Ohio: Recent Polls Show Voters Split On Issue 3

vote_keyboard Ohioans will decide next Tuesday on Issue 3, the Marijuana Legalization Amendment, and recent polls indicate that voters are evenly divided on the issue.

Bowling Green State University polling data released late last week finds 44 percent of respondents supporting the measure and 43 percent opposing it. Thirteen percent of respondents are undecided.

By contrast, the Bowling Green poll reports that 56 percent of respondents favor Issue 2, a counter-measure placed on the ballot by state lawmakers to prohibit state regulators from permitting the limited production of “any Schedule I controlled substance.”

A separate poll, conducted by the University of Akron, also reports that voters are split on Issue 3, with 46 percent of respondents favoring the measure and 46 percent opposing it. The poll reports that voters are far more informed about Issue 3 than other ballot issues, including Issue 2, which voters back by a margin of 40 percent to 28 percent (with 32 percent undecided).

The latest polling data differs from survey data released earlier this month by WKYC/Kent State Polling, which reported that 56 percent of voters backed Issue 3.

If both competing measures (Issue 3 and Issue 2) are passed by voters, it will likely be up to the courts to decide which initiative takes precedence.

63 thoughts

  1. No matter where you stand on Issue 3, Issue 2 needs to be a no vote. It will kill ANY other initiative. We will not have legalization in Ohio if it passes.
    As for me, and 90% of those I encounter are for legalization. YES ON 3!!

  2. Which Issue does NORML endorse?

    [Editor’s note: NORML’s board of directors voted in early September to endorse #3/oppose #2 in Ohio.]

  3. Let’s hope that issue 2 will not pass, because that might prevent any further legalization initiatives in Ohio until Cannabis is rescheduled, and it might also encorage our opponents to come up with similar initiatives in other statews that has not already legalied.
    This could possibly lead to a temporarily major setback for further Cannabis legalization.

  4. i did my voting today.please get out and vote for issue 3 arent you people tired of getting in trouble for pot even if you dont like issue 3 support it so the prohibitionists dont win if this fails we wont see it legalized in ohio for many years.at the least vote no on issue 2 im so tired of hearing the politicians and police say how terrible things will be if its legalized.for those worried about a monopoly grow your own.

  5. You got to be an idiot, a backwoods home-schooled know-nothing loser to be opposed to keeping the world’s safest drug illegal. Those people probably never even tried it! The drug war is lost. We won it and will continue to do so until all our demands are met. Dead, your drug war’s dead! Fools! Your drug war’s dead. Useless, anti-pot votes of lies. Behold, Flower-power’s rise! As you can see by that voting against marijuana is a wasted vote that just further drags things out of getting God’s green herb to people’s lips. Thank you, thank you.

  6. If stalled by courtsnarl, maybe we should try petitioning the lawmakers to institute one vital program from it: the 4-plant 8-0z grow permit for $50, giving practicianers, nation and political candidates a program in progress to examine during the next year, and when/if it works well, further improvement increments would be readily approved.

    There is presently a surge of interest in urban gardening, both the (land) Plot (outside) and the (flower) Pot (indoors). For children learning direct hands-on truths about biodiversity through cause-effect relationships with young living plants helps pre-immunize them against pathologies like DCS Disgusting Combustion $moking (6,000,000 deaths a year when you can Vape instead), contradicting fears that raising cannabis (among other species) on family property would lead to any harmful “addiction” or “overdose” effect being cited against further barrier-reduction.

  7. I love this site I’ve been saying all this about marijuana for years. Thank you all so much for what you are doing, bringing the truth out there. Keep it up you have my support ?

  8. Ohio,
    PLEASE don’t screw this up!!!
    [the eastern Midwest needs
    cannabis RE-legalization and a SAFER alternative
    to alcohol and prescription pain relievers /
    tranquilizers / psyche-meds / anticonvulsants…]

    Unfortunately, early voting ALREADY
    began during first week of October,
    PRIOR to more detailed stories and reports
    about the full nature of ISSUE #2’s
    future freedom-limiting “provisions” / clauses,

    [doesn’t JUST prevent “monopolies” / oligarchies,
    it ALSO forbids new / future legalization initiatives!].
    – –
    If you haven’t voted yet…

    NO on #2
    (Don’t let Ohio legislators monkey-wrench / kill the initiative process!)

    YES on #3
    (RE-Legalize it ALREADY!!! Why wait any longer!?!?!)

