS to keep my property after it was raided by the local fuzz. Medical use was unrecognized and my home was forfeited. The only reason I was able to keep it, was after striking a deal with the US ATTORNEY for them to share the equity. Since I had beat the FEDS by 1 week and stripped most of the equity before they filed a case, they only got $ 50k (they were looking for $ 300K they thought was there). AT any rate, there is more to growing your own smoke than most realize. Do not think it can’t happen to you. I grew for 10 years before my nightmare happened. I am still trying to recover. On a happier note, there are some wonderful strains available today and that makes for some nice choices! Legalization is the ONLY way to go for the entire country but California will need to lead the way. Be vocal folks-make the legislation HEAR our DEMAND!
Since the majority want marijuana to be legal and it seems we are not being heard just maybe everyone needs to over throw the government and clean house and get things done that needs to be done and get it done right as it should be done!!!
Legalization of cannabis can only be achieved by mass numbers constantly in the “new gods” (government) face, let’s all make our voices heared. no debates, just do it. Thank you to all @ NORML but let’s face the facts; all the major pharmaceutical companies pay lobbyists extreme amounts of money to sway our polititians to keep cannabis illegal. We don’t have enough money to buy our FREEDOM. Where are the pro-pot advertisements? Ask your preacher, priest, minister or whoever teaches about GOD ” is god the creator of all things? Does god LOVE us? For centuries cannabis has been medicine,food and fiber. The new gods of man can prohibit god’s creation? What about freedom of religion? My god created everything for my benefit because he loves us. Man gods are only interested in control of men and of course MONEY. I say LEGALIZE IT! NO TAXES on food. Cannabis grows from soil; ready to use. Alcohol and all those poisonous pills have to be manufactured. Let’s change this country into a FREE country and not let the “man gods” make money on something they don’t approve of anyway.
We agree 100% with you-now we need to arrange something to get everyone together to do something like angry american says.Hey everyone-you all got some ideas to get it all rolling and then once we have things rolling our numbers will grow as we pass through-that would be quite a sight to see!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bag of weed, Bag of weed everything is better with a bag of weed. You don’t need meth you don’t need speed cause everything is better with a bag of weed. That’s a song from Family Guy. A recent pole stated that 52% of Americans think pot is safer than booze. If you notice most TV progams deal with the subject of legalization in some shape form or fashion. It is only a matter of time guys and gals. The movement is main stream. If the republicans want to ever get back in power this is one position they will have to come to the 21st centry on. The entire war on drugs is such a freakin waste of time and money. It is almost like trying to stop the wind. You can block it in a small area but it only blows past in another. As long as there is a demand there will be a supply.
We need Ron Paul to write up a bill that asks congress to allow testing of medical grade mj by reputable sources that we can all agree are fair and unbiased tohave access to med grade unfettered by the DEA and if it has medical value then reschedule appropiately!Done deal We don’t have to put them on the spot to vote pot legal, their own rules will do the job.Anybody that sees this as solid logic, please pass it on to your legislators.
Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.
Thomas Jefferson
I agree 100% with what was said in the above reading…..The government needs to back off of cannibus users b/c we are the same as they are, except we like to smoke cannibus. Like me i use it to help me calm down after a stressful day. The government has ways they can tax it, just don’t want to. If it is legal in one state it should be legal in all states. The cultivation of cannibus is just as much of a right to us as growing ur own vegatable garden. Well this is my thought on the legalization of cannibus. So thanks for the time and letting us fellow cannibus users be able to speak our minds freely about what we believe is right for us as citizens of the United States…..
ive think im going to grow again no ones going to stop me from enjoying what god gave us
To those who feel that growing decent bud is too difficult or too dangerous to do in a home garden:
I’m glad I didn’t know that. I’ve had amazing results just putting seeds in the ground and watering as needed. When this plant finds itself in a place it likes it grows with very little attention. You can, of course, worry and stew and fuss over them, but it’s not really necessary. And that complicated curing that one writer fears is also quite simple…hang the branches in a closet for several days and they’re done. Not tough. Not complicated…unless you choose to make it so…and very inexpensive.