  9. So I was reading over the initiative’s text and have a couple of questions.
    1. Issue 3 has a severability Claus, which states that if any part is not compliant with state law, that part is taken away and the rest stands. Since issue 2 is written to prevent “monopolies” from being put into the state constitution, wouldn’t it stand to reason that open license spots be added outside of the designated ten to accommodate issue 2?
    2. Will we be able to use the B-words (bowl and bong) inside stores that are selling them?

  10. Okay, I thought of another. For the ones who purchase a home-grow license (I plan to be the first on my block to get one), how will the control board assure you’re staying compliant? Will they rely on whistle-blowers, or will they have the right to inspect your garden whenever they feel like it?

  11. Question

    I was researching Issue 3 here:
    http://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative,_Issue_3_%282015%29

    and I found that there are some stating their opposition with points such as is following…

    *****
    The Question is
    IS all of this wording regarding who can sell, (the question of MONOPOLY or not),
    really critical to have in the proposed legislature?

    IF 3 fails, can it be replaced with a better attempt that won’t have pro-legalization people against it for subset arguments?
    *****

    Thomas Suddes, a member of the editorial board for The Plain Dealer, criticized the initiative for seeking to monopolize marijuana production. He contended that such action was not in the spirit of the Ohio Constitution. He argued:[29]
    “ The initiative process was created to help Ohio voters bypass special interests who had chokeholds on state government.

    With religious zeal, reformers at Ohio’s 1912 constitutional convention praised the initiative and referendum concepts.

    The convention president, Herbert S. Bigelow, a Cincinnati minister, emphatically hailed the two concepts: ‘Oh! My friends, we are striking down tyranny,’ Bigelow told delegates. ‘We are forging the greatest tools democracy ever had. We are building grander institutions for freedom and for humanity than the world has ever known.’

    That was a reach. This [initiative] isn’t: The last thing Ohio reformers wanted was an Ohio Constitution that could be manipulated to favor the few at the expense of the many.[6]

    [Editor’s note: The word ‘monopoly’ is misapplied when discussing the ten cannabis producers of cannabis, who can self-divide their locations to accommodate many more cannabis producers (some of whom will specialize in ‘medical grade’ cannabis and industrial hemp)…and when reviewing the over 1,000 retail outlets envisaged by the initiative.

    >IF 3 fails, can it be replaced with a better attempt that won’t have pro-legalization people against it for subset arguments?

    Possibly, but with the last cannabis law reforms happening in Ohio in the late 70s, voters in Ohio might have to wait another 30 years for reform efforts to heat up again to this degree in the state.]

  12. No matter what one thinks of the wisdom of rewarding such naked crony capitalism I believe Issue 3 is a poor way to legalize.

    The restriction that all grows be indoor is foolish and will raise cost to the consumer while insuring the most energy inefficient, pesticide laden product is the only thing available in Ohio.

    Limiting production to 10 grow areas that are already closely held will ensure a greater percentage of early failures with less opportunity to “learn” their way out of the early disasters that mark all movements into large scale production.This will significantly raise cost to the consumer even without the “crony tax” that will be applied.
    Finally it is just a fact that a smaller number of entrenched interests will be less innovative and thus Ohio will trail other markets with a larger more entrepreneurial group of producers and processors.
    I,personally, would prefer not to reward naked cronyism but more than that I would vote against the great flaws in the underlying structure of this law.

    [Editor’s note: Cannabis in CO (and numerous other states) has to be cultivated indoors…and the problem with this is…what? There are hundreds of excellent strains available in CO at retail for consumers and patients, that is now generating tens of millions in taxes for the state annually.

    Cannabis, like alcohol and tobacco products are going to be taxed at ‘vice’ levels, which should be of no surprise.

    Voting no on #3 keeps the immorality and waste of human resources/lives under prohibition in OH going for likely years, if not decades to come.

    Voting no on #3 in Ohio keeps the narcocracy in place.]

  13. This is extremely depressing. Come on Ohio you could turn the whole tide. Has the whole monopoly fear held back that much support? Polling was well positive not long ago.

  14. Have to wonder if NORML came out strong enough, early enough to win this. Politicians will no doubt spin a loss into prohibition fervor.

    [Editor’s note: Maybe the better question is why are drug policy groups like DPA, MPP and ASA not at all supporting the cannabis prohibition-ending ballot initiative in OH, not whether NORML (or the ACLU, who also supports #3) has done enough (as the organization took a clear advocacy position)?]

  15. To the editor, that’s fair enough, I just only follow NORML. I’m stuck in an illegal state and loathe the legalization supporters who probably already have their weed, NOW slowing progress because it doesn’t fit in their self righteous box. I have developing chronic neck pain, and onset inflammatory bowel disorder, not just IBS. Also spasms from gall bladder removal. I cannot escape my current situation to attempt cannabis treatment. However even decriminilization would give me a window to self medicate. Ohio would be undeniable for politicians, but it could also be a twisted into more “wait and see” and possibly cripple Ohios chances.

  16. I have lived in Ohio for a couple years now.

    This state is a joke anyways. Its propped up as this giant state at the center of the US but in reality most of the people I’ve met here are either low life gangsters or 8-5 workers obsessed with football.

  17. Reading more into Issue 2 and 3…. I have issue with the fact Issue 3 permits 10 groups to monopolize the production of marijuana….first question that comes to mind is How long will these 10 groups tie up the production? What happens when another group comes along and wants to be part of the production? Will they not be permitted? Don’t get me wrong, I think it should be legal and have for many years but I also think the production should NOT be limited solely to 10 farms/groups – EVERYONE who has an interest and the financial backing should be able to cash in on it’s wealth…

    [Editor’s note: A vote against #3 is a vote to extend cannabis prohibition in the state of Ohio likely for years to come. The concern about these non-monopolies (there are ten licenses, but numerous locations that can be leased under a license, meaning there will be many more than 10 cultivators in OH under legalization, compared to zero today and the immorality of prohibition as rule of law) don’t negate the need to end cannabis prohibition in OH as soon as possible, like November 3rd.

    There are already cannabis policy reform models around the country where there are non-free market cultivation schemes (ME, MA, CT, VT, NH, RI, NY, NJ, DE, MD, DC, IL, NM…) where there is now access to cannabis products, which is far better and humane than keeping prohibition in place wishing and hoping for ideal cannabis laws.

    Are these laws perfect? No. No law or policy is perfect? Are they better than prohibition? Self-evidently, yes!

    Vote yes on #3 in OH, end prohibition.

    Vote no on #3 in OH, the waste, state violence and immorality of prohibition will keep chugging along unabated, maybe for years to come.

    Is this really that tough of a choice?]

  18. And I also question, IF Issue 2 passes, don’t you think that marijuana legalization will happen anyway some way some how? It’s going to happen someday but putting the limitations on it (i.e. these 10 farms) isn’t exactly the kind of legalization I thought it was going to be…. does that make sense? 🙂

    [Editor’s note: If past is prologue in OH, it appears that cannabis law reform in OH is so infrequent (the last time OH’s had substantive change of cannabis laws was in 1978) if voters don’t approve #3, it could well be years to decades before the issue is revisited in the state.

    Voting no on #3 in hopes of achieving ‘exactly the kind of legalization I thought it was going to be’ is a vote to extend prohibition in hopes of something–an idealized cannabis law–maybe happening.]

  19. I am hoping with everything else that is going on in Marijuana reform, that 2 is ruled unconstitutional. I hope that 3 passes, as it would help PA politicians to pass the forgotten bill here in PA. Yes we have a pending bill, but it isn’t going anyplace right now.

    If Canada passes it, it might be enough incentive for them to pass something at a federal level here in the US. So Ohio would look dumb if they passed number 2.

    So I very much hope that number 3 passes.

  20. I agree with the editor that other organizations have not done enough to help NORML ensure this legislation passes. However, the oligarchy aspect is this Bill may very well be the reason does not pass… after reading another blog on this website I discovered that almost all states operate with an oligarchy respective to marijuana through the high cost of obtaining a license. When you combine the oligarchy, plus the fact this is not a presidential election year, you can’t get the sense that this bill faces unnecessary hurdles. Take your time limited the oligarchy to 7 or 10 years enough for them to get a lock on the market and make a happy profit, instead of a perpetual oligarchy.

  21. The last sentence in that did not come out correctly due to voice recognition issues, but hopefully everyone gets the jest of what I was saying. Thanks to the NORML staff for everything they do for this movement.