I have smoked marijuana for about 20 years now. I have never robbed anyone for it, killed anyone in a traffic accident, or had a gun stuck in my face while buying a sack from the “Friendly Neighborhood Grower.”
9 out of 10 marijuana smokers are very hard working, laid back individuals. I believe that as a tax paying American Citizen we all have the right to come home after work and enjoy a relaxing bowl of some premo smoke.
In recorded history there is not one case of a person overdosing on Marijuana – IT has been proved to be Medically IMPOSSIBLE. Although Butane; fluid in lighters, has over 127 deaths attributed to it every year. How many thousands of people are affected negatively by the use of Alcohol or Prescription pills? More than I would care to count!
What’s up with the propaganda commercials on network television? I’m sure everyone remembers the one where a couple guys are sitting in a drive thru smoking a joint. The driver suddenly panics for whatever reason and runs over a little girl on a bicycle! Excuse me, but WTF is that all about? Has anyone here Ever heard of something so ludicris?
TO ALL MY FELLOW SMOKERS!
An ex drug interdiction officer by the name of Barry Cooper has released a set of video’s that has really pissed off a lot of people. He was an officer for 8 years and had over 800 arrest. He now has two video’s out called “Never Get Busted Again” and the 2nd “Never Get Raided Again”. I strongly urge people to watch these vids, if you can’t afford to purchase them, then search for a torrent at: http://www.btjunkie.com
He goes over transporting personal amounts of weed in your vehicle w/o getting caught, how to act during a traffic stop, including what profilers look for. What constitutes probable cause, etc.
Video #2 Never get raided covers, cultivation indoors/outdoors . How to spot an informant or undercover officer & how to sell or buy weed safely w/o attracting attention from the “Bacon Patrol”.
For Growers – For every person you tell about your garden your chances of getting caught rise by 10%. Best advice I can give is grow your own & shut the fuck up about it. Share with your close friends, but tell no one where it came from.
Don’t Criticize, Re-Legalize!
HempKnight – weed aficionado for life
I am opposed to taxing ANY medication. What next?
Cancer patients taxed on chemo and radiation treatments
would not be advocated by any organization. Why should
we advocate or approve taxing medical use of Marijuana?
It would be a BAD precedence to tax Marijuana when used
as a medicine.
Health care is a shambles in this country already. It doesn’t
need to be taxed. Health care should be supported by taxes
not used as a revenue source.
Paul McCarthy
I’m pretty positive that marijuana will be legalized at some point. When? Now that’s a different story. My only hope is that it happens in my lifetime. I’ve thought for years that it should be legalized for homegrown, personal use. I should be able to grow it in the garden with my tomatoes. It is a natural growing plant on our planet, why shouldn’t everyone be able to grow or use it without the fear of going to “The Big HOuse”?. But, I do believe that it will take HUGE action for Legalization. A Thunderous cloud of responsible marijuana users. We need a Mutiny!!!!
Until ALL consumers, producers, and sellers of Marijuana register to vote and follow up with votes against any and all politicians who have supported enforcement it WILL NOT CHANGE. It’s time to register to vote and get rid of the oppressors.
BTW BALLOTS are much cheaper than BULLETS. Get off the couch and go register to vote.
How long is it going to take for the American public that never learned from Alcohol Prohabition that illigal marijuana only benifits the organazied crime? How long is it going to take for them to realize that gangsters of the 20s to 50s learned the way to rob the American public by paying off the Washington Bozos to impose harsh penalties for growing and sharing so you will have to buy the weed that they grow with protection of the government. It’s been over 40 years that I remember. U.S. Gov. has spent over 1.2 trillion dollars to protect the interest of organized crime. When is my faith going to be restored in American people? Probably never. Because no one has the time to learn, read or try to understand what is really going on.