  22. good point norml thanx for supporting issue 3 its our only chance for legalization unless the feds legalize it ha ha thye wont but i did email mpp and asked why they wernt supporting issue 3 and of course they didnt reply dont you people who are against it and the orgaanizations who dont support it that if this fails we are doomed for many years. i personally could care less about it being called a monopoly as long as its legalized

  23. it just goes to show that the people who put #2 on the ballot, almost as soon as #3 was cleared! just wonder who that was? ijust figure that was what the “against” people wanted! but i can’t figure where the heck the stats are coming from! to all who toke,vape,dap, vote! i’m 62 and i found a long time ago that it’s harmless for the majority of people who partake and as far as giving it away to kids, what a hoot! any one i ever met found it to expensive to waste!

  24. I hope and pray that this passes everyone complains about a monopoly and says not to vote for it the reality of it is that what is the alternative? Go to JAIL thats right Criminal record? Felonies? Trafficking? Everyone that says no on 3 is a dumb ass because if it does not pass then people will keep getting arrested and going to jail and paying fines and not getting jobs?

    NO on 2
    YES ON 3

    http://www.stonerproofcases.com

  25. re:
    “””
    Lenny says:
    Have to wonder if NORML came out strong enough, early enough to win this. Politicians will no doubt spin a loss into prohibition fervor.

    [Editor’s note: Maybe the better question is why are drug policy groups like DPA, MPP and ASA not at all supporting the cannabis prohibition-ending ballot initiative in OH, not whether NORML (or the ACLU, who also supports #3) has done enough (as the organization took a clear advocacy position)?]

    “””

    NORML has done sh!tloads.

    ‘strong enough’ –
    finesse, the proper application of force, has been demonstrated here.

    ‘early enough’ – NORML also thoroughly investigated this, alternative measures available, as well as the history of previous attempts in various demographic regions, etc.

    THIS HAS BEEN WELL RESEARCHED
    and Team NORML has represented us all
    EXTREMELY WELL.

    (I appreciate your questions-
    but I do encourage a more thoughtful tone…)

    ***

    I, for one, am exceedingly thankful to NORML.

    (harumph! harumph!)

  26. One does get a feel for just how fragile the notion of reform is in the public mind.

    One prohibitionists zealot in the right position of power could mire reform efforts for the next 30 years–precluding reform in my lifetime. $Billions more wasted enforcing nonsensical laws that make no one safer and make the government an enemy of us all.

  27. Issue 2 falsely claims the proposed marijuana legalization initiative violates Ohio law against monopolies, when it is not proposing a monopoly, but an oligopoly (few, in this case, initially 10 – not one), but the same state legislators had no problem violating state law against such things when in 2009 they allowed two entities, Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert and Penn National Gaming, the exclusive right to build four casinos in the state, including one in Columbus, so that no one else can ever benefit financially from legal gambling in Ohio.

    Anti-marijuana television ads are also falsely claiming marijuana will be marketed in Ohio to be attractive to children when the pro-legalization initiative says specifically it will be ” ensuring that the products are not manufactured, packaged or advertised in ways that create a substantial risk of attractiveness to children”. Ironically, it is only these anti-marijuana TV ads that are currently, or ever will be, advertising marijuana infused candy for children in Ohio.

    Vote YES on Issue 3 to legalize marijuana for adults over age 21 and medical patients in need of it.

    Vote NO on Issue 2 – it is a pack of hypocritical lies designed solely to nullify the passing of Issue 3, and intends to continue to DENY medical marijuana treatment to the many who suffer from seizure disorders, nervous system disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, and anxiety disorders in dire need of it, as no other substances are available to treat these disorders in such a safe and effective manner.

  28. To answer Vickia52’s question:

    The deceptive Issue 2 was devised and introduced by House Representatives Ryan Smith (Republican-93) and Michael F. Curtin (Democrat-17).

    Issue 2’s wording means it could also affect any future constitutional amendments dealing with tax rates.

    Democrat Michael F. Curtin and Republican Ryan Smith were behind the lies in Issue 2. Everyone VOTE AGAINST THEM BOTH in 2016 when they come up again for re-election.

    I generally vote Democrat, but as far as I’m concerned it’s curtains for Curtin. That Issue 2 could also affect future tax rate proposals shows they’re in this for the money. They have deliberately lied in their initiative about a monopoly being proposed, and prove neither of them care about the health or the safety of any Ohioans.

    “Issue 2 would change Ohio’s constitution to prohibit specifying tax rates and granting licenses in future amendments. But critics and legal experts say because the amendment’s language is unclear, Issue 2 could jeopardize future citizen initiatives.”

    Senator Michael Skindall said lawmakers should NOT have approved the proposal of Issue 2 because “lawmakers shouldn’t have approved language that left so many unanswered questions”.

    “The legislature is not in charge of putting ambiguous constitutional amendments before the voters,” Skindell said. “We’re supposed to put clear and concise constitutional amendments before the voters.”

    See http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2015/09/critics_say_issue_2_could_bloc.html

    Vote YES on Issue 3 to legalize marijuana for adults over age 21 and medical patients in need of it.

    Vote NO on Issue 2 – it is a pack of hypocritical lies designed solely to nullify the passing of Issue 3, and intends to continue to DENY medical marijuana treatment to the many who suffer from seizure disorders, nervous system disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, and anxiety disorders in dire need of it, as no other substances are available to treat these disorders in such a safe and effective manner.

  29. State legislators had no problem with an oligopoly (limited to a few instead of one for a monopoly) in 2009 when they allowed two entities, Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert and Penn National Gaming, the exclusive right to build four casinos in the state, including one in Columbus, so that no one else can ever benefit financially from legalized gambling in Ohio.

    If you think marijuana legalization will generate a lot of money, legalized gambling in Ohio is a goldmine in comparison, and ONLY Cleveland Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert and Penn National Gaming will EVER benefit from legalized gambling in Ohio thanks to these biased legislators.

    Vote YES on Issue 3 to finally legalize marijuana in Ohio after many, many decades of unfair prohibition. This could be your last chance during your lifetimes to legalize marijuana for adults age 21 and older and medical marijuana for those in dire need of it in Ohio.

    Vote NO on deceptive Issue 2.

    And put the illegal marijuana drug dealers out of business and ensure the safety and health of Ohioans once and for all.

  30. If this doesn’t pass, Ohio is officially the stupidest state in the union. We have Canada legalizing within a year to the north’ 4 more states vote in 2016 election to the east and possibly 4 more in the west. It will be like shooting ones self in the foot! By the time Ohio legalizes after a failed 2015 vote it will be too late to gain any jobs, taxes or any benefits. The feds will legalize before Ohio. In other words if this fails, it will be far to long for this old man to wait for any movement here in Ohio to get their shit together and pass something. Ill have to move, I cant wait years, I cant, please Ohio get out and vote, we just need numbers we can do this.

  31. Vote no on 2 and on 3. 2 is a given no. Issue 3 is a trap that only makes it legal for the 10 already made millionaires to become billionaires. Nobody else will be allowed to get a license to distribute and sell but those 10 people’s businesses. This would create a legal monopoly. VOTE NO ON ISSUE 3.

    [Editor’s note: There will not be only ten producers of cannabis in Ohio. There will be numerous, maybe hundreds of ‘sub-licensees’ (who’ll be paying the ten original license holders, in fact providing them lots of revenue…no risk, no reward), there will be over a thousand outlets.

    Monopoly? Hardly.]

  32. I just saw Harry Smith on MSNBC talking about the Denver Republican debate bringing up cannabis prohibition. He supposes candidates will throw red meat their base and be outright against adult recreational, with a small window for some kind of more restrictive medical marijuana than what we have now.

    He mentioned that Ohio can go either way, although 58% nationally are for legalization.

    I’m thinking the Republican candidates might advise against legalization in Ohio (Christie) and state that they’ll enforce the federal prohibition even in states that have legalized adult recreational, even in medical marijuana states in which a new Republican president views as having medical marijuana laws that are not restrictive enough.

    The problem with that position is that California and a bunch of other states have outright adult legalization in the works. Ever more and more states will be in the throes of adult recreational legalization whilst such a president would have to spend ever increasing federal dollars to enforce federal cannabis prohibition in states that have refused to enforce it for the feds.

    Whoever is president under that kind of momentum to legalize surely can’t expect to find public support for spending federal money that way. I’m thinking a prohibitionist president will be forced to flip-flop on the issue, even if kicking and screaming at Congress for legalizing cannabis. The prohibitionist politician will have to “evolve” instead of calling it flip-flopping or whatever, like they’re stance on cannabis has been consistent their whole career.

    If fact, I don’t want prohibitionist politicians to be consistent and continue to promote prohibition. I want them to change their positions and become legalizers.