Please God, please bless this country with smarter people and a few honest polititions
I think every adult should have their choice, to drink alcohol, smoke cigaretts. We should have the choice of smoking cannabis. Alot of us do not like to drink alcohol or smoke cigaretts, the hang over is not worth it. and the smoking of cigaretts stinks.
I also believe cannabis smokers are more considerate.
Cannabis is also better for you and your health.
Only those greedy ones want this plant to be illegal so that they can get rich while the good people are being terrorized just like the alcohol prohibition!God created this plant to be grown and used freely by his beautiful people so go ahead and free God’s beautiful plant!Yes marijuana is a plant and needs to be freed and be used in so many ways to benefit us as intended=LEGALIZE THAT BEAUTIFUL AND USEFUL PLANT!!!!!!!!
Why is a drug that is humanly impossible to die from a Schedule I Drug? It is really humanly impossible to overdose on tetrahydrocannibinol, it would require you to smoke 1500 pounds of marijuna within 14 minutes. I’ve smoked a lot of pot but I’d say that I couldn’t even do that, because it’s impossible.
As long as big money is spent by the gangsters to keep pot illigal, there will be many less than honest politicians to run with it and bring the country to total ruins if need be.
don said I’ve been growing 30 years and yes schizophrenia
is influenced by drugs and alcohol schizophrenic should not smoke cannabis or drink alcohol law makes it impossible to educate the public about the lies
being told yes we are paranoid you would be to if you live with neighbours dob you in to cops that destroy
families and communities all in the prohibition
serve and protect how I my self am pacified with nice
smoke legalise it and have a BETTER world for us all
it will hatten
don said I’ve been growing 30 years and yes schizophrenia
is influenced by drugs and alcohol schizophrenic should not smoke cannabis or drink alcohol law makes it impossible to educate the public about the lies
being told yes we are paranoid you would be to if you live with neighbours dob you in to cops that destroy
families and communities all in the prohibition
serve and protect how I my self am pacified with nice
smoke legalise it and have a BETTER world for us all
it will hatten
INTELLIGENCE
God designed the cannabisplant,
a very beautifull creation.
Man made whiskey and rum,
which is poison-destillation.
The devil invented the cigarette,
and also heroine, crack and crystal-meth.
So don”t be stupid lad.
Just busted for cultivating four plants in Boise, Idaho. Not a place to get caught growing, my loser neighbor went out of his Morman-asses way to call the cops on me, dont you have something better to do. Anyway, I’m facing up to five years in prison for a couple ounces of personal weed. I;m not a dealer. I go to BSU and mind my own business. Now my financial assistance is at stake, and my voting rights, but this shit government expects to continue to pay taxes to a system that has turned its back on me. “Its still we the people right”
Beautifu! Didn’t even know you guys existed till now. This leagalazation is long over do. Would solve many of this countries woe’s. Unfortunately, I think our government is so corrupt. I beleive there are too many people in the higher ups that are profiting big time with the laws just the way they are. Don’t think it’s gonna happen real soon but i think its inevidable.
I’m all for the legalization of marijuana. its time to change the laws about smoking a plant that’s less harmful to you then alcohol and tobacco which are very much legal. i think we should be able to grow our own plants without any worry’s of being taken of to prison. It’s time to change history of marijuana in our country and change a law that was mad without any further research on the plant.
LEGALIZE IT
Your body produces and stores the neurotransmitter ANANDAMIDE. The only way to release this natural “happiness-substance” is by using cannabis.
The body seems to have a unlimited source of it.
So to pursuit my happiness,its needed that cannabis can be grown -by myselves- and used.
(The only other substance with -only a very little bit- of anandamide is cacao, but from this source it can not be stored.)
The permittance for growing cannabis is often questioned by people who base their opinions on their interpretation of the biblebook GENESIS.
They ‘see’ the apple (which the snake was offering to Eve)as a ‘forbidden fruit’ and as a way to divide -for that reason- the plants on planet earth in legal or illegal ones.