    No one else wants to pay more in taxes except for the cannabis community. Item: In Pennsylvania the Republicans don’t want to tax shale gas extraction to fill budget holes.

    Pennsylvania Republicans–at least in the House–don’t have a way to raise a steady revenue stream. To them I say, it’s money you didn’t have before, and the people actually want to pay taxes so you’re not pissing off anybody else raising their taxes. So why don’t you just shut the f*** up and either legalize or get out of the way!

    They’re all for gambling, want to legalize fantasy sports gambling online by running the sites through Pennsylvania casinos. Keno machines in bars and restaurants.

    I’m looking for Kenney to become mayor of Philly. If Kenney could work things out with the Democratic governor, Tom Wolf, so that Philly could legalize adult recreational, and Wolf would keep the pack off of things, you know, call of the dawgz, you got something there, you know, because the medical legislation is, once again, stuck in limbo.

    Pennsylvania ought to be smart and pass the medical cannabis to go into effect 6 months to a year before EITHER adult recreational goes into effect OR the medical cannabis law requires a vote 6 months to a year on legalizing adult recreational every single year.

    I mean, if the legalize medical while in the same law create a merged state bureaucracy that will also handle adult recreational planned to go into effect 6 months or a year after medical goes into effect.

    Legalization.

    Or, go for the medical legalization law calling for a yearly vote on adult recreational on the anniversary of medical legalization going into effect. Why? Because the prohibitionist politicians like those currently in Harrisburg are a bit too damn good at stalling legalization legislation to prevent it from actually getting to the floor for a vote.

    I really hope and pray that Ohio gets legalization. It’s a safe bet to say that millions of dollars of Pennsylvania money will be flowing over to Ohio in a steady stream, money that Pennsylvania could be getting. They might as well pick one of my options, and just go for that money grab. Work in some money for schools in their like Colorado or some improvement over the way Colorado does it, because state Republicans just keep complaining about having to increase funding for pensions, public services/social services, public education, claiming Democrats are in the pockets of unions. Well, what about Republican politicians who are in the pockets of the prison unions, police unions, and private prison industry?! If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black.

    Hell, Harry Smith reported you’d be hard pressed to find warehouse space in Denver and all of Denver County because cannabis is fueling the economy. Jobs, jobs, jobs.

    Go for it, Pennsylvania! Legalize!

  33. The news says greater early voter returns than norml. I was hoping the distant screeching was from rusty closet doors.

  34. Hopefully the vote swings the way of legalization! I feel that the more informed people are, the more likely that 3 will pass!

  35. Ohio would force Presidential candidates to acknowledge 58% legalization support. Failure and they’ll just say CO, WA, and CA are skewing the #s. Legalization within 2 years if Ohio passes it. Mark my words and don’t screw this up for us Ohio.

  36. Does anyone by chance have an answer to any of my three questions from before?

    1. Issue three severability – can’t they just add a couple more grower licenses to satisfy the monopoly portion of issue 2?
    2. Will we be allowed to say bowl or bong in a head shop/dispensary?
    3. For those who purchase the home-grow permits – will they have the right to inspect our gardens whenever they want to, or will they be relying on people to tell on you for your fifth plant or ninth ounce?

    [Editor’s note: Issue #2 was created by the legislature, governor and attorney general specifically to thwart the passage of #3. The ruling they received from the also bias secretary of state twists notion of what the word ‘monopoly’ means as the ten license holders (itself not a monopoly) can have numerous other contracted cultivators, likely hundreds.

    With legalization largely comes the end of ‘head shop semantics’. When a product is legal, the word games end.

    Initiatives are not legislation, meaning that they construct a framework whereby after passage legislators and regulators move forward with creating detailed/complicated rules, regulations, penalties, fees, enforcement mechanisms and budgets. These processes are largely open to the public to help influence and shape the rules. The home cultivation enforcement in OH if passage of #3 is to occur is not yet known, because those rules, budgets, etc…are not in place pre-vote.

    In the states with legalization that allow for home cultivation (ie, WA is the only state not to allow home cultivation…but that law will likely be amended in the near future by the state legislature), there is little-to-no active home inspections by law enforcement or tax ‘revenuers’ (however, in those states, state-issued permits to cultivate @ home are not necessary).]

  37. Both purposed ammendments were in the plain dealer this week, in full. I took the time to read through them both. Issue 3 does not seem to allow a monopoly, yes at first there will be 10 major growers, however it seems that if one fails or something it opens opportunity for others to put in for a “contract”. It also seemed like it was saying others are welcome to apply for a license to grow (large scale), I’m not well versed in legal jargon but my point is both were in Plain Dealer I suggest people read the actual amendments before voting. I did and I will be voting yes on 3 no on 2. My husband (an Army veteran)suffers severe PTSD he cannot leave the house on some days. I personally don’t smoke cant stand the smell, but I do see the benefits of it everyday when my husband will go somewhere with me instead of hiding in the house. I don’t know, I just hope everyone takes the time to read the amendments before voting.

  38. If prop 3 passes,I wonder what kind of strains the monopolies will grow and produce? Im guessing the same varieties that Colorado does, like Tangie-Trainwreck, OG this OG that..lucky f—s

    10 years ago you would probably have had to go to Amsterdam for choices like that, or if it doesn’t…perhaps,stale brick weed with Jail and Probation as a side order.

    The choice is a tough one i know…Not!

  39. It is just more trickery by republicans If it goes before a judge in Ohio, cannabis loses. The fact that they still view it as a schedule 1 dru7g tells you the mindset there. It is an herb and the feds still have it scheduled as a drug. Why doesn’t NORML handle that problem. I am from Ohio and they are some of the most ridiculously ignorant people on the planet. Issue 2 is just trickery. And Ohioans eat that like manna from heaven. I will never live there again if they fail to pass this bill.

  40. Yes on 3, no on 2. These are the only votes that make sense unless you want more jail time for someone’s worthless opinion that marijuana is a crime. This law is a bit wack, but not that bad so as not to vote for it.

  41. Yes on 3
    And no on 2
    If you want weed
    In Cleveland too
    Dont be confuuuuused…
    Prohibition is chooooosed…

    I was drivin through Ohio
    Late march of this year
    I drove through the thawin snow
    When I stopped for a beer

    There was just one thing missin
    To relieve the tension of the road
    And through the trees I listened
    Somethin was bout to explode

    “Were all tiiired” sang the hills
    Folks are wiiiired and poppin pills
    But if you smoooooke… On this good joint
    Vote yes on “three” and get straight to the point.

    Ohio, she was built from fields of hemp.
    And if we tax it fir education, were exempt
    But if you voooote on proposition 2,
    Then waste your vote, as I will note, you fucked your shoe!
    (Coulda been made from hemp in America, but go ahead and buy that cheap plastic from China… Mmmmmm… End prohibition…)

    Were all tiiiiiired, sang the hills
    Cuz folks are wiiiiired from poppin pills
    But if you liiiisten to the wind…
    We can have our freedom back agin…
    Fear is just your ordinary sin…

    Be brave Ohio. Vote yes on 3, no on 2!

  42. Being 21 miles from possible Freedom Land Yes on 3 is buying a lot of ad time.
    There were some police on the news crying about how bad it would be but I think they will be happy no longer enforcing treason and mass murder.
    And of course the greatest reason to vote No on 2 Yes on 3 . Did I mention I live 21 miles from Ohio.

  43. No on 2, yes on 3.
    Issue 3 is NOT a monopoly, and I think the only way issue 2 legally should apply to 3 is to take away the sections on the ten INITIAL growers and the tax rates.
    Ten different growers, every one competing against each other is not a monopoly, oligopoly or cartel. Ten different growers competing against each other makes ten competing businesses. When you add in the fact that anyone with the desire and money is allowed to open a product manufacturing business or a store, it becomes clear that issue 3 creates a legal and legitimate industry. Monopoly? Hardly.
    Anyone who says this is a monopoly shouldn’t even be allowed to argue about it because they obviously have no clue what a monopoly is in the first place.
    The voting intentions of any Ohioan this year who wants there freedoms should with no question be no on 2 and yes on 3.

  44. As I examine articles and documents on this-
    the cannabis related initiatives in Ohio-
    I am dumbfounded at some of the talk…

    Previously, there have been at least one, (in other region), initiative that was so poorly constructed was counter-productive.

    It seems like #2 was thrown out simply to confuse the masses.

    (I am certain its placement makes sense to some, but, if one could foretell the fumbling and disarray that this addition would eventually cause-
    would it not have been ~’strategically placed, solely to hamper the efforts?)