But if I read well, the apple(tree)wasn’t the problem.
Adam and Eve were sent away from paradise because God wouldn’t allow them to eat the fruit from the TREE OF LIFE anymore, after they have eaten from the appletree,to prevent them becomming ‘immortal’ and/or ‘equal to Him’.
And this tree of life is only growing in paradise. Maybe with the exception to eat from it’s fruit for Methusalems family).
Other trees in paradise are according to Genesis: the ‘tree with the 12 fruits’ and the figtree.
Further up in that book it states that God give man all seedbearing plants to live from and that those seeds should be yielded after it’s kind.
So hempplants with other hempplants, poppyseed should be sawn next to other poppyseeds.
God has not outlawed any seed or plant on planet earth, but in contrarary gave instructions to grow them. The beloved cannabis/hempplant would be legal anyway in His vision, I think:
For anybody who can handle this plant, but not for
Adam and Eve, who were to eager to get another special plant and it’s fruits just for their own profit.).
The cannabisplant (kaneh bosm or -bosh in the bible, which is not calamus!,a wrongly translation of it)is used for the OINTMENT (in oldgreek christos),a holy sacrament for Christians.
1 gram of unpressed wet hasj with olive-oil rubbed in the skin of your underarms, already gives a light ointment-effect.
This sacrament is ignored or refused to give, by most Christian religions, because of THEIR misinterpretations of the book Genesis and other books from the bibles.
Because not many people read the bibles carefully.
We (the cannabis-consumers and -growers, recreational and/or medical)have to suffer under their prohibitionistic ideas, based on their dogma’s. Pretending they have knowledge of ‘good and evil’.
themselves(with or without Godgiven plants).
Relegalize the hemp/cannabisplant now and get rid of misinterpretations of e.g.the book Genesis, which lead to unchristian laws against cannabis/hempplants and even to a ‘war on drugs-consumers’, who are Christians themselves too, a lot of times.
And remember, when cannabis is legal again, don’t sell it in the tempel, because Jesus will probably send someone to get them sellers out, just as He did with the moneychangers overthere!
And no taxation on cannabis used for ointments too.
It’s a religious right.
http://www.justin.tv/toiletbug3#r=PJnfDpg~&s=li, check out this video. this is what im talkin about, too many corrupt agency’s and politicians profiting from illegal drugs. leaglize it and they lose their bread n butter. Watch live video from Planet Weed! on Justin.tv. if the first link dont work, try this 1.
Martin Luther King wrote that their is 3 ways to handle these types of situations. First is a by Violence, second is Do Nothing, and the third is Non Violent. Why not let the people vote on this, put it on the ballot next Presedential Election, (I would definitely go door to door to solicit votes)we could make history with the biggest turnout ever. Everyone of us needs to send an email or make a phone call to every Elected Official in office and tell them we want to Legalize about every week. If we all do this, they will eventually be overwhelmed and tired of having to address the issue on a one to one basis. When they are tired of dealing with this, will be when they Legalize because they have had enough of aggravation. Let’s try it, Norml has the connections to our State and Federal Officials. Good Luck, I will be working on it from South GA.
legalize, decriminalize, cultivate. they all work for me. I will be in contact with my senator.
I agree with Buckle Post #123. However, I think that we should write in the words “Legalize Marijuana” on our ballots if it is not printed anywhere. We have the RIGHT to be counted.
Spread the word and vote in Nov.
As it seems ,’republican’ government is holding us back: (FAQ question 12; 161 ‘for’, 15 rep./128 dem.),yet I know republican voters that endulge regularly.I say call out to your rep. officers (before nov.) and threaten to vote democrate this election ,and tell them why. See if you dont turn some heads!
Also, on the state by state chart it shows D.C. has legalized medical M.J.?? Isn’t this the home of the same F.D.L.E.that went to Calf. to over ride ‘their’ state law? Did i miss something!?