  45. Bad press about kids getting cannabis-infused candy on Halloween could cause voters to vote against legalization. I’m hoping there is none of that kind of scaremongering in the news cycle. To the rational thinking educated person all the proper precautions within reason have been implemented. Stuck here in prohibitionist Pennsylvania, I did recently have someone approach me about the whole problem of that and kids surrounding infused foods are the reason that the current legislation in Pennsylvania does NOT allow for their commercial production, but rather that it would be legal only at the patient or caregiver level for the patient or caregiver to make their own consumables for their own requirements.

    That raises the question as to quality and potency control and the cost of the equipment, testing and the education that patients and caregivers will need to make their own cannabis-infused edibles.

    While it may be red meat for the prohibitionists’ base in Pennsylvania or may be in the legislation to get it passed into law, it makes medibles prohibitively expensive and impractical for many an individual patient or caregiver inexperienced in their making. Trial and Error.

    I certainly hope that Kasich will oversee the implementation of cannabis legalization in Ohio. Ohio, the first state in the so-called rust belt to legalize, I hope will be followed by Pennsylvania because the state is hurting for money, and it’d be a damn shame not to mention loss of money to hear that great sucking sound of the citizens of Pennsylvania voting with their feet and spending their cannabis money in Ohio.

    Of course, that puts the Kansas effect on Pennsylvania, where the state desperately needs the cash, yet it’s pointless to sue a neighboring state over legalization such as Oklahoma and Nebraska suing Colorado over it.

    Maybe the average Joe Shmoe Pennsylvanian will pick up a little bit of cannabis for a relative or close friend to bring back, but anything large scale will still be the cartel networks still filling the need and trying to corrupt things in Ohio, which will be crushed as it was in Colorado. Cartels dealing in cannabis will be out of business in Ohio, essentially. So they’re continue to step up cartel activity in states that are still prohibitionist because THEY HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOST INCOME FROM STATES THAT HAVE LEGALIZED.

    Prohibitionists, just give it up! You lost! You lost because all these years you were wrong!

    You’re wrong! Period!

    Legalize Now!

  46. NORML should not have endorsed Issue 3. It should not me “weed at any cost.” We are plagued with monopolistic practices in the USA – utilities, ISPs, cable TV, big pharma, drug stores, etc ad infinitum. The corporatization of the country is a far bigger issue that being able to get a joint legally.

    [Editor’s note: Since you don’t likely receive hundreds of calls/emails a day from your fellow citizens busted on cannabis charges, or receive dozens of letters a week where you correspond with people in jail/prison for cannabis-ony related charges (sometimes for 10-30 years…or worse, LIFE), for you, apparently, who makes money off your ganja use is of primary importance.

    For NORML, and groups like ACLU or LEAP, endorsing #3 in Ohio is primarily about ending cannabis prohibition—ceasing the immorality of the hypocritical public policy and curtailing carnage of otherwise product citizens’ lives the long-failed, and now unpopular pot prohibition policy, has been wreaking havoc upon for far, far too long in OH (and the U.S….but, the federal government is going to keep delaying national reforms until more, and more states compel them to do so by voting to end cannabis prohibition).

    OH voters have a chance to end Reefer Madness this year, and replace with a tax-n-regulate system that is far preferable than for voting to extend cannabis prohibition in the state in hopes that some better, more consumer-friendly initiative in the unknown future is going to emerge out of a failed initiative. Also, OH joining the other four states (and DC) with legalization laws, can only help put more upward political pressure on the federal government and Congress.

    You might not want ‘corporate weed’ (and in OH, with home cultivation as part of legalization, consumers don’t have to interface with corporate cannabis companies), but non-profit organizations like NORML (and ACLU) by necessity work at a higher plane than self-interested individuals.]

  47. Come on Ohio. You have the power to end prohibition in your state. You got your foot in the door with prop 3 on the ballot. Now kick that door open!!! Kick it hard. You can do it!!! We will all be cheering and watching when history is made in Ohio.

  48. @Editor,
    Excellent work responding in this blog!
    For those of you who pretend not to know what the definition of a monopoly is so you can rant on this blog, you are only a few degrees away from someone in your family or community whose child is suffering from epilepsy that doesnt need your selfish, narcissistic regurgitation about Issue #3 not being “perfect.” I smell a rat when someone wants to spread this much confusion with issue #2 at the expense of the sick snd the wrongfully imprisoned. And the rat always gets it in the end.

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