I like pot. I need pot to eat. 33 years old 99lbs. would be less if it wernt for weed. all of wv politicians are drunks some with dui’s. wv will be the last state to do any reform. our elected officials spend millions bashing each other on tv to win a vote. It was so bad this time that i couldnt vote because I had no clue what their opinions are due to name calling. anyway wv politicians are really miseducated on pot and belive that it is a horrible plant and it is worse than alcohol. I never seen a man beat his wife for being stoned. but everyday you can see the evil alcohol unleashed on ppl. watching a family fall apart now cause of liquor. but weed is worse tenfold. I just want to not be ashamed or tell everyone I have allergies.
Has anyone ever proposed (through initiative or otherwise) that every registered voter have the right to grow six marijuana plants at his/her registration address, and the right to use the fruits thereof at the registration address, without paying fees or taxes, with the understanding that such a measure does not grant the right to transport or sell marijuana, or to use marijuana at any other location?
Peter that sounds like a great idea, and I would like to see the number of plants increased to 12.
I have been smoking weed since I was 20 years old. I am now 32. I have earned a college degree, worked in corporate america, and now have had my own business for the past 5 years. I have never had a DUI or DWI…but have been driving while high and while possessing weed on a daily basis. I am so afraid that one day, I will be pulled over and busted for a joint and it will ruin my career, reputation, and marriage. I live in fear of this every day. Its so not fair. I have responisbly used weed for 12 years daily, yet any day I could be nailed. Just not fair. Please legalize it….I can be used as a case study.
Here is something I found out not too long ago…….Marijuana is already legal as it was never lawfully prohibited.As evidenced by the 18th amendment ,government requires constitutional amendment to aquire the authority of prohibition ,as evidenced by the 21st amendment repealing the 18th,government has no authority to prohibit anything any longer.Alcohol was the only substance government sought to prohibit,while marijuana existed in 1919 just like it does today.It is the very unlawful prohibition of marijuana that is criminal and it is government that is guilty,not the people!!!
I have been holding out hope for ten years, that NORML would succeed in providing a voice to the many responsible adults who long to indulge (with moderation) in marijuana use, without mistakenly being viewed as a detriment to the welfare of this great nation.
Now I just want to ask of those who share my sentiment, to be cautious of the image put forth to others who might not have positive views on the use of marijuana. We are faced with a somewhat delicate situation and must take extra care to be recognized as upstanding citizens, lest we be viewed as being insensitive to the results of our actions.
In other words, refraining from driving under the influence, and avoiding other situations that present an element of danger, isn’t always enough. We have to have our best foot forward if we are going to prove what we know to those who don’t see it.
This is such an amazing entry and I love to read more of it so that I will be able to look over and have it as an inspiration for further articles to write about when it comes to updates on medical marijuana and other computer related stuffs and it’s pros and cons too. I do hope you will get to visit our official website and let us know what you think about it. Here is the link
http://www.nvnewswire.com/
Thanks ahead 🙂
im doin a public policy project for my participation in govt class and im doin it on the legalization of marijuana. my teacher sugested that i used this site to gain some ideas for my project and i hope it does help me out a bit. and with that easily said i do use marijuana usually and am all for the legalization of it.
@ Roach-punch up marijuana legalization on your computer for other sources.Good luck and have fun collecting the knowledge -very happy to see you doing this!
I believe that it is within our god given right to smoke what we want and when we want..I use it to ease my pain. and I shouldn’t be concerned at this point in time what the hell the government says I can and can’t do. So arrest me if you haven’t anything better to do..
the freedom to grow for yourself is of the highest importance. while i would love to be able to go to the corner store and buy a pack of “greens”, i don’t like the idea of being forced to buy something i want and or need from the corporate structure. on that note, i am ASHAMED of the medical community in california who were ultimately responsible for voting down legalization for personal use in cali. by voting against personal use and manufacture they are saying that they want us to have to buy from them through the used and abused medical pot industry, meaning they have the monopoly. they are becoming the corporate greed mongers they used to despise. you should be ashamed of yourselves and we are ashamed of you. money ruins EVERYTHING.
I am 64 years old and I think Cannabis is a poison,
a poison to the powers that be because they do not fully know the consequences of legalization.
The powers that be are afraid of it and so are the their corporate masters.
Richard Lee of Oaksterdam University in Oakland Ca., the man resonsible for getting Cannabis on the CA.ballot to full legalization is in a wheelchair and his Republican mother who is a federal goverment official did not like him using Pot. However, when she saw the good it was doing him she was somewhat amazed and became pro-Cannibis. That is the answer people, educate the goverment and Congress first because the good people at DEA supression central will not agree to losing their tenure. We all know how deluded these officials are and that is I believe the path to enlightenment and change. God bless us all and God enlighten the knucleheads in Government.
I am so excited about all these NORML,I will call you guys a peaceful Hero. All I can say about marijuana,it is a source of Peace for the normal people. These should be a big part of Democracy for the Country like USA!!! I believe Americans are united when it comes to bravery, but it should be united with Peace and Democracy. So, if we should march to the White House, I’ll be with you guys. Once again thank you a quadrople times for your efforts NORML !!!!!
I now completely understand your mission statement. For years you’ve been there, but I never really knew what you did, what you stood for, goals, other than “legalize marijuana”.
So well said and I sent in my first donation since several years ago. Only $35, but if we all do that, I know it will help you help us.
Thanks for your help!
c’mon fed reps,get off your asses and do what’s right legalize cannabis now!
The President had puffed, Some have puffed and lied. All the declaration of Independence signed it, (Must have been a stoner party or no one would have agreed their death Warrants. Stop the hypocrisy. Leave t grow free. All the argument is about how to tax it. STOP THE LIES. END THE WARS. LET IT GROW FREE !
What i would like to know is how the hell can medical use be legail in some states and not every state? I live in ky and should have the same wrights as other states do.you should also.So why are not ower states not letting us grow ower own like other states do. WE ARE BEING FUCKED OVER LET ALL STATES GROW OR SHOUT THEM ALL DOWN FOR WE WOUNT THE SAME WRIGHTS.WE all should quite ower jobs and take ower famileys and go to the closes state that lets you grow your own weed for medican and NOT WORK FOR 30 DAYS AND SINE UP ON EVERY FREE PROGRAM IN THAT STATE AND I BET IF WE DID THAT IN LESS THEN 30 DAYS EVERY STATE COULD GROW THERE OWN.long as we just talk about it and do nothing we will always get fucked while other states grow and laugh there ass off as us.look at the free cash them states are makeing while we starve and all we wount is to grow some to smoke.
Its natural…. It was put on this earth By GOD….. Im gonna smoke it!!! with or without the governments permission…thank you NORML. Besides…. It truely helps my amputation nerve pain… and my fibromyalgia, It reduces stress which is the main reason for fibro flare ups!!! I am a responsible user… over 35 and I think Im old enuff to make my own decisions!!!!!!
I live in louisiana I am sick of the war on free people
The puppeteers do not have our best interest in mind. SAY TO TO TAXING MARIJUANA ! SAY NO TO BAIL OUTS AND THE MILITARY MACHINE. CUT FOREIGN AIDE TO A 1/10th OF WHAT WE GIVE. SAY NO TO THE FED, FDA AND ALL THOSE DOCTORS THAT GET KICK BACKS FOR PEDDLING THEIR MEDS. SHUT DOWN ALL FOREIGN BASES! LEAVE US ALONE TO DEAL WITH OUR OWN CHRONIC PAIN ! TO AGREE TO ALLOW US TO HAVE MARIJUANA ONLY IF IT GETS TAXED SAYS MORE ABOUT OUR LAW MAKERS THAN WE CAN SAY ! ENOUGH !